Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

Sup

[Jake from State Farm]

Just iso'd both, lurker or Lord, lurker is the scummier of the 2, plus lurker did something that's kind of a pet peeve of mine.

That said I still need to re-read everything.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd join lurker over lord's if that's what you are asking

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh, until I read everything I have no clue. I've had a busy weekend and this game is on my 0 cares list right now. This week I'll get into things.

[Jake from State Farm]

lurker or Lord, lurker is the scummier of the 2

Care to elaborate as to why?

Gut

[Jake from State Farm]

Post 156, I don't like when people do that
Post 157, looks like busy work
His vote on mhork looks to be stemmed from mhork voting him, no to mention this line

"I have a scum read on this guy. I also think I may have convinced myself for pushing for his lynch."

Seems contrived

[Jake from State Farm]

Vote: strangercoug

[Jake from State Farm]

i will explain later when I get to a pc, but you are correct, it's the first time I have mentioned you.

quick question though, are you typically a careless reader or is this game just unusual for you?

[Jake from State Farm]

I wasnt asking about cases, I was asking about the fact it's obvious you are missing posts from people aka you aren't reading before acting. Is this normal or not?

[Jake from State Farm]

so my suspicion is valid

carry on

[Jake from State Farm]

But you voted someone for something they already corrected themselves on BEFORE you voted them. You also try to twist a harmless comment into something suspicious. Not to mention you were last to confirm despite being on site daily.

I had trouble getting into the game too, I'm still not into it much but my guy says scum, I listen to my gut

[Jake from State Farm]

And your reason for your lurker vote?

[Jake from State Farm]

I definitely color outside the lines

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm caught up enough X, now my wife got her laptop back I can use mine again. And I wish we could talk about that one, so much to say.

From now on, Robert is known to me as bobby, I prefer bobby.

As for Lurker, I actually beleive his claim but that's cause I too have a railroad card, not that it means anything in reality.

I'm good with people joining me on a stranger wagon, I just looked up opportunistic voter in the dictionary and it literally showed stranger's name/avatar

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, can we pass cards to people?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've never played monopoly that long lol, after about 2 hours I say "fuck this game" and get drunk/high

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean where i play hemmers are usually announced but you dont take that risk.

in theory this is how games should be played, but sadly people don't follow that on this site.

why are we talking about this again?

[Jake from State Farm]

Since he was wondering why lurker didn't claim til L-1. I think the main point now is if you were voting lurker and unvoted him who do you suspect now?

Right now, I have everyone as null, with Lurker town because of his claim. I'm going to iso a few people tomorrow and continue from there.

so your read on lurker went from scum to town because of the claim?

[Jake from State Farm]

but when you caught up he was already at L-1 and had claimed VT, you didn't believe that claim? but you believed his claim he has a power card?

[Jake from State Farm]

after he said he has a power card*

[Jake from State Farm]

Did I miss something? How do you know 2 people have 3 cards?

[Jake from State Farm]

Mehdi, why are you asking people what cards they have? Robert why did you claim double voter?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm curious how you established that percentage. Did yo analyze every completed game?

[Jake from State Farm]

but you didn't ask the number, you asked Stranger what card he had.

[Jake from State Farm]

you aren't the alt of Maestro are you?

[Jake from State Farm]

Baby- you know those things you see or hear and for whatever reason they stick with you? That 72% thing is one of those things. I picked 5 or 6 random games and they all had 1 scum in the first 4 votes. It may not always work but I'm keeping that one in my back pocket.

@ stranger - got into the game yet?

[Jake from State Farm]

That's a horrible "leaning" town list, fwiw.

[Jake from State Farm]

And I mean his power can be required to target one person by having a town consensus saying he needs to target player x and then that player won't die unless scum want to sacrifice one of their own.

Did you really just type this?

[Jake from State Farm]

@ baby - why is stranger cough your only genuine town read? Why would mentioning receiving a community chest card a towntell?

[Jake from State Farm]

why not?

[Jake from State Farm]

the fact that there is a resistance to SC, makes me want to keep my vote on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

who says most of the time watcher is town? I do agree with the argument that the cards don't guarantee alignment but to assume that watcher means town isn't a smart assumption

[Jake from State Farm]

who says most of the time watcher is town?

[Jake from State Farm]

Where would I be going?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh shit, I see why you said that.

mod, will you consider finding a different replacement? If not I may request replacement

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk about that

[Jake from State Farm]

oh you know what I confused UN with someone else, nevermind. I'm good

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn, lost my vote cause I got sent to jail.

Lynch SC for me please

[Jake from State Farm]

can we lynch SC already?

[Jake from State Farm]

Back. Will catch up on Jal vs Baby next.

what happened to this?

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone has been, I need to get back into this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

why can't we just keep the wagon on SC? there is nothing wrong with the SC wagon. I don't oppose a mehdi lynch either cause something about his posts rub me the wrong way, but my gut says SC is scum and my gut is usually right

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk if I made a case on SC, but I pointed out things that made me suspicious of him. Hence why it's gut.

Him replacing out is null so it doesn't change it at all

[Jake from State Farm]

Brawl, didn't you say you have been reading? You didn't look into reasons why people were voting for people? Seems you would do that IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

And anyways the SC case is essentially lack of thought and being opportunistic with votes.

Lynch all jackasses IMO

[Jake from State Farm]

202 - I never say I have a scumread on you, that's a quote (or paraphrase of a quote) that I believe you actually said at some point.

[Jake from State Farm]

Whoa whoa whao. STOP THE THREAD. Did anyone else actually read what Lurker wrote in his big posts?

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

PLEASE DO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, LURKER FRIEND

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: lurker

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn I forgot

[Jake from State Farm]

I only skimmed fwiw

[Jake from State Farm]

Mehdi has to be a scum partner IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

Maybe Uber will say crap.

Don't hold your breath

[Jake from State Farm]

Lurker claimed watcher, later slipped and said he claimed tracker. He's caught scum, vote him

[Jake from State Farm]

Putting words into my mouth? I never said anything about you defending anyone. I just said you are obvious partner.

[Jake from State Farm]

Gut

[Jake from State Farm]

Maybe tomorrow, too much work to do when this day phase will be over soon. There was a post early on that looked like role fishing that I want to re-read to see if I didn't read it wrong. If I did my gut read may change. Your early defense of Lurker doesn't help your case any

[Jake from State Farm]

Gut is when I see your posts I cringe, I don't feel they come from town. That's gut

[Jake from State Farm]

I still don't see how the defense is bad beyond it being with someone who's mafia. If you want to quote the defense itself and show me what points seem fake sure, but currently it sounds like arguing that I was wrong to have him as a town read makes me more likely scum with him.

Not sure what you're referring to about role fishing although I think I did discuss reaction fishing near the beginning of the game.

I'm watching football, I'll explain more day 2

[Jake from State Farm]

Über, self votes are null. I take what lurker did as what Sal did in Disney mafia. Lurker slipped, he doesn't even remember the role he fake claimed. And please stfu with the caps. You can type normally

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah but please please everyone unvote.

Nobody better unvote.

[Jake from State Farm]

[Jake from State Farm]

Funny lurker mentions lurking and who shows up...

Lurker, you just need to stfu. I'm not active lurking, I responded to a post directed at me. You are trolling and are starting to annoy me. Can we end this day already?

Q, save the read, lurker admitted to being scum. He botched his claim. Lets do this already

[Jake from State Farm]

No we shouldn't

[Jake from State Farm]

I can't vote, if I could I would.

[Jake from State Farm]

You use your "chance to talk" to falsely accuse me of active lurking? Or to make a lame joke about NS not being in the game? Or all the stupid claims you have made?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah but please please everyone unvote.

Nobody better unvote.

Why the fuck not? You don't want me to be able to give my thoughts before Lurker is lynched?

You had plenty if time to contribute but you chose not to read and participate, nobody owes you any favors, especially when you do post it's rubbish or all caps.

[Jake from State Farm]

Funny lurker mentions lurking and who shows up...

Lurker, you just need to stfu. I'm not active lurking, I responded to a post directed at me. You are trolling and are starting to annoy me. Can we end this day already?

Q, save the read, lurker admitted to being scum. He botched his claim. Lets do this already

UN asked for time, we should give it to him.

No we shouldn't

-sigh-

Jake, please kindly STFU and let me read and explain my thoughts on shit.
That will happen before the end of the weekend, over the next day or two.

The very moment I am finished with that, I'll hammer Lurker myself. Deal?

I will not stfu

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll bet uber's post will be vastly underwhelming.

[Jake from State Farm]

He's had time. He replaced in almost 2 weeks ago...

[Jake from State Farm]

but Jal caught lurker's scum slip so just like I suspected your reads are shit unless Jal is scum bussing lurker for town cred (possible but on day 1 not very likely). Now stop wasting time and vote lurker.

[Jake from State Farm]

but Jal caught lurker's scum slip so just like I suspected your reads are shit unless Jal is scum bussing lurker for town cred (possible but on day 1 not very likely). Now stop wasting time and vote lurker.

If Lurker flips scum, what's Jal's alignment?
If Jal flips scum, what's Lurker's alignment?
If Lurker flips town, what's Jal's alignment?
If Jal flips town, what's Lurker's alignment?

Doesn't matter right now. Lurker should not flip town unless he's game throwing. But for S & Gs, If Lurker flips scum (which he probably will) Jal is near confirmed town and won't change unless he lives til the lynch right before mylo/lylo

[Jake from State Farm]

And we are not lynching the person who caught the scum slip, we are lynching the person who admitted he was scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you purposely game throwing UN? If you are going to game throw please replace out

[Jake from State Farm]

Lurker lynch is the only lynch happening today

[Jake from State Farm]

And we are not lynching the person who caught the scum slip, we are lynching the person who admitted he was scum

Lmao you put too much faith in your supposed "scum slips"

We are lynching Jal and that's all there is to it.




I take back what I said earlier about you being scum, because you'd have to be the dumbest motherfucker alive to play as scum in this way.
Lord Mhork is still a definite possibility though

You said I was scum by the middle of page 6, but I hadn't even posted in the game yet. Now you say I'm too stupid to play this way as scum because I want to lynch the person who botched their fake claim? Get a clue and vote lurker. Jal isn't happening today

[Jake from State Farm]

ITT: UN proves he's a moron and should have listened to me when I said lurker admitted he was scum

[Jake from State Farm]

why do you think the throat slit is mafia? in my experiences of playing mafia, SK usually has a non gun weapon most usually a knife and mafia has a gun. Regardless I doubt either was a vig target.

I also had a weird thought, Could community chest cards go to town and chance cards go to scum?

3 people received community chest cards that I can tell - Robert, Mogadishu, and myself

2 people received chance cards that I can tell - Lurker & Cheer Dog (aka SC)

lurker was scum and I was suspicious of that Cheer Dog/SC slot yesterday. The fact lurker flipped scum, that vote by SC early on looked like a bus vote.

anyway it's just an idea

today regardless of the cards i'd be interested in lynching Mehdi or Cheer, although Jal not being on lurker's wagon does give me pause, especially since UN died and he was convinced Jal was scum. typically when I get killed N1, it is because I am right about at least 1 scum.

meh, anyway just thinking out loud. I will wait for others.

[Jake from State Farm]

Like I said it was just a thought about the cards.

I played with UN in Disney mafia and he helped town lose. Bunch of town trolling let a scum miller claim win. It's the most nauseating thing especially since I called the scum out day 1.

[Jake from State Farm]

if spice was a mafia kill, than AI and Xis need to be looked at imo.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think it's a minor reason at all. Neither of those 2 were strong town reads for me so why not look over their iso's for connections.

[Jake from State Farm]

I did that intentionally since I don't see how jake is getting as a scum tell for them two most (jal commented on it before too).

Having been NKd 2 times day 1, and nk attenpted a 3rd in the short time I've used this account, and at least 2 were due to my day 1 reads (the 3rd being ongoing but pretty sure it still applies) I'm more confident in that tell than some others. When you add in that I don't have town reads on either of them and I felt X was trying to buddy me a little on day 1, my suspicion of them is justified.

Like look at AIs last post about flavor, he made a similar post in Disney mafia and iirc, he was scum. It's not a scumtell per se, but it's something I'm keeping an eye on.

[Jake from State Farm]

Umbrage

Because my gut said SC was scum

[Jake from State Farm]

1. A crucial point in the game ? Not hardly. I voted who I felt was the scummiest, I wasn't sold on the lurker wagon.
2. I didn't read his entire post, i already said that once. I saw him say something about me that wasn't true and called him out on it. I didn't read past that line.

[Jake from State Farm]

@X - I'm not voting cause I'm conflicted ATM. The person I want to vote I'm not sure is scum anymore. Im biding time until I can get time to re-read. Crackdown at work means no pc time during the day.

[Jake from State Farm]

Correction, I was specifically asked my thoughts of mhork v lurker by mehndi and said if I had to pick one it would be lurker. Get your facts straight

[Jake from State Farm]

The point about noticing the scum slip, its Probably because nobody fully read that wall of text.

[Jake from State Farm]

Cheer - what are your thoughts in Jal?

[Jake from State Farm]

i will explain later when I get to a pc, but you are correct, it's the first time I have mentioned you.

quick question though, are you typically a careless reader or is this game just unusual for you?

I wasnt asking about cases, I was asking about the fact it's obvious you are missing posts from people aka you aren't reading before acting. Is this normal or not?

so my suspicion is valid

carry on

But you voted someone for something they already corrected themselves on BEFORE you voted them. You also try to twist a harmless comment into something suspicious. Not to mention you were last to confirm despite being on site daily.

I had trouble getting into the game too, I'm still not into it much but my guy says scum, I listen to my gut

[Jake from State Farm]

^ gut based off those observations. Not to mention the hop on lurker for nothing more than sheeping which at the time felt like opportunism but now looks like bussing.

[Jake from State Farm]

And I had not read the game fully at that point and wasn't putting anyone at l-1. If I wasn't asked by mehndi I probably wouldn't have had an opinion on either at that time.

But SC's l-1 for no reason but sheeping definitely was odd, especially since it came right after I voted him. Bus makes sense because I could easily be accused of starting a counter.

I will say i too have some info but not sure what to do with it. Hopefully some discussion will help me figure it out if the info I have is helpful or not.


P.edit - huh?

[Jake from State Farm]

Early on I had mhork town and probably still is unless that was an elaborate buss of some sort. Keep in mind when I re-read this could change. When I have time to re-read I can usually pick up on interactions

[Jake from State Farm]

You bring up a good point about lurker being angry, which posts were those again? I want to read those first

[Jake from State Farm]

That's why I don't think either kill was a vig, a smart vig either A. Not used it n1 or B. shoot a lurker.

Ill read that post when I'm eating. I'd be ok with a number lynch just because I despise lurking/inactive players. If he's town he needs to replace out ASAP.

[Jake from State Farm]

But if we are thinking lurker is mad he got bussed, that puts you right at the top of that list. What would piss a person more than his buddy pointing out his scum slip. Or maybe it's Jones, who tried to point it out later like he didn't even realize you had done it.

[Jake from State Farm]

That's right he could be wifoming, he could not

I'm not suspicious of you yet, with his flip you get a day or 2 of reprieve, I'm just saying if we assume he's mad at a partner, you make the list (regardless if you actually voted him or not).

I'm not going off that assumption, you were the one who brought it up.

[Jake from State Farm]

but lurker makes reference to the fact that he hates you (ok well he says "maybe I just hate you" ) so he is definitely angry at you, just cause you weren't on his wagon doesn't exclude you imo. Obviously you are going to disagree with me.

[Jake from State Farm]

List of Games numberQ has replaced out of:

• Micro 24
  
• Mafiastuck
  
• newbie 1156
  
• Worst Roles
  
• Artemis Fowl Large
  
• Futurama
  
• Tit for tat

So 7 replace outs for a total of I believe 13 games. I think him being inactive isn't alignment related.

But aren't you voting him for being inactive?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh missed that post somehow.

[Jake from State Farm]

Surely there's plenty to discuss.

Who replaced Robert? That's where I want to vote for now. During my re-read I picked up an odd vibe from him

[Jake from State Farm]

I was on my phone and being lazy.

181 was definitely one of the posts.

vote: safety

[Jake from State Farm]

They are, thanks. You mentioned you'd join lurkers wagon but you never did. I'm not ignoring that mention from any pre-scumslip wagon analysis.

this really isn't true. I was asked specifically about 2 wagons and nothing else, I was basically saying if I had to choose between the 2 I would join lurker's wagon over Lord's. Turns out I misinterpreted the question I was asked (or it wasn't clearly worded)

[Jake from State Farm]

forgot to mention when I made that comment I had not even read the game thread, I just skimmed over 2 people's isos.

[Jake from State Farm]

Distancing

[Jake from State Farm]

Your version of this is?

I didn't see anything.I didn't see anything.

Got with waterworks on UberNinja?

The other utility is also a tracker, I used it on UberNinja.

Really? You tracked UN?

[Jake from State Farm]

And I had not read the game fully at that point and wasn't putting anyone at l-1. If I wasn't asked by mehndi I probably wouldn't have had an opinion on either at that time.

But SC's l-1 for no reason but sheeping definitely was odd, especially since it came right after I voted him. Bus makes sense because I could easily be accused of starting a counter.

I will say i too have some info but not sure what to do with it. Hopefully some discussion will help me figure it out if the info I have is helpful or not.

P.edit - huh?

Can we have that info now?

Hang tight

P. edit cool, you tracked UN and didn't visit anyone ekse right?

[Jake from State Farm]

*else

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not buying you can use 2 actions in 1 night

[Jake from State Farm]

mod:, if a player has 2 cards with actions, can they use both in 1 night?

I've never in my life seen this happen. Usually it's 1 or the other

[Jake from State Farm]

mod:, if a player has 2 cards with actions, can they use both in 1 night?

~Yes. Multiple card actions may be used during the night~

Obama! :shakes fist:

[Jake from State Farm]

Is anyone ekse bothered that cheery tracked UN and UN is dead?

And while I don't think cheer has to say what his other power is ATM, saying who he visited wouldn't hurt.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ safety - 2 questions

Did you got your night action PM before the day started?

also question regarding your report, you claim your action said you didn't "see anything" but that is completely different than "no result" or "didn't go anywhere" don't you think?

I am also curious how you got your extra card at night, but Xis claimed to get an extra card during the start of the day. It doesn't add up personally.

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess that's technically 3 questions

[Jake from State Farm]

I meant did you get your result before the day started

[Jake from State Farm]

Scum can block a set of cards when cards are random and they could end up just blocking themselves?

What makes you think this is true?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh nvm I was confused.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am also curious how you got your extra card at night,

but Xis claimed to get an extra card during the start of the day.

It doesn't add up personally.

that wasn't you? hmm, who was the one who claimed to get the card to start the day, could have sworn it was you

[Jake from State Farm]

checking in from my phone, 1 quick question and I will post more later.

monkey, your top 2 scum reads are people you barely mentioned in your huge WOC (wall of crap) why is that? If they are your 2 top scum reads I'd suspect you would mention them the most.

[Jake from State Farm]

But usually you should summarize why you reached your conclusions for your scum reads. From what I can tell you think brawl is scum for defending lurker and I'm scum for being antagonistic to mehndi (who wasn't and isn't obv town)

Also if defending lurker is so bad, shouldn't mehndi be top of your list since he defended lurker a ton?

[Jake from State Farm]

And lol at thinking being antagonistic is scummy anyway. If you think that maybe you should stick to checkers

[Jake from State Farm]

It's not the antagonistic part that is so scummy. It's that you played completely different in the first half of the day and the second half of the day. Mehndi provided a lot more analysis and content than you did, and you also attacked SC, who ended up being right about Lurker. So I look at multiple things when making my reads.

Explain how I've played differently

[Jake from State Farm]

the problem I have with all of this is the fact that Safety claimed he got his tracker ability from the card he got from lurker, lurker already claimed it was a watcher and later switched and said it was a tracker, the fact that now SD is claiming he got that same card and in deed it has a tracker ability, I am not buying it for a second.

I believe CD that he visited jal, I find it hard to believe a mod would let a person perform 2 actions but I have to assume he's telling the truth about visiting CD. 2 tracker claims plus my role doesn't make sense as all being town sided so if I had to guess I'd say SD is scum over CD

the only problem I have is I don't trust mehndi one bit, so I am down with lynching him, but if he flips town I think it pretty much confirms SD as scum.

SO i'd rather lynch SD first because I don't buy 2 tracker claims but if I can't get an SD lynch, I will gladly take a mehndi lynch.

As for Monkey, I have no clue what to make of him, my gut wants to say he is scum but I will give him a chance to see if he can communicate his reads better and also see how he explains the question I asked him.

p.edit - this mock lynch is the stupidest thing I ever heard

[Jake from State Farm]

telling the truth about visiting UN*

[Jake from State Farm]

that's just it, he fake claimed watcher and later claimed it to be tracker so that means that he never had either ability, aka it's fake aka you don't have the tracker ability imo

what are you referring to about your role PM that CD backed up, I don't recall seeing this, can you link me to what you are talking about.

and as for the fact that you came out with your info meaning it's only town motivated, that may work for someone naive to automatically assume that but I have seen scum volunteer info like that before. Look at what happend, everyone has claimed. In fact you were the one asking people to reveal their info aka role fishing.

I am also not going to assume that both water works and electric company are both the same ability nor am I going to assume that they both are town roles. I absolutely don't believe anything associated with the electric company since lurker obviously lied about what ability it has.

[Jake from State Farm]

and you know what I mean when I say watcher or tracker, of course I mean the power associated with the card, stop being a dolt

[Jake from State Farm]

actually let me do this

request replacement

I'm having surgery tomorrow and from what everyone has told me I will be in a world of pain for at least a week, I definitely won't be interested in playing mafia.

sorry everyone

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, if allowed I would still like to spectate once I return.

[Jake from State Farm]

May take a few days to read everything, anything I need to know before I re-read?

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote: safety

But I have a question for safety, if you saw cd visit Jal, why didn't you react weirdly when he claimed to track UN?

[Jake from State Farm]

Surgery went well, still going to be in pain but I can't stop coming to the site, I'm addicted lol

[Jake from State Farm]

Jal was killed?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes the thought crossed my mind but now I'm not sure. Why would he claim out of the blue he tracked him, he was under no pressure

[Jake from State Farm]

And scum would do that because?

[Jake from State Farm]

And again, he wasn't under pressure

[Jake from State Farm]

But given the 2 purples are watcher cards, it's possible that the 2 utility cards have the same ability.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, prod on xis please

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, are cards redistributed at night or to start the day or can it be both?

[Jake from State Farm]

If people would read between the lines it's quite obvious who has Baltic.

Btw, I think Jal is our SK and he probably killed un.

[Jake from State Farm]

Guile, why in your mind does SC and I have to be different alliance? I don't think you ever explained your reasoning behind this

[Jake from State Farm]

You know for a fact SC is town? That's an interesting development

[Jake from State Farm]

Besides I did essentially explain my suspicious, just not all in 1 post

[Jake from State Farm]

How did I misrep you? You said he's town did u not?

Gut reads are never satisfactory to anyone, but they are what I rely on

[Jake from State Farm]

And I didn't have to go through meta, SC admitted himself he's normally not careless.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's not the antagonistic part that is so scummy. It's that you played completely different in the first half of the day and the second half of the day. Mehndi provided a lot more analysis and content than you did, and you also attacked SC, who ended up being right about Lurker. So I look at multiple things when making my reads.

Explain how I've played differently

Still waiting

[Jake from State Farm]

The thing is your flip on him makes no sense. You had him as scummy and your reason why he became town is sort of weak. Someone, maybe you claimed SC became town because sc was right about lurker but that wasn't true either.

The only pause I have is cd visited Jal and didn't die. This is factual info
But it doesn't make him town. Sadly nobody is confirmed town. I'm betting there is atleast 1 scum in these PR claims.

[Jake from State Farm]

As for the "typical" thing with this site. If you think a player is town for whatever reason, you say you think. If you say a player is town that means you know. As long as this appears on the wiki as a scumtell, it's going to always be brought up.

In the future say you think when it's your opinion, say you know or that they are when it's role related or a scum slip.

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah that's one way to explain it, or you felt like you didn't want to interrupt your wave of town cred and offed him cause regardless he would have been coming after you. The funny thing is how you started the day thinking UN was the vig kill and now you just happen to have the vig card today.

from what I can tell of Baby's ISO, she never mentioned UN nor did she mention Nobody

UN thought baby was town, so UN definitely didn't kill baby.


so that brings me back to you killing UN as a definite possibility, hell I would not even blame you if you killed UN, he definitely deserved it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I just finished a game where mafia claimed vig, and someone commented post game that it happens very often and they were going to start policy lynching people who claimed vig (granted it was a 1 shot vig claim) but to think scum especially an SK wouldn't claim a vig is just plain naive.

[Jake from State Farm]

well that's a naive way to think.

so if Jal isn't the SK/Vig than you have to believe that UN killed baby or baby killed Un, neither make any sense.

not to mention Jal said he thought UN was the vig kill and now he is saying that UN made the vig kill. that doesn't make any sense either

I said I would not vote Jal day 2 and I am a man of my words, but I definitely suspect him more today after this whole vig claim came out.

[Jake from State Farm]

caring about how the deaths occurred is also called speculating on night kills, which is often frowned upon on this site (or it was when I originally started playing a few years ago) this was known as a scum slip.

[Jake from State Farm]

but ok you think it's a town tell, but yo don't find it odd that he first thinks UN was the vig kill and now he thinks UN was the vig?

[Jake from State Farm]

that sounds like a BS claim to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Read this thread about night kill analysis and come back here, champ: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23794. The only game I didn't do it and suggested people not to do it was in 90s Cartoon Large Theme game where I was scum (and funnily enough, I wanted to look pro-town by getting people to shut-up).

The night kills are weird as people thought they both may have been scum towards the end of the day and people wanted to vote for them. The kills aren't terribly obvious - why

wouldn't

you want to look at them anyway? Scum don't usually make random ass kills most of the time - especially when they're one man down.

When I made my first post of the day, it was actually before I got my card. About a minute before to be exact. I would have still have said the same thing about the vig stuff, I think because a Baby Spice scum kill is weird. Also, not really being sure if cards recirculated I think. It really does point to Medhi if so, but now I'm really not sure about the kill flavor of my card anymore I thought it mentioned it. What peaked by interest about Uber maybe being the vig was Cheery saying Uber didn't go anywhere which I thought was weird and refer back to the weird Baby Spice scum kill bit.

My power is from a singular card, which could very well mean there may be another person with a vig card who shot instead if it holds true about powers being the same if not similar from the same deck.

This all doesnt matter anyway. I'm not the Sk and I'm not going to be lynched today. I'll be back later after commuting home from class.

but like I pointed out earlier, I have never seen a knife kill being mafia (unless it's 2 mafia groups) or a vig. Knife kill has almost always been SK. You immediately assumed that UN was the vig kill which I will give you but the knife flavor makes me think it's a SK. The fact that now you think that baby could be the vig kill makes no sense at all. Baby imo was the definite mafia kill and UN was killed by (in my opinion) the SK. I don't think we have a vig. If we have a vig they are fucking retarded because neither of those kills make sense from a vig perspective. If you are vig trying to kill who you think is a scum partner, that would have been mehndi or myself. If you are unsure you kill a lurker like Number or AI.

Here are the people Baby thought were scum in post 398

Jal, MonkeyMan (Agent I), and Xis

later in the day she votes mehndi

so we have Jal (not mafia imo) Monkey, Xis, and Mehndi

Mehndi imo is an obvious buddy of lurker, Monkey is the one who tried to say I was being antagonistic to mehndi who was obv town (ROTFFL - that's roll on the fucking floor laughing) and XIS

not to mention AI was the first to hop off lurker the moment he claimed watcher AND AI said something similar to what he said in Disney mafia, when he was scum.

Mehndi or Monkey are the best lynches imo, I could go for an Xis lynch as well just because I don't know what the fuck to make of him and he has posted a lot of busy work posts (which is actually how I typically get caught as scum)

gut says mehndi & monkey could actually both be scum, and Jal = SK (just cause you say you aren't doesn't mean I actually believe you)

Vote: mehndi

[Jake from State Farm]

baby makes more sense as the mafia kill than UN, the only other person I would say makes more sense is Jal, but no mafia worth their ass would taget him night 1 after what he did.

[Jake from State Farm]

un makes less sense because he came off looking like a baffoon and in my experience he isn't a very sound player.

[Jake from State Farm]

why don't you like a Mehndi lynch Jal?

[Jake from State Farm]

Because I am unsure, you know, like I already explained.

Jake, this is what I don't get. You try to paint me as scummy for looking at the night kills, yet you look at the night kills yourself and try to attribute the Uber kill to me based on his death and what he said prior. That does not logically work out. How did you go from Cheery being scum, to Safety being the one lying between Cheery and him and between Safety and Medhi, to now thinking Medhi is scum?

what you did was look at kills and try to figure out which is the scum kill and which is the vig/sk kill which imo is impossible to know. What I did is look at why each person may have been killed. What I did was look at who they suspected and try to find scum that way, Like I said before (pretty sure I have this game) I have been killed twice on night 1 and attempted to be killed in a 3rd game over the past couple of months and each game I was right about scum going into the night so looking at who each person suspected is absolutely acceptable.

[Jake from State Farm]

That's very selective standards.

Was that at me?

Not really

His method is using random guessing

Mine is at least attempting to narrow it down using game related info.

[Jake from State Farm]

And what are you using to base that off of?

[Jake from State Farm]

But with mafia down 1 man, they want to take out a threat to them right away, a UN mafia kill means who is scum ?

[Jake from State Farm]

And I too have personal experience and as scum I'd want UN in the game as long as possible as he will most likely help town lose aka Disney mafia.

[Jake from State Farm]

scummy noms? from what I can tell he has only been nominated once and that was in 2012 and it was for playing good as scum. 2011, 2010, and 2009 he never received a single award or nomination for his amazing town play.

and you have to agree a 2 man SK in a 30P game is completely different strategy than a 1 man SK in a 13P game right? did you even look at the link Jal posted earlier? It basically supports my line of thinking over yours. This is a quote from mastin in that post

The scum got away with killing the people largest suspicious of them, and it was completely ignored by everyone except for me, because of "NK wifom!"

trust me, looking at who got killed and who they suspected is a much better method than what Jal did and what you are doing. If mafia had all 3 people, than a reputation kill would make sense but to sit there and imply UN has this amazing reputation and multiple scummy noms, when it just isn't true is laughable.

[Jake from State Farm]

Looks like monkey got a little too excited

vote: monkey

[Jake from State Farm]

That's l-1 btw.

[Jake from State Farm]

dude has ignored my questions and has showed up and put what he thought was an L-1 vote while speaking nonsense, I don't care if you like my vote, he's basically slipped imo

[Jake from State Farm]

and Baby was under no real suspicion day 1, she never had more than 2 votes on her at any given vote count.

[Jake from State Farm]

but you had time to read everything else and know all about what mehndi has posted and deserves to be voted? yeah no that doesn't work anymore.

I don';t need you to answer my questions now, you done slipped and my vote stays on you. this homeboy needs rope.

[Jake from State Farm]

that vote looked worse than SC's day 1 vote. it reaks of opportunisim

[Jake from State Farm]

so you just happen to show up out of the blue and put mehndi at L-1 and that's not opportunistic? ROFL

[Jake from State Farm]

And lack of comment on it or response to my posts towards you both before and after the vote whenever you suspect me are fine things?

I don't understand what you are saying/asking.

[Jake from State Farm]

People like to follow roles blindly without scumhunting or using any logic.

(see: policy lynching millers)

Policy lynching millers is one of the best policies ever

[Jake from State Farm]

But 505 is not yours. and it was on day 1. Prior to you saying "as of 505" you had not Reported any card for the day, hence your answer makes no sense.

505 was the person he replaced I believe

[Jake from State Farm]

@ Mehndi - Why did you think UN would be alive if you think his reputation makes him a more likely night kill target? You said yourself if you were scum you would kill UN, so why not use that and protect him over TBG?

[Jake from State Farm]

so who claimed to get their new card during the night besides Monkey?

[Jake from State Farm]

But mehndi, you said if you were scum you'd kill him, that means he's the biggest threat to scum based on his history. That alone would dictate you would protect him over anyone ekse IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

Maybe I misread, I'll try to find it later

[Jake from State Farm]

If you are scum there's plenty reason to lie

[Jake from State Farm]

Does everyone fail at reading comprehension? If you don't know what card I have by now than you clearly aren't reading.

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw, people need to stop making lists of reads. Lists are the worst thing you can do as town IMO

[Jake from State Farm]

I can see why xis is suspicious, but your out of the blue vote on mehndi while ignoring earlier questions deserves rope. There is no excuse for that as town. You kind of fucked yourself if you are actually town monkey.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's also good way for scum to know who to keep alive, it's also something scum can do to make them look pro-town cause people for some reason think people who do those lists are usually town. It's busy work and doesn't help anyone but scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

I won't participate in a mock lynch.

[Jake from State Farm]

You should shoot who you think is scum or who's a detriment to town. You definitely sound like a SK to me now.

Go ahead and shoot me, just be ok with ridicule post game for your inability to grow a pair.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am not voting you cause nobody else will, so it's pointless. I mean yeah I could easily change my vote to you but that won't accomplish anything.

@ Teh - I'm against it because it's stupid. here is the thing, a SK (or scum for that matter) pretending to be a vig wants to make sure they shoot the "right person" so they don't get flack for shooting wrong. Where as a real vig will trust their own judgement and choose based off their own reads and what other people they think are town would want. If they don't feel like they can still choose the right person, THEY DON'T FUCKING SHOOT ANYONE.

[Jake from State Farm]

and Jal, if you turn out to not be scum or SK, I will gladly take any ridicule you or anyone else wants to direct my way because 1. this is just the ineterwebz and I will still be able to sleep at night and 2. a real vig would use their own scum hunting to decide and not say "well anyone who disagrees with me is added to the list of potential shooting victims" like you basically did. That's the most absurd thing ever.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ Jal - you realize it's possible for people to communicate ego they think is scum without actually doing a huge list right?

People dont need to give reads on every person to communicate who they think are the 2/3 most likely to be scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Replace ego with who. Wtf my phone

[Jake from State Farm]

Here I'll make it easy for you.

People ill only lynch today: monkey

People you can kill : xis(if monkey flips town) mehndi, mhork, or guile

[Jake from State Farm]

Monkey's slipped
Mehndi I don't trust
You and mhork are essentially useless and impossible to read, I see an xis/lurker relationship

[Jake from State Farm]

I've already explained that. Read the damn thread

[Jake from State Farm]

Last I checked you are the largest wagon and that can't all be scum motivated can it?

I'm not trying to cover my ass, go ahead and lynch me if you think you can pull it off. I'll flip town. I have no fear of death, I'm the best kind of town cause I speak my mind and have no fear. Bring it on

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't need to defend myself

[Jake from State Farm]

but you claimed I was defending myself poorly when I didn't even need to

forget about the hop on mehndi at the last minute, what about the fact that you have been unable to explain why you thought Teh and myself were your original scum reads? What about the fact that you haven't mentioned neither of us since mehndi has grown suspicious? What about the fact that I have asked you now 4 times to explain how I "played differently" and you say you don't have time? how about you stop posting until you find time to do that?

yeah, you are scum and you need to hang. You had a town read on mehndi until more and more votes got on him, that's suspicious.

You committed the ultimate scumtell by coming into this game with pre-established reads (even though you claim you didn')

if you didn't have pre-established reads you would have already explained your reasonings why Teh and myself were your top scum reads. When asked all you could say about me is "I was playing differently" which certainly isn't a reason to vote someone.

hang now please.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ Monkey

Explain how brawl was your top scumread yet you haven't mentioned him nearly all game?

Explain how you refusing to answer a simple question is acceptable from a town perspective?

Please explain why you were originally suspicious of myself and brawl, with links to posts and quotes.

Please explain how your town read on mehndi changed with links to posts and quotes.

You did have Pre-established reads, cause if you didn't you would have certainly communicated more towards the 2 people you were suspicious of, instead you essentially ignored both of us.

[Jake from State Farm]

Guile if you are town your play this far is not up to par, I don't care if you vote me but please read the damn thread. The questions I'm asking monkey are perfectly legitimate yet he can't answer then.

Ask yourself why would he refuse to answer a question about his accusation of me 4 times. 4 times I've asked or reminded him about his accusation about how my play changed, yet nothing.

Ask yourself how a person who lists brawl as his top scum read can go almost a week without asking brawl a single question.

[Jake from State Farm]

He hadn't even asked me any questions until now. He was voting me but wasn't trying to get anyone to vote with him. Why as town would he do that?

Did he even answer why he's suspicious of mehndi? I don't recall seeing it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't care about myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

How so? If I'm lynched or killed I can't stop it. You are l-1 yet you can't even defend your own actions.

All I can do is post info for people too look at, which I've done. If you are town and you get lynched, your iso wont help anyone. Mine will

[Jake from State Farm]

You haven't explained any of your reads, and your explanation for not answering a simple question is that you've been busy, yet you still post with no issues. I've been busy too, I'm only awake a few hours at a time yet I can manage to content.

And lol at me being desperate. I'm not nor will I ever be desperate. I'll go over your iso later to see if you have even explained why your read on mehndi changed.

Maybe you can work on explaining why you were originally suspicious of brawl and myself. If not for me, for the benefit of the rest of town. You have to save your ass right now, you aren't doing a good job at it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Monkey, you also ignored jal's question about mehndi's defense unraveling.

You say nothing between your FOS of mehndi til putting him at l-1 for no real reason.

Please explain this unraveling defense

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, cause I've done nothing but spread lies about you