Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Thor665]

Oh, wait a minute, the other goon is traack immune.
My bad.
DISREGARD ABOVE - I AM DUMB.

Vote Count

ProHawk (L-3): Adam-12
Mantisdreamz (L-3): ArcAngel9
Thor665 (L-2): ProHawk, Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: - Thor665, Guile, Leviathan93

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is Thursday, January 10th, 2013 at 5:30 PM EST

[Adam-12]

You didn't see this!?

Your post is right below it. How could you of missed it!?

[Thor665]

Okay, so new plan.

Any tracker needs to counterclaim *today* and also right now.
Otherwise they are scum if they claim at any other time.
That gives us a confirmed town in Mantis - huzzah.

She can keep looking for the Watcher, because functionally every person she investigates she'll learn to help us to root out any fake Watcher claims later.

Vote: Guille

I tend to expect scum to have bussed or fled the wagon - Guille looks like a busser due to location.
I could do Arc too for ducking the wagon. ::shrug::
I think Levi is probably town, because I don't think both scum buddied me.

[Adam-12]

In fact the two posts are 1 minute apart and you would of gotten a system notification if it wasn't the last post in the thread!

[Thor665]

You didn't see this!?

Your post is right below it. How could you of missed it!?

Because I don't have a post right below it?

[Adam-12]

Do you know what I mean by "after the hammer had fallen"?

You never answered my question.

If I ask a question about ABC you answer about 123; that wouldn't be bad if 123 was in someway linked to ABC but I don't see how your answer relates to my question at all.

Yes, I do know what it means. Why do you ask in first place?

Ok, why did you vote Mala after the hammer had fallen?

well i didn't see the last vote before me.

You didn't see this!?

Your post is right below it. How could you of missed it!?

In fact the two posts are 1 minute apart and you would of gotten a system notification if it wasn't the last post in the thread!

[Thor665]

Ah, without a call out I thought you were addressing the posts above - where you were mewling at me for not posting and I answered.
Carry on.

[ArcAngel9]

In fact the two posts are 1 minute apart and you would of gotten a system notification if it wasn't the last post in the thread!

Look, i saw levi's but didn't payed attention to it thinking that it require more votes for the lynch and i placed my vote, i later realized that levi's vote actually killed bork.

if you don't believe it. there is nothing i can do to make you believe on this.

[Mantisdreamz]

@Mantis - why haven't you told us who is confirmed town yet?

i did, in a sense. in post 1717, i agreed that scum were probably in: prohawk, thor or angel.

making adam and levi mostly confirmed town..

[Adam-12]

In fact the two posts are 1 minute apart and you would of gotten a system notification if it wasn't the last post in the thread!

Look, i saw levi's but didn't payed attention to it thinking that it require more votes for the lynch and i placed my vote, i later realized that levi's vote actually killed bork.

if you don't believe it. there is nothing i can do to make you believe on this.

Later? When is that exactly?

[ArcAngel9]

Adam, don't struggle so much.
i am not scum, if you're townie then you need to stop coming after me and seriously should consider looking others who is been fooling around.

[Mantisdreamz]

Oh, and I'm okay if Mantis found the Watcher and wants to just claim it as 'I found the Watcher' insteaad of naming the Watcher.
That would be smart.

i did not find the watcher. there's no use in me admitting who was tracked

[ArcAngel9]

Adam, don't struggle so much.
i am not scum, if you're townie then you need to stop coming after me and seriously should consider looking others who is been fooling around.

[Adam-12]

Really? And you don't need to answer the question? When exactly did you learn that Levi's vote killed Bork?

[ArcAngel9]

Sorry for the double post.. i honestly don't know how that was happened.

Mantis, I am open to consider if you can actually tell me why i should believe you
In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

[ArcAngel9]

Really? And you don't need to answer the question? When exactly did you learn that Levi's vote killed Bork?

I am not going in circles on this with you. I have already answered that i didn't see levi's vote properly before i put my vote. That's is it. I am not repeating this anymore. if you want to hang on to this.. so be it but don't expect any response from me on this. you're not only wasting your time but also wasting mine.

[Thor665]

In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

[ArcAngel9]

In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

Neutral about whom? Mantis
What is your reason?

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, I am open to consider if you can actually tell me why i should believe you
In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

well....
i told you before (or other people have told you), that if i was not tracker, someone else would step up and claim that i was indeed lying. nobody has done that. and, there is no reason for anyone NOT TO, at this point. being that there is only one scum left. someone could counter claim me, and then expose me as scum.

so the fact that no one has counterclaimed right now, and in day 1 - WHEN EVERYONE HAD THE CHANCE TO CLAIM 'not tracker', goes to show that there is not a counterclaim.

I'm a bit baffled that we are discussing this.


but if you are town - i think you are very much wrong about Adam.
What are your opinions on Guille, Thor and Prohawk? and if you had to choose a scum from them, which one would it be?

[Mantisdreamz]

oh yea, what was the exciting news?

[ArcAngel9]

Mantis, I am open to consider if you can actually tell me why i should believe you
In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

well....
i told you before (or other people have told you), that if i was not tracker, someone else would step up and claim that i was indeed lying. nobody has done that. and, there is no reason for anyone NOT TO, at this point. being that there is only one scum left. someone could counter claim me, and then expose me as scum.

so the fact that no one has counterclaimed right now, and in day 1 - WHEN EVERYONE HAD THE CHANCE TO CLAIM 'not tracker', goes to show that there is not a counterclaim.

I'm a bit baffled that we are discussing this.


but if you are town - i think you are very much wrong about Adam.
What are your opinions on Guille, Thor and Prohawk? and if you had to choose a scum from them, which one would it be?

Why would you think that there is only one more scum, I was hoping there are at least two scums.
about Guille, Thor and Prohawk. I will need to re-look at them, and this time i won't be rushing but let my vote stay on you though i believe you for now.
And about Adam, I am tired of his questions. He just doesn't stop. that's no good

And about me. I thought you would have guessed already. Anyways i am one of those people in town you were looking for.

[Adam-12]

Ok, I'm really fed up with this.

I read Hawk's post and I find it quite town.

How about my vote stays here until you tell me when "later" you learned that Levi's vote killed Bork?

Unvote, Vote Angel

[Thor665]

In what way you're the Tracker and confirmed townie. If you tell me that then i ll hint something about me. Its an exciting news for you.

Neutral about whom? Mantis
What is your reason?

No, mantis is confirmed town unless anyone else says they are the Tracker.
No one else is.
Hence - she is confirmed town.
The rest of your play at the moment is what leaves me neutral. Please stop it and just scumhunt.

[ProHawk]

Okay, so new plan.

Any tracker needs to counterclaim *today* and also right now.
Otherwise they are scum if they claim at any other time.
That gives us a confirmed town in Mantis - huzzah.

She can keep looking for the Watcher, because functionally every person she investigates she'll learn to help us to root out any fake Watcher claims later.

Vote: Guille

I tend to expect scum to have bussed or fled the wagon - Guille looks like a busser due to location.
I could do Arc too for ducking the wagon. ::shrug::
I think Levi is probably town, because I don't think both scum buddied me.

So you are taking the bussing route. That would leave Levi, Adam, and Guille.

Adam voted to tie up Mala-town and Bork-scum.
Guille voted to place Bork-scum at L-1.
Levi hammer voted Bork-scum.

I pretty much defended Bork to the end, calling for people to lynch Mala-town. Scum had me practically doing all of the dirty work for them.
So...
Why would the remaining scum, when Mala was the lead wagon, give momentum to the Bork-Wagon (Adam)?
Or
Why would the scum put the Bork-Scum wagon in the lead when he could have easily put Mala-town in the lead (Guille)?
Or
Why would scum hammer Bork-scum when he could have voted Mala-town to tie up both wagons and potentially stall the game into a no-lynch (Levi)?

To gain town-cred you say? I am seeing way too much risk here without enough reward. At least to me until Guille voted, Bork did not seem like he was going down in a ball of flames. While I agree that your choice (Guille) is the most likely candidate out of the three, I fully believe that scum will be found in the non-bussing category, ala you, me, and Angel.

Your predecessor was acting like scum before she replaced out most likely because your slot is scum. You are obviously a well seasoned mafia-man which is why you wiggled out of the lynch D1, but I feel like the evidence against you is overwhelming in this case.

[leviathan93]

It is a definite possibility that thor is scum. i'm not saying this for sure but it is my gut right now. I do have an uneasy feel about guille but honestly its because of his beginning play as a lurker that bugs me the most and I feel he hasn't added much other then really long explanations every once in a while. yes, they are kind of helpful but still. it may be because he is trying to just get by. i don't know. honestly my hammer of bork was luck. I chose bork because I felt mala was innocent. even though I had pretty much absolutely no read on bork, and to find out he is scum scared the bejeebies out of me. to me, that either means I suck at judging people, catching scum tells or what. if that is the case then i am almost shit out of luck. however, i was confident in my mala as town read and her death unfortunately confirms that.
adam is the new mala for me this day. he is my confirmed town. so am I. for me this leaves 5. mantis claims tracker so this leaves 4. thor, angel, hawk, guille. my gut tells me to believe angel. this leaves 3. thor, hawk, guille. hawk seems helpful, but pushy. could be like someone who doesn't care about how they look which to me is a town tell. this is only a light read that could be wrong however. but ill go with it for the time being. this leaves 2. thor and guille. I am not impressed with guille at the moment and i believe scum to be most likely in one of those two. therefore my vote goes too. VOTE: guille