War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

***cue music***

Darkness immediately falls as the Angel of Rampage rises into the black sky. The elevated figure materializes his giant Scythe of Blood into his right fist. He holds it high like a trophy of God.

'Neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet!'

And the angel dives. As the forceful winds of heaven scurry uncontrollably in all directions, the Scythe of Blood comes crashing down on Shinnen.

Hurt Shinnen

[Nuwen]

I'm entertaining the thought of a scumteam comprised of the following players:

Seraphim
Drench
DGB
Shinnen_no_Me

Unvote ViQles

It really looks like you're either fishing for support, or trying to see who's malleable enough to play Follow-the-ABR.

What happened between twenty minutes ago and now to remove Xyl and ViQles from your list?

[DrippingGoofball]

What happened between twenty minutes ago and now to remove Xyl and ViQles from your list?

His nose twitched.

He's totally his town self.

[q21]

At least I'm committing to a kill.

Hence, 'fairly well' not 'perfectly'.

[Nuwen]

...approximately 16 hours ago. His lurking is inactive and indicative of absence, not willful withholding of content.

I don't even care that he may be lurking, the content of his single post is pretty damning. He's positioned himself to play the role of a poor innocent little rabbit.

So what do you make of Cybele's brief posting history, of which the most substantial non-theory post is:

Ok, I wasn't really seeing it before, but ABR's summarized case against Kinetic is convincing.

Vote: Kinetic

Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.

[Seraphim]

Tajo, could we have one of those fake votecount things?

[DrippingGoofball]

Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.

Good catch, though not as much of a shining beacon of grovelling for mercy as WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.

Good catch, though not as much of a shining beacon of grovelling for mercy as WaltWishbone.

I agree with

Yosarian2

DrippingGoofball.

[Hoopla]

Really don't like this. Its scummy and manipulative.

ABR; in this post q21 accuses your play as scummy, which draws this response from you;

Check out Friends and Enemies

where I prevented a mason getting killed night 1, and got two scum lynched up until my own unfortunate demise. All this by outing my own mason partner and threatening the town to reveal the third if they didn't lynch who I wanted (scum).

Or Final Fantasy Mafia,

where I fake-counter-claimed a daycop fakeclaim by a vanilla townie. I successfully got this townie lynched before he could get another vanilla townie lynched, and then get himself lynched because the person he claimed was scum, was in fact town. I went on to kill the real scum day 2.

Or again, in Fire Emblem Mafia

, where I manipulated a player that had the ability to give a 1-shot vig into giving it to me, because I wanted the scum to kill me that night so I could activate my ability as a death motivator. I also got 2 of the scum this way (by figuring out how the scum would react to my pulling of the strings).

Point being,

I play a complicated game

. Mafia is a game of manipulation after all.

You link us to three town games where your erratic play helped catch scum - and although you don't explicitly state it flat out, you're using your town meta to justify anything that can be construed as scummy.

--

Then, in the games you just linked me -

as scum

you make similar references to your playstyle, using that as an excuse for dominating, and otherwise anti-town play. Here is an example;

Plus, I always play by leading the town:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 765#631765

Source

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Here's my conclusion - stop trying to lead the town and make it look pro-town when it isn't. Unnecessary manipulation is something only scum need to worry about. You seem to be using deliberate erratic/anti-town tactics and then justifying it by your meta. It's an ugly circle that is time-consuming and frustrating to get the core of. Your playstyle isn't helpful.

[Seraphim]

ABR:

1. Why did you switch your attack so quickly?

2. Why is Shinnen scum?

Unvote

for now.

[q21]

Post 283 by Hoopla makes a very good point.

Unvote hoopla, vote ABR

[DrippingGoofball]

I read ABR like a book. I have a total town read on him. I'm willing to stake my reputation on it.

[roflcopter]

guys, how are people missing this

the most obvious scum at this moment are hoopla and seraphim.

seraphim is textbook active lurking and following the most popular notion. its ridiculous.

i still don't like the anti viq stuff, seems stupid

abr is the most obviously town here

hurt: seraphim

[DrippingGoofball]

Hurt: WaltWishbone

[Seraphim]

It should be noted that DGB, ABR, and rofl are all attacking different players despite the numerous calls for town consensus.

Remember that by hurting a player, you are endorsing their death. Unlike votes, which can be taken back, health is not so easily replenished.

[roflcopter]

It should be noted that DGB, ABR, and rofl are all attacking different players despite the numerous calls for town consensus.

Remember that by hurting a player, you are endorsing their death. Unlike votes, which can be taken back, health is not so easily replenished.

waaaa

more seraphim hurts plz

[q21]

@ roflcopter 287.

I agree about hoopla and seraphim, I disagree on ABR.

[populartajo]

WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?
We dont random hurt anyone that could be town and we dont start healing him when its too late and you realize, omg he could be town.
General consensus in votes(number required for a lynch) = massive hurting. Nobody heals anyone besides the mass healing I proposed earlier.
You wanna know something? Read the other game. There were people like you. People like you were the reason why town lost the game the other time. RANDOM HURTING IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?

[populartajo]

Next people that hurts anyone for whatever stupid reason should be hurted to death.

[populartajo]

It should be noted that DGB, ABR, and rofl are all attacking different players despite the numerous calls for town consensus.

Remember that by hurting a player, you are endorsing their death. Unlike votes, which can be taken back, health is not so easily replenished.

waaaa

more seraphim hurts plz

Seraphim is town, duh.

[Kinetic]

Whoa! Three separate hurts is bad... that being said I don't have good reads on any of the players, not enough to heal any of them.

Shinnen_no_Me / Xylthixlm / vIQleS

I support attacks on Shinnen and Xiq, but I'm still unsure on Xyl. Unsure enough that I won't support an attack on him.

I'm thinking the pushers for attacks are right. Once we have decided on a "lynch" can we at least agree that it isn't a bad thing to heal the other players if there is a lot of harm going around?

If we want a consensus, why not state once someone has 33% in votes (which at this point would be 6 or 7) we can begin harming them. Frome there they should die in a day or two...

Unvote all

Vote: Shinnen/Viq

[populartajo]

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

[populartajo]

The alpaca speaks the truth.

Oh Yeah? And why did you hurt someone else?

Vote: DGB.

[Hoopla]

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
In all scenarios PEOPLE HURTING WHOEVER THINK THEY ARE SCUM are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game
THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE USED THE VOTING SYSYEM

Spread the word!

[populartajo]

Votecount.

10 to massive hurting

Rolf 4 (Hoopla, Tenchi, Shinen, Nuwen)
Xyl 4 (viqles, zwet, Drench, Juls)
Shinnen 3 (Fonz, Tajo, ABR
Kinetic. 3(Shinnen, Cybele, rolf)
Hoopla 1(Tenchi)
Viqles 2 (Kinetic, Nuwen)
Cybele 1 (Kinetic)
ABR 2 (Hoopla, q21
Walwishbone 2 (Xyl, DGB)
Seraphim 1 (rolf,

Not voting 4 (Giuseppe, Seraphim,The Fonz,WaltWishbone)

Lurker count 1 (Giuseppe)