Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jal]

Keep up in reading the thread there champ, Safety. While you're at it, explain to me two scum (aka rest of scum team) claiming vigs.

Btw, people need to stop making lists of reads. Lists are the worst thing you can do as town IMO

There are people who don't actually want to share anything. Have you read anything of what Jake has said today at all?

A bunch of people are scummy as shit in this thread. You're doing what Uber deemed my "scum tell." Making a question out that makes the person look scummy. It's not a statement, so you aren't held as responsible for it, but it adds fuel to the fire and it's a shitty ass way to play if you're town.

If you're going to make the worst logical conclusions guys (CAN'T DO READS, THERE ARE TWO VIGS AND A SK, Y SHULD TOWN USE UP THEIR DAY?!) then look townie elsewhere, please. Jesus. I fucking have no town reads on any of you shitters because everyone is being anti-town and I am pretty sure I am being buddied by at least one scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Tonally Town, content post-early D1 is Town,

1-shot Doc claim is Town

. Tracker result is weird, but I'm chalking it up to a roleblocker.

Ya rly?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4348301

I don't have any context for that, though. Under what circumstances did he claim, and so on?

You're being purposely dense. You don't need any context, you just need to know that it was a recent game where an x-shot doc was claimed and it was by scum....and that town got off wagon after the claim.

Do you not understand how vastly different they are?

One is (if I understand correctly) someone claiming X-shot Doc as thier role under lynch pressure.

The other is someone claiming an already used 1-shot Doc as a gained ability under absolutely no pressure.

Context is

huge.

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I can't see why everyone seems to be comfortable letting Mehdi off and into the night so easily at the expense of Monkey. I can't see how his play is so scummy it outweighs Mehdi making a claim that contradicts what I saw at night.

I'd rather know one way or the other if he is town, then guessing at someone else. The cons for letting a potential scum go into the night are too big imo.

I don't understand why you want to blindly trust role info (which we have mod confimation may have been fucked with) instead of lynching off of scumhunting.

[guille2015]

At the moment I'd say cross-kill each other, vig claims are always dodgy.

And then risk both vigs cards possibly fall into scum hands? or for more people to end up claiming receiving said cards only to do the same tomorrow night?

UNVOTE:

What says the cards aren't already in scum hands?

My (and almost everyone else's) town read of Jal does - though it is quite possible Monkey's is in scum hands currently, as such he is currently most likely to be lynched.

If they are both town, they will definitely kill each other and then we have the potential of falling on scum hands. If they are both scum, they will choose not too.

For our current situation. Jal is universally considered town. Everyone seems to want monkey dead, and we don't know where his cards are going to go. So, a cross-kill is impossible.

If we go with the mock Lynch, both vigs should target the same player. Then we avoid Wifom and roleblockers.

I'm fine with or without the mock kill, but it is clear to me that the owner of Boardwalk and park place (If any of the current owners die) should claim it first thing in the morning and state their target.

[guille2015]

Assuming that the expensive properties actually do give vig powers (this I consider true) I still think that most likely neither vig shot, the SK killed UN and mafia (or only very slightly possibly, a vig) killed Baby Spice.

My problem with the night actions is that I cannot conceive why scum would kill Baby. Did they think she had scum nailed? But it does seem like that was the case.

...

Actually, thinking about it now, and it sorta makes sense. She was probably killed to reduce the chance of being watched. If watched or tracked, they'd claim that they vigged her and people would have accepted that. That is the only explanation I can think off.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ Jal - you realize it's possible for people to communicate ego they think is scum without actually doing a huge list right?

People dont need to give reads on every person to communicate who they think are the 2/3 most likely to be scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Replace ego with who. Wtf my phone

[Jake from State Farm]

Here I'll make it easy for you.

People ill only lynch today: monkey

People you can kill : xis(if monkey flips town) mehndi, mhork, or guile

[guille2015]

Here I'll make it easy for you.

People ill only lynch today: monkey

People you can kill : xis(if monkey flips town) mehndi, mhork, or guile

Can you give your reasons for this?

[Jake from State Farm]

Monkey's slipped
Mehndi I don't trust
You and mhork are essentially useless and impossible to read, I see an xis/lurker relationship

[guille2015]

Sorry, but where did monkey slip?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've already explained that. Read the damn thread

[MonkeyMan576]

Jake is being boneheaded. Having only one possible lynch limits the town and is scummy. If he's not willing to lynch who the town actually wants to lynch just ignore him.

And I never slipped. Jake just knows I suspected him before, is probably scum, and wants to save his own butt.

[Jake from State Farm]

Last I checked you are the largest wagon and that can't all be scum motivated can it?

I'm not trying to cover my ass, go ahead and lynch me if you think you can pull it off. I'll flip town. I have no fear of death, I'm the best kind of town cause I speak my mind and have no fear. Bring it on

[MonkeyMan576]

"I'll flip town. I'm the best kind of town." What a great defence.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't need to defend myself

[MonkeyMan576]

Not yet. The only reason I'm not voting you is because Xis and Mehndi are scummier.

[Jake from State Farm]

but you claimed I was defending myself poorly when I didn't even need to

forget about the hop on mehndi at the last minute, what about the fact that you have been unable to explain why you thought Teh and myself were your original scum reads? What about the fact that you haven't mentioned neither of us since mehndi has grown suspicious? What about the fact that I have asked you now 4 times to explain how I "played differently" and you say you don't have time? how about you stop posting until you find time to do that?

yeah, you are scum and you need to hang. You had a town read on mehndi until more and more votes got on him, that's suspicious.

You committed the ultimate scumtell by coming into this game with pre-established reads (even though you claim you didn')

if you didn't have pre-established reads you would have already explained your reasonings why Teh and myself were your top scum reads. When asked all you could say about me is "I was playing differently" which certainly isn't a reason to vote someone.

hang now please.

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't have any pre-established reads. That's obvious because my reads have changed.

You said my scumtell before was a scumslip. Now you're backtracking and saying I had pre-established reads, which I didn't.

Someone investigate Jake, please.

[guille2015]

MOD: I will be VLA until Tuesday.

[guille2015]

Vote Jake

[Jake from State Farm]

@ Monkey

Explain how brawl was your top scumread yet you haven't mentioned him nearly all game?

Explain how you refusing to answer a simple question is acceptable from a town perspective?

Please explain why you were originally suspicious of myself and brawl, with links to posts and quotes.

Please explain how your town read on mehndi changed with links to posts and quotes.

You did have Pre-established reads, cause if you didn't you would have certainly communicated more towards the 2 people you were suspicious of, instead you essentially ignored both of us.

[Jake from State Farm]

Guile if you are town your play this far is not up to par, I don't care if you vote me but please read the damn thread. The questions I'm asking monkey are perfectly legitimate yet he can't answer then.

Ask yourself why would he refuse to answer a question about his accusation of me 4 times. 4 times I've asked or reminded him about his accusation about how my play changed, yet nothing.

Ask yourself how a person who lists brawl as his top scum read can go almost a week without asking brawl a single question.

[Jake from State Farm]

He hadn't even asked me any questions until now. He was voting me but wasn't trying to get anyone to vote with him. Why as town would he do that?

Did he even answer why he's suspicious of mehndi? I don't recall seeing it.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't play the manipulation game. If people don't want to or don't want to vote with me it's their business.

That's town play.

You're not helping yourself at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't care about myself.