TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Shirou]

so b4 u try to accuse me of whiteknighting, perhaps consider i consider several angles and plausible arguments when reading into someone rather than making 1 assumption and running with it.

You keep trying to counterpoint me on Ausuka and you want me to stop and think that MAYBE in your hood you're acting differently?

Bruh. I can only read you as what you post in the main thread. If you don't want me to see you as whiteknighting maybe don't try to counterpoint me on everything just because you're frustrated with my playstyle?

[Shirou]

hey if we could keep things chill that would be cool

I'm as chill as a cucumber!



Koba started disrespecting me, then I did it even worse to them, and then things keep escalating, and it sounds to me like they want now to play victim and it's all only my fault

it's kinda funny to me, I even sheeped them for D1 as a rare act of good-faith

[DeasVail]

Okay the fascinating thing here is that our hood was actually outed by Ausuka Day 1, and everyone in the hood was aware that it was outed.

I don't think Shirou's posts here line up with scum pretending to not know about that.

PEdit: Yeah, all good! I just had flashbacks to games where things escalated to a much more uncomfortable point.

[Shirou]

Okay the fascinating thing here is that our hood was actually outed by Ausuka Day 1, and everyone in the hood was aware that it was outed.

huh? where did she out it was you/koba/DeasVail/Xof?

[DeasVail]

864 in the read of me

[DeasVail]

I could maaaybe see a world where the hood is all-town PLUS scum missed it being outed PLUS they specifically chose to kill Aisa over me or xofelf but that's a lot of plusses.

[Shirou]

Huh

you got me DeasVail, I stopped reading that post on her read on me, it didn't feel that useful to sorting her at that moment

Why couldn't scum!me just be careless though and not have noticed it anyway tho? I'm town but I'm trying to understand why you think that's such a towntell, I feel like I could have missed it as scum theoretically speaking

p-edit: I see, well, it replies the above but now that I typed it up I'm gonna post it

[Shirou]

I guess it would be more unlikely for 3 people to all miss in a scum team perhaps, if that's what you're saying in your post above

fair enough

[DeasVail]

Well yeah that's the thing, if you're scum that missed the hood being outed, then scum also wouldn't have known that Aisa was the VT

[Shirou]

I was gonna call you town for that but at the same time she outed it on her read on you, and although scum usually pays less attention to the general game, they focus on other people reads on them

It's a shame because I really wanted a good argument to clear you here if you're town

don't have enough townreads atm with Aisa dead

[Shirou]

How did Italiano, one of your main suspects, flipping town shake up your reads DV?

Who are you interested in taking a closer look today?

[DeasVail]

I was gonna call you town for that but at the same time she outed it on her read on you, and although scum usually pays less attention to the general game, they focus on other people reads on them

It's a shame because I really wanted a good argument to clear you here if you're town

don't have enough townreads atm with Aisa dead

We did talk about Ausuka's post in the hood, but I think I was the one that picked up on it initially there too oops

How did Italiano, one of your main suspects, flipping town shake up your reads DV?

Who are you interested in taking a closer look today?

I think it improved my read on Ydrasse (I wrote a post about it in the hood overnight) and the main people of focus for me today will probably be DGB, Freedom and Mastina.

Individually I think that Xofelf, Ausuka and Koba are all quite town in their play and how they've posted in the neighbourhood compared with in the thread feels authentic in a way that I think can be difficult for scum to fake, but I also don't want to be that guy who thinks that their hood is town just because.

[Shirou]

UNVOTE:

[Freedom]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

[Freedom]

So, VOTE: DV

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Mastina

[DeasVail]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Do you have any thoughts on Shirou’s theory about the Aisa kill?

[DkKoba]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Do you have any thoughts on Shirou’s theory about the Aisa kill?

Do YOU?

[DkKoba]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Your hood seems very split on direction, what's been actually going on that you can't seem to choose?

[Malakittens]

I’m in a mood. Like pissed

[Shirou]

VOTE: Ausuka

I'm killing anyone not in this wagon when it flips red yeah.

I think we're doing this today it's just a question of whether I need to shout and spam entire pages of this game or not

I can make the game unplayable if that's what it takes to get the wagon rolling.

[Shirou]

@Everyone but DeasVail and Koba

Please. I need everyone's reads on Ausuka. I want to know why she's towny to you and if you don't find her towny, why not consider voting her today post italiano flip?

[Shirou]

I've come to the conclusion that scum just doesn't want to bus Ausuka and are likely openwolfing together

[xofelf]

@Everyone but DeasVail and Koba

Please. I need everyone's reads on Ausuka. I want to know why she's towny to you and if you don't find her towny, why not consider voting her today post italiano flip?

I'll have more time later today(i hope) to engage some more, but the tl;dr reasons for why I don't want to vote for Ausuka are as follows:
1) She's made a claim, she also made this claim in our hood incredibly early and she has not changed anything about that. Additionally, I think she's got one of those roles that is pretty provable, and I'd rather either clear her that way or if shit doesn't happen the way she says, she's yeetable the next day and I think she knows that.
2) Ausuka is a dear friend, and while I've not played too many mafia games with her, I have played and seen her play other games. And her approach to this game both in tone and words chosen read exactly the way I'd expect them to in a genuine way.
3) I recently replaced her in a mafia game where our slot was town, and she had the same kind of posts and even the same kind of reaction to butting heads with somebody here as she did there IMO.

So like, it's not so much I don't want to vote her just because she's town, but because I think she's sortable if given at least one more day. I also didn't read her interactions with Italiano as tvs. It was a styleclash and personalityclash there rather than alignmentclash. And I think we all know that if the clash is bad enough, you just read the other person as scum. It happens all the time.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: auska

Will eventually want Mastina at some point