TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Ydrasse]

otherwise dunn likes mala, dv and koba, and leaned town on mastina

lld doesn't like aisa and wants them Dead Right Now Immediately which i also dont feel as if i 100% agree with but

Thoughts on Ydra.

Gun to head I would still call her null. Some of her posting feels quite natural. She's doing some scumhunting and while I don't always find her conclusions super solid I can easily see the world where her ISO is her actual thought process at this time.

But there is this one thing that bugs me:
I feel like the (look like I have thoughts) to (thoughts) ratio in her ISO is quite high. Mostly because (look like I have thoughts) is so high. She has a supremely easy to follow ISO at the moment because every little action and implication is made explicit. This is pro-town but perhaps something scum are even more incentivised to do than town?

UNVOTE:

for reference i voted aisa because i thought their opening was a little stilted ie mirror someone's vote on them rather than post something wholly unique and the .1% thing in reference to me felt nervous to take much of a stance. i also thought that their reply to me in 94 wasn't as telling as i wanted but

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

felt like a towny thing to say, i guess it could be a copout but tonally i believe it

The feeling started when she made this post.

Vote / question someone -> unvote after their reply
Is definitely a pattern I've seen from scum before

i think i agree most with the mala read, it's not an unreasonable one for her to have and she doesnt feel very threatened or like, on edge i guess as if she was pretending to feel that strongly and then being challenged

This is another thing that pinged me. Kinda agree with it, but at the same time am still wary of Mala because her read on mastina rings major "could be a scum tunnel" alarm bells. So Ydra comes across to me like she doesn't have this paranoia I am feeling, which in turn makes me wonder if this is just a sentence, packaged ready for consumption, rather than a read she actually has.

Any thoughts here from anyone who is more familiar with her?

VOTE: Kowahbunga

I'll bite. Why?

VOTE: kowah

Ali finally got to you?

UNVOTE: from RVS
VOTE: Shirou as a foreshadowing of things to come...

she doesn't like these posts because aisa says a lot about me (and this could be anyone i think this is me inserting my thoughts on the general idea beyond her pointing this out) without saying anything really strongly but it doesn't actually lead anywhere and it segues into a vote somewhere else with a vague promise which is the sort of thing of 'why not just do that now instead of talk about someone else'

this is from earlier though so idk how she feels about aisa's latest posts

[Malakittens]

I’m relatively surprised that Dunn likes me tbh.

[Malakittens]

I’m relatively surprised that Dunn likes me tbh.

[Ydrasse]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

Do you think i need coaching

i don't think you need it but it could still be a thing that's happening if he feels he knows a "better" or right thing to say. it weirded me out that his stances were like.. followed i guess? more? idk how to explain this, but the koba vote early on and then i thought the commentary about me was strange enough to talk to my team with

[Malakittens]

Well fuck this airport airplane mode WiFi.
If this goes like this I won’t even bother because I don’t want to be known as the doubleposter this game.

[Ydrasse]

I’m relatively surprised that Dunn likes me tbh.

he actually liked quite a few of your posts and i agree
\i'm agreeing more with the townreads than i am the scumreads

[DkKoba]

gonna drop a read list in a hot second but first, some things ive neglected to pass on from teammates that regrettably are not able to really follow this game(they have put their trust in me to work it out solo ):) :

jingle on mastina: the shotgun was a bit odd and different from usual but as both alignments. also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident and he told me he leans town (which does somewhat matchup with my vibe)
on further reflection jingle does update that it doesnt match up with the linked game

also a question to shirou to ask FB which post was towny


pinkball gave a few thoughts too: shirou / ausuka dynamic seemed weird and he felt that someone in the 2 could be pocketing the other based on how it came off. (also said possible masons)
ydrasse is leanscum for reasons theyve asked me to withhold for now
italiano scummy based on their complaints about activity being the first serious thing they said about the game (later agrees with my vote there)

felt weird about shirou pushing the thing about mastina while not actually sorting them independent of that and also pointed out they only really backed off when ali provides

also felt DGB was town on vibes

[Ausuka]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

Do you think i need coaching

i don't think you need it but it could still be a thing that's happening if he feels he knows a "better" or right thing to say. it weirded me out that his stances were like.. followed i guess? more? idk how to explain this, but the koba vote early on and then i thought the commentary about me was strange enough to talk to my team with

You were talking about my posting as a whole being coached, not any specific instance. I'm not convinced you believe I as scum would need that kind of coaching after the last game we played together?

[Malakittens]

VOTE: IVD

For reasons startled in my ISO.

[Kowahbunga]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I don't really care about "historically". Everything I need to solve this game is going to be in this thread. Not in other games.

[DkKoba]

Ausuka (Frog Friends)
Aisa (Whimsical Activities)
DrippingGoofball (Ancient Guard)
Ydrasse (Polymewl)
Mastina (Shadow Syndicate)
DeasVail (Klickin’ Chickens)
Kowahbunga (Studies Show)
Shirou (Perfectly Balanced)
Xofelf (Crispy Cream Puffs)
Malakittens (Ghosts of NKs)
ItalianoVD (We Don’t Mafia)
literally have not read a single post by them:
Arko (Average TM Enjoyers)

i still need to properly catch up(last few days have been Busy and im essentially alive in 3 games atp)

kowahbunga is around where PoE begins

[Ydrasse]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

Do you think i need coaching

i don't think you need it but it could still be a thing that's happening if he feels he knows a "better" or right thing to say. it weirded me out that his stances were like.. followed i guess? more? idk how to explain this, but the koba vote early on and then i thought the commentary about me was strange enough to talk to my team with

You were talking about my posting as a whole being coached, not any specific instance. I'm not convinced you believe I as scum would need that kind of coaching after the last game we played together?

i said i thought you were being coached

"i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached"

but i did not indicate it was the whole of your posting. i think you are a competent wolf but that does not mean that you may not need additional help otherwise in games where there is benefit to let people who know more about others or have a firmer meta take the wheel. it is a team event and i'd expect people to help their team if they were wolves.

[DkKoba]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I don't really care about "historically". Everything I need to solve this game is going to be in this thread. Not in other games.

ok that doesnt answer my question on who your townreads are ? refusing evidence because it might force you to adjust your stance and rebut it is NAGL

[ItalianoVD]

Thoughts on Ydra.

Gun to head I would still call her null. Some of her posting feels quite natural. She's doing some scumhunting and while I don't always find her conclusions super solid I can easily see the world where her ISO is her actual thought process at this time.

But there is this one thing that bugs me:
I feel like the (look like I have thoughts) to (thoughts) ratio in her ISO is quite high. Mostly because (look like I have thoughts) is so high. She has a supremely easy to follow ISO at the moment because every little action and implication is made explicit. This is pro-town but perhaps something scum are even more incentivised to do than town?

UNVOTE:

for reference i voted aisa because i thought their opening was a little stilted ie mirror someone's vote on them rather than post something wholly unique and the .1% thing in reference to me felt nervous to take much of a stance. i also thought that their reply to me in 94 wasn't as telling as i wanted but

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

felt like a towny thing to say, i guess it could be a copout but tonally i believe it

The feeling started when she made this post.

Vote / question someone -> unvote after their reply
Is definitely a pattern I've seen from scum before

i think i agree most with the mala read, it's not an unreasonable one for her to have and she doesnt feel very threatened or like, on edge i guess as if she was pretending to feel that strongly and then being challenged

This is another thing that pinged me. Kinda agree with it, but at the same time am still wary of Mala because her read on mastina rings major "could be a scum tunnel" alarm bells. So Ydra comes across to me like she doesn't have this paranoia I am feeling, which in turn makes me wonder if this is just a sentence, packaged ready for consumption, rather than a read she actually has.

Any thoughts here from anyone who is more familiar with her?

OMG this is soooo easy

VOTE: Aisa

I actually townleaned Aisa's post here. What is it about it that you don't like?

TOWN
DrippingGoofball (Ancient Guard)
Arko (Average TM Enjoyers)
Ausuka (Frog Friends)
DeasVail (Klickin’ Chickens)
DkKoba (Jingle Ballers)
Kowahbunga (Studies Show)
Malakittens (Ghosts of NKs)
Mastina (Shadow Syndicate)
Shirou (Perfectly Balanced)
Xofelf (Crispy Cream Puffs)
Ydrasse (Polymewl)

SCUM
Aisa (Whimsical Activities)
ItalianoVD (We Don’t Mafia)

The other scum might as well confess.

Mmmm. Not sure if you're serious?

[ItalianoVD]

italiano scummy based on their complaints about activity being the first serious thing they said about the game (later agrees with my vote there)

That's scummy??

[Kowahbunga]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I guess because I never played with you before, my opinion doesn't matter?

Imagine playing the game of mafia and feel the need to express how you don't like being scumread while playing the game of mafia. As if anyone playing does like it.

Since you didn't feel like reading the entire post I made:

So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.

Those are my current town reads.

[Arko]

Ausuka (Frog Friends)
Aisa (Whimsical Activities)
DrippingGoofball (Ancient Guard)
Ydrasse (Polymewl)
Mastina (Shadow Syndicate)
DeasVail (Klickin’ Chickens)
Kowahbunga (Studies Show)
Shirou (Perfectly Balanced)
Xofelf (Crispy Cream Puffs)
Malakittens (Ghosts of NKs)
ItalianoVD (We Don’t Mafia)
literally have not read a single post by them:
Arko (Average TM Enjoyers)

i still need to properly catch up(last few days have been Busy and im essentially alive in 3 games atp)

kowahbunga is around where PoE begins

Yeah I have actually posted! just... not really much substance. So I don't really have much to address immediately, I've got a full on day to do this. But yeah Italiano/Mastina I've already mentioned to be a pool of scum just completed with a 3rd weird person for a definite 100% scum to me. I just don't know who that

would even be.

Also DK the teammates call you town for mastina calling you scum so I'm gonna follow their word

Now the mala vote? I don't understand too well, but I can see why someone would vote them, their reads are feeling kinda wishy washy but not really too much. Plus, I find there to be way more weird and scummy people right now.

Kowah? Yeah He's posted on the site during this "v/la" so it's a bad excuse, he knows what I mean most likely, plus a basic y'know post history.

And what else? Nothing, I am barely awake, I just woke up not so long ago. Imma do some stuff then come back to this.

[ItalianoVD]

I've read up and I'm gonna say a lot of people are hanging too much on my thoughts about DGB imo. Koba said it was shade, which it wasn't, simply my inner thoughts at the time I posted it. I also don't like how Ausuka asked me about my thoughts and when I answer, seemingly not good enough for them, they vote me, which is meh?

To anyone: other than the thoughts I had on DGB, which seems to be what everyone is jumping on atm, what else has caused you to think I'm scummy?

[ItalianoVD]

I like 340 from Kowah in response to Koba's 321. Feels like a town response to the usual arrogant Koba post.

[Kowahbunga]

Kowah? Yeah He's posted on the site during this "v/la" so it's a bad excuse, he knows what I mean most likely, plus a basic y'know post history.

Can you help me understand what you're saying here?

[Ausuka]

I also don't like how Ausuka asked me about my thoughts and when I answer, seemingly not good enough for them, they vote me, which is meh?

Is the implication here that if you ask about anything, you have to townread the answer?

[DkKoba]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I guess because I never played with you before, my opinion doesn't matter?

Imagine playing the game of mafia and feel the need to express how you don't like being scumread while playing the game of mafia. As if anyone playing does like it.

Since you didn't feel like reading the entire post I made:

So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.

Those are my current town reads.

i'm sure someone as great as you that only needs to read this game can come up with more than that, especially since I'm sure you have at least 1 or 2 teammates to help you with that.

how would you characterize your teammates' ability as scum?

[Kowahbunga]

please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.

perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general

tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot

I guess because I never played with you before, my opinion doesn't matter?

Imagine playing the game of mafia and feel the need to express how you don't like being scumread while playing the game of mafia. As if anyone playing does like it.

Since you didn't feel like reading the entire post I made:

So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.

Those are my current town reads.

i'm sure someone as great as you that only needs to read this game can come up with more than that, especially since I'm sure you have at least 1 or 2 teammates to help you with that.

how would you characterize your teammates' ability as scum?

I'm very impressed with your ability to portray how sad you are about getting a role pm with the color red in it through text.

[Shirou]

also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident

w
h
a
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?

weren't you THE expert in reading Mastina?

[Shirou]

also a question to shirou to ask FB which post was towny

I didn't explain his read exactly because the reasoning would sound kinda rude but he said mastina was likely town because she was annoying him actually

"trademark firebringer's mastina townread" he said