In post 936, Ausuka wrote:
In post 931, ItalianoVD wrote:
Refusal is a strong word. I can see if I literally said "I'm done engaging with you', but you asked me "Ok, so what about that suggests it was a forgone conclusion?" I responded with "my perception", meaning I perceived it to be that way in which I later told you why it felt like scum and not like town.
I still really don't understand this? Like, if you asked someone why they scumread something, and they answered "My perception
" how would you react to that? It doesn't say anything about why you thought that way, it just seems like a reworded version of "That's what I think because that's what I think." This is my main hangup on my read of you - I don't see how, even if it was a town genuine thing, you don't at least see where I'm coming from here.
But in the previous interaction, I told you that I felt you were just asking the questions just to ask them to look busy. THAT was my answer to your question. I don't know how else to say. You asked me why I felt you were scummy, and I gave you an answer, then you reworded pretty much the same question you previously asked me, so I reiterated that it was my perception. If you're town I'm really sorry that we are not connecting mentally here. I honestly don't know how to else say what I've already said.
In post 936, Ausuka wrote:
In post 931, ItalianoVD wrote:
From what I remember seeing while it was happening live and upon my lookback is that I was suspicious early on for saying what I said about DGB. That's the reason you even engaged with me in the first place and now you're trying to paint this picture that it was other reasons. And no, that is not the crime you are being accused of. Checking to understand the situation is fine in a vacuum. The reaction/response is the crime for me, which I've said multiple times already.
It's the same thing? Yeah, I thought you were suspicious for the DGB comment. I wanted to ask for context because sometimes I do misunderstand things. It's true that I was always going to vote for you if I wasn't misunderstanding anything, but how is that the same as the question being pointless?
If I said the question was pointless, it's not what I meant and I was just probably in the heat of moment. The question was not a problem for me. Questions are never a problem for me because I can answer them as best I can and as genuine and honest as I can, but fmpov if I do that and still get scumread for it and get voted on, then in my mind, I'm thinking 1) Why did they ask me this, what was the agenda or goal and 2) I answered truthfully and as best I could and that wasn't good enough for them.
Should I immediately go to that person being scum. Eh maybe, maybe not, but in my experience that is how I've caught scum before, but I do understand the situation is nuanced. Shrug.
In post 936, Ausuka wrote:
In post 931, ItalianoVD wrote:
Shows that you didn't read all of my posts to get an idea of where my head was because I very much said and did more than just post a readslist.
I said things like that for a reason - I'm aware you did more than that, but like most of it felt similar to me
That's fair.
In post 936, Ausuka wrote:
In post 931, ItalianoVD wrote:
I will admit from posts 1-173 I was still trying to get a feel for the game so majority is in fact fluff with maybe a sprinkle or two of actual substance, maybe not depending on who you ask lol.
My first catchup and second catchup and from posts 305 to when I posted my readslist in 576 and then from 867 - 891 is full of game advancing posts, thoughts going on in my head, reads, why I feel the way I do or do what I do, questions to those scumreading my townreads, questions to townreads regarding potential scum, etc. For anyone to say I was doing nothing here is just scum because even if a townie hates me, they eventually have to play to the wincon and admit the truth. If someone wanted to use 1-173 as a case for someone being scum then so be it, do your thing, but these sections outdo/outdid all of what my scumreads were doing/saying at that point. I don't like flexing, I seriously don't, but I feel it's needed here because of the ridiculous notion I haven't been doing anything this game. The evidence shows this to be contrary, because even when I wasn't "doing anything" that was early game and
If you are town you are dead wrong, but if you're scum then everything makes sense.
You weren't doing nothing, and if I said that it was an exaggeration and that's bad of me. You posted game related content, but I don't think it was game advancing content for the most part. I think discussion about the AtE has been done to death but personally I don't think it's difficult to fake. I think broad-strokes sorting people by activity, even if it's not meant to be the primary point you read people from, still feels like posting for the sake of it. Stuff like the readslist and posting +1 to DGB's reads - like just saying 'these people are town, these people are scum' without elaboration - a lot of these things aren't inherently bad or scummy, but like, I think there is an absence of meat here. And like, the fact that I was your only strong read in
576 - and a scumread at that - to me indicates town Italiano is likely to discuss me more, try and respond to what I'm saying and/or try to push me and get a wagon on me going, rather than just naked voting.
Your posts after coming back were better and I don't think I claimed otherwise, and that's why I said I was less confident about you afterwards. I don't really townread your posts that much - I think most of it is cheerleading shirou and/or defending yourself in a way I don't find all that town-indicative, but like I don't expect that town Italiano wouldn't be doing either of these things.
I think that we've had a clash of playstyles possibly. I haven't played with you before and you haven't played with me before. This is how I play, it's unorthodox and it's unconventional and even a little weird and think that's why I always get scumread. I'm seeing that maybe you need more progression from players instead of just naked votes, naked readslist, as well as reasons for why they feel the way they do. Honestly I thought I was giving that to you and others so far, but I guess I gotta go deeper; always room to grow and get better.
In that case what do you think of Mastina or DGB who basically did the same thing as me, coming in and just throwing reads down without progression or explanation. (This is not shade toward either slot, I'm just making a comparison example so chill out people
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In post 932, ItalianoVD wrote:
Ausuka, say you're town and fypov I am town and let's go with the premise that I have scum on my wagon or in the group of people who are suspicious of me, who do you think is the most likely for it to be?
It's tricky to say because I don't have a clear-cut list of 'people who suspect Italiano' in my head, a lot of people are in the middle where they say you're vaguely suspicious but don't want to vote for you. Your wagon rn is me, koba and DV. I wasn't a big fan of DV's read on kowahbungah, for reasons I might have explained here but also might have explained in the hood instead? Basically it was that I don't think most newer players are all that likely to think hard about how to achieve lims rather than just calling out people who are scummy, and Kowah felt sort of limbait-y at the time so I was skeptical of that push.
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If you are town I think scum would be between either Koba or DV, I don't think both, so if Koba is town then I think DV might be the scum and vice versa.
Anyway I'm starting to feel a lot better about your slot Ausuka. As I said I think not having played with each before I'm guessing there is a leraning curve here. This interaction was good for me, not sure if it was for you, but I am feeling a lot better about this and maybe I was just wrong and caught up in the moment.
