Mini 690 - Grimmmafia (Game over, the flavor returns...)

[SpyreX]

/confirming role yeehaw

[SpyreX]

My mission objective
is quite introspective

This little gaim
is for you to say my name

From days of old
I spun straw into gold

I know I was mean
I wanted a baby from a queen

However be weary
in responding to my query

My name can be the only reply
and there can be no lie

I know its absurd
but that can be the ONLY word

Also, so I have no yelling
Please watch your spelling

So if you have doubt
Please, lookout!

So help in my quest
it is in your interest.

[SpyreX]

Also if i am understanding Spyrex right if we say the name wrong something bad happens, either to us or to him.. and i am guessing us.

Alas, this isn't true.
The bad is for me and not you.

Well if Spyrex is the person i believe he is, then we have to say his name correctly. In the story the queen got three tries i believe, and I am not sure about helping someone who was a villain in a story.. hmmm

I know that flavor
has never been my savior.

By the way, Wolf, my avatar is probably just as obvscum-vibing as any, it's just kinda obscure, I suppose . . . To me, Final Fantasy is obscure Razz.

Vote:SpyreX. Misplaced capital letter there, dude.

The capital letter
makes it read better.

So you don't deny being the big bad german wolf?!?!?!

I'm liking my vote!! Twisted Evil

Lets stab with a fork!
I like eating Pork!

Vote: Porkens

[SpyreX]

Shouldn't we make it more complex? I heard this game is all about cheating and lying but we all vote randomly...how can we make it more interesting?

If you are town,
Lying is frown.

We need no upheaval,
Just to find evil.

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
Biohazard (1): CoheedCambria09
Fleurdelys (1): Gorrad
Porkens (1): fleurdelys
kloud1516 (1): wolframnhart
Gorrad (1): Biohazard
wolframnhart (1): Porkens
SpyreX (1): Plum
Porkens (1): SpyreX

Not voting (3): dahill1, kloud1516, mikanoff

[SpyreX]

i think i might know who SpyreX is in the game, and I definitely am going to fight for his life:P

I'm not trying to offend,
but please dont defend.

Although if you know my name,
then please play the game!

Dont make me cry,
there's only one try!

So watch the spelling
so there is no yelling!

[SpyreX]

I dunno SpyreX, if the Queen said his name wrong three times your character was going to take her baby, so for you to say the bad is for you and not us doesn't seem truthful to me, but that is just my opinion.

I understand being leery,
I know I'm not dreary!

My prize is unknown,
Mistakes make it blown!

Hence it hurts me more than you,
I just wish that I knew!

[SpyreX]

I dunno SpyreX, if the Queen said his name wrong

three times

your character was going to take her baby, so for you to say the bad is for you and not us doesn't seem truthful to me, but that is just my opinion.

The number is one,
then my chance is gone.

[SpyreX]

As it is I am not saying the name, because you are asking players way early in the game to trust you and say your name properly. For all I know this is a trick and you could be hoping someone says it wrong three times and that is your true mission, because that was the mission of your char in the story.

I am no evil minion,
but I understand your opinion.

Although distrust is a must,
I am glad you didn't bust.

I know you cant believe,
but I am not trying to decieve.

If people end up worried about my fun,
A mistake ends my games run.

Although no lecture,
may I conjecture?

If I was an evil dance,
think of the circumstance.

If my mission is true,
would it be to easy to do?

Yet if I am good,
Difficult it would.

And if I'm a liar,
give me the fire!

[SpyreX]

If people end up worried about my fun,
A mistake ends my

games

run.

I try not to confuse,
but sometimes I lose.

I not going fishin'
but i mean my mission.

[SpyreX]

Wow, SpyreX, I think you are having WAY too much fun for me to just go and ruin it

Ruin's not funny,
but helping is money!

I think "done" would have been more appropriate here...

Lets not be pedantic
and argue semantics!

My rhymes are fun,
you curmudgeon.

i think it's pretty obvious to everyone what Spyre's mission is, but i don't think we should say it right away. instead, let's just play normally and then if we believe spyre is pro-town we can say it.

The mission is open,
why is helping verboten?

I'll continue to ramble,
until someone gambled.

Brought up this early
it makes me a little surly

I think with a frown,
how can I prove pro-town?

Although perhaps with this finished,
Fears will diminish?

Test my mettle
until this is settled.

[SpyreX]

Good amount happened while i was at work.
Even though it was already stated I too am keeping an eye on Fleur due to her over defensiveness of SpyreX. To say you are going to fight for someones life, then have that person tell you to not defend him is just too odd to pass up.
unvote
FoS Fleur and SpyreX

Don't make the mistake,
to think I'm with this flake.

Like the wail of a banshee
I scream I disagree.

I'll pull out my hair,
if you think we're a pair.

Unless you drink too much beer,
my name is so clear.

Normally my head can untangle,
Yet I dont see her angle.

I'm seeing some possible distancing here. I'm getting that "Don't defend me so suspicion can be turned on us" vibe.

Your mask may be fetching,
but this remark is stretching.

Bah I don't know what to think about know. I'd like Spyre X's take on this.

This gives me the blues,
mostly confused.

My name is a villan of sorts,
So why would she actively cohort?

(Before the above is misunderstood,
Remember "Pie is good".)

No reason I'm seazin'
for this young lass' treason.

It seems far too dumb
to be a ploy by scum.

Yet with no renown,
does it make sense for town.

So, like a fine laser
We must apply Occam's Razor.

I know it is late,
look at her date

A screw is a screw,
a noob is a noob.

[SpyreX]

I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet. I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4. i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

Now I'll just wait

I dont think I am dense,
this just doesn't make sense.

Stopping your posts,
just because of votes?
I think I have to say,
this is bad play.

Your thoughts I would puncture
about trusting me at this juncture.

My character is apparent,
trusting IT would be errant.

If the brain functions,
there are no assumptions

I know I'm not sleazy,
but worrying I am is easy.

[SpyreX]

When I first appear, I seem mysterious
But when explained, I'm nothing serious

This makes me giggle,
the answer is riddle!

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?

I must be delirious,
you can't be serious.

Only idea that festers,
is that you are a jester.

That will not stop,
my lynching this fop!

Unvote
Vote: Fleur

[SpyreX]

i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.;

however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well

. this is why you should give me a chance

I am no mystic,
how is this opportunistic?

I'm definitey not yelling,
but this looks like flailing.

I know I'm not slow
so what kind of role?

I know its so rude,
but not even a noob

Would be so dumb,
to say they help scum!

[SpyreX]

Its good we dont fight,
I'm glad you see the light.

Lets get this done,
and bag newbie scum!

[SpyreX]

Now that you see,
I'm glad we agree.

Its time for a fire,
under this liar.

No role can abide
that helps both sides

Although she started to squirm,
lets hook this worm.

[SpyreX]

Perhaps now a batter,
for my small matter?

I've given a handle,
so can we gamble?

Repeating is lame,
so please say my name!

[SpyreX]

I'll be the proctor,
She knows about doctor

Yet plays it insane,
when asked to claim?

Deep in our soul,
we know there's no role

That kills all the town,
The idea makes us frown

I'm saying she's lying
and not even trying.

[SpyreX]

I'm really tempted to vote you but I want to ask a few questions to the town:
.Would an actual townie act this desperate with just a few votes on them?
.What do you guys think of the "I die we all lose" claim
.Do any of you think this could be a scum gambit (especially with a newbie?)

Where I come from,
the explosion is scum

A role they dont choose,
they have much more to lose

Thats why they get afraid
and stay in the shade

As for her claim,
she is to blame.

The words from her cup,
just dont add up.

Its easy to prove,
this could be a scum move.

i don't see the fun of the game after letting everybody know who i am and what is my mission either it is pro town or bad. so, if it makes you suspicious-pity, that's fair enough, but i'd rather play it shorter then revealing everything about me and remain with nothing

I think her mission is evil,
hence the upheaval.

The reason she lied,
was to try and hide.

Since in this great nation,
we need information.

Refusing to give,
no reason to live.

[SpyreX]

Why was it dropped,
the case on the fop?

Although not terrific,
my character is

specific

I'd say the same,
for all of your names.

Why would "The Prince"
somehow convince?

Cheap as a penny,
in the stories so many.

And call it fishin'
but, really, "missions"?

And how to surmise,
that "the town dies"

With a loud crack,
her pedal went back

I'd leap off a cliff,
if she really mean "what if"

Instead I sure think,
a move on the brink.

As for the shoe,
is that a clue?

(I find it alarming,
she mentioned not "Charming")

Consider how glum,
she thought it was scum.

As an aside,
my brain was fried.

As the sheer speed,
you made Porkens bleed.

With the breath of a dragon,
Came the burst of that wagon

Faster than on
the scummy spawn

Which causes critique,
because that case is weak

When it is compared,
to miss scummy squared.

[SpyreX]

it was the mission that convinced me combined with her role name in relation to the mission. i don't think she could have come up with that by herself

Its not that she could,
remember "pie is good".

For the sneaky snakes,
not just the role would be fake,

We'd use our cognition,
to see flaws in the mission.

So it'd have to make sense,
or else consequence.

SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case.

it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all.

What if my death means that all the town dies?

Its easy to reckon'
the first and the second

Are obviously implied,
to be somehow tied.

You need no lecture,
to know that if its conjecture.

Like a mean little elf,
You only help yourself.

Instead its a way,
to try and live another day.

As an aside,
I feel like I've tried.

With me you're so cautious
It makes me nauseous.

Yet you're willing to give
her another chance to live?

I'm not seeing,
how these are agreeing.

Lets play a little loose
like a drunk girl's caboose.

Give me my chance,
to do my little dance

I want my fame,
so give me my name!

[SpyreX]

The rules I dont define,
it has to be one line

I know I'm not to blame,
it has to be JUST my name.

[SpyreX]

I'll have to wait for our god,
the illustrious mod

To let me know,
what happens next with our show.

[SpyreX]

I don't think SpyreX's mission will be completed because Porkens tried once already and it had to be the only word in the post. Porkens messed up the first time. Unless I am wrong SPyreX?

As far as I can divine,
It still should be fine.

If one word was said,
that didn't fit for my head

Then the objective would fail
and I would wail

However the one word was right
So I shouldn't fight

[SpyreX]

Succeed or fail,
I dont want a yell

Just an answer,
to stop brain cancer

[SpyreX]

So, by now, SpyreX had been told what his bonus is, yet, it still doesnt give us any new information about his alignment or even what the bonus is as it is not revealed. I still really don't like what Porkens did, especially when quiet a few of us had said that we thought we should wait until more infor was provide... possible vote for porkens coming.

No need for weeping,
I was sleeping!

Today is the best,
my mission was success!

Since you're so fickle,
I'm in a pickle.

Normally I'd keep shut,
with this one but.

Thankfully someone didn't wait,
I'll give it up for debate.

Since it is not shown,
I imagine it should be known?

way to say his name without even consulting with anyone else..

In fact, Porkens, what made you think he was pro-town enough to say his name without consulting anyone else?

I found it weird as well, and i don't like the fact that Porkens voted without consulting anyone.
So i still keep my vote for him-this time for the reason

Twice has SOME merit,
but three is a parrot.

Porkens, you weren't that creative either throughout the games, and I might even say that for me your reasons for say spyrex name are unconvincing;

especially second one- if he doesn't vote for you, he must be pro-town? what?

i don't agree with changing the course of voting so radically, but at the same time, the reasons for voting on You and Gorrad were quite a good reasons. I was trying to explain everything I was accused for, ad You were obviously lurking. And somehow, I would be open to change my votes-just give me the reason

This logic hurts,
how does it work?

It must be in your head,
because it wasn't read.

I agree wholeheartedly that what Porkens did was not the most pro-town thing i have seen, nor is his smug attitude about it, whoever, i believe Porkens has already made reference to his char and if I was to go based off just that I don't think it would be a anti-town role, honestly i would think SpyreX's is, that however is second guessing the mod who could have easily made non scummy seeming roles scummy.

Flavor is weak,
a good way to sneak.

Hell look at my char,
it makes flavor bizarre.

Instead look at play,
thats what I say!

Based on that tour,
my vote stays on fleur.

[SpyreX]

I'm stuck on a shelf,
outing myself.

Vanilla I saw,
now I am my law.

I get to dance a jig,
since now I am vig

[SpyreX]

coheed...he's obvious going to say a pro-town vig..
what would he say, "No, I'm a scum vig"?

Without being smarmy,
suggesting third-party?

With my little crown,
I win with the town.

oh snap a vig
i highly you suggest you do not kill fleur, as i'm sure you are leaning that way atm

I am no dope,
she needs a rope!

My target stays inside,
So they cant run and hide.

Right now I am ok with it,but only for right now. If SpyreX proves to be less a help to the town if and when he targets someone, I would see him more as a liability. I also don't get your first question coheed, do you expect him to say no?

If I miss in a cinch,
you'll want my lynch?

I dont find that tasty,
its rather hasty.

[SpyreX]

I have ambiguous feelings right now. I was thinking Porkens was quiet and I really don't like Owen Wilson-and I reckon it's him on the avatar:(-that was the cause of my first voting. Then, he became a little scummy by lurking, and then making his independent decision without consulting the town. Also, if Porkens is a scum and Spyrex is pro-town then Porkens might want to ruin his mission, and I think he didn't pronounce Spyrex' character's name correctly when he first wrote it, so I still think Porkens behaves scummy

Votes from a far,
on an avatar?

My mission is best,
I declared success.

With evil pole-vaulting,
how can consulting?

My vote stays firm,
every word confirms.

[SpyreX]

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
Porkens (3): sirdanilot, dahill1, kloud1516
Gorrad (2): Biohazard, Plum
Fleurdelys (1): SpyreX

Not voting (5): CoheedCambria09, wolframnhart, Gorrad, Porkens, fleurdelys

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Now it is different- Spyrex was pointing me desperately for a quite a long time, although I was ignoring it. This time he strongly suggests that I am a scum, but he actually never says why he thinks so. His tone is though really strong, and I don't like it.

I must be delerious,
are you serious?

There's no hesitation,
or desperation.

Suggestion is silly,
It makes me chilly.

I'm no weevil,
I've

said

you were evil.

You've been astounding,
my reasons compounding.

I've let you see my head,
they've all been said.

[SpyreX]

"I kill people at night"
"Are you a mafia or SK?"
"No"
"Ok i trust you"

Its off the path,
but it made me laugh.

Although I'm no bust,
The role isn't trust.

[SpyreX]

"not saying i think you're scum necessarily
but just pointing out coheed's blind trust of you just because you said you were pro-town"

You'll see no fight,
I think you are right.

However obscure,
compared to fleur.

[SpyreX]

I'm the vig!
Just look at my sig!

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, what is the flavor for you turning into a vig? Were you given a reason? Rumplestiltskin in the story isn't a killer. Also, call it a hunch, but I'm having a bit of a hard time imagining Rumplestiltskin to WANT his name said.

Although now I am braver,
not really any flavor.

It was just said,
not in the thread.

As for objective,
I'm not sure mod's perspective.

As it is you seem to be picking up on parts that others have voiced and reiterating them to give you reason for keeping your vote on one person since the RV stage.

You're starting to see,
Why she bothers me.

At least a good sample,
is your example.

[SpyreX]

This does not nessecarly mean he's town. Also what I find peculiar about this is that he's outing himself as a powerrole. Wouldn't it be best if he was town to keep concealed as to not out himself for the night?

In normal circumstance,
I would not do this dance.

With needing help,
to put my vig belt

The scum would be nervous,
and hunt me on purpose.

So by me declaring,
the town I am sharing.

[SpyreX]

Oh im not completely trusting SpyreX either, i believe i stated that before. I still just don't see much of a difference between what Fleur did and what SpyreX has done. Fleur claimed a specific role and mission to make her seem town and get votes off of her, and SpyreX just came out and said "i'm pro-town", the result was the same even if the methods were different.

I

am no fool,

She

played like a tool.

You're two examples,
are Oranges and Apples.

Her vindication is in her claim,
Mine in my game.

[SpyreX]

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
Porkens (3): sirdanilot, dahill1, kloud1516
Gorrad (1): Plum
Fleurdelys (1): SpyreX

Not voting (6): CoheedCambria09, wolframnhart, Gorrad, Porkens, fleurdelys, Biohazard

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

So you are just claiming to prove yourself as town?

I'm a little confused. The scum as you said would most likely try to nightkill the vig (you)

so why proclaim your role. As I see it if your town you would withhold your role as to not out yourself for killing and contiune living to help the town as claiming you had obtained the vig role would most likely get you killed and town loses a power role. The only way I can see if you were confident in claiming role is that if you are scum or have something else in your role. I'm not immediatly assuming this but a little elaboration would help.

Tis the season,
you see part of the reason.

Its not aberrant,
my success apparent.

I was given a soul,
thus obviously a role.

So there was no neighing,
I decided that saying.

Now scum have to scurry,
Because they will worry.

I need only my will,
to send in a kill.

Since obvious power,
I decided to shower.

And you know my prize,
hence no surprise.

If on the morrow,
two bodies find sorrow.

[SpyreX]

I'm glad you can see,
Sometimes its hard for me.

To try to explain,
without causing myself pain.

[SpyreX]

Is it my hair?
Did that scare?

Everyone is gone,
it seems for so long.

Get on the tour,
lets start lynching Fleur!

[SpyreX]

Are the reasons for votes,
due to his boasts?

It's not divine,
to just dismiss as wine.

There is a place for conjecture,
I know you dont need this lecture.

I dont think he's dumb,
so if Porkens is scum.

He's got the wheel,
with balls of steel.

Unless in your spying,
you think I am lying

If that is the habit,
this is a bad scum gambit.

I agree with Biohazard on his statement on Porkens. I became suspicious also after he claimed that scummy wouldn't do it. it's like a double lie- he wouldn't do it as a scummy, so we think he is town, and it might appear he is only trying to act townie.
Also, I don't like the fact that Spyrex is so desperate to draw your attention on me, obviously because it is about me, but also because he is strong in his claims, however, not giving any specific reasons.
wolf, i have already answered your question on the previous page

Its a slap in the face,
to say I have no case.

See my exasperation,
when you say desperation.

Your case I'll explain,
if i need to again.

Although not prolific,
your scummy is specific.

Gorrad, can You just tell me why you want eliminate me so quickly? It doesn't seen a revenge for I didn't vote for You and at the same time you seem to really want me gone-what is the reason?

Why would you worry,
from a single vote scurry?

I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet. I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4.

i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

This is no reason,
for your treason.

SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all.

What if my death means that all the town dies?

I ball up my fist,
there's no reason for this.

I think its contrived,
so you would survive.

And if its just squawking,
there's no need for this talking.

i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.;

however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well

. this is why you should give me a chance

I'll take a drink,
why would you think?

I can't abide,
a role for both sides.

What? Should I say what my role is-is that what You mean? I'm afraid I might be killed during the night if I reveal it. or is there a doctor to defend me every single night?

See what you're wishing?
A little role fishing.

i am important for scum, because i am an important player in the game-as i said,

what if they kill me and this means they win the whole game?

even if not, as a member of town i would hate being killed as an important member-for town's sake
that's why i felt uncomfortable with revealing my character earlier, and asked for the doctor to take care of me during nights

See my disdain,
it was brought up again.

But it says "town" in my role description i gave you

I'm no heel,
this is simply appeal.

i never stated that if i die, the town lose-i said what if
Its not just a few votes-i got like four and only three people haven't voted yet so it is quiet clear who will be done

As I start to attack,
the pedal moves back.

i don't see sense in revealing everything, for you'll get everything after i;'m done, aren't you? what's the point-you'll be surprised.

Guys are you serious,
there

no reason

for mysterious.

The problem is, after revealing my mission you'll think i'm being scummy again. i can tell my mission is about checking which player have a slipper i found as a prince. does it make you not voting for me?

Why is it bad,
the mission you had?

I don't think he does put words in my mouth,

quite a few times i said that i never claimed that my role is that important

, i said i was only asking you what if-look at my posts just before claiming and after claiming my role

I'm not going to try.

This is a lie.

1. Well, I don't see a scum being so obvious about his/her mission on Day 1 since he doesn't know what his outcome is and it'll probably be pretty obvious.

2. SpyreX has been consistent with his opinion of Fleur, and hasn't sent any red-scum flags up for me.

2. I'd like to get an idea of what the mission outcomes are, and day 1 is a good day to do that.

Porkens, you weren't that creative either throughout the games, and I might even say that for me your reasons for say spyrex name are unconvincing;

especially second one- if he doesn't vote for you, he must be pro-town? what?

This looks like twisting,
to keep your vote persisting.

Since in my head,
thats not what he said.

Now it is different- Spyrex was pointing me desperately for a quite a long time, although I was ignoring it. This time he strongly suggests that I am a scum, but he actually never says why he thinks so. His tone is though really strong, and I don't like it.

You act like I'm quiet,
I've never tried to hide it.

Just because I hate being pointed at constantly by somebody who completely ignores my arguments, never comments on them, instead simply calls me stupid- makes me scummy. fair enough.
I'm not saying that Porkens did not write a lot, I'm just saying that he did not tried ever to save himself, explain, he was quiet intolerant about what we think of him, don't you think? However, he is not that scummy for me, and that's why i unvoted him. also, i have never voted for spyrex, i'm still thinking about my votes.

What a bore,
you say

I

would ignore.

I've commented upon,
all the things that have gone.

Spyrex, I am so tired of You shouting to lynch me- go and lynch me if you want. i would just like to hear why aren't you thinking of anybody else, only me and if you have any questions for me, i would be happy to answer. but the problem with you is, you only say "yeah, she is a scum, look at her scummy actions, her role might have been made up (of course), and so is her mission (fair enough) so let's lynch her!',

but even if they are made up, I think that is the only thing I can do.

Claim it. I can promise if you want:P but will it be more persuasive? I don't think so.

This doesn't make sense,
hence consequence.

I dont care if its mean,
in pages thirteen

This much you've managed,
to cause that is damage.

Its no mistake,
I think it is fake.

That makes statements more clear,
And explains all your fear.

As an aside,
lurkers need to not hide.

Come join in the fun,
It has begun!

[SpyreX]

And that was it. 2 serious posts throughout the entire game, including one opportunistic vote, and one quick unvote after the claim. I am not liking this, so I am going to put some pressure on porkens.

Consdering her action,
I find no infraction.

I am not meek,
the case feels weak.

Page 8: Okay. Fleur has to find a certain character, basically.
Alright. In my opinion, our best course of action is not to lynch fleur until we have more information. Fleur has to find a certain character, and maybe it'd be bad for the town if we kill her (or that character). And yes, it can be bad for the scum too, but I still think that we're better off lynching someone else first. It's like a power role, really. For example, if someone claims tracker, you never know if they're a scum or a town tracker, but would anyone here lynch a claimed tracker day 1? I don't think so. I think we should apply this rule here as well. Mind you, I have mostly played mini normals up to now so I'm not sure if this is the correct course of action in a mini theme game.

If I may demur,
why so pro-fleur.

Characters abound,
on each of us found.

I know it's a bit hard for you to post a lot of information like that, but I must say that you've done pretty well so far, you've been really creative. If you are really the vig, then I think it'd be good for you to stray away a bit from your tunnel vision on fleur.

I cant help but smirking,
with half the game lurking.

My opinions are known,
and they are shown.

Lets turn this about,
who do you scout?

[SpyreX]

I'm stuck in traction,
lets see some action!

[SpyreX]

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
Porkens (4): sirdanilot, dahill1, kloud1516, Biohazard
Gorrad (1): Plum
Fleurdelys (1): SpyreX
dahill1 (1): Porkens
SpyreX (1): fleurdelys

Not voting (3): CoheedCambria09, wolframnhart, Gorrad

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Why? Why do you think he's entitled to just hop on the fleur bandwagon like that, while he's never posted seriously before? Just because you are that convinced fleur is scum? What if she isn't? You are just assuming that she's scum.

Also, I'm going to throw out something hypothetical here. Assume fleur-scum and porkens-scum. Do you think that it would have been unlikely for prokens-scum to have voted fleur-scum? I actually don't think so.

So we can disregard fleur's alignment in this, Porkens simply did something scummy.

You're pulling a trick,
from his post six.

Switching the names,
exactly the same.

Its not realistic,
to yell "opportunistic"

When you consider,
what she had for dinner.

Post 105,
WILL NEVER JIVE.

So someone voting,
is never doting.

Fleur has to find someone. Don't you find it a bit unlikely that a mafia-aligned player would have to find his buddy?

Your thoughts are muddy,
why assume its her buddy?

You give me the roll eyes,
when she could have easily lied.

Or that finding is good,
Why believe that it would.

You've got some gumption,
with your assumptions.

The only opinion that is known is about fleur. When I asked you about porkens, you managed to give an answer that's

simply untrue

, and with all my other attempts to get you to talk about someone or something not called 'fleur' amount in you evading the question and redirecting it back to fleur.

The case is weak,
I do not seek.

Since I dont agree,
You give the third degree?

The others aren't playing,
so what am I saying?

It should be no riddle,
my stance is the middle.

You know very well where my suspicions lie.

Mostly on porkens

. And the more I am conversing with you, the more I have the feeling that you are using your PR to avoid my questions.

I know it's a bit hard for you to post a lot of information like that, but I must say that you've done pretty well so far, you've been really creative. If you are really the vig,

then I think it'd be good for you to stray away a bit from your tunnel vision on fleur.

From where I sit,
I see a hypocrite.

and with all my other attempts to get you to talk about

someone or something

not called 'fleur' amount in you evading the question and redirecting it back to fleur.

Your attempts have no torque,
they're only on pork.

Your heuristic,
is opportunistic.

I've seen lying,
to avoid dying.

Threaten the town,
turn upside down.

Saying give silence,
to avoid violence?

Saying I have desperation,
to avoid my accusations.

Its like a look,
in the scum book.

No reason alive,
after 105.

Every post confirms,
that she is a worm.

Not only me then noticed that Spyrex is not giving enough

, and that he is redirecting questions about other users, only focusing on me.

Because it is not only me who thinks he is being suspicious,

It must be a blur,
when did this occur?

My brain must be affected,

show me

when I redirected.

As for opportune,
this makes me swoon.

[SpyreX]

How lucky to see,
a question for me!

In post 193,
explanations I see.

Yet not for the bad
posts that she's had.

Some could be null
Yet others not so dull.

The below mistakes,
I think a scum makes.

Gorrad, can You just tell me why you want eliminate me so quickly? It doesn't seen a revenge for I didn't vote for You and at the same time you seem to really want me gone-what is the reason?

SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all.

What if my death means that all the town dies?

i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.;

however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well.

this is why you should give me a chance

What? Should I say what my role is-is that what You mean? I'm afraid I might be killed during the night if I reveal it.

or is there a doctor to defend me every single night?

i am important for scum, because i am an important player in the game-

as i said, what if they kill me and this means they win the whole game? even if not, as a member of town i would hate being killed as an important member-for town's sake
that's why i felt uncomfortable with revealing my character earlier, and asked for the doctor to take care of me during nights

But it says "town" in my role description i gave you

i don't see sense in revealing everything, for you'll get everything after i;'m done, aren't you? what's the point-you'll be surprised.

i don't see the fun of the game after letting everybody know who i am and what is my mission either it is pro town or bad. so, if it makes you suspicious-pity, that's fair enough, but i'd rather play it shorter then revealing everything about me and remain with nothing

The problem is, after revealing my mission you'll think i'm being scummy again. i can tell my mission is about checking which player have a slipper i found as a prince. does it make you not voting for me?

This is what i am talking about- i also

think

i need to find this character, and obviously it might sound scummy for you, because the fact that i am a prince looking for slippers doesn't make me more pro-town then before i have revealed my mission.

I don't think he does put words in my mouth, quite a few times i said that i never claimed that my role is that important, i said i was only asking you what if-look at my posts just before claiming and after claiming my role

Porkens, you weren't that creative either throughout the games, and I might even say that for me your reasons for say spyrex name are unconvincing;

especially second one- if he doesn't vote for you, he must be pro-town? what?

i don't agree with changing the course of voting so radically, but at the same time, the reasons for voting on You and Gorrad were quite a good reasons. I was trying to explain everything I was accused for, ad You were obviously lurking. And somehow, I would be open to change my votes-just give me the reason

Now it is different- Spyrex was pointing me

desperately

for a quite a long time, although I was ignoring it. This time he strongly suggests that I am a scum, but he actually never says why he thinks so. His tone is though really strong, and I don't like it.

Just because I hate being pointed at constantly by somebody who

completely ignores my arguments

, never comments on them, instead simply calls me stupid- makes me scummy. fair enough.

Spyrex, I am so tired of You shouting to lynch me- go and lynch me if you want. i would just like to hear why aren't you thinking of anybody else, only me and if you have any questions for me, i would be happy to answer. but the problem with you is, you only say "yeah, she is a scum, look at her scummy actions, her role might have been made up (of course), and so is her mission (fair enough) so let's lynch her!',

but even if they are made up

, I think that is the only thing I can do. Claim it. I can promise if you want:P but will it be more persuasive? I don't think so.

Also, I don't like the fact that Spyrex is so

desperate

to draw your attention on me, obviously because it is about me, but also because he is strong in his claims, however, not giving any specific reasons.

I do not trust SpyreX either, and it is not only because he votes on me. Also, he is quite

desperate

and strong in his voting, and at the moment when everybody's analizing the situation, he could analize it with u, instead his posts are very general. However, it is not enough for me to vote on him, so i probably stick to Porkens

Not only me then noticed that Spyrex is not giving enough, and that he is redirecting questions about other users, only focusing on me.
Because it is not only me who thinks he is being suspicious,

VOTE: SpyreX

If you need explanation,
have no hesistation.

Most are obvious,
to not a novice.

However all the above,
makes me think scum love.

Hence my vote stays,
right where it lays.

There's no desperation,
in my case preservation.

As an aside,
I cant abide:

Also: I'm intrigued, in a positive way, by Porkens' breadcrumbing, kinda good gut feeling on that.

Even if you are sleazy,
breadcrumbing is easy.

Although I dont like the case,
I'd rather look at his face.

[SpyreX]

It's no vendetta,
I'm not liking meta

However demur,
I'd like to see why not fleur.

To me it still reads,
Like a set of scum deeds.

And now I would fuss
at the use of "us"

Subtly implying,
that she is not lying

But its rampant abuse,
requires a noose.

[SpyreX]

What do y'all think the odds are of the mod including fake mission claims?

Considering flavor,
the odds are in favor.

Gorrad is iffy,
Porkens is spiffy.

Kloud isn't dumb,
neither is Plum.

Still no one loose,
why Fleur has no noose.

[SpyreX]

Ok, so since my last post Gorrad has continualy defended his actions during this games as his "playstyle". Its not a feasable tactic because its very easy to lie about something like that. I'm liking where my vote is right now.

Second, Spyrex, is there anyone else you think could be the lynch today other than Fleur. You've been very persistant about the case today, but if her lynch is not possible (it still may be), who else do you think would be a suitable candidate?

Meta mentions,
makes Gorrad question.

We can't pretend,
that meta defends.

The vote that decends,
still probably not Porkens.

I've still seen no reason,
that fleur isn't that season.

Lying multiple times,
isn't a crime?

All of her actions,
put me in traction.

It's a disgrace,
no one else sees her case.

[SpyreX]

i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.; however, it is

highly important

for the townies but important for scums as well. this is why you should give me a chance

i am important for scum

, because i am an important player in the game-as i said, what if they kill me and this means they win the whole game? even if not, as a member of town i would hate being killed as an important member-for town's sake
that's why i felt uncomfortable with revealing my character earlier, and asked for the doctor to take care of me during ni

I don't think he does put words in my mouth, quite a few times i said

that i never claimed that my role is that important,

i said i was only asking you what if-look at my posts just before claiming and after claiming my role

I'd like to see you try,
to say thats no lie.

Under some attack,
you pedaled back.

The "what if" was said twice,
Town take my advice

This one is a cinch,
and deserves this lynch.

[SpyreX]

You think I'm a ponce?
That's your response?

Not even trying,
to address the lying.

[SpyreX]

Secondly for me, today, I think that the lynch should be either porkens or gorrad, both who have fairly solid cases built against them by multiple different people. This isnt saying we still shouldnt be watching Fleur for any more slippups, but the other two are higher in my scum books

.

Without any faces,
give me both cases.

Why does multiple parties,
make them a smarty?

[SpyreX]

So basically you think that because you found one post of fleur's scummy, he was entitled to vote her in that opportunistic way. How does this make Porkens' any less suspicious?

Jumping on scummy,
doesn't make me feel funny.

Its not opportune,
when she deserves the doom.

The same with on Gorrad,
as locked up as Norad.

When actions deserve,
worrying is absurd.

I am not assuming anything.

I find it more likely that a pro-town character has to find someone than an anti-town.

I just think that it's better to wait to lynch fleur until we have more information, especially since we have two people that are more suspicious, namely Porkens and Gorrad.

The first and second,
dont line up I reckon.

You said 'the case is weak'. Care to explain why it is weak, because you haven't reacted to the case itself at all. What do you mean 'the others aren't playing'.

Everything I've said,
should get in your head.

I have reacted,
just not contracted.

Voting for something scummy isn't dull,
I find it null.

As for others not playing,
just read what I'm saying.

At time of the boast,
There was no one to toast.

Nope. I think you can see from miles away that your tunnel vision on fleur is way worse than my focus on Porkens. I am open minded about the Gorrad case, and as you saw from my first post I was open minded about fleur as well, I just think that we shouldn't lynch her yet.

Gorrad is iffy,
Porkens is spiffy.

Kloud isn't dumb,
neither is Plum.

Still no one loose,
why Fleur has no noose.

And you did it again. Yes, I am trying to get you to talk about Porkens and react to his case, but you won't even do that.

You fill me with bile,
are you trying to rile?

I've explained my opinion,
I'm just not your minion.

Gorrad for sure,
but not above fleur.

The porkens "case",
I find a disgrace.

[SpyreX]

My problems portend,
to meta defend.

The case on you,
wasn't something I'd do.

But your reaction,
put me in traction.

Yet it doesn't deter
from the case on fleur.

[SpyreX]

this is sounding to me a lot like Fleur's "I am valuable to scum and to town" post she did.

It is perplexing
and that makes it vexing.

When balanced on scale,
fluer is still the whale

Compared to Gorrads horse,
which is still bad o'course.

[SpyreX]

Porkens: First he was joking around, until he saw a fleur bandwagon growing and decided to hop onto it without any reason. Secondly, he immediately hopped off after fleur claimed, later said that he somehow 'knew' that fleur had to find someone and also assumed it was a pro-town role. Thirdly, he fulfilled spyrex' role without consulting the town and fourthly he pointlessly voted dahill 'to see his reactions'.

No matter how I twist it,
not opportunistic.

Jumping off on the claim?
Didn't everyone do the same.

Its not a hard guess,
Prince looking for Princess.

The only way he "knew"
is if she was scum too!

Fufilling my role,
takes a scum tole.

So unless I am scum,
why be that dumb?

Reaction voting is iffy,
but the explanation is spiffy.

[SpyreX]

Oh, and Porkens,in Spyrex' new post he says that we both might be scum because you seemed to know my mission before i even claimed it. i also want to hear one more time why it was obvious for you that I as a Prince was looking for a Princess.

No no no!
I'm trying to show.

That saying that is scummy,
only works if you're his honey.

Since you've shown,
scum on your own.

The litmus test,
is giving you rest.

[SpyreX]

Of this great nation,
what information?

Do you see in a cinch,
from candidate lynch?

Tis not the season,
for me to buy that reason.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex: for being so redirecting, unconcrete and stubborn even though there are other people to focus on-

i'm not the only scummy person in the game

What do you need,
her to announce her deeds?

Next post is a song,
for all to sing along.

[SpyreX]

An ode to the town,
dancing in their frilly gown:

Biohazard is stoic,
I lean towards heroic.

Coheed's mostly braying,
content not really saying.

Dahill's little fiddle,
I have him in the middle.

I'm not gonna lie,
Fleur needs to die.

Gorrad's "meta" call,
makes me want a fall.

Kloud needs more,
before I could really adore.

Plum has it down,
I give her a crown.

Porkens may be abrasive,
but I dont find him evasive.

Sirdan isn't yummy,
a bad feeling in my tummy.

Wolf may have the posts,
but neutral I boast.

[SpyreX]

With what was just said,
why are the two ahead?

[SpyreX]

FoS: Fleur

CoheedCambria09 wrote:
Ok, so first of all Fleur, you arn't helping yourself out at all. When asked to refute a case against yourself, do it. And do it legitmately.

Secondly for me, today, I think that the lynch should be either porkens or gorrad, both who have fairly solid cases built against them by multiple different people. This isnt saying we still shouldnt be watching Fleur for any more slippups,

but the other two are higher in my scum books.

QFT

.

With all that you said,
why those two ahead?

[SpyreX]

You're both correct,
in what I suspect.

I guess its opinion,
but fleur has dominion

[SpyreX]

Gorrad is chargin'
to second with margin.

Porkens as is,
not part of my biz'.

So if the first goes to the slammer,
I'd be willing to hammer.

Let me be clear,
to all who would hear.

If you decide she is fun,
she's not getting the gun.

The choice of my kill,
is up to my will.

So if you let her slip,
better be sure of the flip.

[SpyreX]

Y'know what? Screw it. I'm bloody well going to confirm myself and get all this out of the way so y'all can actually focus attention on scum.

I'm the Narrator.

I write the flavor.

If I die, there's not only no flavor, but allignments/roles aren't revealed on death, meaning the town don't know who they've killed and the scum don't know which town power roles they've offed. Please note the twilight rules in the first post. After lynch and after night choices are in, I'm sent who died and I write the flavor.

I breadcrumbed this in the opening scene when I not only quoted 'Into the Woods' (Where the narrator gets pulled into the story) but wrote 'How the story goes is as much up to you as it is to me', as that is true: I write the story according to the town's actions. If y'all don't believe me, I can prove it when I write the night scene.

Now let's lynch scum. Vote: Biohazard

You write the flavor?
The mod is our savior.

If town this is a bore,
and ultimately a chose.

If scum you meet,
this would be a treat.

And how does flip,
tie in with your quip

Perhaps just the text,
I could have seen best.

How to confirm with your heart,
the important part?

I can't think this is true,
so I do what I do.

Unvote
Vote: Gorrad

[SpyreX]

*chose is wrong
for the name of my song

the rhyme for bore,
is obviously chore

I hope this mistake,
doesn't my heart break.

[SpyreX]

A role that never exists,
isn't to be missed.

Meta defense,
has consequence

I dont care about the role,
as much as the color of your soul

So yelling "I'm confirm"
just sounds like a worm

When from it no way
to tell what you say.

[SpyreX]

Also by my jive,
the number maxed at 5.

[SpyreX]

Not to say the vote glamour,
would have stopped my hammer.

[SpyreX]

I like when my vote leaves,
hers also deceives.

As for my vote,
I'll explain why I tote.

His play gives suspicion,
Although I dont know his mission.

I look at the role,
and it gives a toll.

The choices are two,
lying or true?

If he is lying,
then he should be dying.

If he is the true,
what do we do?

The role as town,
makes us frown.

It acts only to harm,
That gives no charm.

If the role is bad,
the scum would be glad.

Confusing the flips,
would help them equip.

And if he is third,
living is absurd.

Now I think he's lying,
and hence for the dying.

You may ask why,
I wont deny.

Saying the flip AND text,
definitely has me perplexed.

Why tie the twain,
it makes me insane.

The mod has no fun,
if this role is done.

And the "Narrator" hmm?
Wouldn't he be a Grimm?

Now thats just the claim,
there's more to his name.

The meta declare,
a good way to scare.

Without trying to address,
his terrible mess.

Assuming hes clear,
when being nowhere near.

My vig will be shown,

but alignment still not known.

And claim en masse?
How can that pass?

If SpyreX is killed and flips scum, so is Porkens. I'd wish you good luck but frankly, all the luck in the world won't help you now.

This made me curse,
the order is reverse.

If names are switched,
no reason to twitch.

But me being killed,
putting Porkens at will?

I cant comprehend,
since I did defend.

So if Porkens is bad,
the weight I would have had.

Pushing my kill,
hurting town will.

He is the right choice,
I've given my voice.

[SpyreX]

Why?

Spyrex, would you like to reply to my list of things that make porkens scum?

Look what you're saying,
attention you are not paying.

Half I've addressed,
the way I feel best.

You keep harping on me,
for no reason I see.

Except to deflect,
from MY suspect.

Porkens:
1. He was joking around, until he saw a fleur bandwagon growing and decided to hop onto it without any reason.
2. He immediately hopped off after fleur claimed, later said that he somehow 'knew' that fleur had to find someone and also assumed it was a pro-town role.
3. He fulfilled spyrex' role without consulting the town.
4. He pointlessly voted dahill 'to see his reactions'.
5. He admits to be actively lurking.
6. Thinks that fleur not knowing the exact quote tag conventions is a scum tell.
7. Attempts to debunk point 1 with a classic crap logic argument (specifically, a 'too-scummy' argument). Attempts to pull his attacker into his cesspool of WIFOM.
8. OMGUS votes me, the vote is based on bad logic.

Four I've addressed,
lets put that to rest.

As for number five,
I'll admit it doesn't jive.

She quoted fine before,
forgetting how is hard to ignore.

Considering my rhyming,
explaining 7 is tiring.

The context defines,
the use of the wine.

This is an interpretation of what I did, and doesn't represent any claims I have made about my actions. Of COURSE I'm going to say it's wrong. I voted for Fleur because she was scummy, as other had pointed out, I felt no need to regurgitate it. I unvoted because I assumed her mission and it seemed pro-town to me.

Here's a little more WIFOM for you; Why would scum jump on a wagon at L-3 in such a way that would draw attention to themselves?

The highlighted bit,
makes sense I admit.

The latter question,
has reason to mention.

If you're going to define,
so liberal the use of wine.

Everything we do,
could be drunk too.

As for the eight,
he doesn't have part straight.

That doesn't change,
some of what you say is strange.

Wait, hold on. Firstly, I did not only focus on you, I've talked about Gorrad as well. I am focusing on two people, and I am talking about/with two others. Can I be any less tunnel visioned without that it loses its effect?

Looking at your history,
this post is a mystery.

In thirteen whole posts,
only two boast.

Going to the game,
without Porkens name.

Gorrad is worse,
only one verse.

Where he is the center,
without Porkens metor.

To say the focus is two,
simply isn't true.

At best its one beast,
with two heads at the feast.

As for your squawking,
besides me who are you talking?

You haven't mentioned by name,
most of the players in the game.

With this derision,
you site my tunnel vision.

When by every measure,
yours is truly the treasure.

If porkens is evil I'm pissed
because I've had to persist

In this "case"
which has been a disgrace.

So let us be clear,
and try to adhere.

I'm not voting on this,
and for now I'll dismiss.

So stop asking me,
if I agree.

I cant understand,
why you want my hand.

When I wont dance,
with this stance.

[SpyreX]

We're starting to stammer,
ohh I wish we had hammered.

[SpyreX]

Being abrasive,
is not evasive.

I'm pretty certain,
Porkens is no dark curtain.

[SpyreX]

Will wonders never cease?
I've said my piece.

[SpyreX]

I am the vig!
Look at my sig!

[SpyreX]

If I die, there's not only no flavor, but allignments/roles aren't revealed on death, meaning the town don't know who they've killed and the scum don't know which town power roles they've offed. Please note the twilight rules in the first post. After lynch and after night choices are in, I'm sent who died and I write the flavor.

As far as I know, I don't have the ability to alter the way in which the deaths are reported (Killed by...), just the flavor surrounding them.

Unless I'm a dip,
the roles in the flip.

Thus the fear tactic,
is just being spastic.

The, as y'all so roughly put it, mass claim is a good idea because, frankly, I'm starting to doubt SpyreX's role. So far we've had 'The Narrator', 'The Prince', and 'Rumplestiltzken'. Which of these stands out to you? I don't think anything is lost if we claim whether we're a specific or an archeotype, and I'm suspicious enough (especially given the reaction to my claim) that I'd like this tested. I'd be fairly unsurprised at this point if he and Porkens have staged this whole thing.

A massclaim doesn't answer,
this particular cancer.

But even if I bite,
the comparison is trite.

The "prince" still does play,
whereas the narrator would say.

I've sung my hymn,
about that being Grimm.

I still find it alarming,
that she wasn't Prince Charming.

I know I didn't get that from just rhymes.

Well if Spyrex is the person i believe he is, then we have to say his name correctly. In the story the queen got three tries i believe, and I am not sure about helping someone who was a villain in a story.. hmmm

My thoughts exactly.

i think it's pretty obvious to everyone what Spyre's mission is, but i don't think we should say it right away. instead, let's just play normally and then if we believe spyre is pro-town we can say it.

Indeed it does; plum definitely rhymes with scum. Also, I think that dahill's idea would be the best move at the moment, as with such little information at the moment delving into his mission does not sit well with me. My gut tells me that we should wait until a later time to test any possible mission that might be presented to us, as we have nothing at this point that would be indicative of a player's alignment--which could prove to have detrimental ramifications later on down the road.

Intersting posts by SpyreX. I agree with not allowing to indulge in SpryeX's motives and complete his misson as I have not fully accepted him as protown. (obviously Rolling Eyes ) However I'm speculating that his post restriction and role (I can only speculate along with everybody else that his role is ____ unless he is pulling some kind of weird gambit) could possibly be anti-town (I am not fully assuming this) Because as I remember in the tale the man,______, had tooken away the women's child and ran off with it. However it can be debated that it wasn't fully an act of evil because he only took the child as a exchange because he had helped the women spin the thread in the dungeon.

I think it is easy,
to call your claim cheesy.

Your rule of thumb
is Specific = Scum.

I'll sing my song,
saying this is wrong.

However your role,
does bring a toll.

I think that the sayer,
doesn't count as a player.

Your play has no luster,
hence I'm a ball-buster.

Saying confirmed,
makes you sound like a worm.

So for many reasons,
its the right season.

Look at what he said,
and then use your head.

No reason to worry,
when he can't scurry.

[SpyreX]

Meta AND flavor?
Wow, such a savior!

The leap is massive,
Especially when passive.

As for agreed?
No consensus I see.

I think you are vile,
and thus should stand trial.

[SpyreX]

Assuming you were town at the moment and you were to be lynched then we could conclude that at least 1-2 scum were on that bandwagon. It is unlikely (but not impossible) for scum not the be on a bandwagon on a townie with lots of pressure on him and votes on him. We look back on peoples previous actions and see which one had scumtells and seemed suspicious.

This logic holds,
for whomever the bell tolls.

Its not new information,
for this great nation.

Thus pushing specific,
Does not seem terrific.

Lynching for knowledge
not day 1 in college.

[SpyreX]

Is this where we stall,
and no one shall fall?

The cases are stated,
the votes have been slated.

We're only missing one,
before there's some fun!

[SpyreX]

Are we so meek
that it will take a week?

[SpyreX]

More pieces come out,
I have to shout.

Its time for the kill,
who has the will.

Trying to use fear,
doesn't endear.

Every step of the way,
nothing good to say.

The time has drawn neigh,
for Gorrad to close his eye.

[SpyreX]

If your role was as stated,
I'd be deflated.

I doubt this is true,
I'll give the mod due.

You'd take half of his fun,
and with your role done?

I'm not buying,
I'm pretty sure you're lying.

[SpyreX]

I lended my hand,
to the demise of sirdan.

He never gave yummy
feelings in my tummy.

I still cant believe,
what Gorrad achieved.

Before we're in traction,
I'd like fleurs action.

[SpyreX]

Before we're in traction,
I'd like fleurs action.

I dont want it hid,
Something last night you did?

Are you even paying attention,
to the game in mention?

I shot sirdan dead,
a bullet in the head.

[SpyreX]

The games are through.
I was targeted with a shoe.

Its easy to admit,
that it didn't fit.

However when asked,
fleur didn't admit to the task.

So now I surmise,
that her role was lies.

Vote: Fleur

And now to test my mettle,
I'm asking for Gretel.

Her brother is torqued,
For he was obviously pork.

I'm willing to assume,
that she is no loon.

So despite our new troubles,
with her outed town doubles.

[SpyreX]

No, there was not forgot
I definitely shot.

In addition a clue,
I was presented a shoe.

If I may demur,
that matches with fleur.

Yet when I asked,
she didn't come to task.

So without even trying,
I think she is lying.

[SpyreX]

And now I would,
remember pie is good.

I'm totally confused,
and afraid I would lose.

Fluer to be clear,
I need to hear

The target of your action,
and the Mod's given reaction.

[SpyreX]

What makes you sure that Porkens was Hansel? I can get why you thought he was one of the two characters, but why Hansel by name?

The answer by far,
lies in his avatar.

At the start of the game,
this picture did change.

To what it became?
Someone with that name.

As for the shoe,
I don't know what to do.

Fleur telling the truth,
picking me was uncooth.

But we've got no claim,
Saying fleur doesn't have her name.

So I have to believe,
she's not trying to deceive.

So pick with a reason,
Random is treason.

Unvote

As for where to look,
to find us a crook.

I'll need introspection,
before I find a direction.

By my mettle,
I'd still like to hear Gretel.

[SpyreX]

I will quip
In a game with no flip.

Every bit we can get
Can help us not get bit.

I'm going to assume that the pair,
is fair and square.

Thus confirming her narrows,
who we look for in barrows.

[SpyreX]

I dont find it dumb,
to think Gretel could be scum.

The idea that pork isn't town,
definitely makes me frown.

Answer me this dahill,
If he's scum who did they kill?

[SpyreX]

@Wolf: Yes, I have already breadcrummbed my role. God I hope the birds don't eat them.

I dont shoot from the hip,
it wasn't the only tip.

He was one or the other,
the avatar made me think brother.

Even if I'm wrong of which,
that doesn't chance the switch.

[SpyreX]

I find this to be true,
(I knew it was you )

The dahill suspicion,
I see the position.

A dance and a drink,
I'll have to think.

We've not enough talking,
nor even squawking.

We've fell on our heads,
most of us seem dead.

Lets pick it back up,
and drink from the cup!

[SpyreX]

It just seems such a safe thing to do, giving the shoe to someone who was so obviously not the person you were looking for, and now the question becomes why would someone who is possibly scum do that? The shoe didn't kill SpyreX nor did it seem to impede him in anyway. Actually before i go on with my train of thought, Spyrex, can you go into more detail about what happened with the shoe? Where you given it and tried it on and told it didn't fit (too big/too small)? Do you stil have it or did you give it back?

The words afloat,
we're in the same boat.

The shoe didn't fit,
was all I admit.

Nothing else was said,
so I'm confused in my head.

Plum isn't a nerd,
but to me confirmed.

Fleur doesn't make sense,
but I can't give the consequence.

Dahill doesn't give good feelings,
but why I'm still reeling.

Not trying to be scary,
but lurkers make me weary.

[SpyreX]

as for i know, i only communicated with mod, and i don't get the answer about if shoe fit a person or not, i only know that i got bonus. so i don't think spyrex was that involved in a thing either.

Your words are trying,
do you think I am lying?

[SpyreX]

Let me be clear,
to all who would hear.

If you decide she is fun,
she's not getting the gun.

The choice of my kill,
is up to my will.

So if you let her slip,
better be sure of the flip.

My stance was made,
before day 1 was paid.

And if I am scum,
kill number two did come?

[SpyreX]

In other terms having the power of vigilante doesn't show neither pro-town or scum alignment especially in the setup like this one. Looking back on your actions and the post I posted up I am confident in my suspicions. Also to add a little substance in a pairing between you and Fleur is that you decided not to kill Fleur during the night even when you were aggressively pushing a lynch on her. To back this you stated previously in your quoted post that (paraphrase)"It's the town's decision to decide wheter or not to let Fleur go or be lynched and you'll be holding out on a kill on her" A person who just the other day was trying to get her killed suddenly backs off and kills another person. Is it that when Gorrad was being pushed for a lynch that you retract your previous intention posts to kill Fleur off to give your partner another chance to survive?

So you're saying my role is apparent,
but my play is aberrant?

You're saying I'm vig,
but with a mafia sig?

Saying she's on my team,
and that we are both mean?

Unvote, Vote: Bio

This trick wouldn't fly,
if flips weren't denied.

I'd like to see reasons,
that I am scum season.

I'll not give you the lecture,
about baseless conjecture.

If the scum had two kills,
the town would have no thrill.

For the game to go well,
the mod balances the scale.

[SpyreX]

Before it gets out of hand,
I am my own man.

I'm willing to hear,
and often adhere

But if I dont agree,
the bullets on me.

I still dont like bio,
Her ploy she wouldn't try'o

If we had the flips,
I'd doubt she'd have tipped.

[SpyreX]

I dont know what to do
when it comes to you.

I am town all the way,
but what else would I say?

[SpyreX]

Dahill mainly because his logic for finding scum has been, i used process of elimination and because I(as in dahill) believe that everyone else is town, then YOU are scum. That sort of logic is flawed with so many holes that a small wind could rip it apart.

Prove to me that I, or Wolf, or Kloud are scum and I'll go along with you, but just by saying your own personal opinion, with no hard evidence (or as hard as evidence can get in Mafia) then I'm not going to beleive you, and it makes you appear scummy in my eyes.

The lastest time you used PoE was not the first either.

It would have been better,
if you had not grouped together

Why would you defend,
those two who dont bend?

Forcing that bond,
is frowned upon.

Unvote: Vote CC

[SpyreX]

I don't think Coheed defended anyone in his post- he placed the users next to him only because they were part of the scummy three for dahill

I'm not going to lie,
its bad to imply.

Hes forcing a connection between
him and those two unseen.

By referring as a group,
he puts in a loop.

Assuming if a case on any is weak,
that the attacker on all three is meek.

[SpyreX]

It wasnt't only by process of elimination, but it "mainly" was. That was the point I was trying to get across.

With three votes I'm willing to claim soon.

The bees are a buzz,
care to explain what your point was?

[SpyreX]

dahill can claim,
I've already guessed his name.

Coheed's play is scummy,
and that is not yummy.

[SpyreX]

We're all stuck in glue,
not knowing what to do.

Maybe we'll get somewhere if we speak,
no need for the meek.

Lets move ourselves ahead,
until one is dead.

[SpyreX]

Such bad abasement,
while waiting for replacement.

[SpyreX]

Explanation: I posted why I'm voting Fleur in previous posts. To sum up the role claim thing, I beleive she has a shoe, because that was confirmed by Spyrex, but her being the prince could IMO be real or fake, and even if its real she could still be scum. Her actions today (choice to give shoe to spyrex etc.)

and her actions yesterday(previous post/all day 1) just scream scum at me.

Only early in the day,
did you have anything to say.

These fears you now tote,
never did have a vote.

I'm not diggin this vibe,
your play doesn't jive.

[SpyreX]

What he says in his words,
when looking is absurd.

CC's falling back,
on a road he didn't attack.

[SpyreX]

I shot sirdan in the head,
thats why he's dead.

Nothing to you,
so what can I do?

[SpyreX]

Its nice to see words,
and most aren't absurd!

Was the question set forth by plum,
answered by everyone's chum?

[SpyreX]

Who is the hider,
for drinking Plum's cider?

[SpyreX]

An answer was given,
so what all is driven?

[SpyreX]

The time to claim,
is that the name of the game?

[SpyreX]

Gorrad (6): CoheedCambria09, wolframnhart, SpyreX, sirdanilot, Porkens, dahill1

Now, once Gorrad claims the scum learn that if he is lynched then there are no consequences to their actions. Suddenly there is no pressure. If we have two scum, I think there's a very good possibility both of them went on Gorrad's wagon. If we have three it's a little more questionable but I think at least two would be on that wagon.

This is not to say that traditional scumhunting shouldn't be done, but it's going to be harder to form conclusions. I think my starting point is the town's best place to look for scum. FoS: Cohhed, Spy, dahill I really wanted to post this after everyone answered, but I don't want to wait much longer to start discussing this.

If his role was true,
it hurt the scum too.

It has to be why I am living,
because protection may be thrilling.

However two could be,
on that lynch we did see.

Needless to say,
sirdan felt that way.

On the other side,
Porkens was fried.

His death isn't dumb,
for me it clears Plum.

CC I do feel,
has scum on his wheel.

Dahill needs to claim,
I already know his name.

On that topic,
claiming soon is tropic.

I am all but proven a killer,
Am I town is a thriller?

However even if you think I am not,
still then I'd be an SK shot.

That leave you yourself,
you tricksy little elf.

My opinion is null,
Even though you're not dull.

So for now I demur,
I do believe fleur.

Plum is ok,
thats what I say.

If dahill will claim,
it helps his name.

I know me,
thats who I be!

So my numbers are reduced,
to who gets the noose.

[SpyreX]

I think we agree,
about wolf and cc.

However I feel,
cc is the deal.

If dahills implies mother,
bio's would bad wolf brother?

Then the third little twich,
would be the witch.

[SpyreX]

I would like to know the final reasoning why people voted Gorrad. It is not that there was a mislynch - those happen all the time. His claim was confirmable. Having scum whose death removed vital game information makes zero sense IMO. How close was the deadline when this happened?

The claim didn't make sense,
I didn't expect the consequence.

I suspect, but I am the searcher and not the person searched for. Dahill is the one being looked for in his claim and he is the one with the information he says about who is scummy.

Who you're looking for is clear,
Hopefully they'll speak up near.

I'm trying to give direction,
by surmising a connection.

Wolf, Witch and Mother
Those would be the evil brothers.

[SpyreX]

Ok, so my name role is the Mother Goat, and my objective is to have the wolf lynched.

My boat is afloat,
I ne'er remember a Goat.

Can someone find,
where this is behind?

I know this would need,
a definite reread.

[SpyreX]

Before the demand,
SSK was at my hand.

[SpyreX]

Before we start twistin'
I think its time for the missions.

Names and the claims,
all are the same.

We must deduce us a liar,
and set them afire.

[SpyreX]

Why would a princess,
want to smash a scum guess?

[SpyreX]

Mod edit
Official Votecount:

Not voting (5): Plum, CoheedCambria09, dahill1, SpyreX, fleurdelys

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.

Onto the news,
I'm officially confused.

Plum still isn't dumb,
I really doubt she is scum.

The only route with me you could say,
Is that I could be SK.

(Put me in a trot,
of course I am not)

Dahill's princess did bud,
but she's out for blood?

CC is a goat,
who's mission went afloat.

(And for extra onus,
you better give us the bonus.)

Fleur's mission reward,
doesn't meet my accord -

On my suspicion,
it seems as though it would have helped

on

her mission.

Only with plum,
Am I sure of not scum.

With the other three,
things still dont make sense to me.

Fleur has bothered me most days,
with her strange play.

CC's claim is midly suspect,
because we can not check.

A princess in the mud,
looking for blood?

I'm torn here, as I think the vote should be between dahill and CC. Dahill was quick to come forward with his reasons for voting gorrad, CC not so much. Therefore: vote:dahill1

This quote does bother,
because the logic does falter.

Appearing to me,
He should have voted CC.

Perhaps a connection,
in a scum direction?

[SpyreX]

The next post better claim,
or else I will vote his name.

[SpyreX]

With my shot,
its the best that we've got.

Give me some time to consider,
who I'll take out to dinner.

[SpyreX]

Its hard not to get torqued,
when reading from Pork.

That was one path to me,
that I thought I would agree.

The nolynch could work,
but if 2 left we're jerked.

[SpyreX]

My first line is wrong,
I LIKE Porken's song.

[SpyreX]

I have decided,
I will not hide it.

Unvote, Vote: CC

I'm hoping not dumb,
I think he's the scum.

I doubt two are left,
so night should be bereft.

However if I am wrong,
One more shot for the song.

[SpyreX]

I've started a riot,
since now all is quiet.

Of us five,
am only I alive?

[SpyreX]

Its not a question of if,
but of who gets the splif.

No reason to stammer,
Dahill please hammer.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I bet there's gonna be a few questions around this game.

As for my PR? Well, I wish I could give you a better answer than - for fun. However, that is what it was. I have to assume it helped because...they didn't kill me (I assume they didn't think I was scumhunting?).

@Dahill: I sure didn't disregard it. It helped me push you to pro-town in my mind.

For the mod questions:

1.) Why wasn't Fleur lynched?
A.) Personally, its because she did the most WIFOM thing she could have possibly done - she gave me the shoe N1. It was hard to wrap my head around, but it -fit- so well with the rest of the bizarre play that I HAD to believe her. Trust me, I'd have been a gibbering idiot right now if fleur was scum and they won because of that move (I was shooting Dahill that night).

So yes, sometimes the "too stupid to be scum" argument does work (no offense Fleur).

2.) Why did everybody take the risk of not believing Gorrad's roleclaim?
A.) I elucidated on it some, but:
--- Gorrad WAS playing weird, especially towards lynch time.
--- The depth of his role changed from "flavor" to "flavor and flip" - being only concerned with the flip, that being added in really made me shake my head.
--- I didn't believe him.
--- Even IF he was telling the truth about his role BUT was scum - I do not think the town could have won. Being able to modify the flip would be the best scum power ever (if used properly).

3.) Why didn't everybody try harder to complete his mission?
A.) This I'd like to know to. Hell, my coming out as vig from mine should have been a hint that 1.) We had minimal power roles without it and 2.) The rewards WERE worth it.

4.) Why did town win anyway?
A.) Well, the answer to this lies in some serious questions for the scum:
1.)

Why

did you let me live? I mean, seriously.
2.) Why did you kill Porkens (who was going to end up on the block D2, almost guaranteed).
3.) Why did you NOT kill Plum after it was appallingly obvious she was town AND a mason?

Those three lend to it: Process of elimination. If I didn't shoot SSK N2 I was going to shoot CC, so. Fluer was so off the wall it didn't make sense for scum, Plum was town, dahill wasn't sending up huge warning flares - they made the target list nice and small.

Fun game, all in all.

[SpyreX]

Can I see scumchat?

[SpyreX]

Ohh thats beautiful. I lived because my rhymes made the scum paranoid! PERFECTION

[SpyreX]

Well, see, if you had said that versus what you did - just maybe I wouldn't have shot you in the head that night.

[SpyreX]

HEY now, my PR kept my ego in check pretty decently. I tend to do alright when I don't get the "You're an idiot" or "Learn to read" etc.

(Of course I just re-read all of Tranquility - wow)