Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

Ellibereth · Post Post #24 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:54 pm

Hiya all!

Vote farside

Ellibereth · Post Post #56 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:16 am

I'm V/LA for two-three days. Sorry guys.

Ellibereth · Post Post #128 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:23 am

I'm back from Thanksgiving, but I'm tired as hell.
I'll read through and post something later today.
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.

Ellibereth · Post Post #135 (isolation #3) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:25 am

I think DL always acts this way...and I still don't understand post 74 at all.

In general, I also don't get the big deal with the chainsaw defense thing.

@Sabre: What's the big deal about not RVing? Why is being dogmatic scummy?

I find the whole thing confirming Konowa as town due to him voting Sabre is ridiculous.

Unvote, Vote Saber

Ellibereth · Post Post #261 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:40 am

Some shit happened to my computer. Sorry. >.<
Reading through.

Ellibereth · Post Post #276 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:38 am

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon
184: He would probably be replaced way before lylo.
190: Why vote Albert? I've Contributed much less.
199-216: I agree with Albert.
218: He never said that. You're misrepping.
220: I can find one...
227: What was his defense?
239: Hewitt
253: WHat does "You both are scumtells and nulltells" mean.

hewitt: Which of your posts do you think are contributive?

Vote: Hewitt

Ellibereth · Post Post #292 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:00 am

DarkLight wrote: Defending a player who isn't here?? SERIOUSLY????

Seriously

farside wrote: Just reading elizabeth's post 276. Why are you voting hewitt? Nothing in that post shows a reason. How is hewitt misrep? Why are you taking one side over the other?

Ellibereth not elizabeth.

Cause I think he's scum.
He had a misrep in 218.
I think hewitt's scum.

Ellibereth · Post Post #296 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:06 am

hewitt wrote:
hewitt wrote:
CSL wrote:hewitt, I'm going to have to agree with ABR on this one. You have not contributed at all. I know I haven't contributed much either, but that's because I don't see anything that sets off my scumdar, EXCEPT this.
This is kind of a funny little misrepresentation here. When did I ever state that I've been a top contributor?
That's my misrep Ellibereth? It's dangerous to smoke crack and then play Mafia, be careful.

I try to stop but it's too addicting...but I still don't see where in that post CSl said you were the top contributor.

Ellibereth · Post Post #523 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:20 am

OK...I read through everything but I'm not completely sure what to post that isn't just repeated what people said...I'll be happy to answer any questions though.

To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.

CSL and saber both seem to have a history of self-voting and vote jumping so I think those are both null.

Albert, do you no longer think that hewitt is definitely scum? It seems the wagon on him fell apart when CSl started getting erratic.

Ellibereth · Post Post #525 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:38 am

hewitt wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.
...That wasn't even a real case that was a fake case. I don't think Netopalis is scummy at all and that "case" didn't need a response from him.

Why can't it be used as a real one?

Ellibereth · Post Post #529 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:58 am

Netopalis wrote:I think that it's more interesting that the only arguments that she has advanced are those advanced by other players. I also think that it's interesting that she has completely missed the replacements we've gotten in.

he.

What do you want me to say about the replacements?

Ellibereth · Post Post #539 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:28 am

I don't see what's so pro-town about Neto...

DarkLightA wrote:
hewitt wrote:Because it's a faulty case that only scum would drive
you're claiming scum?

*facepalm*

Ellibereth · Post Post #540 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:30 am

Netopalis wrote:Acknowledge that CSL is no longer playing, for one thing.

Also, explain how a 3rd-person pronoun which is uncapitalized is supposed to be a complete sentence. Seriously. You can't just make words into sentences by adding periods to the end of them.

Why do I have to acknowledge it? It seemed pretty obvious...

I was clarifying my gender.

Ellibereth · Post Post #595 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:02 pm

SerialClergyman: CSL's play seemed to be consistent with all his other games EXCEPT for the self-vote. While SC's wall was really impressive, I lean more toward scum due to CSL's play.
hewitt: I originally thought he was scum, but I don't think scum would rant that much and now he feels more town. Wierd the way he defended Neto though.
Albert B. Rampage: Seems confident and sure about everything. I also like reading his posts the most. Town.
saberwolf: I don't like his play and he confuses me a lot. I can never tell when he's serious and when he's not. Using the meta excuse for everything is pretty bad IMO and I feel he needs to be lynched sooner or later.
Shotty to the Body: I originally thought of him as neutral but after after reading SC's post, it makes him seem much more scummier...
Netopalis: I'm not really sure why, but my gut leans scum. Seems to suspect anyone who presents someonething without a concrete case
kikuchiyo: Her early play felt like town, but hasn't really done much since then. Neutral, leaning town.
DarkLightA: I don't understand what he says. I played with him in an ongoing game now which I can't discuss. He feels more like scum here.
farside22: Seems to be farily normal town player.
saberwolf: I don't like his play and he confuses me a lot. I can never tell when he's serious and when he's not. Using the meta excuse for everything is pretty bad IMO and I feel he needs to be lynched sooner or later if no scum is caught. Neutral, leaning both ways.
Ojanen: I didn't get much from Konowa's play, but the whole meta thing with saber was interesting. Neutral
KittyMo: Nothing. neutral.

So Scum are: Neto, Shotty, DLA, Serial. One too many...

Yes, I know the above has close to no to no real logic in it, it's just my feeling.

I'm going

Unvote, Vote Shotty

since he's the one in the three closest to being lynched.

hewitt wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:I don't see what's so pro-town about Neto...
That's because you clearly have not read this game.

So anyone who doesn't think he's town hasn't read the game?

SerialClergyman wrote: Ellibereth is scum. That is an epic case of hold on for the ride bandwagoning. His entire play has been 'I agree'.

I'll admit everything here is true except for the first sentence.

Ellibereth · Post Post #669 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:48 pm

Ok...I read through all of Neto's posts:

#8: He agrees that meta is overrated, but still uses DLA's meta as an excuse for DLA's play.
#15: Says he will vote for DLA only if he doesn't put him in the danger zone. Later says it is to encourage DLA to post better. I don't see how that works.
#21: Says that Hewitt is the "easy target" scum found. I dunno, I think it would have been me, saber or DLA...
#27: Why are day 1 lynches worse than random? Why did you choose DLA and hewitt as the least useful people that you can get a read on others from? And did you ever do the hewitt reread?
#28: Hasn't voted for either CSL and DLA yet, after suggesting policy lynch.
#35: He sounds like voting Albert was some sort of inevitable result. Why so sure DLA is the best play of the day? You haven't even voted for him.
#36: Ooh! Ooh! Isn't the last sentence lining up lynches?
#38: Why doesn't what the original player did pass over? I disagree.
#41: It's what Saber's been doing the whole game, why only mention it now?
#46: Wants a polivy lynch here again.
#55: Continues to vote for people because they'll be dangerous or playing bad. Not because he thinks they are scum.

Unvote, Vote Neto

Ellibereth · Post Post #670 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:49 pm

dramonic wrote:
Mod Poll!
Considering the game began on the 19th of november, you guys have been given 5 weeks til the deadline.

Question: Do you want a closer deadline?

No.

Ellibereth · Post Post #698 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:26 pm

Netopalis wrote: Personally, to me, it looks like he's just said that because you accused him of bussing... I know he can't *actually* be bussing because I'm not scum!

Are we suppose to believe you when you say you aren't scum?

I'd be perfectly happy with lynching Serial just because of CSL's play, but I think Neto's much scummier.

Ellibereth · Post Post #703 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:34 pm

I don't understand why you're asking me about shoes.

Ellibereth · Post Post #708 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:36 pm

Netopalis wrote:Alright. Thanks for your input, Elibereth. You've been extremely, extremely helpful.

*scribbles*

Tell me, Elibereth, why do you think that I'm asking you about shoes?

Once we hear from Saber, I will release the wealth of information that this just gave me in regards to your play.

Can't wait.

Ellibereth · Post Post #711 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:40 pm

Brilliant deduction sir.
I'm male btw.

Ellibereth · Post Post #717 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:46 pm

Netopalis wrote:Elibereth: You're a girl until you earn the right to have a username that confuses your physical gender with your preferred presented gender.

Saber: My test was fairly simple: You both exhibited a pattern of agreeing with the last thing that was said. Elibereth did. You didn't. That means that this sort of automatic regurgitation is no excuse for your actions - there is, apparently, at least some independent thought in there. Now, here's a trowel, a bag of potting soil and a watering can. Plant that seed of independent thought, nurture it, then eventually it will grow into something glorious.

Whatever you say.
Doesn't change that you're scum.

Ellibereth · Post Post #720 (isolation #21) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:49 pm

Did you read the last two pages?

Ellibereth · Post Post #724 (isolation #22) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:58 pm

Eh, Serial, what does "Did you think that this comment wasn't deliberate? " mean?
I know my English sucks.

Ellibereth · Post Post #729 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:02 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:TL;DR

Page 29 is fluff, page 28 is where SerialClergyman claims scum. Vote him off to hell when you please.

Meh...I think he was joking...keeping my vote on Neto.

Ellibereth · Post Post #763 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:47 am

I'm still waiting for a reply from Neto on 669.
I make a serious case against him, and he comes back by ignoring it and creating a silly shoe experiment.

Ellibereth · Post Post #764 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:47 am

DarkLightA wrote: @Elli: Wtf happened to you?

Wut? I don't get it.

Ellibereth · Post Post #765 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:16 pm

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, but CSL has self-voted as scum here

His tone is almost the same as here.
I'll be happy lynching Neto or SC today. They're both scum.

Ellibereth · Post Post #766 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:19 pm

Also note that Albert and Neto are also both in that game.

Ellibereth · Post Post #768 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:38 pm

kikuchiyo wrote:In any case, self voting is not a scumtell. Ever. I would say it more often than not is a townsperson acting stupid. I see nothing which indicates SC as scum. It seems that we should be lynching Netopalis, ABR, Shotty or Farside.

Meh, I disagree about the self-vote-not-a-scumtell thing, especially in this case.
Where did Farside come from?

I think that if we lynch from the pairs of those opposed to one another that we would either hit scum, or reveal that the other player is scum, no? But I guess that circles back to the discussion on setting up lynches.

Sorry, I don't get what you mean here .

You already know what I think about Neto.

Ellibereth · Post Post #808 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:35 pm

Hewitt, I clearly wrote out reasons in 669.
As a matter of fact Ojanen's came seems to be the almost the same, just using more words.

Ellibereth · Post Post #810 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:27 pm

Neto, do you still think that Albert is the best lynch of the day?

Ellibereth · Post Post #825 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:34 pm

Hewitt, how was my post different from Ojanen's.

Ellibereth · Post Post #915 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:28 am

Neto, that's a pointless statistic.

Ellibereth · Post Post #971 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:14 pm

Serial: Why would you call a player slot that has close to no posts scummy? It seems it was mostly because of RL reasons...

Shotty: Do you still suspect DLA after Albert flipped town?

Scig: Where did SC quote 'em? Can't find it....

Kik: Don't you think it would have been better to wait a while before you hammered?

I'm a bit short of time right now, but my top suspects are Shotty and DLA. I'll explain why when I get back.

Ellibereth · Post Post #975 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:51 pm

Farside, why vote DLA > SC when Neto meta-defending applies to both?
You said you were looking at Shotty, did you find DLA scummier than him or have you not looked at him yet?

And you still haven't spelled my name right once I think.

(Just use Elli)

Ellibereth · Post Post #976 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:53 pm

I also don't think that Neto would so actively meta-defend both of the other two scum...

Ellibereth · Post Post #978 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:36 pm

I have a theory: The other two scum are Shotty + One of DLA and Serial.

Ellibereth · Post Post #982 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:28 pm

Shotty and Neto were avoiding each other Day 1 IMO.
Shotty didn't even mention Neto until Albert started pushing
And then he put some crap up like:

ABR where did you go? I need you to talk about Neto.

I need to reread Neto and someone else

Ellibereth · Post Post #989 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:43 am

farside22 wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:Shotty and Neto were avoiding each other Day 1 IMO.
Shotty didn't even mention Neto until Albert started pushing
And then he put some crap up like:
ABR where did you go? I need you to talk about Neto.

I need to reread Neto and someone else
Yeah but SC started a case on shotty which is why I have pause on that. If I think of of DLA or SC scum based on neto defense then I have to wonder about shotty with SC trying to get him lynched.

Meh...Serial just replaced in for CSL so he had to be pretty convincing to avoid getting lynched. I don't think it would have been a problem for him to a launch an attack on his buddies to make himself look better.

I also think Shotty very well knew that noone else was going to support a DLA lynch...

Ellibereth · Post Post #990 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:05 pm

[quote=Serial]
at the same time that Shotty was saying Albert was scum with DLA, he then turned around and buddied Albert pretty hard and started to talk his way onto the Neto wagon. I don't usually join the wagon of my top suspect nor do I 'talk to them about it' first. I thought that was particularly odd. [/quote]

Odd in a good way or a bad way?
The thing is Shotty only he said he wanted to talk about Neto, reread Neto etc. He didn't indicate the intention he wanted Neto to be the D1 lynch.
Where did Shotty buddy Albert?

Ellibereth · Post Post #991 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:05 pm

EBWOP: Stupid tags

Serial wrote: at the same time that Shotty was saying Albert was scum with DLA, he then turned around and buddied Albert pretty hard and started to talk his way onto the Neto wagon. I don't usually join the wagon of my top suspect nor do I 'talk to them about it' first. I thought that was particularly odd.

Odd in a good way or a bad way?
The thing is Shotty only he said he wanted to talk about Neto, reread Neto etc. He didn't indicate the intention he wanted Neto to be the D1 lynch.
Where did Shotty buddy Albert?

Ellibereth · Post Post #999 (isolation #41) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:47 am

Saber's not playing anymore, and I honestly have no idea what to think of him. Main reason for this is is I don't know if he was playing to win or cared about the result...

Serial wrote:Shotty being very aggressive towards him on D1 makes him more likely to be town in my eyes.

I already said, I think Shotty had a good idea that DLA was not going to be the day 1 lynch.

Shotty looks like the best lynch.

Vote: Shotty

Ellibereth · Post Post #1001 (isolation #42) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:20 am

Before I read the previous post, let me say I had several moments of confusion where I thought DLA self-voted.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1002 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:26 am

DLA wrote: Would Shotty do that if I were his scum bud?

As I have said several times already...yes

Ellibereth · Post Post #1005 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:51 am

When you say CS do you mean Serial?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1014 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:03 pm

Shotty, who was the someone else when you said you had to reread Neto and someone else?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1018 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:54 am

Oj, what do you think about Shotty?

Ellibereth · Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:17 am

The whole DLA vs. Serial argument is just begging for a massive amount of WIFOM. Not going to think about it right now.

Shotty's still scum, look at his interactions with/concerning Neto:
Irrelevant talk
Suddenly wants to talk to Albert about Neto after launching attack on DLA + Albert.
Neto reread plus "someone else"
Says he sees where Albert is coming from but still wants to go for easier lynch.

Ellibereth · Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:41 am

waitwaitwait, what?

Ellibereth · Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:31 am

farside22 wrote:*mutters to self about not wanting to throttle DLA*
*mutters about ABR*
*starts to lose mind over the WIFOM*

Would you be up to ignoring all that crap and gp after Shotty?

Ellibereth · Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:31 am

EBWOP: going after*

Ellibereth · Post Post #1056 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:08 pm

Meh.
SC! I know you're there! Drop your argument with DLA a sec. Don't you still think that Shotty's scum?
And DLA, if you're so intent on following Albert, You know he did say he believed hewitt's claim.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1070 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:49 am

I also mention Shotty has posted 15 times in 2 other topics since last posting here.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1072 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:03 am

Serial wrote: The problem isn't buddying - thep roblem is he was scum according to your theory of the game. I thought Albert was town, i said so repeatedly and make no apology for it. You outlined a theory that you fought tooth and nail for, apparantly, that had DLA scumbuddies with ABR and then just sort of stopped that theory and started buddying Albert by pushing to 'talk to him' about the Neto wagon. You don't see anything wrong or unusual about that?

Elli wrote:Shotty, who was the someone else when you said you had to reread Neto and someone else?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1074 (isolation #54) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:23 am

damnit guys, you're all getting so distracted by kik.

Ellibereth · Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:02 am

Albert this Albert that...I dunno! He's dead! He probably just wanted to lynch Neto yesterday or something. And we didn't have the Neto-scumflip yet.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1092 (isolation #56) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:42 pm

K Serial, Shotty and Kiku are scum.
Could we lynch Shotty today then? He's clearly ignored our questions concerning Neto.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1094 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:50 pm

Serial : We should lynch Shotty over Kiku.
I'd go for the guy ignoring questions over the one giving shitty answers.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1109 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:18 pm

Shotty, these two off the top of my head...tired as hell right now, post more later:

Ellibereth wrote:
Serial wrote: The problem isn't buddying - thep roblem is he was scum according to your theory of the game. I thought Albert was town, i said so repeatedly and make no apology for it. You outlined a theory that you fought tooth and nail for, apparantly, that had DLA scumbuddies with ABR and then just sort of stopped that theory and started buddying Albert by pushing to 'talk to him' about the Neto wagon. You don't see anything wrong or unusual about that?

Elli wrote:Shotty, who was the someone else when you said you had to reread Neto and someone else?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1110 (isolation #59) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:19 pm

Oh yeah, and why did you avoid Neto until Albert brought him up?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1112 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:33 pm

Kise wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:K Serial, Shotty and Kiku are scum.
Well with 1 scum down, aren't there only 2 left..?

I was talking to Serial

"Okay Serial : Shotty and Kiku are scum" was what I meant.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1119 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:40 am

Kikutown
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight= (With Serial)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Kikuscum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight= (With Serial)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Ellibereth · Post Post #1120 (isolation #62) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:50 am

Example of impatient hammer from Kiku

Ellibereth · Post Post #1124 (isolation #63) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:28 am

waitwaitwait, what?
Why would you claim mason now????

too tired to think.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1126 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:52 am

Ellibereth · Post Post #1127 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:58 am

DarkLightA wrote:Outcomes:

Kik = town
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK kik as town.
2. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik remains in play. Next day lynch Kik.
3. Lynch Kik --> NK someone else as town/mason.

Kik = mason
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK kik as mason.
2. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik (mason) remains in play. Next day lynch Kik.
3. Lynch Kik (mason) --> NK someone else as town/mason.

Kik = scum
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik (scum) lynched next day.
2. Lynch Kik (scum)

-----

I seem to be in favor of the first 2 bulks.

unvote
vote: Shotty

Wtf is this all about. No scum in their right mind would fake-claim mason right now.
Suggesting lynching Kiku now is just plain wrong.

But good vote.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1128 (isolation #66) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:59 am

EBWOP: I meant, "even thinking about lynching Kiku right now is wrong."

Ellibereth · Post Post #1130 (isolation #67) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:04 pm

Some random meta based on Shotty's limited scum games sample:

In Isacc's Sexy Mafia which was mod abandoned, he was scumbuddies with DraketheFake and Starman. Only 9 posts in game, but he mentioned neither of his scumbuddies.
In TV Network Mafia, his scumbuddies dahill and Shadow Knight/Socrates.
He mentioned dahill only twice throughout the whole game: A miniscule comment to him here, and only accusing both of his buddies here when the game was already all but over. He has the same close to nil interaction with his other partner, only here, not addressing him again until the game was basically decided. This is through 44 posts.

Conclusion: As Scum Shotty does not interact much with his partners.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1133 (isolation #68) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:13 pm

Serial wrote: If anyone is wondering whether it's appropriate to claim to back your partner - theory dictates it doesn't matter much because she'll be dead and you'll have to claim then to stop mafia claiming at lylo. So I wouldn't bother.

^^That

I think the partner should only claim tomorrow if Kiku dies tonight.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1134 (isolation #69) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:17 pm

If Kik dies tonight, it makes no difference if the partner claims today or tomorrow.
But since there is the off chance she lives, no partner claim now seems better.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1137 (isolation #70) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:33 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:Elli - are you an alt of anyone?

When you started this game you seemed quite a bit different, lots of following and not much effort or thought. Now you're doing meta research and have quite complex theory answers. Any reason for the change, or just psyched up a bit or what?

I'm your alt silly!

Let's forget about my earlier play.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1138 (isolation #71) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:40 pm

Shotty's at L-2 right now btw, I'd be happy to string him up without a claim, on the spot, now, on Christmas.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1139 (isolation #72) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:47 pm

And wouldn't it be a great present to Dram to have a body all nice and hanged by the time he gets back!
I think he'd be pleased.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1141 (isolation #73) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:04 pm

meh, I would expect Shotty to fake-claim mason to try and out the last mason today...

Ellibereth · Post Post #1145 (isolation #74) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:24 pm

[quote=SC]
There's no real down side to outing the last mason, just that the scum have a choice of either mason to kill. I doubt he'll try it. [/quote]

Disagree, giving the scum a choice of who to leave as the confirmed town can't be good. And if he claims vanilla he'll be strung up anyway.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1146 (isolation #75) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:26 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:farside - the problem isn't with that logic, the problem is:

If shotty flips town you attacked him from the start of the day and pushed his case hard. You must be scum.
If shotty flips scum, he defended CSL along with neto. You must be scum.

Do you get what I mean? It's the fact that no matter what he flips, the indication is his alignment is going to be a factor in a case against me.

But aside from all of that, don't make an argument or I'll vote you is lame and not going to stop me posting

If he flips town it won't factor against you. If he flips scum it will.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1149 (isolation #76) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:33 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:Well, personally I think if he's town it should be more likely to be suspicious given I've attacked him all day, and if he flips scum I'm not going to just roll over given I've really led the push against him, but at least if you acknowledge that you have that one or the other reasoning I guess I can't complain.

Don't want to argue this now, will wait for his flip.
I promise if he flips SK it will 100% clear you though.

Anyway...we have one lovely hammer to give away! Who wants to log on and take it!

Ellibereth · Post Post #1152 (isolation #77) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:41 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:Yes, getting a touch ahead of ourselves.

Without talking specifics about your earlier play - was there an identifyable reason your play changed so dramatically?

Why so curious?

Farside: Unclaimed today, Unclaimed tomorrow, or what?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1154 (isolation #78) » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:01 pm

Kise's on!

PLEASE TAKE THE WONDERFUL HAMMER WE'RE GIVING AWAY!!!!

Ellibereth · Post Post #1160 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:00 am

*mumbles about the lurker slots*

temporary

Unvote

Ellibereth · Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:35 am

I pray that Sci has more to say.

Ellibereth · Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:55 pm

Kise's posted 12 times in other topics since the last time here and has yet to say anything of worth here either....

*headdesk**headdesk*

Ellibereth · Post Post #1172 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:25 pm

Scigatt wrote:I say we don't wait on him unless we think we might change the lynch.

You do know we're talking about the player slot with close to 0 contribution thus far?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1174 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:10 pm

Has anyone here played with Kise before?
I might just go through his games to see if he has a history of lurking...

Ellibereth · Post Post #1177 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:55 pm

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02#2011402
^^^ That

All of Kise's anti-help so far.
I didn't formally get any numbers on Kise's games, but he seems to be far more active when given a town power role...too lazy to go get concrete numbers, maybe later.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1179 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:00 pm

5 to 1 we get some excuse about forgetting to put this in watched topics.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1181 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:30 am

I see your avatar and it makes me forgive you.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1187 (isolation #87) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:38 am

kikuchiyo wrote:
SerialClergyman wrote:It's not a policy lynch if he's genuinely scummy. That sort of posting pattern isn't lurking, it's actively not posting. He's probably scum.
Whose his partner?

Shotty

Ellibereth · Post Post #1188 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:44 am

Btw, i have every intention of hammering tonight.
I expect content by then

Ellibereth · Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:31 pm

Scigatt wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:
Scigatt wrote:I say we don't wait on him unless we think we might change the lynch.
You do know we're talking about the player slot with close to 0 contribution thus far?
Yes, and what make you think the last part of this day will be anything different?

Cause Kise's going to post.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1194 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:50 pm

I tempted to hammer the second Kise get's online, making his deadline before Dram gets here.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1195 (isolation #91) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:01 pm

It's 10:00
Kise's content is already long overdue.

Vote Shotty

Ellibereth · Post Post #1197 (isolation #92) » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:59 pm

He does have until dram shows up...which might be for a while...

Ellibereth · Post Post #1201 (isolation #93) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:36 am

Meh...I'm assuming you didn't bother to read the last few pages?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1211 (isolation #94) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:55 pm

farside22 wrote:Can we please lynch scum eeerrr I mean shotty since he hasn't come back to defend or comment about the fact that Kik claimed mason.
If there was anything town in his last post I failed to notice it.

I already hammered.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1214 (isolation #95) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:28 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:Don't you guys have anything to say about Kise?

I have a question for you: Do you think it would be to the benefit of the town if you survived to Lylo?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1222 (isolation #96) » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:07 pm

Serial, If Shotty flips town and Kise is scum, who is his buddy?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1233 (isolation #97) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:31 pm

Before we get to any content:

Dram, what's the situation on the Hewitt slot?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1235 (isolation #98) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:13 pm

Heh, that's funny Oj, we reached almost the same conclusions over the night.

I completely agree with her about the 5 listed players.

Some info I gathered through night:

Hewitt made a grand total of 0 posts throught day 2. (Dec 18 - Dec 29)
He did not flake from the sight, making over 30 other game posts during that time, including in Little Italy.
Dram sent him a prod here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#2024300, ( Dec 21, 2009 6:24 pm), Hewitt was clearly on site at the time, making a post in another topic 4 minutes later. On the 23th and 24th hewitt has yet to

respond

to his prod according to Dram. That implies he's picked it up and is deliberately ignoring it. Further evidence is that hewitt has posted between's Dram's posts.

Next up, a wonderful compilation of CSL self votes:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 06#1823806 town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1876483 scum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 77#2017577 town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 88#1894988 scum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 74#1921474 scum
What's curious is that he didn't hammer here, but just voted himself with

x

(Someone not as lazy as me do me a favor and check how many votes were on him) votes on him. He's only done that scum.

As for the argument, why would Neto defend Serial/CSl so vehemently. Assuming scum for Serial, this is what I think Neto's thought process was:
When Serial first replaced in, Neto was not in any trouble at all. Defending his scumbuddy would only be natural for him at that point, especially since the easy-bus just got replaced with a very good player. Later, both of them were under pressure. Neto could very well have thought the following: A) Serial's life was worth more than his, and B) If Serial had been the D1 lynch, Neto would have been all but screwed over D2. Hence, he makes sure that Serial's lynch does not happen all the while leaving the wonderful WIFOM defense that Serial could drop day 2 after Neto got lynched and flipped scum.

It should be damn obvious right now I think that Serial is scum. I'm not sure what to make of hewitt's ignoring of the prod, but we definitely need to hear from that player slot.
Out of DLA, Kise, Scigatt: Kise made a very interesting point about Saber. My impression of the guy was that he's lazy as hell and doesn't care that much about the results because of all the games he's in. Why did he work out that statistic to post in the first post?
Other random facts of note: Saber's random vote was for Neto. He advocated the other claim of the masons (anti-town as hell).
Tired as hell, more later.

Vote Serial

Ellibereth · Post Post #1236 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:15 pm

Oh yeah, and I liked Kise's posts.
My bet on the remaining scum are Serial, Scigatt. I'm not sure about DLA and hewitt's a wildcard right now.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:43 pm

Found something else:
DLA's read post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 15#1999415
Ignore the reads, note the lack of neto.
His "make up" post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 44#2000944
Note the following in his original list:

Kiku: No contribution really. When I saw this on the list of players I was like "Who's this?" until I saw the avatar.. Nothing much to say. More scum than town.

Note the following in his make up:

Sorry, I overlooked it.

Note the original player list (Which he says he looked at) taken from the Open que:

Toro
hewitt
Yarmond
Albert B. Rampage
Ellibereth
Shotty to the Body
Netopalis
kikuchiyo
Konowa
DarkLightA
farside22
saberwolf

Neto's right above Kiku

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:49 pm

Serial, why did you ignore myself and Scigatt in the latter part of your post.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:59 pm

Ah wait:

Dram wrote: If Hewitt doesnt respond before the next time I check my computer (which could be a little while) he'll be replaced.

Hewitt's not being replaced yet means he did respond to the prod, and still not post in topic.
I guess you do have a point.

Unvote

for now, I need to sleep on it.

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:13 am

The fact that hewitt doesn't seem to be replaced or in the process of it makes it seem to me like he responded somewhere before Shotty's lynch scene. If that is true, I am very curious why he did not post.
That said, i don't believe the scum were just sitting around D2. I believe there should be at least 1 on Shotty's lynch wagon (hence Scigatt or Serial).

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:14 am

And I forgot DLA.
DLA, what does Neto being under the mod have to do with anything?? You even had the mod on your list.

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:26 am

I don't get your town read on Scigatt/Saber.
He basically sat back for the whole kiku vs. Shotty thing and voted Shotty when it was clear he was going to be lynched.
I think one of hewitt/Kise could be scum, but not both.

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:03 am

@DLA: your current opinion on Scigatt, Kise and hewitt please?

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:15 am

Does anyone have/know any games where saber was scum?

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:31 am

Something seems wrong with that votecount.

I'll go through the saber games later.

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:19 am

Ellibereth wrote:
@DLA: your current opinion on Scigatt, Kise and hewitt please?

Ellibereth · Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:11 am

Through all of Saber's games, not once do I seem him voting for his scumbuddy. Anywhere. (Unless I'm missing something).

Ellibereth · Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:11 pm

I'm still here guys. Sorry for not posting so much in the last few days.
I have been going through the game a few more times but I want to first wait for Kise to finish and to have news about hewitt's replacement before posting something real.

Ellibereth · Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:45 pm

Still not so sure about Kisescum.
Decided that the Sabre/Oj/Farside slots are all probably town.
Still torn over Serial.
I really really really want to wait for the 2 replacements we need before I vote.

Serial, who's Kisescum's buddy?

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:06 am

Reread enough times, not sure about Kise+hewitt but I can go with Kise.

Vote Kise

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:38 pm

Serial, would you have any problems with a Hewitt lynch today?

I think it's ONE of Kise/hewitt + ONE of DLA/SC.

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:58 pm

Ojanen wrote:I wanna lynch Kise over hewitt.
There's nothing about Kise that suggest town to me, while hewitt is more ambiguous.
I would need to verify whether my rough feel is right, but basically
every single time
I remember him coming back to contribute it has come right after someone prodding him or pressuring him, followed with gaps.
This newest vote feels again like a complete reaction vote. Gonna verify.

Do you agree with 1{Kise/Hewitt} + 1{Dla/Sc}?

Also, Did Neto ever post anything about his reread here:

neto iso 27 wrote: Hewitt...is going to merit a reread in isolation.

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:00 pm

Unvote

again, bleh.
Looking through Neto's posts for stuff on hewitt...

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:23 pm

How hard do you think hewitt tried when he constructed that "fake case" against Neto? it was based on interactions with DLA.

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:24 pm

I don't see SC and hewitt together as scum. So hewittscum would most likely be paired with DLA.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:13 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:I think kise is the obvious lynch. He's been scummy for days and days.

I don't mean to be quiet but I'm having a quiet spell in all my games.

Ellibereth, after a stellar D2 you've said barely anything aside from you have neutral reads on anyone. Speak up, son.

Meh, I'd rather play like an idiot and lynch scum than be stellar and mislynch.
You're saying Kise and hewitt are scum, how willing would you be for a hewitt lynch over Kise?
I really don't see Kisescum at all right now.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Yeah, I see hewitt scum.

Vote: Hewitt

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:29 pm

I'd prefer if you switch over, I don't forsee myself changing my vote anytime soon.
Farside: I have a completely guy-based townread on Kise. Don't ask me why, I have no idea.
Hewitt is also mostly gut. That and general feeling I get from his relation with Neto.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:39 pm

farside22 wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:I'd prefer if you switch over, I don't forsee myself changing my vote anytime soon.
Farside: I have a completely guy-based townread on Kise. Don't ask me why, I have no idea.
Hewitt is also mostly gut. That and general feeling I get from his relation with Neto.
can you explain a bit better i would like to not be paranoid in my town read of you

Sorry then. It really is all gut. I’m not feeling Kisescum right now at all.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:11 pm

My completely gut based reads are as followed:

Town: Farside, Saber.
Most likely town: Kise, Oj
Limbo leaning down: Serial, DLA
More likely scum: Hewitt

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Kise wrote:How long until you modkill a slot? And if you did make a modkill for inactivity, could the day continue going?

I'm willing to make a deal with ya, dramoderator. If I find a replacement for Scigatt, can you MK hewitt?

I want to put 'lol', 'j/k' or a smiley face but I'm.. serious.

If this happened it would be lovely. ^^^

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:38 pm

Haido, ignore my shitty D1 play.

Ellibereth · Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:00 pm

I'm still here guys and still believe in my hewittscum Kisetown for now.
I'm shifting through the following only scum game of hewitts right now: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
I may actually get a "content" post up soon instead of screaming gut...we'll see.
A few things that have bugged me though:
The probabilist analysis seems to be an extremely unusual thing for saber to do from my looking at his play. Does anyone know whether there was ever any precedent of saber doing any sort of mathematical analysis in any of his games? I have the weird feeling that there is a possibility he was told to put that up by his scumbuddies if he is scum. Especially since Neto also did that probability thing with CSL's games.

I'm so getting infected by farside paranoia right now. :/

Ellibereth · Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:27 pm

Me wrote:Through all of Saber's games, not once do I seem him voting for his scumbuddy. Anywhere. (Unless I'm missing something).

I skimmed through the links that Oj provided. I didn't check whether those games were played before or during the whole "bet" thing though.
The stats at the beginning still give me a bad feeling...

Ellibereth · Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:34 am

Kise wrote:Ellibereth?

Kise wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:Kise's on!

PLEASE TAKE THE WONDERFUL HAMMER WE'RE GIVING AWAY!!!!
I didn't even deliver my thoughts on the game so far and this came across to me as pressure. As a matter of fact, you were pestering me at the end of day 2 to post content. If you were fine with me hammering Shotty day 2 with no delay, then why did you later hesitate to hammer and insist that everyone should wait for me to post?

Meh, cause I'm a lousy hypocrite who doesn't always think when I post. IIRC someone mentioned lurker slots needing content after i made that post and I unvoted.

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:51 am

Meh, Sorry. >.< I've been looking through Hewitt's games without drawing any real conclusions yet...all I can say is that emotional outbursts are not indicative of town for him at all...
Do none of you guys find the beginning stats Saber put up worrying at all? It keeps coming to me that it seems so ridiculously anti-saber to do something like that.

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:19 am

Far wrote: he voted for his mason partner thinking he was scum

What? Saber or hewitt? I don't get it...

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:03 pm

Serial wrote: So out of that list, she has 4 townies and one scum player,

I dun get it. Slip?

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:06 pm

Serial, IIRC Kise's overall activity in the D2 time period was pretty slow in all his games. I'll go check again on that.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:17 pm

Why do you have saber listed as town? You bother to say most likely town or town read elsewhere, but you've outright declared Saber a townie twice. Slip?

Vote: SC

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:25 pm

Serial wrote: The people I think are most likely town, farside and Ojanen

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:27 pm

Meh, that doesn't look like it was part of the previous sentence.
You're saying you have 3 people here at 100% town right now?

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:33 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:How? It has the word 'AND' starting it ><

No, Scigatt is higher than either Ojanen or farside. I'd say Ojanen 95% town and farside 75%.

What motivation would saber have had to compile the statistics at the beginning of game, especially given his recent "bet" town meta?
Is your 100% town read based on meta, gut, or what?

Out of curiosity, what are your percentages for everyone else?

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:46 pm

gutgutgut

I'm just really not getting scumvibes right now. Might reread later.
IMO you're way overconfident about Saber.

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:34 pm

Ugh. I disagree with the mason read on Sci, TBH I've been thinking it was Kise for quite a while, and I still do.
EDIT: Ok...looked at Sci and Saber in ISO, I feel more town now, but no mason. Bleh.
Another ugh is that gut is leaning town on Budja...
Which leaves: Serial, DLA. Which seems so seriously wrong.
Ugh, I would be fine with either of the above two lynched today. Maybe Budja since my read on his is irrational as hell...

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:36 pm

Budja, can you link to any games you've replaced into when the games have had greater than 40 pages. kthx

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:55 pm

OK, I actually don't want a Budja lynch today.
My vote prob stays on Serial.

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:40 pm

some random crap while skimming..
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 25#1997625: This post felt wierd to me, hewitt didn't fly into a rage over CSL's anti-contributive post.
Posts like these make me lean town on DLA, don't ask why:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 39#1999339
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#1999350
This also feels off, He had ignored Oj case completely...: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 489#201048
And the following gives me some doubts about hewittscum, not sure here though:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 28#2012328

I may be changing my mind on budja for the nth time. Agree with farside that most likely partner for budja is Serial and vice versa.

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:43 pm

budja wrote:I was liking Saber early on, lots of wagon hopping but very transparently with a typical Saber-chaos feel (meta).
Then he lurked and went into bet-mode.

I don't remember Sabre lurking D1

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:54 pm

I'm prepared to hammer Budja whenever, I may not be around the DL, not sure for my schedule that day.

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:00 pm

Combination of Sabre having never bussed before as scum, some of his general attitude makes me agree that he's prob town. I'm also less worried about the stats because he made an error with a correction...so he probably wasn't just copypasting.
Neto's early attitude toward DLA makes me uneasy. While his overall "attitude feel vibes" thingy feels town to me, some of his posts are just so....meh....

Yeah, all in all, between Budja Serial Dla for me.

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:33 pm

Serial, have you used that type of breadcrumbing somewhere before?

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:21 am

Poor dedicated scribe.

Oj, did you see an example of Serial using that type of breadcrumbing before? Or someone else? I'm curious how you knew what he meant.

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:01 am

Funny as hell if Neto slipped both his buddies here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 36#2002236

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:03 am

EBWOP: Oh wait, Yarmond = Kise, nvm. >.<

Ellibereth · Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:12 pm

Vote: Budja

Ellibereth · Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:42 pm

Clear to me it's btw Oj and Dla now, leaning Oj.

Ellibereth · Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:50 pm

Ojanen wrote:Wasn't expecting a farside kill.
All right guys.
The sucky reality right now is that despite universal suspicion I am not scum.
You need to let me speak before anyone quickvotes, there are things I want to say in my defence. If you won't let me do that the lose to the town among you is earned since it costs you nothing to not vote someone right away.

Also, we can either now have an endgame with 4 people and the mason claiming, or no lynch and get the information of the scum's choice and have a shot at a 3-man andgame with a mason alive.
No lynch would seem the far superior choice to me at this point.

vote: no lynch

I've gotta run right now to the airport.
I will post a bigger post tonight, unless no lynch has been hammered before.

You're assuming the mason won't get Nked...

Ellibereth · Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:14 pm

LA for a couple of days

Ellibereth · Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:07 am

I meant that one of DLA i+ Oj is the last scum.
No real time right now, sorry.

Ellibereth · Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:09 am

I still disagree with no lynch...I'm very certain Kise is town so we just have to choose btw. Oj and Dla.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:33 pm

90% certain Oj is the last one. Dla isn't sophisticated enough to pull this no kill crap.

Ellibereth · Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:57 pm

Draws are stupid.
Kise's town because of the whole shebang with Serial and I'm still decided between Oj and Dla...just like yesterday.
Dla: Has a mafia no kill occurred in any of the games you've played so far?

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:34 pm

No I'm not.

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:37 pm

Are we doing a mason claim? That means no lynch is no longer an option then.
Oj's recent posts here and in another topic is making doubt my read on her...and Neto's play at the very beginning of day 1 with respect to Dla seems eerily similar to the way he treated the Csl/Serial slot.

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:43 pm

Oh, I just remembered there was that long Serial Dla exchange D2. Should go review it.

Ellibereth · Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:10 am

DarkLightA wrote:I'm leaning towards this:

TOWN
DLA
Ojanen
Kise
Elli
SCUM

are you the mason?

Ellibereth · Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:10 am

DarkLightA wrote:I'm leaning towards this:

TOWN
DLA
Ojanen
Kise
Elli
SCUM

are you the mason?

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:25 am

hihihi, I know.
I'm the mason guyz,

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:08 am

DLA, explain the quote that Kise quoted.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:46 am

Ojanen wrote:Ha! I thought since N2 reread Elli was the mason because of D2 play but got more uncertain since D4 when farside and Kise were referencing some breadcrumb I had no idea about.
All right.
Kise, why on earth did you vote no lynch after mason claim stuff happening?
DLA, how could you think Elli was scum when me and Kise had already claimed not mason and from your perspective Elli was the only possible mason?

I'll have concrete scumhunting soon, got ideas but need to back them up by some reread.

I thought you breadcumbred that you thought it was Scigatt/Sabre.

Ellibereth · Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:57 am

I can only see those from using the quote button...

Ellibereth · Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:58 am

here we go

DLA wrote: Kise... This is stupid.

You're bringing up topics from pages back to get discussion. Scummy? Yeah.

If you'd care to re-read, which you obviously don't because you're scum, you'd see that there's something called CONTEXT:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1450

Here is a quote about what it is:
"con⋅text [kon-tekst] Show IPA
–noun
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc."

just since you apparently didn't know.

anyway, you'll see that this quote of me came from when Budja came into play. He said he saw everyone but one (Ojanen) as scummy. I say "Yeah, that's the same as with me in D1. Albert, who i saw as obv-town, and flipped mason, was the only one i trusted."

Hope this clarifies.

Ellibereth · Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:00 am

Kise wrote:Mr. Freeze: "DLA....chiiiill."

I guess it's context. Not bothering me at the moment since I just remembered there's no way you can be scum. I'll post something later today. This is more anti-proddish.

I dunt get it.

Ellibereth · Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:30 am

Okay. Would DLA have bussed/distanced Serial on his own at the beginning on D2. Probably not. My main worry right now is that Serial told DLA to bus him. Ugh.
Kise, why is there no way DLA can be scum?

Ellibereth · Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:31 pm

DarkLightA wrote:Kise, please extend on that statement.

I've got a theory, but I'm holding it until after your post.

I have a theory too.
Youre wonderfulyl confirmed town is going to wait for you guys to go first though/

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:23 am

I could see Serial telling him to bus.
Wiaitng for Oj.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:00 am

Dla, link to your scum games please.
I don't see Kisescum.

Ellibereth · Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:32 pm

DarkLightA wrote:Kise, the reason is that before I had no clue as to who was scum, but now it's quite obvious.

DLA, scum games.
Why is Oj town? Why is Kise scum?

Ellibereth · Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:16 pm

btw guys, Kise's all but confirmed town for me.
He wouldn't have no killed, convincing me to vote for either one of you two would have been a piece of cake.
Save an extremely brilliant case comnig foward. you guys (DLA and OJ) should crossvote.

Ellibereth · Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:12 pm

I'm feeling like voting DLA now just to 100% confirm Kise.

Oj's stuff all look good at a glance. Awaiting response.

Ellibereth · Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:39 pm

Vote: DLA

Kise, if you're town don't hammer kthx.

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:43 am

This is ovah: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 67#2125567
I see scum giving up!!!!

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:57 am

Temp

Unvote

Sorry Oj, need to check something real fast.

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:02 am

KISE DON'T HAMMER.

Vote: DLA

This is just to confirm Kise. Logic says DLA, my gut still points Oj tbh...

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:50 am

Unvote

Ellibereth · Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:09 pm

Kise wrote:Alright.
Unvote

No hammer yet plz Elli. Also, that was very risky man. You shouldn't put anyone in hammering range in lylo to confirm another player.

Hahaha, I was close to 100% sure you were town. I would do it again.

Still looking through...slowly...

Ellibereth · Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:51 am

I want DLA to anwser all the question directed at him.
I'll decide upon that. (Yes, I have an opionion ready...)

Ellibereth · Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:10 pm

DarkLightA wrote:And my plan, which disappeared suddenly, wasn't a plan, it was just a thing to pressure Kise. Unfortunately it backfired.

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Anyway. Remember this Kise and Elli:

The one of Ojanen and me who is town, knows that the other is scum.

That's vital.

^^^ I also think he thinks we're idiots.

DLA, ANWSER OUR QUESTIONS? PLEASE? PRETTY PLEASE?

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:55 pm

Urghal.
Same position. Too lazy to quote anything.
Gut says Oj, Logic seems to point DLA, I most likely will vote for one or the other before deadline.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:12 pm

The problem is however I look at DLA's posts, the underlying motivation still seems to be coming from town rather than scum.
It's unfortunate that the words that come out are scummy...

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:24 pm

VOTE INCOMING IN 30 MINUTES.
75% OJ
25% DLA

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:02 pm

Goddamnit, I still can't decide.
I suppose you won't tell me who'd you vote for if you have only 5 min right?

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:13 pm

Eh, just remembered Oj replaced Konowa. And I don't know what to think of the Neto-Kono stuff at the very begining either.
IIRC Serial listed Konowa as scum on his initial reread post. Have to go check that.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:14 pm

dramonic wrote:
you have a bit more time, I'm going to bed now

How long do you usually sleep?

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:19 pm

Aghwhat? There's a deadline lynch thingamajig? Is this suppose to make us more relaxed?
I'll be voting by today Kise, even if he sleeps 8 hours I have to sleep/go to school tomorrow...

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:20 pm

Kise, do you know how do the google search thing for games? Terrible time for MS search to be down and I want to see if DLA ever bussed/distanced as scum...

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:24 pm

CSL wrote:
Unvote

With that post, hewitt is either protown, or extremely skilled town. That post, as far as I know, is protown.

I'm now going for a DLA BW. Since hewitt now appears protown, as per this:

Shotty to the Body wrote:I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.

I am inclined to

Vote: DLA

HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I'm done with you, hewitt.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:24 pm

CSL wrote:
Unvote

With that post, hewitt is either protown, or extremely skilled town. That post, as far as I know, is protown.

I'm now going for a DLA BW. Since hewitt now appears protown, as per this:

Shotty to the Body wrote:I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.
I am inclined to
Vote: DLA

HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I'm done with you, hewitt.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:33 pm

Hey Dram, you still there? How long do we have?

Unvote

In case.

If we have to

wait

after it's all over I'll be...ugh...
I really want to vote for Oj right now and trust my gut...

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:34 pm

Fuck it.

Vote: Oj

Don't hammer yet, this is an extremely impulsive frustrated Ellibereth vote.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:39 pm

Kise wrote:Frustrated about what? And dram is offline now.

I don't like pressure...

Ah well, that should have shifted the person dead if we miss deadline to Oj.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:42 pm

ZAAAAAAAAAA
Kise, do you want to pile two votes on No Lynch fast then unvote? Just in case if we don't decide in the next...18 minutes,

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:48 pm

Kise wrote:Lol, that better not be AtE ^.

@Elli - I think we're going to have to let the chips fall as they may. And... just close our eyes, cross our fingers.

Unvote

Did DLA get any benefit from the No kill if he was scum?
Also, I don't think Oj would have killed Scribe earlier, I thought it would be obvious I was mason after the D2 play. DLA looks more likely to just follow Serial's word. And It probably wasn't mentioned in QT as Serial had to breadcrumb it out. And I don't think a scumbuddy would counter breadcrumb

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:49 pm

Kise wrote:Fah...
Vote: OJ

I think we it wrong.
Shoot me.

>.<

GG.

Ellibereth · Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:52 pm

SERIAL, NETO, ONE OF YOU GUYS, TELL US WHAT HAPPENED.
AND DON'T LIE.