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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:33 am

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I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet. I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4. i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

Now I'll just wait


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Fleurdelys (2): Gorrad, dahill1
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:44 am

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fleurdelys wrote:I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet.
...
ok first of all, lurking is
not
a good tactic regardless of alignment, so please don't remain quiet just because you have the most votes.
fleurdelys wrote:I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me.
this sentence is kinda contradictory..
fleurdelys wrote:1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
ok now we're getting somewhere..what made you think his character was pro-town?
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
so you trusted him just to be contrary?
fleurdelys wrote:3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
what made you act differently when you read our assumptions?
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:47 am

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I was afraid that people will vote for him because they don't trust him, and i wanted him to stay to see what will happen and if i was right about it
secondly, you wrote a lot about his character being ambivalent to the story, so that made me think that it wasn't so obvious for him to be on the good side
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:32 am

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I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet. I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4. i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

Now I'll just wait
I dont think I am dense,
this just doesn't make sense.

Stopping your posts,
just because of votes?
I think I have to say,
this is bad play.

Your thoughts I would puncture
about trusting me at this juncture.

My character is apparent,
trusting IT would be errant.

If the brain functions,
there are no assumptions

I know I'm not sleazy,
but worrying I am is easy.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:32 am

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When I first appear, I seem mysterious
But when explained, I'm nothing serious
This makes me giggle,
the answer is riddle!
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:54 am

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SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:56 am

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fleurdelys wrote:SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?
i am fairly sure that the mod would not include a role in this game in which all the town would die if a player with that role dies
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:57 am

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is that suppose to be a role hint? or are you just trying to intimidate us?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:00 am

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CoheedCambria09, i don't think i should reveal which one of the above
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:05 am

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ok, but I also agree with dahill. I honestly dont think we have a mod who is mean enough to put a role like that, which you may or may not be hinting at, into the game.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:05 am

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SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?
I must be delirious,
you can't be serious.

Only idea that festers,
is that you are a jester.

That will not stop,
my lynching this fop!

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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:06 am

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fleurdelys wrote:I am so sorry Biohazard, but my new tactic is to remain quiet. I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2. why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4. i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

Now I'll just wait
Actively lurking is not going to do any good. If your town then participate within discussion and if you believe the votes on you are unjustified then present your reasons for doing so. Staying quiet and doing nothing is going to hurt not only yourself but also the town. Everybodies part in the discussion is essential and lurking is defiantly not going to do anything except hinder discussion.

Also to comment on your statements: I'm not sure I quite understand them. Your first statement I understand. You were thinking of another character and found him for some inexplict reason to be pro-town. Like I said before "
any character can have a different alignment. At this point of the game its too early to assume an alignment on someone even if their role is known.
"

Your second statement confuses me. You stated before you would defend him because you found him pro-town in the game. Here you state that you wanted to defend him because people couldn't trust him so you wanted him to stay? So you found him pro-town and people couldn't trust him and you went with your best instinct and wanted to defend him.

Your third statement confuses me as well. Why my post specifically? If I'm correct I believe people had posted before me on the character's background. It's kind of odd that my post was singled out.

For you fourth statement: Like I said don't just lurk and stay out of discussion. Just because you have votes on you dosen't specifically mean your automatically proven scum. If you feel you aren't scum then make a case for yourself and participate in discussion.

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Mod:I believe I unvoted Gorrad and my vote is now on fleur
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:11 am

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i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.; however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well. this is why you should give me a chance
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:11 am

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Whoa hold on a sec
Unvote:fleur
Fos:Sprye X
Lynch -2 from a person already? Oppurtunstic much?[/b]
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:14 am

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fleurdelys wrote:i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.; however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well. this is why you should give me a chance
I cant automatically assume that your confirmed town. Like I said "If you feel that votes on you are unjustified and your town then present a case and defend yourself" Also I like you to respond to the points I presented on you in my last post.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:15 am

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SpyreX wrote:
When I first appear, I seem mysterious
But when explained, I'm nothing serious
This makes me giggle,
the answer is riddle!
Quite possibly. It, like the flavor, is a quote from 'Into the Woods'.
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:17 am

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i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.;
however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well
. this is why you should give me a chance
I am no mystic,
how is this opportunistic?

I'm definitey not yelling,
but this looks like flailing.

I know I'm not slow
so what kind of role?

I know its so rude,
but not even a noob

Would be so dumb,
to say they help scum!
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:19 am

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fleurdelys wrote:SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?
Whoa just caught this post. There is no way that the mod would put such a thing here as well as their is no such fairy tale character that has the ability to do this. Is this some kind of gambit to save yourself? Basically this is saying "Hey guys need to be kept alive or else every single towns member will die"

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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:21 am

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Its good we dont fight,
I'm glad you see the light.

Lets get this done,
and bag newbie scum!
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:21 am

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SpyreX wrote:
i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.;
however, it is highly important for the townies but important for scums as well
. this is why you should give me a chance
I am no mystic,
how is this opportunistic?

I'm definitey not yelling,
but this looks like flailing.

I know I'm not slow
so what kind of role?

I know its so rude,
but not even a noob

Would be so dumb,
to say they help scum!
I wanted to give her a chance to put a proper defense until I caught that gambit of her role claim (or role power) Its too ridiculous to even pass off as a real role claim.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:24 am

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i don't think spyre's vote was opportunistic as fleur is pretty damn scummy.
i'm thinking she should probably claim now
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:25 am

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Now that you see,
I'm glad we agree.

Its time for a fire,
under this liar.

No role can abide
that helps both sides

Although she started to squirm,
lets hook this worm.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:27 am

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dahill1 wrote:i don't think spyre's vote was opportunistic as fleur is pretty damn scummy.
i'm thinking she should probably claim now
Agreed. A role claim would be good around now.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:30 am

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Perhaps now a batter,
for my small matter?

I've given a handle,
so can we gamble?

Repeating is lame,
so please say my name!
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:05 am

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Got a little side-tracked yesterday evening, so I apologize--will now post something of value.

Opinions of the game thus far:

Despite Fleur being new, I cannot help but get an off feeling about her. My scumdar has been fluctuating ever since her initial responses to interrogations made by Hazard and almost everyone else. Of course, I will not rule out the fact that her earlier stated opinions could simply be newbie misconceptions, but I am also not going to just simply disregard her actions because inexperience either. To me, the outright defense of a player this early in the game would be suspicious no matter who expressed the thought, for we have no inclination yet as to alignments. Her reasoning for defending Spyre was comprised of:
fleurdelys wrote:i think i might know who SpyreX is in the game, and I definitely am going to fight for his life:P
fleurdelys wrote:spyrex rhymes and things-it is cool and i was thinking more in terms of Grimm tales, and his rhymes remind me of one story, and basically it is a rather good character-good for me
which, as others have already pointed out, is utterly irrelevant and nonobjective. Each facet of her reasoning in this early portion was comprised of personal opinion void of solid reasoning (as we really don't have anything to base a solid case off of at this point), which arouses two conflicting trains of thought on the matter to me; either she is indeed simply a newbie trying to figure out the game mechanics and did not realize her actions were coming off as scummy, or she is indeed scum that has been caught due to an early profound slip. Reason for both have left me contemplating this, and I am at an utter loss at the moment.

This being said, I still cannot ignore posts such as:
fleurdelys wrote:i should not say anything else, however, deeply in my heart i want to defend my stupidity:p
Gorrand, I have actually applied to one of the newbie's game; however, this one has started first and so i'm here.on the other hand, i heard about the game from an obsessed friend so i know SOMETHING.
i thought about my role and what i think spy rex character is, and i thought we should be on one side in terms of the game. however, i was thinking of a completely different character than you guys, so i'm confused as everybody.
hope i'm not going to finish this game so quickly, GORRAD;)
Due to the stark Appeal to Emotion, and:
fleurdelys wrote:I am so sorry Biohazard,
but my new tactic is to remain quiet.
I think I am confused with what i said, and it makes sense to me. This is what I though:
1. From Spyrex rhymes I thought I know his character in grimm tales, and reckoned it was a good character, yes pro-town, and I should defend him
2.
why should i defend him? just because people were saying he shouldn't be trusted so early at this stage- so i thought i would make him stay
3. after reading your assumptions of what his character is, i lost my trace and stopped acting enthusiastic about it
4.
i'm done cause i got the greatest amount of votes

Now I'll just wait
1) Intentionally lurking is not pro-town, as we need all of the conversation we can make in order to get information. Trying to jump out from under the microscope at this point by simply avoiding further questions and lurking will not help your case, and the mere idea just rubs me the wrong way.

2) So you defended him just because others said he couldn't be trusted. I think many players also said that no one at this point could be trusted, so why defend Spyre?

3) Yes, you have the greatest amount of votes, but we only have five pages of content thus far. If you are town, then giving up/being quiet just because people are voting for you will not prove to be beneficial for much the same reasons given in 1.

Then there is the latest:
dahill1 wrote:
fleurdelys wrote:SpyreX, don't worry about me-i'm the one who talks more then anybody here, so it's bad to judge if shutting up would be a bad idea in my case. it's weird that the players did not think about my role at all. What if my death means that all the town dies?
i am fairly sure that the mod would not include a role in this game in which all the town would die if a player with that role dies
QFT.

FoS: Fleur
I would vote for you at this point, but it is only page five and you are at L-1, and I do not think ending the day so quickly will provide us with much information. You should definitely claim now.

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