War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

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/consoft

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Wow, so many people and I only recognize zwet.

I'd ask for reaplacement if I were you!

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@ zwet:

FAKECLAIM OR DIE

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so, healing every single person to starting health +1 seems like a gigantic waste of time, and way too many people are hiding in this discussion when they should be scumhunting.

QFT

Heal: roflcopter

Now I'm ready to hunt scum.

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Regardless of what you think of the startegy he proposes, potajo is so town, it hurts.

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right, hoopla dies right after kinetic

I'd kinda put hoopla before kinetic after the last few posts.

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WOW, potajo cracked the game wide open,

before me!!!

I think a Scummie Award is inevitable.

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Hush now. I have declared rofl town, so the matter is settled. Dissent will not be tolerated.

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The alpaca speaks the truth.

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rofl and Xyl are still town. Even if poptajo disagree with their stated strategies.

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No. Xyl and rofl are too connected with their rage to be town.

There's no rage. You're making things up.

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I concur. Xyl is also quick to come to conclusions without any evidence.

rofl and Xyl are still town.

So you think quick conclusions are scummy, eh?

Clearly you're not understanding what I'm saying AT ALL, but none of my assessments are based on the speed with which conclusions are reached.

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*facepalm*

I hate the way you do this. Really hate it. It's useless.

Day One is for dragging the scum out of their comfort zone, kicking and screaming.

Fast ball, fast ball, screwball, fast ball, change up, fast ball.

Keep them nervous and guessing.

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Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

I am.

High five!

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Waiting for someone to get on board with a Xyl hurt please. I believe my recharge is complete.

Nope.

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No...twisting words...more scumpoints. I wanted everyone healed to +1.

And as we now have learned, there's no such thing as +1 and we all wasted our heals.

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I need support to kill vIQleS within the hour.

Who's with me?

*raised hand*

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If you want to add anyone to that list, you may promptly do so.

Add Hoopla to the list, please. ViQles is such a no-brainer choice, there's not going to be enough discussion.

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DGB, thoughts on Shinnen_no_Me?

He sounds like he hates the world. His face is red, steam shoots out of his ears, and he's popping veins in his forehead.

Juls should be on the list, too.

Why WaltWishbone? I didn't even know he existed. I should check it out.

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Checked out Wishbone. He's Shinnen's nemesis.

Over-the-top agreeable and submissive.

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...approximately 16 hours ago. His lurking is inactive and indicative of absence, not willful withholding of content.

I don't even care that he may be lurking, the content of his single post is pretty damning. He's positioned himself to play the role of a poor innocent little rabbit.

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What happened between twenty minutes ago and now to remove Xyl and ViQles from your list?

His nose twitched.

He's totally his town self.

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Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.

Good catch, though not as much of a shining beacon of grovelling for mercy as WaltWishbone.

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I read ABR like a book. I have a total town read on him. I'm willing to stake my reputation on it.

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Hurt: WaltWishbone

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Scummy and noncommittal indeed. DGB, you better not jump to someone else like the squirrel with ADD you are.

Focus, focus, focus.

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Exactly. Also, instead of providing a GOOD explanation for his actions, Xyl is giving us numbers that ALL OF US ALREADY KNOW.

I don't make those calculations, so they're usuful to me.

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Is it my imagination, or are we playing this game too slowly for our own good?

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We have more than 25% of the town under normal HP. Can we please try to not let that happen again in the future?

How do you know that's not where half the scum is, too?

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i endorse the killing of shinnen and then hoopla (and then i will reexamine my case on seraphim, then poptajo etc)

I support this motion.

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i endorse the killing of shinnen and then hoopla (and then i will reexamine my case on seraphim, then poptajo etc)

I support this motion.

No you don't. You haven't done shit.

I can't do it.

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DGB I doubt the scumbags have any rage points yet.

I don't know how the rage points work, but I can't take action for a fairly large number of hours. If I could, I would have healed roflcopter.

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doh. saw that coming, but i wish you wouldn't have said it out loud dgb.

There are 5 day-talking scumbags, don't you think they would know as soon as they saw the trigger-happy DGB not hurting anyone?

Oh, the curse of the meta.

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I didn't realize the scum daytalks. That means I have to look for a completely different set of clues.

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I'd rather heal copter, but here you go.

Hurt: Shinnen

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dgb, killing shinnen is more important than healing me. i've got enough health to last a while, i can be healed after shinnen is dead.

I'm not too happy with the players that pointed out my unexpectedly gun-shy demeanor. Not happy at all.

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Actually, there's only one player that didn't think things through and pointed out my lazy trigger-finger.

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I must have a horseshoe up the wazoo, because I have learnt that someone else did exactly that.

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Mmmm...

I think I may be 'unclear on the concept.'

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I'm going to wait for a Flay tally though and see if there was any secret damage before hurting Shinnen though.

Secret damage? There's secret damage?

I was asked by ABR to hurt Shinnen to test whether I was telling the truth about my inability to inflict damage.

Now it sounds like ABR set up a trap for me.

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There is the possibility of secret damage, yes. That is what all the talk about rage points is about... -.-;

I didn't play the mini. I need to adjust to the mechanics.

Why did ABR ask me to hurt Shinnen to test whether I was telling the truth about my inability to inflict damage, if there's secret damage? I can be framed by secret damage. If he's able to inflict secret damage, then it would be really easy. No?

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You could be eliminating one facet that causes mislynches - scum manipulation. Stupidity and misguidedness are still prevelent - but that's also prevelent with scum influence in a majority situation.

Blah Blah Blah

If you'd seen as many scumteams bus'ing each other right out of the garage on Day 1 as I have, you'd see 'scum manipulation' in a completely different light. The scum's priority is to distance and to get town cred.

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What I don’t like about ABR is that he presents himself in a somewhat commanding tone. He gives directions to people. But he doesn’t necessarily follow that direction, and takes on a different direction himself. He also uses special text with his ‘hurt’, which is something that I absolutely don’t trust.

Yes, and some players mindlessly follow him. One player (Juls) even referred herself as ABR's "puppet". Needless to say, Juls is scum no matter which way you look at it. At first I thought he was town. I'm far less certain now. If Shinnen flips scum, I'll bet at least half the scum is in the list of people that ABR is pushing for the rest of us to hurt. And since Shinnen has been uber-scummy, I wouldn't be shocked if nearly all the scum was on the wagon, making sure that (1) they get a free lynch off a townie or (2) they get rid of such a loose canon buddy.

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EBWOP

What I don’t like about ABR is that he presents himself in a somewhat commanding tone. He gives directions to people. But he doesn’t necessarily follow that direction, and takes on a different direction himself. He also uses special text with his ‘hurt’, which is something that I absolutely don’t trust.

Yes, and some players mindlessly follow him. One player (Juls) even referred herself as ABR's "puppet". Needless to say, Juls is scum no matter which way you look at it. At first I thought

ABR

was town. I'm far less certain now. If Shinnen flips scum, I'll bet at least half the scum is in the list of people that ABR is pushing for the rest of us to hurt. And since Shinnen has been uber-scummy, I wouldn't be shocked if nearly all the scum was on the wagon, making sure that (1) they get a free lynch off a townie or (2) they get rid of such a loose canon buddy.

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There is the DGB we all know and love. I knew you couldn't last a day without yelling that everyone on a lynch was bussing.

This is Day 1. When have bus'ing scumbags not dominated the Day 1 agenda?

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WOOT.

Heal : rolf.

This really puts viqles.

I suspect ViqlEs is probably OK.

ABR gets NO town cred from me for tossing Shinnen under the Greyhound from the "Biggest Loser World Tour."

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Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.

I could bet all my money that there is no scum in that list.

Funny, I would bet ABR is the scum. There's no way Shinnen didn't bother with distancing.

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Considering how fast Shinnen become pressured it can be a possibility...

You read my mind.

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Scum team:

Shinnen
WaltWishbone
ABR
Hoopla

You heard it here first. I'm looking forward to that standing ovation at end game.

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I forgot Juls. Juls is scum.

Thank you, my adoring crowd!

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Actually, considering how early scummy and how inevitable was Shinnen lynch I think the majority of scum (2-3 mafiosi) bussed her (intensity depends of the meta of the player). The rest (1-2,

namely, WaltWishbone

) prob had a neutral stance on her.

fixed.

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Oh yes, and taking into consideration the meta of the player, ABR is another slam dung scumbag.

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She tried to, though.

She only tried because someone asked her to prove she couldn't.

I wasn't hurting anyone because I put myself out of commission. I found someone scummy who was evading attention.

There's nothing I love more than to help scum bus each other. I cheated myself out of a beautiful opportunity.

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People fighting for credit for Shinnen's lynch get 3 scum points each from me.

WaltWishbone cannot post anything but obvious scumtells. He should be displayed in a glass case in a scumtell museum.

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... enlighten me with your wisdom Toaster.

Sure, I caught ABR bus'ing a buddy, so now he's defending you, so that I don't catch him bus'ing again.

Hey who are you anyway to know my alt?

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I disagree with lynching Walt.

What protown things has he done?

Nothing protown at all. I totally do not trust ABR. ABR must die.

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I'm calling q21 as buddies with WaltWishbone.

Where does that fit in with ABR and his self-proclaimed puppet Juls?

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Hurt: Juls

The only thing she's done is give a lame excuse for following the crowd "like a puppet"

Noooo... worse still... she didn't say she was following the crowd... she says she was following ABR like a puppet.

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You dont remember me, we just played the game Destructor modded a few months ago Lovers multiball (it was a three month game)... I thought for sure you remembered me.

With that same avatar? I'm senile.

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ABR must die.

The last person who said that is today's lynch.

Is this OMGUS or are you afraid to die?

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Look at this shit:

With that same avatar? I'm senile.

DGB isn't even reading the thread. Why should anyone trust her?

We're talking about another game, turkey.

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Go ahead and hurt me out if you want. 32 pages in a week is entirely too fast for me. I am simple town Cherub so you won't be losing much. Until then I will continue to follow ABR until some people are weeded out.

ABR, do you have someone I need to hurt/heal?

Let me guess, ABR is going to declare you're town and shouldn't be hurt.

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...votes for me with bullshit excuses of me bussing.

Where's that big bad vote of mine that's scaring you, little bird?

Scumbags always hate it when I nail them with my 'crap reasons.'

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Kill me if you must...I am a cherub. When I die, look at ABR and see his towniness. Make MY death be his confirmation. He will be of more use to you.

The only way your death will help confirm ABR in my mind is if you come up scum.

I agree, conditional on there being only one scumgroup.

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And I'm waiting for some smartass comment from DGB for saying that it would be better for her to contribute to discussion. Frankly, I don't have the energy to deal with this bumbling idiot next door. I am ignoring her from this post until she writes something of value.

^^^^

ABR is going home crying booboo like a good little caught scum.

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I know what ABR is like as scum. And he's just like that.

OK...believe what you will...kill me and then leave ABR alone when you see that I am town.

Hey Xyl. I'm trying to deconstruct this amazing sentence, but it's giving me a brain hernia. What do you come up with?

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He changed his avatar in this thread, after like 3 posts about it. You obviously missed it because your head is so far up your big butt.

I guess the mindless banter was not committed to my long range memory bank.

You've been caught, ABR. Thank you for bus'ing Shinnen.

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You claimed earlier that you could read ABR like a book and that he was town. Since you ignored me the first time I'll ask again, why the about face on ABR?

That was my first impression. But this changed radically. As evidence gathers, I don't hold on to quick early game judgments.

I have to leave to play badminton soon, but I'll make a complete knock out case tomorrow.

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I don't know how to stop my lynch, particularly when hurt comes from players not even trying - but I'll be dead quite soon, so I'm going to try and post some final thoughts in the hope my words mean something when I'm gone. Don't finish me just yet!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
town reaction

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You shouldn't necessarily but you shouldn't try to hang him because of me. When I come up town you will know that my motivations were pure. Then, if you find him scummy at least it will be for the right reasons.

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scum reaction

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Zwet is still a better lynch for me because he hurt another player without consent of the town and zero backing.

That player was Juls, ABR's ever-obedient puppet. I'm thinking Juls may be ABR's buddy, and he's threatening her in the QT. As scum, ABR likes to play as a SURVIVOR and he has no scruples mowing each and everyone of his buddies down if they fail to obey. Knowing that, it's not a stretch to conclude that Juls fears you'll go nuts on her and lose the game for your team unless he grovels, pays tribute and homage to her puppet master.

Zwet's move was so-so strategically speaking, but his target was a good one. He should not allow himself to be bullied. No one should.

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That's bullshit. I play as a team. I even put my team members before me as demonstrated in Real Time Mafia where I was scum.

Those are not my observations at all. Quite the contrary.

Did I hit a nerve with what's going on with your little puppet Juls? I know I'm spot on. Can't wait 'til end game.

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Evidence please.

I will be able to point to it in a few days. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You will be exposed. Why don't you acknowledge your propensity to play scum as a survivor now, to spare yourself the humiliation of having been caught in a huge misrepresentation?

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I am no one's puppet.

I will not be browbeaten.

I resist all attempts at intimidation.

I am not a pushover.

No one bullies me.

ABR is scum.

I will write my case tomorrow. It's sleepy time for now.

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Case on ABR.

PART 1

Not all scumtells are in the Wiki. I'm know I'm going to have a hard time convincing people, but it was strong enough for me to be the catalyst event that changed my view from ABR-town to ABR-scum. See, you can fake your town meta only so long until your scum slip starts showing.

ABR demanded that I prove my inability to hurt, and I complied. Then I found out that players can hurt in secret. I was alarmed, because it felt like a set up. If the scum put a hurt on me, then it would appear as if I lied. I would expect ABR town to apologize, or at least mention this casually as an error on his part. But he did not. He totally ignored it. From that moment it became clear to me that he was very cavalier about the possibility of townies dying over false pretenses. And that was the turning point for me.

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PART 2

Fishing for Ophanim and bringing attention to them in a negative way.

Ophanim are less likely to hurt/heal as they observe because observations put them out of action for 72 hours.

I think all Ophanim will agree with me on this one.

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PART 3

Juls the puppet.

ABR is prone to threatening and terrorizing his buddies in night talk much worse than what you see in game. He plays the game to be the last scum alive, not to win for the team.

So Juls' attitude of doing anything ABR commands her to do, total lack of critical thinking, and saying she doesn't have much time for this game, doesn't sit well at all with me. She sounds like a coping mechanism for a player that fears that ABR will lose the game for the team if she disagrees with him in-thread.

I'm fully aware that my case isn't the whole bunch of regular cookie-cutter, 'don't have to think' scumtells that we're usually being fed.

I hope that, minimally, the town will grow a spine and let a single player control the game. Because that player is scum. You'll believe me later.

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Also, has ABR apologized or admitted he is wrong any time?

He ignored the whole disaster. Swept it under the rug. A normal person would show some sign of embarrassment. From ABR, a simple mention that demanding that players show their inability to hurt, when other players can do secret hurt, is not a valid strategy. It was as if he doesn't want the town to play smart.

Also, a town with half a brain would have picked up on ABR's failure, and grown a pair.

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I dont understand you, DGB. You say ABR is scum for setting you a "trap" that only 5 years old would fall for and for his relations with "this game is too much for me" Juls, even when his meta tells he is town?

No. I'm saying he's scum for not acknowledging he's giving the town dangerous advice.

I'm saying he scared the living daylights out of poor Juls in the QT.

Thanks for twisting my words, pop. Tell me the truth, were you laughing and typing?

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DGB, any more chapters to your case for me to tear apart? Your Milquetoast approach to lynching me is really falling flat here.

My primary goal is for people to make up their own minds.

First, because you don't want to have a scumbag in the game's driver's seat, and second, because it's hard to find scumtells in a flock of sheep.

You're totally scum in my book, but I realize that I have insights into your psychology that others don't, and therefore, convincing the sheeple is probably a losing battle.

You have not torn my arguments apart, you have twisted them. For instance, you shone the spotlight on every possible ophan.

But I'm no sheep, and there's at least one player with her eyes wide open, staring at you.

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Updated mutton list

SHEEP

Seprahim
q21
Cybele-WLC
Nuwen
Xyl
Rolf
Kinetic
Fonz

Sheepish

Walt
Juls

Submissive

zwet
Drench
Giusepee

Hoopla

- R.I.P.

Mindless followers

Tenchi
viqles

Shinne

- YEAH, BABY.

fixed.

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Does this make sense to you Weyouns?

ABR is prone to threatening and terrorizing his buddies in night talk much worse than what you see in game. He plays the game to be the last scum alive, not to win for the team.

So Juls' attitude of doing anything ABR commands her to do, total lack of critical thinking, and saying she doesn't have much time for this game, doesn't sit well at all with me. She sounds like a coping mechanism for a player that fears that ABR will lose the game for the team if she disagrees with him in-thread.

I will very soon be in a position to prove my assertions beyond a shadow of a doubt. And you know exactly what point I'm talking about.

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I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

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I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

Yes, he prob is. That doesnt mean he is town, though.
Wait, when?

Couple of RL days ago. I realize this doesn't bear on his alignment, but I did receive a result saying that ViQlEs was gazing on another player.

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I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

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I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

Can you tell me the exact word?

GAZE

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Have a hurt coming up in about 40 minutes...what can I do to assist you ABR?

I thought the theme was angels, not zombies.

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...and quashing anyone who stands up against you as scummy and the next person on your list to kill.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly with me. Too much power in the hands a of SMALL group of players is not how I play. I do want more consensus, ESPECIALLY on mislynches.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We're never going to find scum if the dynamics make it easy for scum to hide under the skirts of a few players that make rash judgments with limited information. If those players contain scum, we're really fried.

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I do want more mislynches, ESPECIALLY ones with consensus.

Fixed.

They are more informative than mislynches full of Juls-like slaves.

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^Major overreaction^

What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...

The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.

You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.

Your alias is Seraphim. Expect confusion.

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Just look at how lurkers like Drench and Juls are getting free passes! What a disaster!

Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

They're still alive.

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Maybe

you

should be pressuring them to contribute, then.

I've been on Juls' case, have I not? But you're right, I should pay more notice of Drench. Is he hypnotized or comatose?

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Yet, on the FIRST lynch, You, Fonz, Rofl, and ABR danced and claimed responsibly for killing Shinnen like it was all you guys.

No.

Call intent to hurt Kinetic

I will take this as my charge.

Hurt: Kinetic

I thought the theme was angels, not BDSM roleplay.

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heal: Kinetic

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Actually, my heal won't count until 9:42. I'll do it again then.

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I want to strangle Juls. Is that normal?

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How come Juls has no damage????????????????????????????????

Seriously.

That's an outrage.

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I want to strangle Juls. Is that normal?

At this point, and considering its you, I'd say its par for the course.

Yes, but doctor, it's much worse. Like Wile E. Coyote wants to do with the Road Runner, I don't want to kill her for food, I want to blow her up into unrecognizable subatomic particles.

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Not this year

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Wishbone pretty much 'fessed scum to Xyl, though.

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I'm torn between hurting Wishbone, healing Kinetic, and setting the phazers on 'kill' for Juls.

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I can't hold it in anymore.

disembowel: Juls
steal boyfriend: Juls
draw and quarter: Juls
waterboard: Juls
taser: Juls
move in with scam artist: Juls
put hand in toaster: Juls
smallpox: Juls
administer cyanide: Juls
supercollide: Juls
orca eat: Juls
triumph against in drinking game: Juls
burn at stake: Juls
vampire attack: Juls
send to Chinese jail: Juls
voodoo doll: Juls
woodchipper: Juls
date zwet: Juls
forge checks: Juls
varnish: Juls
catscratch: Juls
leave to rot: Juls
beat at chess: Juls
fall into volcano: Juls

And now for the anticlimactic conclusion:

hurt: Juls

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The reason I'm suggesting it is because some players (ABR, Julz, Rofl) have skipped the "finish off phase" and have gone directly to begin killing me.

I'm sorry I let you down with that heal, but the urge to

hurl vomit with lots of corn kernels: Juls

overwhelmed me completely.

I'll reconsider in 24 hours...

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Its understandable. I'm more afraid of rofl realizing he could have outed himself by pushing wishbone (if wishbone does flip town) and him going for broke trying to kill me before we learn about it.

Can you explain that again, this time, with the assumption that I have a IQ of 12?

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OK, I follow what you're saying. It's largely conjecture, but something to *cough*

cover with mayonnaise: Juls

*cough cough* look back upon once we have more data.

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I really dont think Walt is obvscum. Do you?

I'd agree with you if Walt hadn't claimed scum. I guess I'd rather keep a claimed scum alive than a hypnotized monkey like Juls. I know, I know. It's catty.

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With townies like [Xyl] who needs to worry about scum?

Isn't he admitting to knowledge of Xyl's alignment?

kick in the shin: Juls

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I really dont think Walt is obvscum. Do you?

I'd agree with you if Walt hadn't claimed scum. I guess I'd rather keep a claimed scum alive than a hypnotized monkey like Juls. I know, I know. It's catty.

Did he?

See post 1312 immediately above.

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With townies like [Xyl] who needs to worry about scum?

Isn't he admitting to knowledge of Xyl's alignment?

kick in the shin: Juls

Isnt he being sarcastic?

He could have been just as sarcastic using the word 'player' instead of 'townie.'

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I know what you mean pop, but every time I read that sentence, I hiccup.

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Kay, if there is consensus then I dont have anything else to say other than the case on Walt is weak and that there has to be a way to optimize him regardless of alignment.

I was looking at Juls' posts and she was tunneling on Xyl pretty hard until she signed her freedom over to ABR.

Looks like she's trying to narrow her linkage to other players. And of course, there's my theory that ABR has been terrorizing her in the QT.

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I thought you wanted Walt to die DGB. Why are you attacking other players?

I succumbed to reptilian instincts that overrode the signals from my frontal cortex.

Whassamatta, ABR, protecting your little slave now?

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I don't see a correlation. There's like, 16 peaks, so that chances are great that a spike will occur right at, or after RP's.

Eyeballing, only 2 of the seven points are clearly associated with a spike. Three seem associate with a decline, and the rest are ambiguous.

There doesn't even seem to be a weekend vs. weekday correlation.

All it shows is that potajo really cares about this game and finding scum in it. That makes him town. From now on I will be poptartajo's puppet/slave.

***just kidding***

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kinetic begging for heals is mega epic scummy

I'm not sure why, but it didn't look like he was about to be lopped off, so I didn't do it, but I want to reward INDEPENDENT thinkers.

...is now playing the "i'm too mad at juls to think" card, has me really put off

Is it so wrong to want another player completely obliterated?

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Wishbone will be dead today, I'm sure.

Out of Juls, Kinetic , Xylthixlm, and zwetschenwasser (3 damage each), I really want to keep zwet (he's using his tiny cricket brain to the fullest extent, sometimes posting word counts up to low double-digits), Kinetic (he has cojones and can stand on them), and Xyl (he's a bit off buy I've been scum with him and I don't think he's scum). I really, really want to bite Jul's head off like Ozzy on a bat. Her tunneling on Xyl for crap reasons early game, her silence on any player other than Xyl, and her slavish echo of ABR's actions is too much for me to bear.

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I'm not sure why, but it didn't look like he was about to be lopped off, so I didn't do it, but I want to reward INDEPENDENT thinkers.

what about my hurting of kinetic didn't seem independent to you?

Why do you imagine that I said you weren't thinking for yourself?

Is it so wrong to want another player completely obliterated?

in the face of another wagon thats nearly at its conclusion which you seem to have been in support of not so long ago, and with absolutely no help from other players, yes it is[/quote]Wishbone can die. And he will, in all likelihood, die today. I only had one hurt in the bank, and I wanted to lock in on Juls. She's scum.

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In that game the scum rage dump was week 4... let's try to have already won by then.

thats my plan. people listening to kinetic's beg for heals campaign would set my plan back a little bit.

Oh, I get what you're saying.

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because your reward of INDEPENDENT thinker kinetic is going directly against my action of hurting him

I disagree with hurting Kinetic with ABR/Juls obvscum roaming free.

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I also disagree with hurting Xyl or zwet.

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so voice your disagreement. healing him would be incredibly, blatantly against the town's best interests.

I just did.

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...or we're gonna have a serious problem, you and me

Is that a threat? You're sounding like ABR.

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I feel like Kinetic is town, but not strongly enough to heal him instead of hurting someone else.

Yeah, that was my final decision too

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for the purposes of this game, yes

in terms of how much i love you outside of this game, of course not

Haha, OK, as long as we're clear. <3

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Actually, while I was told that ViQleS was watching, I wasn't told WHO he was watching. Not sure how that would help scum at all.

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Xyl can I see a hurt count?

Once again, I walked into the BDSM chat room. Where's the mafia game?

blast into orbit: Juls

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And I still want to know why Juls is "leaning town".

She's handcuffed and leather strapped in the middle of the town square, leaning against a post.

whip: Juls

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No...get over yourself tajo. You don't control everything.

Now now tajo, don't you know who controls 100% of Juls' mind?

mummify: Juls

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I'm sorry. I know Xyl's scum meta and trust me: Xyl is not scum in this game. DGB will confirm this. I will confirm this. If he was scum, he would be lurking a lot more and hurting/voting with a lot less reasoning.

I agree for different reasons. If he were scum, he'd be like a chess master playing against a class of preschoolers, he'd be 10 steps ahead in the plotting department.

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Ah, this is the point of the game where distinct factions form, and the town members of each get killed off by the other.

Lurkerhunt anyone?

lurker execute: Juls

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True. Now, who else is actually lurking? I remember tenchi saying he couldn't post for a week. (!) Don't recall q21 posting as much lately.

Juls is scum, we can do lurkers immediately after her funerals.

I will wear a tutu and dance on her scummy grave.

close coffin: Juls

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You know, DGB, one of these days, you're going to be right on one of your crusades.

This might be The One. Help me.

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Can you fakehurt Juls with a Matrix theme? That would be so cool.

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Seeing that I just helped kill 2 of the 5 female scummers in this game, and most of the other players refer to her as "him", I don't think my comment had anything to do with defending Juls with her sex.

I can't believe how many times I've accidentally walked into that BDSM role play chat room. Can you guys put a sign on the door? Thanks ahead.

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Hurt Swet

I really don't think zwet is scum. There is no positive evidence of him being scum.

Also, the number of times that ARB has called intent to hurt someone and never followed through is starting to get to me.

Nice catch.

q21 is gut wrenchingly town.

Juls and ABR are scumbuddies. People that can't see that, are hung up on 'wikitells.' They should open their eyes to less conventional, and sometimes unique tells. Think beyond the wiki.

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Seeing as my new hurt against Juls didn't count...

Mine will! Woo-hoo!

melt: Juls
declare financial ruin: Juls
deep fry: Juls
flesh eating disease: Juls
mouse trap: Juls
can't open parachute: Juls
not in Kansas anymore: Juls
wilt: Juls
raise cholesterol: Juls
turn to stone: Juls
mow: Juls

and since the above doesn't seem like quite enough:

hurt: Juls

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Xyl, Kinetic, zwet and Firestarter should NOT be on this list.

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So, Juls is scum why?

I'll be delighted to explain it once more. I'll increase the level of detail.

In her first 12 posts, she starts off participating, but mostly IIoA, chiming in lightly on strategy, nothing deep. She quickly zeroes in on Xyl (who leans town in my book), and Kinetic (who leans firmly town in my book). She says nothing else on any other player. She's very stingy with her opinions and suspicions. She's not a carefree scum hunter, she's calculating each move to give herself out as little as possible.

In keeping with this strategy of not giving oneself away one iota, and meekly pushing non-cases against the wrong players, she switches gears in post #13 and she becomes ABR's zombie. This relieves her of any responsibility in her hurt choices, and completely obliterates any possible scumtell on her, that doesn't also taint ABR, and taint ABR to a greater extent than it does her.

So. If ABR is town, she made herself into ABR's Kuato (Total Recall movie reference), and intends for him to take the fall while she plays innocent follower. She may also try to avoid attracting ABR's attention in a negative way at the same time, so if ABR is town, she's hitting two birds with one stone. Maybe ABR is being Kuato'd by Juls, haha. I like that. It's a new verb.

If ABR is scum, then my theory is that they've had some tiff in the QT, and she decided to obey him under threat.

Regardless of ABR's alignment, she's scummy all the way. More so than ABR.

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Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Do it please.

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Xyl, Kinetic, zwet and Firestarter should NOT be on this list.

Im thinking that Juls shouldnt be in this list also.

I'm thinking you don't want anyone lynched, hahahhaha.

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Alright, I'll be willing to lay off of Juls(as I'm somewhat convinced, though I still wish she would at least defend herself a little better) if you can name another viable suspect right now that I can hurt.

Nooooooooooooooo read my case. Don't listen to pop. He's becoming soft in his old age. Pop is thinking everyone is town.

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I understand this but all this behavior is also ext possible to come from a player that has no time.

No. I've seen plenty of players that are busy and post scantily. That's not what they do. They don't Kuato other players (I had to use it again ), and they express more opinions. They spend less time complaining about being persecuted.

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LOL, you have no idea how many mislynches I have prevented.

That's easy to do, since the majority of players are town, especially early on. The odds are heavily stacked in your favor, even if your 'mislynch saves' are randomely chosen.

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for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out

Wikitells.

ABR is more guilty of all the above anyway.

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I fully support mega-hurts on Juls and ABR.

Kinetic is town.

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for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out

Wikitells.

which invalidates them how?

It's just a list. A list is not a case.

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its lining up mislynches

Unless it's lining up scumlynches.

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Note that ABR spent all day 1 bus'ing Shinnen heavily and bossing everyone around, and now he's just coasting, feet up on the dinner table, Juls-slave in tow.

That's so NOT a townie portrait.

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NEWS BRIEF

Poptartajo's scumdar is broken. The parts are back order until October 2014.

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Put a sock in it [...] is just retarded.

Nuwen is brazenly town. I'm liking this.

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As of this minute I am no longer ABRs puppet if I am not dead.

So, you need a super-mega-hurtwagon to stop being his puppet? Did you ask for his permission first?



Sorry. It's a desperate last ditch effort to survive.

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7 pages in and I have one suspect that every single post is scummy and that person is Tenchi. I will go ahead and hurt him

Hurt: Tenchi

In case I get killed off. Seriously...read his posts in isolation. More to come later (if I live).

I see what you did, you hurried up to use up a hurt on a middling player after reading only 7 pages. Fake participation much?

DIE SCUM DIE

steamroll: Juls

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Kinetic should NOT have 6 damage. It's an outrage.

Also, Juls should be dead as a doornail.

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All the Kinetic hurts are largely from copter, with a few from ABR and Juls???

That's ridiculous. I protest.

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If Juls is dead by tomorrow morning, I'll hurt Rampage.

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Cherubs have 9 HP. No?

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Xyl is most guilty for this imo.

On pages 1-7?

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I can't heal until tomorrow morning. And there's the urgent matter of setting fire to the BDSM puppet theater. Would tomorrow morning be too late?

Your hurt on Juls will kill her. I approve.

If you die a townie, you will be avenged.

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Juls is "caught up" to page 7. That was enough to hurt Tenchi and surrender her hurt completely to ABR.

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You tunnel-visioned on one player, hurt him without reasoning in concert with dgb, and seem happy about it.

copter tunneling on Kinetic isn't worth a notice?

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I'll be happy to go down hurting scum like dgb, you, giusepe.

The people that don't sheepishly acquiescence to you?

But you defend Juls.

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This lasted....10 pages?

It doesn't matter how many pages... what matters is how many hurts he inflicted.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH

Now it really sounds like you might have bus'ed Shinnen for town cred. WWB was scummy.

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Xyl, there's no reasoning with ABR, he's scum. He needs to survive real bad. He'll say anything, ignore facts, the usual death rattle of scum going down.

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That still depends because if I can get more people that want to heal me than hurt me, then you can't touch me.

I thought we weren't supposed to heal, haha.

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@ Kinetic - when can you next use an action, hurt/heal?

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I had every intentions of playing this game to my fullest ability but the pace was just entirely too fast. I had no idea it would be 70 pages in one week. Come on...how can you guys NOT think that is too excessive to keep up with for someone who has work, school, a child, other games....?

That's all fine, except you handled the situation like a good little scum, and we caught you.

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@ Kinetic - when can you next use an action, hurt/heal?

I think not until tomorrow afternoon. I need to check, I want to say around Noon today is when I last used it to Heal Walt before he was killed.

Alright. I'll consider giving you my heal tomorrow morning, unless someone else does it first.

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You hurt me even though Xyl had an intent to heal on me. You're not playing by your own rules.

No outrage to be had. Scum does what scum does. We just have to kill him, that's all.

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But the thing is Kinetic, none of your so-called defenders want to heal you.

I WILL

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I will heal Kinetic, despite my overwhelming urge to dedicate my hurt to ABR.

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You rather just proclaim me scum, like they did with Walt, without any evidence?

The case against Wishbone was stronger than the case against Shinnen, despite the outcomes.

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It seems to me, Albert, you seem to be appropriating, and advocating, whichever part of whichever system seems most likely to keep you alive.

ABSOLUTELY.

This is the crux of the matter of ABR's scumminess.

ABR plays to survive, yes, as SCUM. His buddies are bowling pins. I can see it at work, Shinnen was his first victim. Maybe they disagreed in the QT. Then Juls learnt a lesson.

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May I take this as one of the two sanctions I want to hurt zwet again?

I'm against hurting zwet.

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Kinetic, it's hugely unlikely that you'll be healed enough, unless there's a coalition of players in favor of it. I certainly would could myself as part of this coalition.

Any volunteers?

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Here's why we should hurt zwet. Zwet has been far less scummy, than, say, ABR, or some other player of your choice. Since you're very unlikely to create a concensus to take zwet to the lynch, hurting him can only make it easier for the scum to take him down, if zwet is town.

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Here's why we

should

hurt Zwet, DGB?

I meant NOT hurt zwet. Sorry about that.

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I'm hurting ABR or Kinetic later today.

I support the ABR hurt.

I will heal Kinetic within the hour.

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Did you not see his fabricated argument with ABR?

I'd agree with you if the arguments with ABR was a binary contest between Kinetic and ABR. Kinetic seems very nervous that the SCUM will kill him, and that seems genuine and not fake at all. Kinetic's activity profile fits that of a player that refuses to come down without taking scum along for the ride. That's why I feel so strongly that Kinetic is town.

ABR on the other hand, is just plain scum.

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... this. Complete disregard for any kind of plan the town may have.

It's still not scummy. We need a balance between the town's plan, and players doing what they truly believe in. Zwet isn't upsetting that balance.

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Heal:Kinetic

Target is dead, and you're too early. Flay

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I am sorry Juls. I am sorry Albert. Albert I have nothing left to accuse you of, but I will keep attacking you because of personal reasons

.

I see.

I see that you are trying to rub off some fake credibility out of her flipping town. Not working.

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you are a worse mafia player than me. Yes, this really does feel good.

No one watches battles between bottom feeding creatures. They're ugly, warty and camouflage brown, and the water they live in is murky and sour.

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You see dgb, that is the difference between you and I. The players who think I'm town are articulate, very intelligent people, who are busy with their lives.

Touché, Kinetic and Xyl are such drooling retards, how did that slip my mind? You win.

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Julz's flip helped your case. That being said I still feel DGB is more than likely town.

Flipping town helped Juls' case, but she's dead.

It doesn't help ABR's case, because, as Xyl says, his skin and personal prestige is more important than his team, and the game as a whole. ABR's

modus operandi

is very simple. Players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded. There's zero scum hunting in that. Just scum getting their way.

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The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behavior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...

Well said. But as I said above, "players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded."

He's not scumhunting at all. It's just a game of getting support in order to manipulate people into bulldozing his agenda through. You don't need to do that if you agenda is a town agenda, because we all put our heads together, we discuss, we draw ideas from others, and we hope, collectively, to make the right choice.

No discussion is needed to pursue a scum agenda. You and your scumpals already know who is town. You don't need to seek other players' insights. All you need is their consent and cooperation in killing townies.

And what better way to get people on board than to massively bus your buddy on Day 1?

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...without contradicting his prior statements

HAHAHA the answer is 'no,' he can't do it without contradicting himself, and he's not going to do it! He's been contradicting himself on every page.

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The ONLY thing that adds to my prestige is killing me some scum. Seeing how dumb you look does procure me a lot of enjoyment though

Sounds like you know I'm town, scum.

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Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.

Hey, I dunno, did you terrorize her in the QT?

You get no points for this.

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So have you, or did you forget when you proclaimed that I was town.

Hey, new information, new mind.

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dgb claims:

I only attack the people who attack me first.

I prove:

I attacked someone who didn't attack me first.

An exception does not invalidate a rule.

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No. Juls was not a lurker. You can say she didn't give opinions of her own, but she was posting, and hurting.

She was Kuato'ing ABR 100%, then read 7 pages and decided to hurt Tenchi. Just summin' up her performance.

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Hmmm. Uh oh. An actual case on me. Looks like my poor play has finally surfaced and someone that isn't rofl is posting a case. Since I'll be dead soon, I'm free to answer any questions about any player at any time.

Give us as scum vs. town list please.

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town

scum xyl would also not be this passive

fixed.

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intent to hurt viq

Nooooooooo...

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Viq is using his ability. Unless I'm missing something, scum has no reason to use this ability.

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Viq is using his ability. Unless I'm missing something, scum has no reason to use this ability.

See? Supporting viq because he suspects me.

It's all about Yoooouuuuuuuuu.... center of the universe...

A lot of people suspect you. A lot of people suspect a lot of people.

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Gah! My heal was off by a few minutes, but I thought I was over an hour into it. I used the time stamp from my first Juls hurt instead of the second.

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It doesn't matter; DGB's heal was crossed out with "Target is dead", so Kinetic was dead there either way.

That's good to know, at least, I didn't waste my action on a corpse.

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There's at least one chess player on the scumteam.

Really? What's so 'check' about killing Kinetic? I was just going to look up really dumb players as possible scum.

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The fact that they tried to beat your recharge...

It doesn't matter because I screwed up my timestamp, but with hindsight, I should not have announced my intent to heal so heavily. Perhaps the better strategy is not to announce at all.