TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[DkKoba]

.hood themed game, doesn't roll neighbor
VOTE: xolfelf

[DkKoba]

Hi

is that all u have to say?

[DkKoba]

towny but cringe

[DkKoba]

Hi

is that all u have to say?

Yea

how about teammates

[DkKoba]

towny but cringe

I would say it's also cringe for you to think that's towny coming from me

but welp, I do admit I'm over the top

I claim guilty, dear judge Koba

its the towniest thing posted in this thread so far, which is not saying much

[DkKoba]

Hi

is that all u have to say?

Yea

how about teammates

No

anyone else

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dkkoba

half-serious vote

which teammate fed you this read?

[DkKoba]

Why are you assuming someone fed me it?

because i know half your team sucks at reading me

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Dkkoba

CHOOCHOOCHOOCHOO THE TRAIN CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

what do you hope to get out of voting me?

[DkKoba]

@alisae tell me how you really feel

[DkKoba]

Why are you assuming someone fed me it?

because i know half your team sucks at reading me

Well but I don't, I had you as almost confirmed scum in the last TM (correctly) while people that supposedly knew you kept defending you for some meta BS or something

I'm not bragging this time though, could have been a complete coicidence. I just also don't like the immediate attempt at discrediting me/my team.

Then to clarify, no one has commented about you at all in the discord.

what exactly made you see me as scum in that game?

and yes its my standard MO to discred people who have a wrong read on me, esp if i think they chronically do. and saying you found me as scum once means nothing(no offense) because there are plenty out there who just bin me as scum regardless of alignment over playstyle. I do better without having to constantly defend myself and able to do active work.


all you have is that you and I are the only 2 really willing to play - I am still binning you as town + I advise that you sort by town and not try to be a hero bc you don't find me as scum by normal metrics and are just playing roulette.

any players you are familiar with other than myself?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Dkkoba

CHOOCHOOCHOOCHOO THE TRAIN CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

what do you hope to get out of voting me?

I'm standing in solidarity with my bestie Shirou

boring but also whatever

[DkKoba]

Why are you assuming someone fed me it?

because i know half your team sucks at reading me

Well but I don't, I had you as almost confirmed scum in the last TM (correctly) while people that supposedly knew you kept defending you for some meta BS or something

I'm not bragging this time though, could have been a complete coicidence. I just also don't like the immediate attempt at discrediting me/my team.

Then to clarify, no one has commented about you at all in the discord.

i find this incredibly difficult to believe, unless you mean since the game thread was opened.

[DkKoba]

oh mastina is a chronic misreader of me, if she reads me as scum im basically conftown >:)

[DkKoba]

(i forgot she was in this game despite venting about it after rand)

[DkKoba]

jingle told me i would butt heads with u likely and that if we were able to work with eachother it would be good so so far plan is not going well );

[DkKoba]

I think I know Mastina more than she knows me to be precise

I don't think we played too many games together but I've replaced her in a game before and have read old games she was in as well

She claims to have a day/night difference in her town/scum play but honestly I find her a hard read

its pretty easy for me and she still doesnt know what the difference it ;D

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Ydrasse

strike 3

[DkKoba]

jingle told me i would butt heads with u likely and that if we were able to work with eachother it would be good so so far plan is not going well );

Oh really? I thought Jingle wouldn't remember at all but we did play a few games together/he modded a game I was in once

Did anyone else say anything then?

no my other 2 teammates are significantly less active (gl getting mena to say anything lolol)

he also disagrees with townbinning you early but i told him skill issue

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

Datisi townreads koba unfortunately so i must look elsewhere

ur supposed to let the vote sit on me as bait for potential scum

[DkKoba]

both dunn and peta think that koba is town rn, cringey but town

cringe town is my trademark hop off

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

Datisi townreads koba unfortunately so i must look elsewhere

ur supposed to let the vote sit on me as bait for potential scum

Ok

VOTE: Koba

excellent VOTE: koba

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mastina

Cringe.

VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe

also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town

[DkKoba]

+1 Mastina

bc she said you're town?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mastina

Cringe.

VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe

also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town

@mastina what can i share from teammates to get u to townread me bc ik i aint getting through myself LMFAO

[DkKoba]

To clarify, I've seen DGB play as both alignments and haven't seen this early quietness before. Perhaps I should have played more games, but that's how it's been from my experience.

is this a half assed attempt to shade the slot?

is it alignment indicative or nah

I think it makes perfect sense for dgb to be absent considering, well, the retirement from mafia for the most part.

[DkKoba]

Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game they were in 9 months ago when they were scum that I was also in. I can townread them now right?

counterwagon

VOTE: aisa

Now, now. Why do you slander my good name?

what are your thoughts so far?

Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game.
Shirou gives me vaguely sneaky vibes but I've never played with them before, it could just be a matter of getting used to their playstyle.
This is not a playerlist I'm super familiar with so I'll likely take my time with reads. Everyone seems possibly within scumrange I guess. I'm guessing activity will be higher than most of the games I've been playing recently, so I don't feel bad about sitting back and observing for a little bit, which is a nice change of pace.

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

explicitly a towny post but this is with the lack of knowledge of scumrange + only ever experiencing you through TMI in the past you do not get the post of "locktown" yet.

also fuck taking time with reads! just let em rip, you're always within your right to change your mind, hell, even 180 a read, whenever you feel like it!

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mastina

Cringe.

VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe

also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town

We aren’t playing this stupid game again.

This is exactly what scum!stina did in the mulitball game where she fucken slid under the claim of “beloved princess” before being shot by scum.

This is exactly the same damn opening, with the same damn pings that I got, but the difference between that game and this game?
I needed her alive bc I was the other scum team.

This time I’m town and I don’t need to trust anyone but myself.

how is this the same exact thing ? all I'm seeing is that she is calling you scum = scummy, unless you want to elaborate.

i was in that game too and found her scum there and i feel she is different here at least to start.

[DkKoba]

I think it makes perfect sense for dgb to be absent considering, well, the retirement from mafia for the most part.

For you.

oh there are hoods! wonderful

[DkKoba]

spill the beans italiano

[DkKoba]

It's page 5 and I'm pleased to announce Koba has pocketed me in one simple swift move

MAFIA hate this TRICK find out HOW right here

[DkKoba]

she definitely does that as town too

i am searching for games but annoyingly she comments in every normal she reviews altho now im remembering that she doesnt play in normals and i feel like a silly willy

[DkKoba]

i am just going to ping jingle and make him do the work for me gg

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?p=13503235#p13503235

thank you jingle

[DkKoba]

Welll Aisa is trying to be pocketed by scum!stina.

i personally do not wish to be pocketed by mastina and i know what town mastina looks like and i think u tried to twist an NAI thing to make her look scummy and now i want to kill ur slot

give me a reason why i should not, and not any of the lame ones

[DkKoba]

i dont follow, what did mala twist?

VOTE: Mastina

Cringe.

VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe

also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town

We aren’t playing this stupid game again.

This is exactly what scum!stina did in the mulitball game where she fucken slid under the claim of “beloved princess” before being shot by scum.

This is exactly the same damn opening, with the same damn pings that I got, but the difference between that game and this game?
I needed her alive bc I was the other scum team.

This time I’m town and I don’t need to trust anyone but myself.

[DkKoba]

Ali also thinks Koba is town

But what do you think?

*checks my vote remaining on them*

to be honest I'm not feeling that serious about it, it's partially because it feels good to have a wagon to get us out of RVS as well, but in a vacuum their posts are still the worst ones to me aside from perhaps italiano's "DGB has been really quiet".

almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a whole

[DkKoba]

I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town

that seems like a very arbitrary list of 4 - can you ellaborate?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[DkKoba]

almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a whole

The people I admire in mafia as town tells me the opposite though I think

"Selecting a few posts that potentially are significantly more likely to come from an alignment or are likely to not be from an certain alignment" being the motto

Not that I think your posts so far are

significantly

more likely to come from a given alignment though

/shrug

the mark of a player who knows what they are truly doing is sorting by town, actually, which is why holistic reading is better

[DkKoba]

anyways i think ur slot resolves itself if town so idc what u think personally, i have bigger concerns like carrying this game

[DkKoba]

jingle just confirmed the mastina thing in my chat that its NAI but he is busy right now and cant give me more

[DkKoba]

I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town

that seems like a very arbitrary list of 4 - can you ellaborate?

xofelf - I don't thiiink I've played with xof as scum? But this sounds like xof-town. The initial vote on me had the right level of spunk, and the subtle confidence in being able to read DGB were good signs imo.

Mala - The conviction behind mastina is unusual for mala as scum imo.

Aisa - I believe the reaction of RVS voting me with the exact same post would be more over-thought by scum. The talking about their reads feels very natural. I think mastina actually put it really well. Oh yes, and the unapologetic "I will sit back" type post was good.

Ydrasse - Maybe a slightly weaker read than the other three, but I liked the read progression on Aisa and idk the woe re: the likely exponentially increasing post count resonated with me. Bring back the slow pace of last TM's mini normal!

lets tackle a more significant piece here -> with those reads in mind, how do you view my slot, and as a bonus, mastina's?

[DkKoba]

almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a whole

The people I admire in mafia as town tells me the opposite though I think

"Selecting a few posts that potentially are significantly more likely to come from an alignment or are likely to not be from an certain alignment" being the motto

Not that I think your posts so far are

significantly

more likely to come from a given alignment though

/shrug

the mark of a player who knows what they are truly doing is sorting by town, actually, which is why holistic reading is better

Hmm

I was talking about how I perceived Ellie's philosophy you know? Although I could have misinterpreted it who knows

As a counterpoint to my own point, I would say that knowing what is "significantly more likely" to come from a certain alignment or not is hard without knowing someone's personality/meta, and given I don't like meta nowadays (neither am good at identifying reliable tells?), sometimes the method fails quite terribly indeed

Dunno why discuss this though, I'm not going to change my mind on how I approach sorting people really

ok well do whatever ur doing i prefer not to die n1

[DkKoba]

good morning - full disclosure I'm busy today till evening

@aisa can you elaborate on your thoughts on Shirou?
@DV what changed your mind on mastina?

[DkKoba]

i have like 5-10 minutes hello

[DkKoba]

this is a tomorrow problem

When you've been out of town and it's 230am before you had a chance to look at this thread, yeah it's a tomorrow problem. Well technically a today problem but an after I get some sleep problem for sure.

DkKoba's 106 reads weird and makes me lean scum on them. If you have to ask how to get town read, it means you're not town.

I don't like any post Koba has made. So I currently would lim there today.

VOTE: Koba

The interaction between mala and mastina has pinged me. My current thoughts is that they're either both scum or both town. I want to town read Mastina because they shared feelings I had about Koba. And because of Koba. So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.

I'm going to address the person who voted me after I posted in my next post, but this is how I feel after reading through everything so far.

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

[DkKoba]

gonna drop a read list in a hot second but first, some things ive neglected to pass on from teammates that regrettably are not able to really follow this game(they have put their trust in me to work it out solo ):) :

jingle on mastina: the shotgun was a bit odd and different from usual but as both alignments. also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident and he told me he leans town (which does somewhat matchup with my vibe)
on further reflection jingle does update that it doesnt match up with the linked game

also a question to shirou to ask FB which post was towny


pinkball gave a few thoughts too: shirou / ausuka dynamic seemed weird and he felt that someone in the 2 could be pocketing the other based on how it came off. (also said possible masons)
ydrasse is leanscum for reasons theyve asked me to withhold for now
italiano scummy based on their complaints about activity being the first serious thing they said about the game (later agrees with my vote there)

felt weird about shirou pushing the thing about mastina while not actually sorting them independent of that and also pointed out they only really backed off when ali provides

also felt DGB was town on vibes

[DkKoba]

Ausuka (Frog Friends)
Aisa (Whimsical Activities)
DrippingGoofball (Ancient Guard)
Ydrasse (Polymewl)
Mastina (Shadow Syndicate)
DeasVail (Klickin’ Chickens)
Kowahbunga (Studies Show)
Shirou (Perfectly Balanced)
Xofelf (Crispy Cream Puffs)
Malakittens (Ghosts of NKs)
ItalianoVD (We Don’t Mafia)
literally have not read a single post by them:
Arko (Average TM Enjoyers)

i still need to properly catch up(last few days have been Busy and im essentially alive in 3 games atp)

kowahbunga is around where PoE begins

[DkKoba]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I don't really care about "historically". Everything I need to solve this game is going to be in this thread. Not in other games.

ok that doesnt answer my question on who your townreads are ? refusing evidence because it might force you to adjust your stance and rebut it is NAGL

[DkKoba]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I guess because I never played with you before, my opinion doesn't matter?

Imagine playing the game of mafia and feel the need to express how you don't like being scumread while playing the game of mafia. As if anyone playing does like it.

Since you didn't feel like reading the entire post I made:

So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.

Those are my current town reads.

i'm sure someone as great as you that only needs to read this game can come up with more than that, especially since I'm sure you have at least 1 or 2 teammates to help you with that.

how would you characterize your teammates' ability as scum?

[DkKoba]

also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident

w
h
a
t
?

weren't you THE expert in reading Mastina?

u actually reminded me i mixed up FL and mastina in the last game we played in that i didnt actually get fooled by scum mastina but jingle and I agree anyways
lil brain fart

[DkKoba]

but at the same time super weird stuff to fake/lie if you're scum

it still doesn't make a lot of sense as town either tho

lets just say i tend to prefer to ignore mastina in games and i rarely have a good confident read on her regardless



i am scatterbrained and it shows in my play although it isnt AI im just built Different

[DkKoba]

about Ausuka potentially trying to pocket me by getting into my good side...it feels possible but at the same time I'm not too worried about it right now, she's on my null pile

I must confess I'm quite weak to people humoring me/being nice to me though

(

*Meuh PSTD flashbacks*

)

oh hey jingle told me abt that i think pregame when brainstorming plans if i were to rand scum in this game.

pretty good call

[DkKoba]

fun vote time VOTE: arko

dont be a stranger

[DkKoba]

She claims to have a day/night difference in her town/scum play but honestly I find her a hard read

its pretty easy for me

and she still doesnt know what the difference it ;D

lets just say i tend to prefer to ignore mastina in games

and i rarely have a good confident read on her regardless

It's not about being "scatterbrained", you've done a 180º on how you theoretically view mastina as a slot you need to sort and it's puzzling? maybe you were just being cheeky in the first quote but it's hard for me to sympathize with this progression because I view it like as if walked back on how well I can read Norwee and that would never happen because...it's true?

its the difference between light confidence and lack of confidence.
so no, not a 180 but also mastina is a slot ive played with relatively rarely and have had middling results reading the slot going either way, i gave you my explaination, if you think its fake then i cannot reason with that which is not true - i won't make up fake reasons that sound nice.

[DkKoba]

and regardless 180s are pretty standard for me which is why i can be seen being completely wrong about a game, push over a townie, and still get nightkilled

[DkKoba]

i urge players to bring their team members into the game as much as they can btw, it becomes a much easier game to solve the more variables there are in play and it can prevent scum from being able to hide within having teammates help them because then it will be the standard and all that

even if you assign your teammate like 2-3 players to track thats fine and a good idea too

(my teammates have said my game is impossible to keep up with and i have to bully them personally to help )


also is anyone here good at reading shirou that can tell me my tinfoil is stupid bc everytime shirou posts im like "hmm yes this is good but also if i look at this from plausible scum POV this is perfectly plausible and actually ingenious"

or maybe dont because if theyre town its better to have them alive d2

[DkKoba]

the words italiano types wash over my brain in a not pleasant way - meaning i am having trouble parse them due to how fluffed up the sentences are(they lack a concrete point)

looks like italiano is sniffing out if im a viable wagon tho

[DkKoba]

I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town

I think Deasvail, mastina and

DkKoba

are town.

Well 2/3 ain't bad.

anyway i could get you to delegate your read on me to a teammate?

[DkKoba]

LOCKTOWN:
{ItalianoVD, Ydrasse, DrippingGoofBall}
Shirou
Ausuka

TOWN:
DeasVail
Xofelf

LEAN TOWN:
Kowahbunga

Aisa

LEAN SCUM:
Arko

SCUM:
Malakittens

DkKoba

Current reads.

OK help me bus in that case VOTE: mala

[DkKoba]

the words italiano types wash over my brain in a not pleasant way - meaning i am having trouble parse them due to how fluffed up the sentences are(they lack a concrete point)

looks like italiano is sniffing out if im a viable wagon tho

I’m interested in why you changed your vote

I do that a lot

[DkKoba]

iirc last night pb said that 375 was bad enough that it should be buried now

[DkKoba]

I got Mena to promise to give some thoughts for this game LETS GOO

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italiano pb saw something and now I want to kill this bc I think it's like 99% flipping scum

[DkKoba]

new jojos chapter was mid so I'm in a bad mood now

italiano scum = dgb lock clear which makes the poe even harder to open up so gg
(Plus I already felt that slot was Town)

[DkKoba]

dv is getting koba’d this game
classic experience

[DkKoba]

I'm not interested in voting either shirou and ydrasse today

[DkKoba]

good job you 2 now come join me on italiano

[DkKoba]

BUT (but!) if you scumread hedging we're indeed gonna have a problem

If DGB were to change their mind that makes them scum automatically then?

[DkKoba]

I'm locking the scum team with

Italiano
Aisa
Ydra (Aisa's buddy)

I'm pretty sure this is Town ydra and aisa(tbf haven't seen aisa scumgame) but italiano is a definite path for today

[DkKoba]

I got Mena to promise to give some thoughts for this game LETS GOO

Mena did not deliver !!! Please shame him now

[DkKoba]

Hey Koba I feel like you ask a fair bit of me but when I try to get an idea of where your thoughts are at, I either get a dismissive response or none at all. It feels as if you’re putting on a show for certain slots that you’re relying on townreads from, while ignoring others.

OK I'm bored so ill bite

yes I'm giving you the cold shoulder but also I think your questions are either boring or I don't feel I have time to answer them properly [I already have a set path I want to take today and don't want to be deviated]

no offense but I binned your slot Town and I have no reason to really have to follow you ergo unless you're calling me scum or I need to convince you of something I feel no need to interact to clarify

[DkKoba]

oh hey jingle told me abt that i think pregame when brainstorming plans if i were to rand scum in this game.

can you ask Jingle from what game he got that impression of me?

Jingle said leave a message at the tone, he will get back within 2 business days

[DkKoba]

What if we created a spreadsheet for all our teams reads and created an average to determine a d1 poe

I did this in a team Mafia format on MU (it was more of a baton pass style of team game)
And my team ended up with a perfect POE among ourselves and perhaps I'd like to flex again

[DkKoba]

(I'm reading through the thread at the moment)

BUT (but!) if you scumread hedging we're indeed gonna have a problem

If DGB were to change their mind that makes them scum automatically then?

Hmm?
Uh... the opposite?
DGB seems to be scumreading me for hedging. I'm implying that she shouldn't do that. Because I hedge all the time.

If she changed her mind that wouldn't make her automatically scum. Nor do I have much of a read on her now. It would just be Another Thing.

OK then I misinterpreted, I was gonna break down why that doesn't make sense bc yeah, ty

[DkKoba]

Sorry if this seems incohesive, but I wanna say this now because I probably won't be back until later.

Scum so many times don't have to coordinate anything and they'll just allow the town to implode on itself. I don't believe scum is in the forefront in this game right, but I also don't think they haven't done nothing. In my head the ones who stand out to me in this game, fmpov at least, are Koba, Mastina, Shirou, and Ydrasse. I don't really feel any of them are scum. If I had to guess where the scum are, I'd say it's more in the field of DGB, Arko, xofelf, and Ausuka.

We need cohesion to win and if I have been the culprit fighting against that, then here is my apology and attempt to right the ship if it can be righted. Also, please don't read into this change of a tone as a scum tactic.

I really wouldn't care as scum and I genuinely want to win and to be able to help this town win, but if any uncomfortable, uneasy, or outright rude feelings/interactions any of you have felt from me I am truly sorry, especially you DGB. There was no need for my post.

why do u think shirou is town?

[DkKoba]

Votecount 1.08

DkKoba (3):

ItalianoVD, mastina, Kowahbunga

ItalianoVD (2):

Ausuka, DkKoba

Shirou (2):

Aisa, Malakittens

Malakittens (1):

Shirou

Kowahbunga (1):

DeasVail

DeasVail (1):

xofelf

Aisa (1):

DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (2): Arko, Ydrasse

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2023-04-26 08:34:25)

i do wonder why italiano has yet to move their vote to a wagon of someone they *claim* to think could be scum rather than sticking on someone they supposedly townread, it cant be to keep that wagon alive, could it?

[DkKoba]

I have contributions from Mena to share now

[DkKoba]

Well mala had a normal one last night I see

[DkKoba]

I'm being told Mala wagon is a veto today, I'll paraphrase everything later but yeah

[DkKoba]

Generally, I'm here but not sure what to talk about yet. Anyone else around?

Omw home sup

[DkKoba]

There are 2-3 slots I feel pretty good about townreading.
Then there is an infinity of slots that I could townlean based on really not very much.

If all the townleans were indeed town then I would barely have 3 slots left to scumread. Also town, would be in complete control of the game. Which is not impossible, but... a very suspect conclusion.

Remember you have too many townreads ONLY once you have no room for scum

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ydrasse science

Mena told me to go hard on dgb(as in kill it) but I disagree for now but have that as his most recent thought - he also disagrees with the vote but I want info not a stale gamestate

[DkKoba]

Mena thoughts heavily summarized bc I'm actually going back out today:

Aisa: thinks that I could be being pocketed bc of the early townbin + interactions after that gave him chills related to an earlier game that I assume was an aisa scumgame
I've yet to look into this but it was enough for me to drop aisa a few spots(not into poe tho), and be more critical of her.

mastina: pleads the 5th, does not wish to read her or has the brain power to read her. To that I say, same

Mala: "meh" - seems more active than scumgames but has scum vibes, would say more town than scum but plausibility of team Mafia format giving that WIM is an angle I've presented and Mena agrees, drunk posting was a huge ??? Because not a single thing was game related

Xof: not gonna sugar coat this - Mena gave me the hedgiest read ever and I got him to say gth town but insists that it's a read that needs time to solidify

Dgb: says the iso is such a nothingburger that it should be killed with fire, I countered that dgb is like that as town and I got him to bump it down to a scumlean for the purposes of exploring other worlds(that's since changed since this is reads from this morning)
Italiano: he had the most to say about this but overall he went in depth and saw that the slot is just saying things and not really doing anything. Overall in agreement with the points pb has presented too and my own vibe on the slot(essentially our teams most preferred elimination atm)

Dv: leans this town, especially likes that they were pushing for answers to questions and were essentially still trying to be heard when ignored. The content when they elaborate on stuff is pretty good as well they pointed out, such as 241. I agree with this also.

Arko: felt they were awkward in 504 and has them as nullscum. I haven't really read into arko so I'm just sponging



He didn't talk about anyone else, if anyone wants more from Mena feel free to ask tho, but I'm mostly driving the ship here and you have to convince me first :p

[DkKoba]

nice pagetop

[DkKoba]

Oh also consider me v/la tomorrow bc I'm gonna be on another plane of existence(4/20 baybee)

[DkKoba]

Aisa: thinks that I could be being pocketed bc of the early townbin + interactions after that gave him chills related to an earlier game that I assume was an aisa scumgame
I've yet to look into this but it was enough for me to drop aisa a few spots(not into poe tho), and be more critical of her.

Grrr
Tell Mena I want to speak to his manager

He did a little spin and then said "hello the manager is here what can I do for you?"

[DkKoba]

Okay, now what are

your

thoughts on everyone Koba? You've been saying a lot of what your teammates think.

i have included my own thoughts within the posts where i share my teammates thoughts? we have had discussions in our team chat.

there you go again trying to shade my slot without making an actual move towards it

[DkKoba]

Alright so I'm given my readslist. Obviously subject to change, but this is where my head is currently.

Aisa
Malakittens
Shirou
Ydrasse
DkKoba

Mastina
DeasVail

Kowahbunga

Xofelf

Arko

DrippingGoofball

Ausuka

green

- strong townlean

blue

- medium townlean

yellow

- weak townlean

white

- null

orange

- weak scumlean

pink

- medium scumlean

red

- strong scumlean

very curious why ausuka so low but I have a gut feeling why

[DkKoba]

also I've been mulling it over overnight, I think ydra should be PoE but idt she should ever go over this phase but I won't object to a wagon there

[DkKoba]

VOTE: shirou
science part 2

[DkKoba]

I'm not interested in voting either shirou and ydrasse today

VOTE: ydrasse science

Mena told me to go hard on dgb(as in kill it) but I disagree for now but have that as his most recent thought - he also disagrees with the vote but I want info not a stale gamestate

VOTE: shirou
science part 2

eyebrow wiggle wiggle
what's this

its me being already set on who i want to eliminate while utilizing wagons as pressure since even if someone thinks a wagon wont go through the psychological pressure still exists

[DkKoba]

aisa feels very cognizant in their recentish posts of thread happenings and is incorporating a lot of it into their reads in a way i think that i dont see them as a player personality wise being able to replicate as scum

[DkKoba]

i have a very strong sense of Doom right now like that I am wrong about everything (minus the above) and I need to do something Else and I can't shake it.

i also am still waiting on my sister to show up so we can go out for 4/20 zz

[DkKoba]

Oh also, FB said if he was here in my place he would sheep DGB on Arko even if I personally "town read" the guy

I feel some desire to make who we lim today someone's else but I wouldn't do it if I town read a slot, and I was town reading Arko before.

Right now...I don't think I'm town reading him anymore though, not sure if I'm willing to vote there yet but yeah, @Arko do something.

p-edit: oh, talking about the devil

FB said he would sheep DGB?

this is like a big nothingburger post to say "arko kinda fell off" but big paragraph lol

i think i will keep my vote a little longer than intended and skimming more of your posts i get the same vibe and my fear of having to face more tunnely behavior was holding me back from approaching this

maybe mala is town wowee

[DkKoba]

oh im sorry i dont repeat the same thing like 5 times to make my posts look bigger and say what i mean

[DkKoba]

kowah is just my little pet townie thats gonna get carried and realize they kinda were being silly when they see my name as one of the nightkills

[DkKoba]

FB said he would sheep DGB?

this is like a big nothingburger post to say "arko kinda fell off" but big paragraph lol

So when he tells me to share one of his thoughts in the discord I should just be a jerk and ignore my teammate?

He even shared it while he was busy. Shading me for playing Team Mafia the way it's intended to be played (as a TEAM) is just annoying/reachy.

and? lol

my team is doing 3d chess while yours is playing checkers, we are not the same. [see my various posts from my teammates about this game]

[DkKoba]

oh im sorry i dont repeat the same thing like 5 times to make my posts look bigger and say what i mean

kowah is just my little pet townie thats gonna get carried and realize

they kinda were being silly when they see my name as one of the nightkills

my team is doing 3d chess while yours is playing checkers, we are not the same.

You're starting to get on my nerves to be honest. If you think I'm scum I don't think you're anywhere near the priority of nightkills this time rest assured.

It also reminds me to ask you, mena didn't say anything about me at all?

if i didnt post it, I found it - he said you come off as chaotic which he thinks is towny and then mentioned a few other things im keeping to myself right now so i can examine

i disagreed with him on that but now i remember thats partially why i didnt bother pursuing this earlier.

[DkKoba]

if i didnt post it, I found it - he said you come off as chaotic which he thinks is towny and then mentioned a few other things im keeping to myself right now so i can examine

i disagreed with him on that but now i remember thats partially why i didnt bother pursuing this earlier.

"Pursue" whatever you want but do know as I have said before you're on my nullscum pile and I don't like most of your posts

A shitpush on me like shading the fact I'm sharing my teammates thoughts also raises my willingness to kill you a bit but most importantly stop talking in such a condescending tone to me or my team. I haven't personally seen yet anything from you that makes me respect you, and It certainly doesn't help that you seem to think I'm scummy here while I'm arguably in my town meta at least early on, so...maybe watch how you talk to me/my team? Thanks?

I may be as much if not more egoistical than you but I don't think I'm

this

condescending/arrogant. I'm probably more obnoxious/noisy than you though.

oooooh big threats im so scared. once again like stated the threat in like 5 different ways. i literally dont care how you read me if im pushing you as a scumread? like lol, lmao.

"shitpush" like i literally havent like taken time to cultivate a read on you and was cautious bc of my teammates in my ear. i found it incredibly weird for someone to say they want to sheep dgb and i was finding it not genuine, i was NOT saying that sharing teammates thoughts is scummy and have even stated a few times i want people to involve their teammates in this game if possible and have involved all of mine to the capacity they can handle reasonably while not negatively affecting their time.

i dont think you're actually solving shit and im putting a spotlight on you

[DkKoba]

"shitpush" like i literally havent like taken time to cultivate a read on you and was cautious bc of my teammates in my ear.

"cautious"/"taking your time" you say?

More like you're doing a 180º on your read on me when I turned into a viable wagon

I'm not interested in voting either shirou and ydrasse today

yeah i do that p often, 180s are my thing, deal with it

[DkKoba]

shocker - good mafia player tends to be open to reevaluation throughout a day phase

[DkKoba]

hey shirou, trying to project someone else's playstyle onto me won't work.

i sort by towniness. I thought other people surpassed you in that and went back and realized "huh ok this wasn't as towny as I thought" and moved on.


the crazy part was that the vote was labeled as a reaction test several times - and it got the intended reaction assuming the world where you are scum.


as for why no one will listen to your argument about me being scum(including your partners who are probably begging you to stop attempting this) except the 1 guy in the room who has 0 experience with me:

1) they actually know its NAI for me(and in fact more likely town tbh but thats a conversation we aren't ready to have) to be fluid and make 180s. Of course I take the opportunity to turn up the pressure on you when theres already support. A solo vote doesn't do anything.
2) you're actually misconstruing my intent in a way that is ignorant of the things I've said to make me look like I'm being "opportunistic".
3) this one isn't related to the above but the mark of good scumhunting isn't looking for "scummy" behavior - its actually finding townies and then yeeting the people you didn't find as town.

you keep repeating yourself in your posts in a way that I think is just meant to make your statements look more important and it just isn't a natural way I think townies approach the game when being honest about their play.

Is whatever the fuck italiano doing towny to you? Does it make him paired with me?

ignoring aspects like that^ and not being able to explain it are leading me to believe you are playing shallowly and refusing to utilize complex evidence to support your reads - which is nearly explicitly a towny trait, and lacking it is usually, but not always, scum indicative.

[DkKoba]

koba:

i have a very strong sense of Doom right now like that I am wrong about everything

also koba:

kowah is just my little pet townie thats gonna get carried and realize they kinda were being silly when they see my name as one of the nightkills

From impending doom to I'm so good I'll be night killed. Like I said, that is fake paranoia.

The fact you don't care about clarification on things like these is why I don't interact with you and made you a pet
You're a type of player who draws assumptions without seeking answers and stubbornly so. I don't like playing with people like you but luckily I tend to be nk early.
I don't think you're scummy, you're just obnoxious

[DkKoba]

Ok before going to bed I want to state I've decided once more to not let my ego win and potentially turn the game unfun for everyone so early

I'm gonna judge Koba's slot strictly on what I think of their alignment rather than also internally justify pushing them as a form of punishment for being disrespectful to me and my teammates or so incredibly arrogant even though they're wrong

I was actually preparing myself to spam and yell in this game no matter the cost to get votes on them but it's not worth it

This is not a natural interpretation of my push btw^ and also proves that even if it's clear yiye vote isn't sticking there it gives great info


[Shirou / ydra / italiano]
or [xof / Shirou/ italiano] is where I'm at essentially poe wise

[DkKoba]

I like the Shirou and Kowah votes on Koba and I feel a lot better about both of them than I did previously. I would say that I'm sympathetic to the Koba wagon and particularly resonate with skepticism of the Koba townreads and Shiro's bothered-ness by this, and Koba is probably the slot I've agonised over the most, but I don't feel personally able to join in on that, at least not right now.

Ydrasse, I'd be particularly interested to know what direction you're wanting to move in at the moment, particularly why the hestitation on Italiano and why the unvote on Arko when you did, as the post before you unvoted was not actually very reassuring to me.

Lol and which part of Shirou's "argument" do you agree with?

[DkKoba]

what's unnatural about it?

It's overexaggerated given the context.
It's not a natural emotional progression to have

Its focusing on survival rather than solving

I have to go into work so explanation cut short but look back to around when I was discussing why I was voting there

[DkKoba]

It's overexaggerated given the context.

I think you underestimate how annoyed you made me being condescending on something I know you're wrong and if scum I also know you're trying to test yourself against me.

Either way I'm already over the ego thing, I just think your ISO is bad at this point.

I'm sure you didn't force yourself into that opinion because I'm a threat

[DkKoba]

I don't care anyways and I only have 2 conclusions at this point :

1) you're a townie who is in a fantasy world where I fit the description of what you're claiming. My play is not analogous at all to tm 2021, and this has to be some high level copium to believe so. However as it seems you assert that high level play means no "scummy" stuff it is more likely that
2) your inconsistencies and ignorance is intentional to paint me as scum and to ensure self survival as you feel threatened by the votes on you.

And in the latter I also assume italiano is scum with you as you also are ignoring their play and are trying to either claim they've been towny or that I'm somehow paired with them. Both ridiculous theories.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italiano I have gotten all I need for now

Ready to end day

[DkKoba]

Is flavor leaf in the room with us right now?

[DkKoba]

do the towngames now

[DkKoba]

all you had to push was that you being like this is NAI with game proof and I would have approached that angle, I don't have time to dive your meta bc I'm multitabling effectively.

and woah now I'm actually seeing that what I assume seeing is just your assumption that something that is legitimately just how you naturally react to X and not just "hurr has to he scum"

you have 0 idea how to describe my townplay

[DkKoba]

I've extensive experience with people trying to use their meta to excuse stuff that can hide a scum agenda and as you can see the results speak for themselves, it's not a good idea to just let that fly

You're once again pivoting on what looks like an easier target Koba and I guess I'm supposed to not have you explain yourself because "muh it's my thing"?

yeah I do intentionally not have a polarized playstyle in places bc I don't want to lose all my scumgames , and the things I've taken from my scumgame into my towngame are things that help me sort. You don't get to get a solid ping on me that's accurate until day 2 or 3

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italiano I have gotten all I need for now

Ready to end day

> The push on me doesn't work
> People talk about sussing italiano
> Instant pivot back to italiano

Very towny ISO. The Amazon Forest has nothing on the amount of green I see here.

You are so delusional and are bad at paying attention to the game you're in

[DkKoba]

"omg Koba switched back to italiano after saying they will vote them EoD and was just voting around for extra info to not make the day stale"

Good luck convincing anyone who isn't kowah or mastina

[DkKoba]

I was expressing paranoia that I usually have. Did I say "I'm gonna throw away everything"? No. I went back, determined I was still right and moved on. Keep making assumptions tho

[DkKoba]

Hyperfocusing on me won't help you even if we're in a theoretical me!scum world if you're town.
I'm letting you know you aren't really convincing anyone other than those who are already hard set on me except the scum who are likely yet to go on me because it would out them.
You planted the seed and have forced my slot to suffer scrutiny for the rest of the game(not like I still am likely to eat a kill )

Showing off how hard you can confirmations bias is worthless content.

Tl;Dr look at other slots because this is getting anti town

[DkKoba]

I'm not answering your questions because your basis is flawed and until you change it I have no point in discussing it with you lol


And I have provided content , like I said - you are showing off how hard you can confirmation bias.

Now let's make this less 1 dimensional, if you can handle that: what is your read between me/italiano? Do you think that we are reasonably paired? Is italiano towny?

[DkKoba]

I'm not answering your questions because your basis is flawed and until you change it I have no point in discussing it with you lol

You wanted me to have defended myself by linking you stuff about my meta, so you expect others to defend themselves and answer you, but others can't expect the same from you?

Have you ever heard about double standards?

shrug I rely on the fact that most know me and don't care
Probably selfish but I have a process and I'm entitled to it.

[DkKoba]

and to hedge on me perhaps being wrong on you, is there any way to convince you to not feel "entitled" to it this time and play like everyone else?

Probably not but that's what my teammates are there for to help fill in that gap

[DkKoba]

If Italiano flipped town where would you look next?

I would likely move up my PoE of which next I'd xof but at the same time reeval any townread slots that may have been based on italiano ->It's important to note I read ppl independently, sort by towniness, and then look at plausibility of being teamed.

[DkKoba]

If Italiano flipped town where would you look next?

I would likely move up my PoE of which next I'd xof but at the same time reeval any townread slots that may have been based on italiano ->It's important to note I read ppl independently, sort by towniness, and then look at plausibility of being teamed.

I'll correct my past self actually

Your xof scumlean is your unique take I feel it's distinctly "original"/novel from you this game so far

Wanna expand on it? I don't think you did in your past posts?

It's really just a lack of any energy that I would describe as towny or any discernable direction of play.
It's not really about what's there It's about what's not there.

[DkKoba]

dealing with a massive headache from being sick probably but I'm popping in to say I veto an ausuka lim

[DkKoba]

I'm a bit busy today but a couple notes skimming the italiano posts:

1) there is misrepresentation of the context of things I said, with intent to make me look bad for logical takes(at least the shading actually is a scumread now, which I think is more out of "I need to stop looking scummy for not having this match up")
2) ironically this level of posting might be out of italiano's scumrange - but it still overall feels disgenuine, which creates a bit of a ??? - i still haven't had the opportunity to realign my reads after moving shirou up and viewing the game through that lens - but I have the vibe that italiano is still solidly bottom 3 and I want the slot resolved. The style of posting does somewhat remind me of Cerberus which I have taken into account as a plausibility thing for this dichotomy.

[DkKoba]

I am a bit concerned that none of Ausuka's teammates are really invested into this game, since it feels like an easy sort of game to analyze for some of her teammates but the content from her is good and I'm pretty sure shirou is working backwards via pre-flipping me- as there if you read a bit closely you can see the difference in how critical shirou is on italiano and on ausuka. a lot more forgiving for things italiano does, because dkkoba is pushing them. a lot more critical of what ausuka does because dkkoba is defending them. this is why i made the "playing checkers" comment earlier because that is how obvious and telegraphed the real reasoning is, and why I initially pushed on shirou - because I saw this kind of 1 dimensional shallow logic being dressed up which is typically a scum trait.

if your name isn't shirou or italiano i suggest blocking out shirou precisely because of how flawed their process is here and that they will loudly steer you on the wrong path with nice words that have little logical backing.

italiano knows i'm a threatening player - and thus it goes to show that it is most plausibly scum motivated to consistently shade my slot and egg on pushes on me while staying clean. And feeling unable to twist into a scumread, until the village jester Shirou decides to give an out to him to let him slowly twist it into a scumread(such convincing arguments shirou gave! as if it wasnt already similar things italiano was already shading me for, right?). This is what is happening. It is a little more obvious from my own POV because I have the knowledge of my own alignment within the equation, but italiano's gameplay has lined up more plausibly with a scum agenda rather than a town solving.

[DkKoba]

The style of posting does somewhat remind me of Cerberus which I have taken into account as a plausibility thing for this dichotomy.

Cerberus was amused my this.

I don't believe you that cerb actually responded

[DkKoba]

if your name isn't shirou or italiano i suggest blocking out shirou precisely because of how flawed their process is here and that they will loudly steer you on the wrong path with nice words that have little logical backing.

I'm gonna kindly tell you off

I was a little less critical on my push on you because making a push itself to apply pressure was part of the point to try to make you explain any of what you were doing or thinking. You were refusing to because you're "entitled to your process" and I didn't have enough time to make your wagon even bigger before deadline hit, so given I still had doubts about what your slot would flip I switched to someone I've less doubts about.

Your alignment is completely unimportant to how I see Ausuka or Italiano at the moment.

You keep trying to put yourself as a important piece of the chessboard of this game but at to me personally/my gamesolve you aren't yet at least.

I don't care what alignment you're right now, I think Ausuka is independently scummy, no matter yours or Italiano's alignments.

you can say it all you want when the proof points to my claim exactly, no one here was born yesterday. either you are scum treating a scum italiano more reasonably than ausuka to get ausuka mislimmed or my plausible explaination for you being town in this scenario is true. you can cry foul all you want to make your argument seem stronger but I'm not stupid lmao

[DkKoba]

To bad I can't post what's in our discord. I'll show you post game.

and i am pretty certain you are lying about it lmao

[DkKoba]

ok im in a hood with ausuka and i townread them since pregame

half fun

[DkKoba]

ok im in a hood with ausuka and i townread them since pregame

half fun

i was listening to polish music as i wrote this and brain got language confused lol

have* fun lmao

[DkKoba]

arko is a shrug kill and not the *worst* option today in terms of optimal lim order but I still think italiano is way more necessary to resolve + has been more or less outted fmpov

[DkKoba]

shirou no offense but you have this very gaslighty and loud playstyle that I have had to deal with in the past and at this point im just so burnt out of that kind of playstyle that I just don't want to deal with it, so asking you kindly, post less thx.

it will do wonders for the game health and i'm sure im not the only one who feels that way. plus you are loudly trying to steer the game into 2 townies and it's frankly, a bit demoralizing that we will have to deal with you potentially throwing this game out of ego because you don't understand proper elimination orders for PoEs

Aisa
Ausuka
DrippingGoofball
Kowahbunga
Mastina
Shirou
DeasVail
Xofelf
Ydrasse
Malakittens
ItalianoVD
Arko (due to lack of activity)

[DkKoba]

Koba why is dgb so high

because dgb is an easy read, skill issue

[DkKoba]

also yes im ignoring mastina intentionally because there is no reasoning with her atp, i will simply bury scum and then she can be forced to townread me or its just clear she is scum who got told by teammates about her usual treatment of me as town and thus is faking it here

[DkKoba]

Koba why is dgb so high

because dgb is an easy read, skill issue

wow thanks very helpful

personally I think it looked pretty bad when she called me scum with a reason and when i explained the incorrect interpretation *then* she voted me as a 'sheep'. it looked like a blatantly unnatural interaction trying to hide behind shirou. Datisi also called dgb scum for this if you will take that seriously. what about her meta makes that so towny

i dont read dgb based on its read accuracy tbf

[DkKoba]

also datisi is a chronic omguser, opinion (lightly) discarded on that unless substantiated with more than "called me scum in a way i dont like"

[DkKoba]

okay so like i'm going to cat out of the bag, i'm in the neighborhood with mastina and italiano and dgb. i think that everyone is in a neighborhood this game so like Whatever. sorry mastina please don't yell at me for sharing this but i feel atp the info is needed

in the neighborhood italiano said that he wanted to trust it to be all town so he could block together which understandable everyone wants a masonry

but then italiano made this list soon after:

Alright so I'm given my readslist. Obviously subject to change, but this is where my head is currently.

Aisa
Malakittens
Shirou
Ydrasse
DkKoba

Mastina
DeasVail

Kowahbunga

Xofelf

Arko

DrippingGoofball

Ausuka

green

- strong townlean

blue

- medium townlean

yellow

- weak townlean

white

- null

orange

- weak scumlean

pink

- medium scumlean

red

- strong scumlean

which is like. idk. i have had a lot of mixed feelings about this since then because like. i feel like if you have the sentiment of "hope this is town we can bloc together" you dont call another person in there useless if you wanna foster trust (but then he apologizes so maybe frustration)? i see like one moment in his iso where he's asking about mastina and dgb and he wants my response to these reads and my opinion and i assumed those were the ones he cared about but i don't feel like he's been... occupied with solving those two as much as he should if he wants it to be all town neighborhood?

he's on the defensive most of the game but it just feels like a big ? to me so idk. i do feel some consistence in that he wants it to be town that i think is towny when he posts 891 which also is like, he is still following up on stuff and not letting it go when he asks me questions. but also the explanation of the reads is kind of questionable to me even if i don't inherently disagree with some conclusions (shirou is probably the biggest point here because it's like YEAH not a wolf unless super skilled wolf but he doesn't show any curiosity towards his like, ability as a player which i feel is the natural progression of that thought). i dont have a strong conclusion but i feel like this is probably the time to share this

also i think mastina is town because of something she did in the neighborhood as well so i agree with him on that even if his read isn't as strong as mine i think. (it doesn't help mastina has honed in on me town a lot lol)

wow italiano calling people town then shading them i wonder where i've seen this one before

[DkKoba]

perfect time to counterwagon italiano so arko slot could potentially self clear!

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italianovd
yeah after last page i feel like italiano literally isn’t reading the thread and is just looking for stuff to talk about that makes him look solvey

for new page

i have litearally been saying this

+ we only have 48 hours btw

[DkKoba]

i might not be around in the next 2 days(most of my online time will be for spectating champs as a jury member if anything atm, since these games are much slower paced i can afford to catch up later) VOTE: freedom and i dont want ausuka to go over here

[DkKoba]

the reason for my lack of activity is that my life has been a bit turbulent in the past few days, expect aggro koba day 2 if im around

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italiano

we are NOT killing ausuka here

[DkKoba]

@anyone with experience with shirou, how to untunnel them?

[DkKoba]

I’ve skimmed the last few pages. A LOT of great points that I can’t respond to yet, but I will.

And I’m sheeping Shirou.

VOTE: Ausuka

humor me, because I personally think that this is self pres dressed up as a sheep of what is the loudest and most aggressive voice in the room, what makes you think shirou is correct on ausuka?

[DkKoba]

4p vs 4p wagons

The plot thickens.

@Koba If I said I can sheep you for today but if wrong you need to "sheep" me tomorrow, what do you say?

my autistic tendencies prevent me from agreeing to this in an honest way

[DkKoba]

if im wrong i reeval on my own, not follow someone else. i can strongly consider your POV if we are both alive but im not going to just blindly go with you

[DkKoba]

VOTE: italiano
hammered

[DkKoba]

gg i was maf

[DkKoba]

So nobody wants to ask me anything? No comments, no concerns, no snacks, no treats? Mmmhmm

i have a treat!

[DkKoba]

I think there may be guaranteed scum in the DKKoba/Ausuka/Xofelf/DeasVail hood

There was no way for people outside it to know who was the vanilla townie in Xofelf/Aisa/Deasvail before

Aisa was also somewhat of a consensus read but I just keep having reasons to suspect those slots so /shrug

as opposed to your hood being half claimed?

also I think this is logically flawed and tries to jump the gun on a few assumptions - wrt what actual claims were in thread and overt softs/implications.

explain yourself immediately why you failed to account for your own hood

[DkKoba]

Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game they were in 9 months ago when they were scum that I was also in. I can townread them now right?

counterwagon

VOTE: aisa

Now, now. Why do you slander my good name?

what are your thoughts so far?

Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game.
Shirou gives me vaguely sneaky vibes but I've never played with them before, it could just be a matter of getting used to their playstyle.
This is not a playerlist I'm super familiar with so I'll likely take my time with reads. Everyone seems possibly within scumrange I guess. I'm guessing activity will be higher than most of the games I've been playing recently, so I don't feel bad about sitting back and observing for a little bit, which is a nice change of pace.

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

oh

I'm sorry Shirou i'm not sure Ausuka is scum
I'll reply to your question tomorrow

i wonder who

might have reevaluted into shirou here and was consensus town



thanks for trying to bring up the kill, because i saw it and thought "ok makes sense" and moved on

[DkKoba]

shirou you are either half reading or you're trying to gaslight the thread intentionally.

pick one and fix your stances.

[DkKoba]

also i have serious family stuff going on in the next 2 weeks and am v/la for the next week for sure, i may be moving out of my place.

sorry if im irritable between having started new meds last month and this stuff, but ive had to delete some harshly worded things in the past few minutes

[DkKoba]

also please hold me accountable for doing a metadive on ausuka and shirou at some point, i need to get around to that

[DkKoba]

i typed up some brief thoughts in hood based on info we had and i'll likely dump it here later when everyone has checked in

question: does shirou bus as scum ever?

[DkKoba]

that being said VOTE: kowahbunga

[DkKoba]

shirou you are either half reading or you're trying to gaslight the thread intentionally.

You're the one half-reading. If you or Ausuka tell me one more time I'm not paying attention to the game I swear I'll go nuclear.

I'm paying attention.

Check the hood

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Hey shirou bestie are you in a hood with arko

VOTE: kowah

Ali finally got to you?

A bit but also I disliked his "I was vla so couldn't post" when he posted elsewhere in the site

there's also something else I'll refrain from commenting for now once again

damn looks like every hood was claimed and/or softed at then!

my point exactly

that still doesnt answer why you completely glossed over looking within when our hood had 3/4 claimed and myself making it probably obvious that xof was in mine during gamestart

[DkKoba]

my point exactly

>explain yourself shirou

>oh actually that was my original point, I already knew that

and no I don't think your initial post about Xofelf made it obvious at all you were in a hood together

I posted it on our hood and it could have been a joke or so

ok well i thought that it was JUST your hood that was half claimed with mala, my fuckin bad im not searching for hood softs

[DkKoba]

my point was that your assumption about our hood was faulty, and im very obstinate about bad assumptions even if i think that necessarily our hood is all green, i dont want to potentially reach endgame and timmy the townie votes someone from our hood just because "there has to be one here".

whatever you get the point

[DkKoba]

but also lets be real aisa was killed for being the most consensus town that isnt obnoxious

[DkKoba]

also being wrong on a person doesnt make me bad and if youre going to be one of those players that pushes that someone misses and they cant ever be listened to youre setting the game up for a loss

[DkKoba]

im very fucking sure that if ausuka flipped town yesterday you wouldnt want anyone peddling the same shit so show some fucking self awareness kthx bye

[DkKoba]

I don't believe that Aisa was killed only due to that when Ydra is alive and I do believe Ydra to be town at the moment.

Scum knew Aisa was the VT, I'm confident of it.

aisa was turning around on ausuka and calling her town - and you think scum are aiming for a powerless VT that just has the power to be clear over hunting for PRs that could actually threaten them, if it wasn't for aisa being correct on something.

no, they killed aisa probably bc they were going to go to bat for ausuka, and youre inhaling massive copium.

[DkKoba]

if anyone else on the ausuka wagon was killed id be in agreement with you but how the fuck do scum actions line up with a scum ausuka unless u think scum are already planning to bus them out of the game

[DkKoba]

asking u to analyze the other side of the argument and consider the counterarguments b4 u push on a conclusion

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:
i haven't read all the posts nor do I have any intention to right now

I'm sorry Shirou i'm not sure Ausuka is scum
I'll reply to your question tomorrow

ok the point is that the trajectory was obvious that they were reevaluating the slot

[DkKoba]

if anyone else on the ausuka wagon was killed id be in agreement with you but how the fuck do scum actions line up with a scum ausuka unless u think scum are already planning to bus them out of the game

I had 2/3 scum in D1 of white flag

and kinda 3/3 scum in D2

scum didn't nightkill me because it would look worse for them

that's not always how nightkills work.

i promise u that the general scum theory is that u kill someone and their legacy is forgotten 24 hours after the kill

i can attest to this frustrating occurance happening before

and since you arent in my hood, i'll let you in on a secret: i told ausuka straight up im poeing her and looking closer at her pending a meta dive. the aisa kill was a kill i considered + points for a town ausuka but yes there are a million reasons why the slot would have died, and scum plan may involve not worrying about ausuka here.

so b4 u try to accuse me of whiteknighting, perhaps consider i consider several angles and plausible arguments when reading into someone rather than making 1 assumption and running with it.

[DkKoba]

you're straight up lying in your arguments

I had you as likely town up until now but I'm starting to think you're whiteknighting too hard

"its not exactly correct so u are lying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

be a fucking serious person for once

[DkKoba]

literally anyone disagrees with you and immedaitely they get attacked

insufferable playstyle and i am sad they didnt kill you last night but not shocked they left you alive

[DkKoba]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Do you have any thoughts on Shirou’s theory about the Aisa kill?

Do YOU?

[DkKoba]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Your hood seems very split on direction, what's been actually going on that you can't seem to choose?

[DkKoba]

Hi I'm alive, I asked teammates to keep tabs on this game and all I got was jingle saying mastina claim probably doesn't fit the setup. but we agree the fact that Mala claimed too quick means the lack of result in hood before claim is NAI for role proving. If she is scum she probably is true claiming

[DkKoba]

VOTE: mastina balling

[DkKoba]

kowah giving me doubts but I already switched over I'm a Mafia genius who predicted that

[DkKoba]

Trying to link me and kowah is hilarious and I really have to think is shirou trying to be a very audacious scum who wants to say literally anything bc a lot of what they've said this game just isn't logical and I personally don't have the energy to keep them accountable due to IRL but if someone else could ill TR u forever

[DkKoba]

VOTE: kowah I reread and changed my mind.
I don't want this to turn into an ausuka wagon or something

[DkKoba]

what? Why would you care about that so much to quickhammer. aren't i in the poe or something

Kowah didnt even claim

There is nothing he would have claimed that would change my mind, you know I focus only on dayplay

[DkKoba]

what? Why would you care about that so much to quickhammer. aren't i in the poe or something

Kowah didnt even claim

I care because if my poe can be resolved imma resolve it

[DkKoba]

I've had too many games where someone who I tr gets resolved and then they flip town and we lose off that so it's like yeah.

I'll wait till the flip whether or not I care to justify it bc a red flip means I tell yall to stfu

[DkKoba]

I am exactly that yeah, I roleblocked Mala n1 and shirou n2

[DkKoba]

I was laying low to potentialy snipe a scum leading kill

I also confirm mastina visited me

[DkKoba]

koba, too, was tragically roleblocked

(Tbh the babysitter thing never seemed like a real claim from the start because I don't think you ever like, claim like that as a role where scum can kill two people by killing you)

I could have very well been targeting within the hood

[DkKoba]

Ok it is there, but attached to a good role I wasn't going to just claim it

[DkKoba]

Solving via mech is cringe

[DkKoba]

I'm literally moving in the next couple of days(in fact my PC is already disconnected as I'm writing thsi) so this is a shifty time sorry

[DkKoba]

K but I literally have a useful role and confirmed Mala did u not notice I stopped pushing Mala after I saw she confirmed her role existed + the parallel with your role?

[DkKoba]

Koba, if you're town, why would you ever think quickhammering kowah there was a good idea?

You said you were playing "4d chess", explain to us like we're five then because your play just looks like open wolfing to me.

Also no, "I wouldn't be scummy as scum" isn't a real argument if you're ever gonna use it like Flavor did.

I don't believe in "scummy" actions lmao this sounds like you want to tie me to the action without analyzing why I'd do it.
Yeah I had kowah in poe and wanted them dead bc I needed them resolved + my IRL was shit and I wanted a pelt asap so I can stop focusing on this game
Sorry I sometimes I have off games where I play like shit

[DkKoba]

K but I literally have a useful role and confirmed Mala did u not notice I stopped pushing Mala after I saw she confirmed her role existed + the parallel with your role?

Ok but like I appreciate it's not literally impossible for you to be multitasking for absolutely zero practical purpose, but it's improbable enough that I don't think leaving you alive is justifiable. If you are actually town then rip I guess.

I don't think the parallel with me and mala is meaningful or alignment indicative. Mafia fruit vendor is something i've seen decently often. We could be both town or we could not be. It's just a nothing role

For example, yes i targeted shirou last night, I don't think we learned anything. I could have used it to claim disloyal fruit vendor, and if he was still pushing me like he was on d1 it could even have been funny, but i don't think it'd be a very good idea

Damn maybe ask the rolecop in the setup why they exist then

[DkKoba]

give me 1 more night I can get scum today hopefully and roleblock another

[DkKoba]

Like deadaas who are my partners if I'm scum here

[DkKoba]

Mastina why do you exist

K

[DkKoba]

Well I'd like to fight for my pov and at least out a legacy before I'm killed and we enter limlo

[DkKoba]

Just finished moving over to where I live now,

@shirou why did you tie me to kowah?

[DkKoba]

Two things:

We aren’t mass claiming
And Koba Is dying as soon as everyone checks in.

Oh am I going to cast voodoo magic that wriggles me out? Lmao
Frankly it's wolfy to push day to end sooner here always.

[DkKoba]

I didn’t say we are ending sooner.

It’s actually fucking funny as well you are asking not to do so when you legitimately did it yesterday

Perhaps I realized the err of my ways :^)
(In all seriousness I really wanted to resolve kowah and didn't trust yall to keep the wagon)

[DkKoba]

I won't have computer until Friday or Saturday likely so please hold off on ending day till then(plus I might be able to clear myself off dayplay)

[DkKoba]

BTW I forgot to mention this earlier, but when Koba flips scum, it pretty much hard-clears Malakittens.

How did you reach this conclusion lol

[DkKoba]

Because you rB’d me
Duh

Come on you aren’t that….

(I can’t say it because someone at my job reported me last week for a joke”)

The question wasn't aimed at you