Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)
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mafia talk time? they can do that? I thought you could only do that during a night thing. and go where mollie? hasn't the game just started? as for being on the sight, I'm always on the sight or at least I always have the sight on tab on my computer even if i'm sleeping. that way its easy access to follow my games and see who post what and I can be updated faster and respond quicker.-
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@adam, I appreciate that. =)
and I agree with adam, I did not feel like Mala was being sarcastic towards me in voting me for not confirming when I should of. she felt like it was something scum would do possibly from her experience in playing the game. though, I will say it was an innocent misunderstanding on her part, because I know my reason for acting the way I did and stated it for y'all to see.-
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how are we out of the RVS stage? I have no idea who I want to lynch yet. but I will state what I believe from what we have.
Mala seems an adamant experienced scumhunter.
Adam seems to be innocent
Prohawk intimidates me but I have nothing
Shrimp just seems to be plain wrong about stuff
mollie seems to just jump on someone elses decision.
leviathan I state I am plain white townie.
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I'm not saying being in The RVS stage is good. on the contrary its not the place to be, but I still don't believe I have received much yet other then just jumping on a wagon and I really hate being wrong. and I have never claimed before so I want to see how it goes. I'm claiming for this game that I am town. regardless if I am at L-1 or not. another reason I will say that I am claiming is because I am not a power role or anything. basically i'm just a simple blacksmith. If you don't want to believe me, fine, then don't. Prove it to yourselves what I am or what I am not. I feel claiming in this case will help town because that is what I want.-
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I want to add my new list of updated thoughts on the players.
Adam: I really feel like he is helping. He seems innocent enough in his words and I have thought so from the beginning. What I especially give him points for is his huge analysis of us all. I find it held some of my own thoughts. He reads a town for me. I also believe that we should pay attention to Guille and Code, because of their lack of care in reading, or possible business but none of us will know. the game has taken off considerably in my opinion and there is lots of evidence and information that we have here that town needs to sipher through and pick out the useful bits.
Mala: I claim her to be town as well. Her first accusation against me was definitely a town move in my opinion as she 1. wanted to get out of RVS which town wants asap. 2. she honestly thought she saw a scum tell from her experience in other games that i'm guessing. She seems like an experienced town in my opinion and seems like a smart and active scum hunter asking questions that will actually get answers rather then asking questions that she hopes will give answers or helpful clues.
Shrimp: my first thought is to just pronounce him scum because of the sheer incredulousness I feel whenever he posts. Everything he says I honestly disagree with and everything he claims I think he is basically wrong. Especially about the things he claims about me. I know the truth of my actions. he is not wrong about everything necessarily but his posts were hard to read so I kept having to go back to them and maybe I still don't even understand what he means. Regardless of just how plain WRONG I think he is that doesn't necessarily fly as scum to me. So it could mean his character is a scum act of sorts. or he is an not understandable frustrated townsfolk. I honestly see it at either or. kind of leaning more town, but all I can get from my gut is scum yet logically I see possible misunderstood townie.
Hawk: I will again state that I thought hawk to be town in the beginning. I have seen arguments thrown around over the last 4 pages and I say that they have some weight to them, but still hold my pro-town like position over him. I feel he has major experience in the game and recall some of his posts to be very pro town and helpful scumhunting tries with intelligence behind them. Scum i feel would not like to give us much intelligence, unless they were so intelligent as to pretend to be protown and offering intelligent false things which I think we should always be aware of but i'm not sure that he is necessarily doing that. Again, more town then scum feel but give him a possibility of slipping.
Mollie: I want to say that I thought it was an interesting move when she jumped on my wagon in the beginning. I would have understood it because it seems like someone I would have done, because I believe Mala seemed to have a point by picking me (even though I had no idea what I was doing) . what I did find odd was the asking like Adam mentions. i probably would have asked, but i understand if she may have felt cautious about jumping on my wagon so early in the game on someone elses reason. I would have been cautious of people judging me for that as well. I do like that she is the only one to call out mantis and throw an accusation his way because I don't believe any player should have a straight shot at being able to slip through without being questioned just because one person thought they were town or something. people have been known to be wrong. it happens. all the experienced players probably know that from their experience. it sucks, but it happens. so I'm cautious even though I have never been right or wrong yet. Whether she has much reason for accusing mantis or not I feel it was a good thing to happen. so leaning more town for you.
Mantis: again, I found myself agreeing with Adam's reading. His posts are very light compared to the others in this thread. I feel by looking more at his posts and his posts in the future and seeing similarities or differences will show us if he is scum or pro-town. I really like to see more off his thoughts, and also would like to say that I do believe Adam's questioning regardless of fillerness or anything can always give us more information that can help town, so I disagree with him there. more leaning to scum then town.
Code: NEED MORE POSTS!! I SEE YOU AS SCUM BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED AND WE NEED YOUR HELPFUL INSIGHT!
guille: Again, another scum read because of so little information and what little he has said tries to discredit Adam's thinking and questioning which I am all for. NEED MORE! but agree guiltiness so far!
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I like how i'm the one claiming here and i'm high on shrimp's scum list. =P
@shrimp there are a lot of reasons I think you are wrong, but i highly doubt you will listen to me with the way you seem to be playing since you are so sure of yourself it seems. no, thats not an excuse to get out of it. its the truth. plus I see it as filler and completely pointless to the game. a tactic i'd naturally see as scummy I might add. just throwing in pointless dialogue that will make the game harder to read. a scum tell if you must. I also would like to point out that you actually put yourself on your scale of whos scum and who is innocent. Are you claiming your innocence here? I read THAT as scummy as well even though I feel you to be innocent, but you seem to be acting scummier and scummier in my eyes. i don't understand. I also agree with Mala. How can you get a positive read on guille from the "little" he has posted compared to our scummy read of him and then claim that we are in the wrong. as mala said, you would get a null.-
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UNVOTE: I am going to update my scumlist/townie list. This is just my gut reads. something simple.
Mala: innocent
adam: innocent
shrimp: innocent
me: innocent
hawk:innocentish
guille:not innocent
codex:nothing, but since everyone else seems innocent. scum
mollie:innocent
mantis:innocentish
VOTE: codex-
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In post 478, pirate mollie wrote:In post 470, ProHawk wrote:Shrimp, Guilles scumminess is in plain sight, but beyond the field of view. Go re-read guille's posts and you should pick some up. If not, give us reasons why you think he is town and we can go from there.
Mollie, only if you are a girl cause guys' radiant beauty generally have no effect on me. Also, you forgot one of the biggest aspects of working with someone. It would also give you the knowledge of what exactly to do to fool the other. You have already refuted your point in a previous post, so this angle isn't a good one to work. Meta cases are weak.
I somewhat disagree with you hawk boy. lol, just got into a post game discussion with majiffy over this cos he pretty much agrees with you. I use meta when it is a player that I know pretty well. like I know their work schedules, sleep schedules, etc. meta is not the only scumhunting tool I have in my box, I use different things for different games. in some games meta is theonlytool I have cos some players will be so objectively scummy game after game and lynching or fosing doesn't seem to have an effect on them so they are not going to improve their game no matter what you do so you have to learn their town tells and most definitely their special tells. <----- do you guys call these relative tells here?
meta or pattern-matching should not be used when you are new or if you suck at it. it is only an asset if you can provide consistent reasoning behind what they are thinking or how they are posting in the game but then when it comes to making cases based on meta alone you are right it is pretty weak and you have to develope a reputation for it in order to get people to listen to you. but sometimes I have known who scum were on d2 just by the nk choice alone and that is a meta thing.
having said all of that my town read on mantisismeta based cos of her hardcore wk of adam which tbh I don't fully understand but then she often sees things that I don't. her posts look genuine to me but I get why this looks suspicious to other people who don't know us or our history or why we would think the way that we do.
the thing is that I have been a part of more town wins as town by finding town rather than just trying to find scum. you make me nervous cos I am not entirely sure what as scum you are capable of. if I had a barometer of what your scum game looked like you would be easier to read and no I am not going to look at your previous games cos I am not in them. I reaction test in a different way and I am not about to give up what I am looking for. I have shifted you to town but probably for reasons you might not understand. I am more of a lateral thinker.
I definitely see this as being pro town or a townish thing to say. Mollie feels town to me.-
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In post 595, Adam-12 wrote:In post 423, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 376, Adam-12 wrote:I would like to note that I particularly do not like this quote:
but addressing the subtle observation factor...just coming off of 3 games where I was scum. the audio one on this site, TO and ratskep.the eau de scum perfume has not worn off I suppose
This is a very clever statement that sounds good on the surface but really boils down to saying, "I know I looked scummy but I just played 3 games as scum in a row and so its not my fault" but at the same time she demonstrates deep knowledge of scum game play (especially evidenced by her most recent posts). I find this to be manipulative and a serious case of cog-dis; which is she, an expert player or one that is swayed by forces beyond her control?
My opinion at this point is that she is trying to weasel her way out of suspicion in any way that she can and the cog-dis here is pretty good evidence of that.
Adam's logic and reasoning in this case makes a lot of sense I feel. That much experience MUST mean that mistakes appear less in their game play. yes it is always a possibility to make a mistake now and again, but to have the perfume of being scummy? no. you know your alignment in a game. why would you purposely act scummy if you are town. a strategy? i don't see a logical strategy helping town win if people think one of the town is scummy and wants to lynch them.
manipulative eh? where is the cog-dis btw?
Ok, I missed that you asked that question while quoting my post.
The cog-dis is how you use the faulty notion of "scum perfume" as an excuse for looking scummy. I would expect this defense from someone with less than 9 games, not somebody with over 90. The dissonance comes with other of your defense when you demonstrate deep knowledge of scum play. You can't possibly expect me to believe that somehow because you played scum your last 3 games that you can't help looking scummy; if you look scummy as scum then you are either a newb or scum trying to pull the same sort of defense that you are trying to pull now. Based on your skill set, its just not possible that "scum perfume" even exists in your game and your using it as a defense shows a scum mindset that is trying to overcompensate for its guilt with a faulty excuse.-
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Adam's logic and reasoning in this case makes a lot of sense I feel. That much experience MUST mean that mistakes appear less in their game play. yes it is always a possibility to make a mistake now and again, but to have the perfume of being scummy? no. you know your alignment in a game. why would you purposely act scummy if you are town. a strategy? i don't see a logical strategy helping town win if people think one of the town is scummy and wants to lynch them.
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In post 605, pirate mollie wrote:In post 595, Adam-12 wrote:In post 423, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 376, Adam-12 wrote:I would like to note that I particularly do not like this quote:
but addressing the subtle observation factor...just coming off of 3 games where I was scum. the audio one on this site, TO and ratskep.the eau de scum perfume has not worn off I suppose
This is a very clever statement that sounds good on the surface but really boils down to saying, "I know I looked scummy but I just played 3 games as scum in a row and so its not my fault" but at the same time she demonstrates deep knowledge of scum game play (especially evidenced by her most recent posts). I find this to be manipulative and a serious case of cog-dis; which is she, an expert player or one that is swayed by forces beyond her control?
My opinion at this point is that she is trying to weasel her way out of suspicion in any way that she can and the cog-dis here is pretty good evidence of that.
manipulative eh? where is the cog-dis btw?
Ok, I missed that you asked that question while quoting my post.
The cog-dis is how you use the faulty notion of "scum perfume" as an excuse for looking scummy. I would expect this defense from someone with less than 9 games, not somebody with over 90. The dissonance comes with other of your defense when you demonstrate deep knowledge of scum play. You can't possibly expect me to believe that somehow because you played scum your last 3 games that you can't help looking scummy; if you look scummy as scum then you are either a newb or scum trying to pull the same sort of defense that you are trying to pull now. Based on your skill set, its just not possible that "scum perfume" even exists in your game and your using it as a defense shows a scum mindset that is trying to overcompensate for its guilt with a faulty excuse.
adam I don't think you quite get how cog-dis works. saying that I may be wearing eau de scum cologne cos of lingering scum games is not cog-dis it is an admission stating that I had a streak of scum games and sometimes when a player has this when they get into their next game they will sometimes post from what appears to be from a scum POV even though they are not. I have trolleytracked on players for this too and there really is not much to be done about it except learn from it which I genuinely hope that you will do.
hawk boy is demonstrating cog-dis by keeping me in his scum pile when he has clearly stated that scum try to hide and blend in. he put his vote on me early and at a time when it was really obvious that I was not trying "hide" and "blend in". then he says that the reason I was not "hiding" and "blending in" was cos he and others wouldn't let me. this is untrue. I have been front and center from the get go. cog-dis is also saying that when you apologised you were being sarcastic when it was sandwhiched between serious posts. not to mention it was also downright douchey if he was being sarcastic.
I am trying to sincerely reach out to you cos I am hoping you will do a hard reset once I have flipped and realise that I have a played a shitload of games and might actually know what I am talking about. you should have trusted mantis's read on me she just watched me play 4 scum games (2 at TO, 1 at ratskep and the audio game here) she probably has a better grasp of my scum game then anything else that you guys can come up with.
do you even remember why I drew so much suspicion? cos I sheeped malacat when other players had the assumption that it was still rvs. she clearly stated that it was not an rvs vote but someone I can't remember who said she was being sarcastic when I knew she wasn't. the sites that I play on we do not even have an rvs stage most of us will just jump right in and get our hands dirty.
anyways I do not know what to say to you anymore. sorry I don't play exactly the way you want me to play I am what I am I will try to avoid you in future games. cheers.
I feel I understand your reasoning better here mollie. It makes sense to me. still don't see how you a player of your experience can play so scummy when they are not scum without knowing they are scummy or something along those lines. I feel adam's reads are town as he put a lot of time trying to analyze players with his questions. regardless if you are town or not I feel he would question everyone in this game if he seems they are out of place or something doesn't make sense and with your case I agree that the "perfume" does not make sense even if you are innocent.-
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In post 610, ProHawk wrote:Levi!!! You are killing me. If you can, without going back to look at the post you quoted, paraphrase the whole thing, then I might believe you actually agree with it - the whole thing.
You quoted a post, and said "I agree". This is the most lazy, lackluster post full of nothing. You are being lazy and not contributing. If I didn't have you on my list of prob-town, you would be due for a D1 lynch. Keep it up and you will be the D2 lynch.
@hawk you are completely wrong about me quoting something and saying "I agree" what I said was that "believed this analysis makes her seem town to me" yes I technically agree with her disagreement about meta with you. but that wasn't what I was saying. nor was I saying that her disagreement with you made you scum. When I said later I agreed to it when you made your post about me quoting someone and wanting my "real" input I said it was because I agreed with it too. then you said that my agreement is lazy and not contributing. how is it not contributing? i'm giving you my thoughts even if they come from someone else. shouldn't that tell you my side of things and what I believe and how I act? and whether I am scum or town or not? and personally I don't think i'm going to make it to day 2. maybe i'm not lynched day 1, but I already claimed town and mafia is probably going to kill me during the night so you have nothing to worry about. and is that a threat by the way? you say you believe me to be town, but then you would go ahead and lynch me anyway? I claimed already. whether you believe me or not I see it scummy that you would do so much to want to lynch someone who is town.
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Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-3): Shrimp85, Guile
Guile (L-2): ProHawk, Pirate Mollie, Mantisdreamz
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12
Not Voting: leviathan93
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM ESTLast edited by Majiffy on Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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@adam I know it has gotten light. I have been busy recently. I have read most of the posts in this game currently and rereading the beginning now. My thoughts on the game so far is that there is was a battle about shrimp's alignment. that i feel has pretty much ended as of now. My current view was that even though he may have had bad reasonings i see him as town possibly frustrated town. As for Hawk. I thought him very actively good at scum hunting in the beginning as well as really wanting someone to be lynched (could be wanting it to be scum, but that could be debatable now). he didn't necessarily state he wanted a lynch but i feel he really wants someone to take a fall. As for you, you continue to be updated and posting your thoughts and asking questions for clarification as well. i see it as maybe not getting the best results, but at least you are trying. Mala seems to be consistently showing innocence and attempting scum hunting. Mollie played a bit scummy in the beginning and wasn't good at answering questions directed at her in an innocent manner and yet i feel her reasoning in itself is solid. Guille seems innocent and helpful to be now, but I get this weird feeling that people don't really believe that and i'm curious of that matter. All i see is innocence and helpful pro town actions. could be a play, but i don't know. borkfkergin or whatever seems innocent as well and more helpful then code x was. he seems innocent. Mantis i don't have much of a read on.-
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1. disagreeing has nothing to do with the read anyone could have possibly disagreed but i give her points for an honest challenge of you from her side
2. a pointless addition to this thing. it is just her bringing her outside information for her argument.
3. I would say this helps her point to you and is a good thing to bring up. meta can be used on experienced players, not newbs like me who don't have a meta yet and are "prone to mistakes" as you experienced players often put it. I think thats town points.
4. This again is information that i feel gives her town points for me. she is trying to say the consistency of scumminess causes her to look at meta in players. a scumhunting tactic i'd say.
5. again, I personally agree with this. I am a noob and i don't use other players meta because i highly don't i would use it correctly and make too many mistakes. though completely logical and almost obvious. id say another town thing.
6. and agreement was found. you both agree on something that i feel makes perfect sense. town. for the most part. could be playing along, but i still disagree. she is being consistent here.
7. a valid point she states. I'm playing with a character named thor in another game and he is IC and i'd say VERY experienced. I listen to him, but and I feel no one listens to me in most games because i'm a noob. town points
8. It can be. scum may want to go for the most skillful player who could possibly find out who they are. there are other factors too of course. town points.
9. that is her own personal opinion or feeling. how can you disagree with this? are you saying shes lying? shes trying to be helpful and not necessarily accuse him since she points out that meta alone is not really all that valid. town points
10. and should she? if she doesn't understand maybe she should ask. but she still states she doesn't. is that scummy or town. i see null but i'm still leaning more town.
11. this could be an observation and is she right? maybe. again. its a statement i feel. nothing naturally scummy about it. is it town. at least she is putting information out there. which I always see as a town thing.
12. that is her read so far. if only based on meta or what. neither scum nor town.
13. she stated that meta wasn't enough so she understands her own fall. could be a smart play or an honesty play. both. but i lean town.
14. that is a strategy and if it has helped her win then good for her. apparently it works. just a thought that could possibly help town in this game. town points.
15. more opinion. I see it as honest opinion. she wants to get it out there what she feels so other innocent people can take a look into it and possibly back her up. town points.
16. if she knows your meta as scum it may help her decide what you are in this game. that is helpful information for all the time. town points.
17. could be laziness. or scumminess. more scumminess then town though. no town points
18. who cares if someone reaction tests in a different way. if they are trying to help town its trying to help town. points for trying at least.
19. don't really know what "reasons he might not understand" means. don't know what to think of this one.
20. she feels what she feels. anyone want to argue with that? no points added.
and regardless if you believe me or not, I wanted to see how it would help this game progress. i don't see how scum would be smart to keep me alive. especially if everyone believes i'm town. then when I get to the end it would show who is scum because I'm confirmed town. at least in my own eyes and the scums eyes. im probably going to be a nightkill either day1 or day 2. and sorry for forcing you. =P-
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someone told me that one shouldn't try so hard to not appear scummy because that would mean that it looks scummy if a person isn't really being seen as suspicious and is appearing to "try to hard" i believe you and agree that when playing town you should be honest, because town does not need to lie and almost has nothing to worry about except the lynching or possible night kill. This being said, town can post as many times as they want in the attempts to give as much information as they can to help town win. I feel logically that scum want the least amount of information to appear naturally and be discussed. this is why the more random things that possible can happen, minus personal attacks in arguments and bullshit fluff, should happen to give all town players better possible reads. and you are right. it doesn't feel good to be lynched wrongfully. as a new player and as a person i'm peeved at the notion of injustice happening so I want to be really careful and truthful in my play as a townsperson so i don't vote wrongly.-
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In post 47, Majiffy wrote:In post 43, Malakittens wrote:That, but I think they were asking if scum were allowed to talk during the pre game confirmation stage.
Oh. Yes, they are/were.
based on this post. I also was thinking that the those of us who are scum knew that one could use the quicktopic chat thing before the game. this I would rule is their experience told them that. Shrimp guy and I are the ones I know that apparently did not know this was possible as shrimp guy did say that he didn't know. he could have been lying but all in all hawks post about him making a unintentional town tell seems to be understandable. therefore. I feel me, shrimp, adam, hawk. as town. mala could also be possible town and is leaning that way, but i'm worried about a wrong gut feeling with her. that leaves, mantis, possble scum, and guille as well with a possible borkkhfergnin or whatever his name is. but i think borkergin is town.-
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In post 143, ProHawk wrote:Shrimp, The explanation is easy. Mollie has a town read on me because I am town.
Adam, its time to get back on the Shrimp wagon. He is heading down the scum-slide.
In post 117, Shrimp85 wrote:
I don't understand how you all are so confident about lynching Leviathan93 for logging in a bit later.Leviathan93 is one of the newest players.
Don't you even see that that's not a clear scum tell? We have all day, don't try to quick lynch, it would be a waste of all the precious time town could use for their benefit.
leviathan93 wrote:aren't blacksmiths townies?
if you're town? why did you ask?Shouldn't you know
This CAN be seen as a scum tell.
Leviathan is one of the newest players, yet should know stuff if he is town... I don't buy that half-baked attack. Shrimp, if we are on the topic of scum-slips...
Spoiler: Shrimps damming scum-slip
In post 122, Shrimp85 wrote:
In fact, my read on Leviathan93 has increased mainly because of these posts.
And a bigFOS on Leviathan93
You could have fooled me...
In post 139, pirate mollie wrote:In post 137, Shrimp85 wrote:
Well, this is not one of those websites, the only thing town has in it's advantage is time, so lets use it wisely, and not try to quicklynch.
lol, wtf, who is trying to quick lynch here pretty sure the only person talking about that is you. placing votes is a great way to feel people out is this your first mafia game or what.
^QFT
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shrimp85
Spoiler: Scum-Slip Confirmation
And this is only the tip of the iceberg.
@hawk i'm sorry, but either i'm really stupid or i simply don't see why that post was about anything other then a town pr's. are you saying because it was technically not about that and about the blacksmith business?
also mantis. I think the quote above after going back to look at shrimp is one that may be interesting since I see hawk as town now. I originally thought shrimp was kind of all of the place and as adam said something about not being serious with his vote, which adam said later could be a scumtell. I remember believing shrimp to be innocent and then after some experience with finishing a game recently I learned how easily i could be tricked into not believing someone was guilty. i returned to this post and thought that it was an interesting argument made by hawk. and that I should look into it more.-
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In post 661, pirate mollie wrote:lol just saw this in post edit:
In post 658, leviathan93 wrote:In post 47, Majiffy wrote:In post 43, Malakittens wrote:That, but I think they were asking if scum were allowed to talk during the pre game confirmation stage.
Oh. Yes, they are/were.
based on this post. I also was thinking that thethose of us who are scumknew that one could use the quicktopic chat thing before the game. this I would rule is their experience told them that. Shrimp guy and I are the ones I know that apparently did not know this was possible as shrimp guy did say that he didn't know. he could have been lying but all in all hawks post about him making a unintentional town tell seems to be understandable. therefore. I feel me, shrimp, adam, hawk. as town. mala could also be possible town and is leaning that way, but i'm worried about a wrong gut feeling with her. that leaves, mantis, possble scum, and guille as well with a possible borkkhfergnin or whatever his name is. but i think borkergin is town.
LOL.
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lol, to you as well. some of you still don't believe i'm town, so why should I continue trying to keep myself out of the US factor when referring to us? =P "those of us who are scum" should I instead have said "those of you who are scum"?-
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and exactly as I said mala. I feel there is a possibility here. do you not like that? i did not know that you could talk during the beginning as scum before the game started in the confirmation stage. majiffy claimed and said that the scum could talk during that time and DID talk during that time. because I was unaware that this was possible i'm wondering who out of us truly knew it was possible. maybe that was all of you except me and so it was pointless to say, but even if it was 3 of us innocents that would still make it only 4 people we would have to look at. i know lying is still a factor in this but still. i thought it would help.-
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and @prohawk, I quoted 143, because it had to do with shrimp and mantis wanted my thoughts on shrimp. I reread the thread and found 143 and I thought it was interesting thing for me once I started thinking about it more. I easily passed over the thought that shrimp wasn't scum anymore after battling with it and i did that in a previous game and I was completely wrong. now i'm wondering if i should go back and I think your post is helpful.-
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ok. then glad you put your thoughts on the matter. I was just making a comment on a possible lead that town could look into. you say there is nothing to it. okay then. I wouldn't know, because i didn't get that "you are scum" message. "here is how you can talk to each other".
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Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-2): Shrimp85, Guile, ProHawk
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12
Leviathan (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Not Voting: leviathan93, Mantisdreamz
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM ESTLast edited by Majiffy on Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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@Guille I don't think the line of thinking was irrelevant. I know the roles are given out randomly but I figured because I was unaware that scum could talk to each other before the game during the confirmation stage and majiffy said that the people who are scum DID in fact use that time to talk it would mean that someone who knew that they could do that was guilty of being scum. apparently that would leave out me. so there are 6 of you left who could have possibly known that, or not known that. since i'm newer to this sight I guessed that someone with experience on this site had to have known that they could talk during that time. I feel i understand now that it was a pointless thing to state but the logic makes sense to me even if it isn't helpful at all.-
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I really just want to say that I highly doubt either mollie or mantis would be cheating. this being said, if there was anything to shrimp's claim that they seemed to know each other's alignment it would mean that they were scum. This is possible and makes sense but I highly doubt that is actually a correct interpretation of either mollie's or mantis' game. that's my personal opinion. i could be wrong though.-
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In post 763, Adam-12 wrote:In post 629, ProHawk wrote:Re: 625 - Who cares if you "claimed" town? You are by no means confirmed and have provided us with little to base reads on. If scum is smart you will live a long and fruitful life until we lynch you, you improve your play, or we win. I am not even going to go down the road of explaining why keeping you around to LYLO with your current play is certain death for us.
Levi, are you afraid to call people scum, point out scum tells & vote for them?
Did you or your scum buddy get lynched in your scum game?
The goal is to discover the "scum thinking" in people's posts. It won't be as obvious as saying "I am scum" but things that indirectly say the same thing. Your reads post #628 is no improvement at all because you have everyone listed as town or null. Granted this game is more difficult than your standard newbie game as most players are experienced in this thread but you need to upgrade your honesty, aggression & confidence levels to the point where you can effectively scum hunt.
Posting a full game of town reads means you are doing it wrong.
What games do you enjoy playing besides Mafia?
Yes, I am afraid to call people scum. I don't really trust myself with scum tells or voting as i feel very new to the site. This being said I don't feel I am reading people very well and my analysis and reasons are very lacking because of it.
i know that i have everyone almost listed as town or null. I know that i have people feeling more town than others and thats what I kind of am going off of for who scum is or not. and yes, i do know this, but i feel that will come with the more games i play and the more players I play with and learn their style. and i know that much. =P i just felt like if I ever have a thought on the game that i should put it out there for people to look at and mull over and see if it helps any. less information won't help us, but more information is always better I feel in the long run.
and i don't understand your games question. also as for a language it is tied for my first.-
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@mala it wasn't being a kiss up. it was being truthful. borky made valid points. I agree with those points and thought they were logical. I like logic and reason. especially in this game because why would scum want to use logic and reason other then to throw people off their trail. the more logic someone uses the more it can be torn apart and figured out to see if it is true or not. I believe scum can be found that way.
and i know how you feel about my claim. whether its helpful or not I want to find this out for myself. plus I also don't understand your fact that if I claimed why doesn't everyone believe me? huh? it could have been pointless and it just gives you a little bit to go off of. i feel that I will either get killed during the night now or kept alive to try to maybe throw you guys off the trail and lynch me yourselves while they kill y'all other innocents during the night.-
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yes, thats why i said they would use logic to try to throw others off their trail. but they have to be good with that logic or they will make a scumslip. and ok ok, i get it. you are making your point. you don't believe in claiming. well, I'm trying something here thats my own little strategy of sorts and so I want to really see what will happen and how it will go. if you by i don't understand how much it can hurt you mean making it easier for the scum to target the pr's then i get it. and ok, you get slips? i don't understand how. but ok then. and i'm not so much as confident that I will get night killed as in that i'm more confident that if that doesn't happen then i feel you guys will decide to lynch me in oncoming days.
and honestly, no i don't think you're scum. I think you have been very helpful in this game. this could be that you can easily deceive me, me being new and all, but i personally believe this time i'm not wrong about someone. i believe you and adam to be the biggest town reads I have at the moment. prohawk coming in third, but still little iffy on that.-
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you're really confusing me here. =/ i have called you town all game minus one or two posts claiming that either you are really good at fooling me or you are town like I feel you are. labeling things in a scum mindset? what does that mean? that I am cautious and trying to think things through and trying to think how scum would act so we can best monitor their movements and see who they are? thats like total pro town behavior or maybe i'm just stupid. how do i clearly label you as scum? FOR THE LAST TIME I DO NOT THINK YOU"RE SCUM!-
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I never argued that it didn't. what i'm arguing about is the fact that you think i have a scum read on you. I don't. I never did. I'm not throwing out the possibility but i'm trying to trust my gut here and it says you are innocent. think of me as scum all you want. that's not really my concern. my concern is catching actual scum and I see no point in arguing with you since I already made my claim and don't have much else to say on the matter.-
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@shrimp that is exactly what I am doing. =P trying to find scum. and bad posts? lol, i'm posting anything that comes to my mind that I think may help us get there. if you don't like the posts fine, ill just lurk and not say my thoughts at all and just vote people and give no reasons because apparently my posts are awful and aren't taken seriously. If I didn't find mala so innocent then i'd probably think she was scum for voting me with her reasoning, because I personally believe it to be very wrong. I believe that she's trying to actually find scum and if it takes her thinking i'm scum to get there then so be it.-
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In post 804, Adam-12 wrote:In post 761, leviathan93 wrote:yeah, it is true that a game that I played as scum just recently ended. mala was the mod. however, i did not know that i could talk in the confirmation stage then either and learned that I could once night 1 happened. I was already in this game when that happened since I joined multiple games.
So it took you all the way until N1 to figure out that you could chat N0?? Why didn't you see that you could chat N0 from the initial posts in the Q/T like Mala said??
because i didn't really read the message all the way through. i'm a lazy motherfucker like that. i just learned that I was mafia and was like ok.-
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First of all I would like to say for me to honestly believe much of what thor says I would like him to read up and be caught up. I believe him to be an excellent player and if he really is town he would actually read it so he could catch and understand the mistakes that happened earlier on and know who was scum since for the most part I kind of trust him. At least for this other game i'm in with him as well. if he reads he can therefore make very accurate decisions and thoughts. I agree that a lot of us thought mollie to be scum for random reasons across the board. that being said, I understand prohawk's concern that we have to start over with her replacement because I specifically feel for thor that we won't have the same mistakes that mollie made "if she did make them". However, I really found the prohawks push for thors lynch and an end to the day to be really scummy and unsettling. i know its getting close to the end of the day and i know we all want a lynch but if we push it we are most likely to guess wrong. there is no rush for the end of the day. THIS if anything is what I would see as a scumslip. but i don't really know my abilities of being right or not.-
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In post 990, Malakittens wrote:Really? Are you saying scum won't deliabelty want to fish out reactions for finding PRs.
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Also I think I would like to add that if we would ever consider the possibility of thor EVER being scum we can only judge mollie's previous game. This is my personal opinion because for me personally I really doubt I could read thor or even catch him if he were to make a scumslip. This being said. if we were to lynch him it would be to the "mistakes" of mollie and not for his action is this game. though I have my doubts on that matter of whether he is scum or not, if people really believe he is scum then he we should just lynch him right now and suffer the consequences. However if this is not the case and we do not believe he is scum then all the people on his wagon should change because it would be pointless to consider still pushing for his lynch if no one can actually agree on it. I believe if thats the fact there is something wrong with the situation.-
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In post 1058, Thor665 wrote:In post 1050, Adam-12 wrote:Vote Count
Thor665 (L-2): Shrimp85, Adam-12, ProHawk
Mantisdreamz (L-4): borkjerfkin
Leviathan (L-4): Malakittens
ProHawk (L-4): Thor665
Malakittens (L-4): Mantisdreamz
Not Voting: leviathan93, Guile
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST
I am wondering about this from what thor has said and I think he may have a point. I always think it to be highly probable that scum is on the very first wagon to occur or the first person who is lynched. AT LEAST one of them is scum. (most likely) I feel. unless the scum get really lucky and don't have to do anything to get town to lynch their own. i feel that may be rare though. I don't know, I haven't played enough yet to see whether that is truly the case. If thor DOES have a point though, this means in my personal opinion either shrimp or prohawk is scum because I personally believe adam to be really town. No that should not be news to anyone. I have said it multiple times before just like I have said mala is town or that is at least what I feel. whether thor is lying or not will change this read COMPLETELY but i'm currently feeling that he is not. that being said my main town reads have always been adam as most town. mala I still want to believe is town despite her thinking i'm scum, i think my read on guile and bork has been nullified so I don't think i know anymore. and i understand mantis' thinking mala to be scum for attacking me if people actually believe me to be town like I said I was. Thus my conclusion of scum is either shrimp or prohawk and either guile or bork.-
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that was a slip? =P really? no, I meant what I said. If we believe thor to be truly guilty let's all agree to lynch him and suffer the consequences. consequences can either be good or bad. would you rather I said "suffer the effects"? . and if we don't agree to lynch him, then I believe the whole wagon on him is pointless.
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