Mini 635: WOMAFIA - Forbiddanlight + Vagina-Haters win!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:22 am

Hey everyone, I looked around, and it seems the best idea that I should claim right away so here it is. I'm a

Douchebag

(

Miller

). This is my image

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:47 am

Serious claim. From what I read in MD, most said it was the best idea to claim D1.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:35 am

What now?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:40 am

"Miller strategy?" That's it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #25 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:05 am

That's just silly, what would I be a recruiter for? I could see a cult of asexuality or men or something. But a recruiter for a bag of water? I'm just a miller.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #30 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:43 am

I certainly hope so Falcone, I'm suspicious of anyone who would ignore my claim, Why Faerie Lord though?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #33 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:55 am

farside22 wrote:
Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Mirth wrote:Hmmmmm. So you're saying you think he might be a cult recruited?
He certainly can't be a recruit - we haven't had a night yet.

Belated random
Vote: xyzzy
What does having a night have anything to do with if he is a recruit or not?

Let me clear this up. Vivian thought that Mirth said that I might be a cult recruit, instead of what Mirth mean that I might be a cult recruiter. That's why she said it's not possible.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #36 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:15 am

Unvote: Falcone; Vote: Farside22

Why are you man-hating so much? You have a kid!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #38 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:18 am

Breast singular? Now that's moderately disturbing.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #42 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:27 am

Oh don't even Darla. Also, your opinion on my claim?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #45 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:32 am

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #46 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:33 am

Whatever you say Bruce, but I think we should stop mixing games.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #49 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:35 am

I dunno Bruce. Following that logic we should lynch Bruce, because John Cleese hates Belgians.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #51 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:36 am

Well frankly, there's no better way to handle being a Miller.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #56 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:40 am

That's the fundamental problem with Miller, either create WIFOM, seem like scum, or lie. Obviously that only leaves me with one good option.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #59 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:46 am

Mirth wrote:Darla, if you were a miller, what would you do?

Actually, this question goes out to everybody.

:goodposting: Now, answer your own question.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #61 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:47 am

The Miller appears guilty to all investigations, but is pro-town.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #66 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:52 am

It was just my role PM picture, and I posted it because from my perspective the more open I am about it, the more inclined people are to believe me.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #68 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:55 am

DarlaBlueEyes wrote:I would Probably Play Pro-Town as I could and claim somepoint on D2 so its not out of the box loop hole, and its not a desperate L-1 or post investigation scramble.

Why not claim earlier? It's an endless WIFOM circle, you were either coming up with the idea as scum, or trying to cause as little chaos as possible as town.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #72 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:16 pm

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:Hmmm... it would seem to make sense with the flavor (Douchebag: article of feminine hygiene or terrible person? You decide)

She got it in one.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #89 (isolation #20) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:37 am

ThAdmiral wrote:The flavour makes sense so I'm going to treat gurgi as a confirmed town from here on in.

I am in no way confirmed, please don't.

Other than that, DBE is at L-3. I still don't think that what she said is particularly scummy, just not particularly smart.

Just to point something out, Falcone, who in this game haven't you FOS'd, IGMEOY'd, or Voted?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #96 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:27 pm

Falcone wrote:EBWOP:
FoS: xyzzy
for #77 and
FoS: farside22
for #81.

For the record, my threshold for giving FoS and IGMEOY's is very low. They are a way to ask people for clarification for scummy posts or suspicious behaviour and are not necessarily meant to be an indication for whether or not I want to lynch that player.

Yeah, that's what I meant Falcone, now that I know, it's not a big deal, just not used to so many in such a short space of time.

@Mariyta and Spacecase, answer Mirth's question. Stop avoiding it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #104 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:04 am

Spacecase wrote:The question about the miller role? Well if thats the case I would probably lay low and play the pro-town side until i come under investigation which then i would claim miller role.... But thats just what I would do.

Then you would be summarily lynched, or at least I would lynch you under those circumstances.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #137 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:30 pm

Well I usually find DBE scummy, but for whatever reason I'm not getting that read this game. I'm also not seeing farside as town, in fact closer to scum, which is throwing me off, because I usually get a town read off her.

Scumlist ATM:
1. Farside22
2. Nonny
3. Mariyta

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #139 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:42 pm

Two of her three posts, ignoring the random vote post.

nonny wrote:bra's do suck mirth. Poeple always make fun of how big mine is, and I can never buy pretty ones cause they don't come in anything over D. >.<

I hate miller claims for the earlier reasons stated. Though the only logic I see for the uncle sam poster is that uncle sam is supposed to be a good guy but a lot of poeple don't like him and associate his picture with the military or a draft which is seen as bad. I have no clue what any of that has to do with us as women though.

Managed to post feelings on my claim, all without saying whether or not she believes it or not. Also has not answered the Mirth question.

nonny wrote:
unvote
it was random and don't really see why there is the bandwagon. Fuller post coming once i re-read.

I don't buy a page 5 reread. And I think it would have been done by now, if it was important for her to be able to post content. I cannot account for real life of course, but I think that a 5 page reread counting D1 lolness should take all of a half hour maximum.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #142 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:35 pm

I have no life and stalk almost every player in games they have finished.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #157 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:40 pm

Because she wants it know that the clock is ticking.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #196 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:58 am

Well I'd kill Spacecase, otherwise xyzzy. They aren't helping the town, and I doubt they will be lynched for it. By fire be purged and all that.

Anyway, can we get everyone to give a top 3 scumlist and townlist? Anyone who puts themselves on their townlist I will vote for.

Scum
1. Farside22
2. FaerieLord
3. Nonny

Town
1. ThAdmiral
2. Elvis_Knits
3. Mirth

That's it. Maybe this will start some decent discussion.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #198 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:06 am

Sorry, didn't know that was taboo.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #200 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:08 am

Gone for most of 'em, massive health problems and all that.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #204 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:33 am

They're lurkers, I have no reads on them either way, they aren't contributing. I think that having a lurker (or two) hurts the town a lot, by distracting the town from scum, or alternatively, causing the town to miss the scum all together.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #208 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:42 am

Because the Mod is God? I dunno, I think I forgot she was mod. I won't correct it though since that would be bad, right? I need more sleep.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #210 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:44 am

Spacecase wrote:How do you forget who the mod is?

I'm sorry, is this a scum-tell? Why do you care? It was just a mistake, what's the issue?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #229 (isolation #33) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:23 am

I'm also quite comfortable my vote right now. But Spacecase is quickly climbing his way up my suspicion ladder.

I do not like how neither Falcone or Farside actually answered my question.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #232 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:03 am

farside22 wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:I'm also quite comfortable my vote right now. But Spacecase is quickly climbing his way up my suspicion ladder.

I do not like how neither Falcone or Farside actually answered my question.
What is your question?

@Mirth: Based on my reading in the game and just what I feel scum do in typical situation do I have issues with DBE. It is the well if no one is is scummy then we should lynch LG. I know she is around and posting elsewhere, but the fact that she is avoiding actual participation in this game after some of the heat is off of her leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

List of Suspicions, if you please.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #258 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:27 am

Well. I stand by my vote, but unless DBE responds I can't say that it isn't a deserved deadline lynch.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #261 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:41 pm

Mirth wrote:
unvote:Mariyta
vote:Spacecase

I do not like the prospective Darla lynch. Yes she has not been playing, but she is not the most guilty of the nonplayers.

If DarlaBlueEyes does become more active, I will vote Spacecase, but until then I am not going to participate in the lurker lynching. I am still sure about Farside22.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #263 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:48 pm

Mirth wrote:What does Darla's activity have to do with Spacecase if you're voting Farside?

I am in support of a DBE deadline, IF she does not start participating, if she does, then Spacecase is the better choice for being non-helpful-participant. Were than I had more of a tangible case on Farside, I would be pushing it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #268 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:22 pm

farside22 wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:
Mirth wrote:
unvote:Mariyta
vote:Spacecase

I do not like the prospective Darla lynch. Yes she has not been playing, but she is not the most guilty of the nonplayers.
If DarlaBlueEyes does become more active, I will vote Spacecase, but until then I am not going to participate in the lurker lynching. I am still sure about Farside22.
If you are going to push a case can you lay it out more then just gut if you want a response?

Lord Gurgi wrote:
Mirth wrote:What does Darla's activity have to do with Spacecase if you're voting Farside?
I am in support of a DBE deadline, IF she does not start participating, if she does, then Spacecase is the better choice for being non-helpful-participant. Were than I had more of a tangible case on Farside, I would be pushing it.

I believe I already answered that, I'm not pushing your wagon at the moment, not anymore than saying I'm sure at any rate, but as soon as you slip up, I'll be there.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #272 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:58 pm

ThAdmiral wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:I believe I already answered that, I'm not pushing your wagon at the moment, not anymore than saying I'm sure at any rate, but as soon as you slip up, I'll be there.
I know I have you pegged as near-certain town, but this is just bad.
I hope you're joking or something.

Smiley = Joking. But Farside22's interest in my reasons is making me heavily doubt my suspicions.

Unvote; FoS Farside22

I generally don't use FoS's as I think they are useless, but at the moment they really convey my feelings.

I'm going to try and figure out who I want to vote for before the deadline gets here.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #274 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:35 pm

Mirth wrote:LG, I refuse to give a townlist as that would only help scum, and am not happy with you for asking for it. In light of the last few posts, my possibly scum list looks as follows:

That would be why, I wasn't aware of it, and I guess that means you aren't either, but it would also mean you aren't reading very closely.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #277 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:02 am

Mirth wrote:Soooo instead of putting forth a case for Mariyta, who you'd rather vote but ranked less scummy than me, off of gut feeling, you're just going to follow along with whatever is going on?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #297 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:01 pm

Mariyta wrote:
FaerieLord wrote:
Mariyta wrote:I'm keeping my vote where it is until I see something more solid from Faerielord. The more she posts, the more I feel I made the right move. She still comes across as scum trying to post enough to seem useful while staying under the radar.
You're saying I'm staying under the radar? Hypocritical, much?
That is true, but at least I'm trying to post more, unlike some who make promises they don't keep.

"It's ok, because

I'm

doing it."

You're both doing it, stop whining about it and fix it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #299 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:22 pm

Spacecase wrote:
Claim: Mason

I am unsure about procedure here, should the partner confirm them, or what?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #301 (isolation #44) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:46 pm

Mariyta wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:
Spacecase wrote:
Claim: Mason
I am unsure about procedure here, should the partner confirm them, or what?
I think that would be a bad idea. If he really is a mason, two townies are outed right away.

He narrows it down to Falcone, ThAdmiral, or Xyzzy...

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #306 (isolation #45) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:58 pm

elvis_knits wrote:
RULES

8) Do not quote your role PM. You may, however, quote the photo that accompanies your role PM.

For Nonny.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #312 (isolation #46) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:12 pm

Mariyta wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:
Spacecase wrote:
Claim: Mason
I am unsure about procedure here, should the partner confirm them, or what?
I think that would be a bad idea. If
he
really is a mason, two townies are outed right away.

In my complete brilliance, I thought Spacecase had said this, I took it to mean that Spacecase knows that her mason partner is male. Put it down to male stupidity and disregard it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #328 (isolation #47) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:35 am

Spacecase wrote:I have to find my "partner" during the night. Once i do find my fellow mason, i can talk to him or her during the night

Can we get your rolename and picture please. The fact that it's dribbling out is not encouraging.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #340 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:42 am

Does Post 196 not suffice Farside?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #344 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:18 am

Yes it does Farside, my suspicion of you is that feeling that makes me think that you are scum, regardless of the lack of incriminating evidence. I'm not going to vote for someone if I do not think they have a chance of being lynched, and this is especially pertinent at deadline.

Anyway, unless Spacecase gives us a name along with a picture soon he's getting my vote.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #366 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:51 pm

196: Partially because I wanted to start some discussion, as the town was kind of stalling, lurkers had gotten up to 5/12, I was willing, and always am, to look a little scummy to do the pro-town thing.

204: I think lurkers are great dayvig or vig targets, becuase as town, they don't respond to scrutiny, unless it is the entire town boring down on them, and obviously the mafia won't kill them, so they are best killed before lylo when they could screw things up; whereas scum lurkers are often left to get away with it, since people often aren't willing to risk killing a useless townie to get a scum that might be hiding. I am.

272: It's a tell I rely on quite regularly, all town and some scum will inquire into the reasons, town will probe for every last scrap of reasons, and the remaining scum will disregard the suspicion as unfounded. My feeling is that Farside probed and didn't give up until I flat out said I had only gut.

Also my deductive skills tell me your name is Vivian. Any other questions for me?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #375 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:38 am

Sounds like a plan to me. It seems that Spacecase has gone back into the woodwork when ForLight came in, when the focus shifted away from him.

I have my period vote count

:

DarlaBlueeyes - 3 (forbiddanlight, farside, ThAdmiral)

faerielord - 2 (Mariyta, vivian darkblaam)
farside - 2 (Lord Gurgi, falcone)
spacecase - 2 (DBE, mirth)

12 alive, 7 to lynch!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #384 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:31 pm

I was also unsure of whether or not we were just going to start.

1. Spacecase (Needs to give us a name and a picture and such)
2. Farside (I've gone over this to death)
3. DBE (Still not participating)

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #409 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:23 am

That really grew quickly. Don't have much else to say, I tentatively believe the claim, but the suspicion that was there didn't go away. Mostly just letting you all know I'm alive.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #415 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:41 am

It's roughly 40 hours to lynch I believe. So.... Anyone for some cookies? I baked them myself.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #417 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:54 am

I raise you this little dude.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #419 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:00 pm

Very cute. I must say I like the bear most. Unfortunately his ear is wrong so one goes forward and the other goes back.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #420 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:01 pm

EBWOP: I mean my guy is wrong, not yours ._.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #422 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:05 pm

Sexism! But thanks anyway >.>

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #426 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:08 pm

Mariyta wrote:Yeah, well, I made a stuffed donkey in 7th grade Home Ec, so there!

Picture?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #427 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:09 pm

I would also like to

assure

the mod that this is game related. It's um... An advanced scum hunting technique, yeah that's it!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #429 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:15 pm

Then wouldn't you be linking to large, muscled men not wearing very much? Probably lobotomized too if I know feminists.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #431 (isolation #62) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:26 pm

Mirth wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:Then wouldn't you be linking to large, muscled men not wearing very much? Probably lobotomized too if I know feminists.
Because then I'd have to look at pictures of said, probably half-naked men, and I don't enjoy looked at people obviously on steroids? If you want to appease her with pictures of body builders of the like, you do so.

You're trying to distract the mod. You do it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #435 (isolation #63) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:45 pm

Going to hammer when I come back tomorrow if she hasn't posted by then, tired of waiting.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #448 (isolation #64) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:18 am

Vote: Farside

. As per my reasoning yesterday.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #454 (isolation #65) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:12 am

Upon a quick reread: She asked me why I would have my picture and didn't lean heavily either way on the issue of my claim. Also she tried to straw-man all the metas being used on her, on the basis that people disagree, which is ludicrous, because there's always dispute over meta. Putting me on her LoS because I think she's suspicious but up till now I haven't given any reasoning, which for me is not a scum-tell, especially to the point of #2 on her LoS, which would, with the lynch of DBE make me #1 for not giving reasons for voting her.

How many votes is it to lynch?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #457 (isolation #66) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:17 am

Her case was based on my actions, and she hasn't done much else than bounce back and forth between Mariyta, DBE, and Xyzzy; so I don't know what I can take out of that, other than she seems content to straw man me and ignore me otherwise. I don't think it's OMGUS for me considering I'm #1 on hers because of my case, not my actions. It applies both ways.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #458 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:18 am

EBWOP: That should read: Her case wasn't based on my actions...

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #461 (isolation #68) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:29 am

Sorry? Part of MY case is her reaction to my claim. To my knowledge nothing in her case is about my claim.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #463 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:46 am

Murrrr. Agree.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #478 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:25 am

In retrospect my case regarding Farside is horrible in comparison with Falcone's or just about anyone's for that matter. I agree with practically all of his case.

Concerning my reasoning, point #3 was not OMGUS, she put me on her LoS not because I was being scummy but because I suspected her and wasn't giving much to support it, and so she did the same and put me on her list with basically OMGUS reasoning.

I am not sure how this will be viewed but I would

implore

any and all pro-town roles to kill me, as that would be better than wasting a lynch on me.

ForbiddanLight wrote:I could, although I felt Mirth was town anyway through my original read. Of course I didn't know it and looked for anything that could be pinned on her (like I did for everyone), but I didn't find much, if anything. The interactions didn't really affect much for me.

This sounds totally wrong, it seems like a subtle way to clear herself of the Mirth kill.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #481 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:43 am

Why no comments on my request to be night killed?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #484 (isolation #72) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:16 am

1. I state I am suspicious of her.
2. She asks why.
3. I say I am not sure why.
4. She puts me on her LoS.
5. I say that's scummy.

I suppose it's double OMGUS in some ways.

What I am saying Nonny, is that my WIFOM is best resolved with a night kill. Not by wasting a lynch.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #491 (isolation #73) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:13 am

Falcone wrote:That said, I certainly support any vigilantes we may or may not have to kill Lord Gurgi should he not be lynched today, even if said vigilante is a one shot role. If nothing else, it will bring the game to an odd number of players, which is in the town's favour.

Yeah exactly. And there's no better player to vig, unless the vig really feels they've found scum, which they may think if/when they shoot me.

I am confused why people think I'm fishing for a vig, first it's stupid for scum to request that, because knowing there is a vig isn't worth the loss of a scum buddy, second are you really expecting someone to pop up and say they're vig? I'll either make it through the night or I won't.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #493 (isolation #74) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:27 am

Mirth is dead so I think all your questions to her are going to go unanswered. Anyway, in all the games I've finished that had a cop I was investigated, by Farside once, in fact. But then I don't think that means that I draw investigations, since that's only two games.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #496 (isolation #75) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:29 am

farside22 wrote:I don't remember being a cop in a game with you. I could be wrong.

SSW III?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #500 (isolation #76) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:55 pm

farside22 wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:I'm personally not convinced by falcones case (especially because it also goes as far to suggest that lord gurgi is the scum partner). And I still don't understand why, if you were trying to get the town to look at a farside lynch, you wouldn't have actually mentioned it yesterday.
Who is that last line directed to. I know Falcone attacked me most of yesterday wanting a lynch. LG only comment was "I usually read farside as scum" which is nothing at all.

I believe you mean town. I think you're scum now.

Vote Count:
Farside - 3 - (Falcone, forbiddanlight, Lord Gurgi)
Lord Gurgi - 1 (Farside22)

With 10 Alive, 6 to lynch!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #509 (isolation #77) » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:13 pm

His blatant defense of myself is disconcerting. I don't know what I can do about it however.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #513 (isolation #78) » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:42 am

I almost feel bad for doing this but, bump.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #516 (isolation #79) » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:30 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:
I almost feel bad for doing this but, bump.
Nothing to say about mine or ThAdmiral's latest post? There is always content.

I agree with you. What more can I say? I realize that requesting night kill doesn't look good, but I think it really is the best for the town. ThAdmiral is just assuming that I am town, I really can't fix that.

Will post feelings on Incognito's post later, I'm tired.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #518 (isolation #80) » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:38 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:
I agree with you. What more can I say? I realize that requesting night kill doesn't look good, but I think it really is the best for the town. ThAdmiral is just assuming that I am town, I really can't fix that.
Aye, but what do you think about ThAdmiral finding you town?

I think it's stupid, but not necessarily scummy, he doesn't seem to say much that is particularly scummy, to me, but absolutely nothing that is pro-town. So I'm rather neutral on him at the moment. I still think farside is the lynch for today.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #528 (isolation #81) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:35 pm

FaerieLord wrote:That defense was god horrible, ThAdmiral. I am really tempted to vote you for it

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #537 (isolation #82) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:25 pm

Incog is it all right with you if I don't respond to your PBP? I read it don't get me wrong, but I said I would respond to it, but I really can't work up the interest as his response was better than anything you could have brought against him, short of a screenshot of his inbox getting a scum role.

Following that logic I am going to

Unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #557 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:27 pm

So. Brief summary, ThAdmiral tries to defend himself by making Incognito bad rather than defending against the points, excluding one instance which was weak. Incognito gets owned by ForbiddanLight.

I'm going to go get a noose.

Incognito: All the best women are lesbians.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #559 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:57 pm

I can't match these huge posts, not at my current busy level. But the first sentence was fully serious. The problem with his defense it is about 60% deflection, 20% straw man, 15% actual defense, and 5% total garbage.

To all those not currently voting ThAdmiral: Why?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #565 (isolation #85) » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:07 pm

Incognito wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:@ Incognito: Weighing it all up I have to ask: why do you think that I would need to set up these wishy-washy options for myself in the first place? Do you feel that I would be incapable of attacking someone if I hadn't vaguely mentioned them before?
I don't know. This is the first game I've ever encountered you so technically I'd have no way of knowing what you're capable and incapable of doing. I'll have to make it a point either tomorrow or the day after to have a look at some of your previous games to see what your play is like as town and as scum. All I'm saying is is that your current pattern of play seems more consistent with the play of someone who I'd expect to be pro-scum as opposed to pro-town. That's my main argument.

This seems an awful lot like bringing in meta for a guy that hates meta.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #569 (isolation #86) » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:50 pm

Incognito wrote:Who hates meta?

ThAdmiral. I quoted yours because the response was part of the point I was trying to make.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #575 (isolation #87) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:22 pm

You'll claim when the town wants.

Vote Count:
ThAdmiral - 4 (Incognito, forbiddanlight, Lord Gurgi, Farie Lord)
Farside - 1 - (Falcone)
Lord Gurgi - 1 (Farside22)

With 10 Alive, 6 to lynch!

not voting:
nonny
Vivian Darkblaam
ThAdmiral
Mariyta

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #579 (isolation #88) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:00 pm

So then make a good case and I can personally guarantee I'll look at it. I am on your wagon because of your responses, more than the case. The second any suspicion went your way you blew up into OMGUS, deflection, and strawman.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #596 (isolation #89) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:25 pm

Let's see. I would vote for Farside, but I expect that there are two scum so four to lynch means they could quick her if she's not scum. I don't think Farside is back for another day to explain what she did.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #599 (isolation #90) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:24 pm

Two scum left, there are usually three in a twelve player game.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #601 (isolation #91) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:19 pm

Counter claims anyone? FL, do you have a LoS?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #604 (isolation #92) » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:17 am

Finally someone who doesn't disregard me as town for my claim. I don't think of scum in terms of partnerships, I find them individually, sure once a scum is dead then you go back and look, but speculation before their alignments are known is detrimental to the process IMO.

Vote: Farside22

. I am done holding my vote.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #606 (isolation #93) » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:08 am

Nonny, any thoughts on her read of you?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #618 (isolation #94) » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:05 pm

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:More specifically, what caused LG to drop his vote between 596 and 604?]

Getting more sure of my convictions the more I thought about it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #621 (isolation #95) » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:22 pm

Incognito wrote:Also, Gurgi,

Lord Gurgi wrote:
Vivian Darkblaam wrote:More specifically, what caused LG to drop his vote between 596 and 604?]
Getting more sure of my convictions the more I thought about it.
What in particular did you become more sure of? Can you outline your thought process to show why you became more positive about placing your vote on farside22 in 604?

My thought process is pretty erratic, but it just made more sense to me the more I thought about it. I guess I'm saying there's not really a fantastic way to explain it.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #637 (isolation #96) » Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:21 pm

Vivian: Not all of my suspicions are based solely in evidence like some other people. I just don't play that way. And I don't know about you, but when I sleep on something my thoughts will change or become more confirmed.

I really don't buy that Vivian is a real newbie, he/she is trying too hard at this point.

Farside: ThAdmiral never claimed SS. I don't believe so anyway. Further I don't buy the whole "I hammered him and thought he was the SS, so I must be town!" thing that I'm getting from your posts.

Everyone: Should we get a MC going?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #660 (isolation #97) » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:48 pm

I've covered this Incognito.

In other news, waiting for Farside to claim, if she continues to refuse to I strongly encourage lynching her and not needlessly dragging on the day.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #666 (isolation #98) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:43 am

Yes, and you win farside. I can't top that.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #669 (isolation #99) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:19 pm

What (s)he said.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:23 pm

So, almighty swami, if you win does everyone else lose? Also: Why aren't you voting yourself?

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:24 pm

Respond to my post Farside?

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:29 pm

Jesters in closed setups is widely considered to be bastard moddery, and even then, it doesn't equal loss for all other players, except in extremely rare circumstances. I think that it's more likely tat you're an SK by the claim, since Yeast Infections are bad but not vagina hating, or just mafia fake claiming.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:50 pm

If you were Jester, you wouldn't bother pointing that out, regardless of its truth. As Jester the last thing you want to do is reinforce your claim.

It makes sense to me, since a Jester just makes no sense at all, either I believe your flavour, which makes the most sense as an SK, second as mafia. Or I don't believe your flavour, which makes you SK or mafia. See how this works?

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:56 pm

Once Vivian claims a hammer would be fantastic.

FL: I think you can figure out what to do, please do ignore any steering.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #685 (isolation #105) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:03 pm

I would prefer expediency to dictate the claims at this point, I don't expect any major upsets.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #689 (isolation #106) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:29 pm

What were your actions?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #691 (isolation #107) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:39 pm

Quote if you please.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #693 (isolation #108) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:07 pm

Duh. Anyway, it's Viv and nonny we're waiting on now...

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #695 (isolation #109) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:16 pm

I was referring to the bandwagon stuff she promised us. Hurry up NabNab!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #697 (isolation #110) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:23 pm

Methinks this is a bad place, and a bad person upon whom, to use pick up lines. Especially ones as bad as that.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #700 (isolation #111) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:05 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:That was rather impressive in it's fail. I do have a girlfriend you know. Are you a
masochist of some sort that enjoys being shot down
guy?

Fixed.

But seriously, it's a pretty common thing.

VOTE COUNT

Farside - 3 - Lord gurgi, Forbiddanlight, farside

Not voting:

FaerieLord
Incognito
nonny
Vivian Darkblaam

With 7 alive, 4 to lynch!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #703 (isolation #112) » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:48 pm

Trying to avoid a lynch, scum?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #705 (isolation #113) » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:50 am

...Why?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #718 (isolation #114) » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:51 pm

No. He should decide on his own who he wants to kill.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #728 (isolation #115) » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:05 pm

Incognito wrote:I don't even know if she's... post... period.

Ahahahah, it's funny.

Anyways, I have no suggested flavour of the Cop (Or if there is one) in my PM.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #742 (isolation #116) » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:18 pm

My magic gut senses were right.

Anyway, I am thinking about who I suspect for now, Farside kind of pulled all my attention for a while so I'm going to have to reevaluate.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #745 (isolation #117) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:15 pm

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #747 (isolation #118) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:27 pm

Meh, I accept I was wrong about ThAdmiral, but he was playing

horribly

.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #750 (isolation #119) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:52 pm

Sheep smell, but yeah, I suppose you're right, I dunno what's up with this game.

VOTE COUNT:

NONE!

Not voting:
Viv
Incog
LG
nonny
Forbiddan

Lord Gurgi · Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:39 am

I am pretty sure of my scum pick at the moment. I'm waiting for nonny to post her scum pick first however.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:12 am

At the airport.

I'm just going to say Nonny is my pick for scum, followed by vivian maybe. These posts only served to confirm what I thought.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #775 (isolation #122) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:46 pm

I'm paying way too much for this internet, and I really don't have the time to bring up a full case, and on top of that I really don't think my case building skills are worth the effort. I'll try and bring something together soon though.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #782 (isolation #123) » Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:55 am

This is just an activity post. I really couldn't be bothered to make the nonny case until I see some others.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #784 (isolation #124) » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:03 am

Gurgi's Thoughts wrote:All I'm really waiting for is nonny's input about forbiddanlight and I, and Vivian's input about nonny. I feel like I've already made up my mind about everyone, but I'm willing to at least see where each of them are coming from before coming to a final conclusion.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #786 (isolation #125) » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:05 am

The women are reading my mind!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #789 (isolation #126) » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:12 am

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #798 (isolation #127) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:06 pm

Something to note: Nonny was on DBE wagon, not voting on Day 2, and was not on the Farside22 lynch.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #799 (isolation #128) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:07 pm

EBWOP: In fact she wasn't voting at the end of Day 3 either.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #810 (isolation #129) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:16 pm

nonny wrote:LG: and....?

The point is, that by day two, and certainly day three, you ought to be voting for

someone

. Unless you can't dredge up some reasonable qualification for fabricated results.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #812 (isolation #130) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:31 pm

nonny wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:
nonny wrote:LG: and....?
The point is, that by day two, and certainly day three, you ought to be voting for
someone
. Unless you can't dredge up some reasonable qualification for fabricated results.
Right, the wagons moved faster than I was able to read the arguments for an against. I wasn't going to vote for the sake of voting.

For two days you had absolutely no idea who you thought was scum, at least enough to vote for?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #814 (isolation #131) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:43 pm

I understand that you were busy, however I feel that a month is long enough to make a vote. The thing is, that you were only on a townie wagon, while I actually lynched scum. Do you see the disparity?

Incognito and Viv: Your thoughts on this?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #822 (isolation #132) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:39 am

Watch as that list from post 137 is every last scum. Just watch. At which point I expect a nom for Paragon of Mafia hunters or something!

Incog, I am a gut-based player, more and more as I play I go to gut, and it's working to some degree, need to work on my convincing abilities though.

nonny wrote:
lord gurgi wrote:Why no comments on my request to be night killed?
this still boggles me. Also, at that point it was completly odd. Since there is no known vig, if you truly are protown your wouldn't sacrfice your self like that and create even more WIFOM over your claim....odd, very odd.

The point was to resolve the WIFOM by killing me without wasting a town lynch. And my idea of being pro-town is being willing to sacrifice yourself so that the town wins.

nonny wrote:
lg wrote:What I am saying Nonny, is that my WIFOM is best resolved with a night kill. Not by wasting a lynch.
besides the fact that the vig is no dead this is still silly. Why waste a ig on you? Just to end WIFOM. Vig is something scum have no say in....so why waste something like that. Lynch is something scum and townies decide. Most information comes from it and it's not a fully protown thing...

Here you are dispelling my logic by claiming I am scum, if I want to remove the WIFOM surrounding myself, there is no way to do that without being dead. I fail to see how requesting death is a scum tell, I don't think it's a town tell either, but it's kind of unimportant if the request had been honoured.

nonny wrote:Now understand the admiral wagon....talk about bad play just from his "fixed" defense. But his longer defense is actually okay, the back an forth doesn't seem to accomplish much...just seeminly he said that she said that he said.

When I see someone spreading suspicion at absolutely everyone as the wagon on them builds, I see a scum making sure that absolutely no connections can be made to their scum partners. I don't think it's a good idea for a townie to ever do what he was doing, he committed almost every logical fallacy in the book.

nonny wrote:
theAdmiral wrote:You make a case! Just because I'm on the chopping block it doesn't mean the responsibility for finding scummy people lies on my head.

See that's another thing about this game - everybody is just sitting around waiting for someone else to do all the work.

You know what, I will make a case. I'll get back to you.
I agree fully with this, and thus makes me find LG more suspicious for saying
lg wrote:So then make a good case and I can personally guarantee I'll look at it. I am on your wagon because of your responses, more than the case. The second any suspicion went your way you blew up into OMGUS, deflection, and strawman.
Considering he had made no cases, and done almost nothing for himself.

See this is the pot calling the kettle black, you weren't voting for two solid days, and you accuse me of never having made a case. He was acting scummy as heck, and was only saying who he thought was town, not scum. He said he would make a case and I guaranteed I would look at it. What's the problem? You are failing to connect me to any actual acts of scumminess, just saying that certain things make you suspicious of me.

nonny wrote:LG(post 604) uhm only one person disregarded you as town based on your claim and you helped lynch him. Why so adamanet to not have poeply think you town? Also, I wouldn't call waiting half a page "holding off" on a vote....

I never want to be thought of as confirmed unless I am, because all that does is screw up the town. And look at the timestamps, the page was moving very slowly.

nonny wrote:
LG wrote:Vivian: Not all of my suspicions are based solely in evidence like some other people. I just don't play that way. And I don't know about you, but when I sleep on something my thoughts will change or become more confirmed.
why not? With out evidence you have nothing but gut.

And...? I'm a gut player, I'm not going to apologise for my playstyle to make it easier for you.

nonny wrote:Re-reading just makes me feel stupid. Farside was obviously scum and horrible at hiding it. Hindsight is 20/20 but this is see through....ugh now i honestly am mad at myself for not being more active..>.<

What is that? A post-bus? I don't see any townie ever saying that, it's comparable with congratulating the doc.

nonny wrote:Incog: COnfirmed Mason, not confirmed town
LG: miller claim
Nonny: vanilla
claim

Vivian: vanilla
claim

Forbiddan: vanilla
claim

Fixed.

nonny wrote:Just from those claims i'm leaning LG as the last scum.

The problem with basing things off of claims is that it's unreliable, at this point you're playing outguess the mod. The mod

couldn't

have put in a GF and a Miller with no cop,

could

she?

nonny wrote:
LG wrote: I really couldn't be bothered to make the nonny case until I see some others.
baaah, stop being a sheep and do your own work first!

Mr. Pot, meet Mrs. Kettle. I'm sure you'll get along fine.

nonny wrote:After reading through that, the only person I can see being scum is LG. Everyone else is seemingly acting town, and the main problems i originally was suspicious of were just playstyle, when seen one by one they are bothersome but seeing them for multiple pages made them more....personality then alignment.

And if I'm not scum, what then?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #826 (isolation #133) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 am

The reason I fixed it, is that it's important to stop you from portraying me as the only person claiming.

nonny wrote:it's horrible anti-town to just go off gut in my opinion

This is quite possibly the worst post this game. You are calling me scum for my playstyle.

Nonny, you are STRAWMANNING me, I told him I would look at a case that he made, when you are portraying me as demanding that he tell us who else to go after.

That said, I can't help but feel that Viv is slipping through the cracks as we fight this battle.

Can we get a list of preference for order of lynches?

Mine is:
1. nonny
2. Vivian Darkblaam

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #827 (isolation #134) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:19 am

nonny wrote:
Incognito wrote:nonny, what is it about Vivian's single line that you mentioned in 816 that makes you think Vivian is town?
That was just the only line i quoted. Her whole post from that reaks of town. Also her posting has been consistantly town. Only thing I don't like about her posting is it seems overly trying to please which is either just personality, or she really wants every one to like her so she won't be seen as scum.....havn't decided which is more likely.

This looks like her setting up a hole for her to think Viv is scum tomorrow, should I be lynched.

Lord Gurgi · Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:00 am

nonny wrote:You asking admiral to specfically find someone else fo town to focus on was silly, and scummy. I'm pretty sure as soon as he did poeple would just add it to his list of scummy behavior by trying to pull a suspect out of no where.

Lord Gurgi · Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:56 am

Is there a problem with thinking that nonny is scum, but thinking that Viv might be slipping through the cracks while two townies rip each other to shreds? I'm being cautious, which I don't see a problem with.

Lord Gurgi · Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:04 am

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:*watching the LG-Nonny argument escalate with bag of popcorn* (seriously, I'm getting good reads off of this from both sides, keep it up)

Like this, forbiddan, this. I am afraid that she is just sitting in her chair laughing as the two of us insure that we are the two lynches.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:@LG: My opinion on the thing in the post is (probably) forthcoming. I just need more time. Why me and Cognito specifically?

Because you and her had not weighed in on it yet, especially you, always seem to wait until you can make a safe appraisal.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:@Nonny: I have a talent for appearing pro-town (it probably has more to do with my writing style than anything else). I don't think that means I take pleasing positions; I just think that I can make my positions pleasing.

...What? I can't think why you would say this ever. You and nonny both use the argument that you always appear 'too town' and therefore should not be lynched for it, an I don't like it.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-She had just given up

I doubt it.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-There was an outstanding question she'd rather not answer/a general fear of exposing her scumbuddy through defense

Then she could have just stopped posting.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-She was afraid her buddy would expose themselves (further) in a doomed (chainsaw?) defense.

Yes.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-Uber-WIFOM anticipation of posts like this

Nothing to gain from this really.

Lord Gurgi · Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:38 am

Thing is nonny, you're brining in meta either way.

Your math is flawed. We have 5 people. We lynch one. Then we have 4, the scum kill one. We have three. There is only one scum left. This gives them one kill and us two lynches. This is

not

lylo.

The strategy we should follow, crazy I know, is to lynch the two scummiest people.

If there are 4 scum, with a godfather remaining I will eat my hat, that is just too overpowered.

I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is,

Vote: nonny

, are you?

Lord Gurgi · Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:11 pm

Blah.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:I see your particalization and raise you an in-quote commentary.

Lord Gurgi wrote:
Vivian Darkblaam wrote:*watching the LG-Nonny argument escalate with bag of popcorn* (seriously, I'm getting good reads off of this from both sides, keep it up)
Like this, forbiddan, this. I am afraid that she is just sitting in her chair laughing as the two of us insure that we are the two lynches.

No, I'm just genuinely enthusiastic about seeing you two think. Completely off the top of my gut, I can't say I've seen all that much
orginal
reasoning from either of you, nor have I seen original stands. The kind of realtime argument you two are having fufills both dearths

Will you share your read please? Ask some questions, something?

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:@LG: My opinion on the thing in the post is (probably) forthcoming. I just need more time. Why me and Cognito specifically?
Because you and her had not weighed in on it yet, especially you, always seem to wait until you can make a safe appraisal.

I realize that, but does that mean Nonny and FL weighed in too? Where would any of us have had a chance to do so? Go back and read this post, connect me with both proven scum, and tell me my apprasials have always been safe.
Nonny doesn't need to weigh in on herself, and I believe FL did already. Didn't she? And yes, that is a safe appraisal, because all you did was ask a question and 'bite your tongue'.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:@Nonny: I have a talent for appearing pro-town (it probably has more to do with my writing style than anything else). I don't think that means I take pleasing positions; I just think that I can make my positions pleasing.
...What? I can't think why you would say this ever. You and nonny both use the argument that you always appear 'too town' and therefore should not be lynched for it, an I don't like it.

Did I say "
too
town"? Did anybody say "lynch"?

It's called a logical fallacy, the name of which is "too town" which you are using in defense of yourself. I look really townie and appease everyone because that's the way I
am
, not because I'm scum. The logic doesn't work either way.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-She had just given up
I doubt it.

Why? What reason did she have to play at that point? What hope could she have held out?

Because she's not a noob? She's the sort of player who will fight to the end unless she has good reason not to.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-There was an outstanding question she'd rather not answer/a general fear of exposing her scumbuddy through defense
Then she could have just stopped posting.

Fair enough

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-She was afraid her buddy would expose themselves (further) in a doomed (chainsaw?) defense.
Yes.

Elaborate please

Well had she given more time, she likely would have been hammered by her scum buddy, or would have been defended. By cutting the day off early that way she successfully stopped us from gaining as much information from the lynch as we could have.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:-Uber-WIFOM anticipation of posts like this
Nothing to gain from this really.

Always a good thing to keep in your mind though

No. It's not. WIFOM or anticipation of WIFOM is bad.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #841 (isolation #140) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:44 pm

Hi nabnab.

I am getting quite frustrated at this game. As I'm basically confronted with proving that two people who play town are scum. Eventually I may ask to be lynched, someone talk me out of it.

Maybe my problem is that I post too much, and as a result, am scrutinised more. The thing is that, given enough posts you can build a case against anyone, regardless of their nature.

Nab: Who do you think is scum? Please answer this question with a name.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #843 (isolation #141) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:55 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:I'm hoping to do that PBPA on Viv soon tonight, after I eat. However, recent events are making me lean Gurgi scum. Sorry but they way you are arguing is just...desperate to me. It feels scummy too...but I'd rather do my rereads first before I commit to that.

Yeah. Like I said, it's hard convincing everyone else that two people who always play townie are scum. Whereas I'm the claimed miller and I play aggressive gut, it seems stacked against me. If I am lynched, I just hope you'll review what I've said and think about it. Even if I'm not, I would appreciate the motion.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #850 (isolation #142) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:50 pm

When you bring up your own meta of often being accused of being 'too town' that's brining in meta.

I probably did misread a fair bit, if I insulted anyone I'm sorry. I got really frustrated for real life reasons, life is just a jerk sometimes and I wish I hadn't brought it into the game.

Vote Count:
nonny (1) - LG

Not voting: nonny, viv, incog, forbiddanlight

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #852 (isolation #143) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:23 pm

Here I thought referencing past games as indication of current play was meta. Am I wrong?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #854 (isolation #144) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:53 pm

It just seemed like that was implied.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #857 (isolation #145) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:12 pm

Exercise is good. And pain is rather common for

women

.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #859 (isolation #146) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:18 pm

That was an hour and a half before you posted that nonny. Exercise is indeed addicting, makes you feel good. And also it justifies eating a lot and cooking a lot.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #861 (isolation #147) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:33 pm

PostPosted: September 16 - 7:33 PM Post subject: 848
PostPosted: September 16 - 9:04 PM Post subject: 855

That's what she quoted and referenced.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #863 (isolation #148) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:39 pm

I don't think it's really an argument. I'm just trying to clear up what I see as a misunderstanding.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #866 (isolation #149) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:25 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:
Exercise is good. And pain is rather common for women.
Just as an aside in slight vulgarity, I never understood why someone that has a low pain tolerance or is overall weak is called a pussy, when generally we have a MUCH higher pain tolerance than men.

At risk of egotism, I would venture that I have a higher level of pain tolerance than you.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #868 (isolation #150) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:12 pm

nonny wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:
forbiddanlight wrote:
Exercise is good. And pain is rather common for women.
Just as an aside in slight vulgarity, I never understood why someone that has a low pain tolerance or is overall weak is called a pussy, when generally we have a MUCH higher pain tolerance than men.
At risk of egotism, I would venture that I have a higher level of pain tolerance than you.
deliver a child than we'll talk oh wait I havn't done that.....I know I have a higher pain threshold than most males because my tattoo artist told me lol.

Let's not make it a contest.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #869 (isolation #151) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:13 pm

...But I have been told I have an abnormally high level of pain tolerance by pain specialists at Stanford. So there.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #870 (isolation #152) » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:21 pm

We should get back on topic, we have almost a full page of completely non-game-related posts. This one included.

Also: Triple Post!

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #872 (isolation #153) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:38 am

I don't disagree with your points Incog, I just think that nonny is more scum than Nab is. Of course this is subject to change based on Nab's responses.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #874 (isolation #154) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:59 am

Well then. I can't seem to recall who forbiddanlight is suspicious of at the moment.

Lord Gurgi · Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:42 am

I don't think I can beat your pain tolerance, no.

I don't expect that I will be changing my vote any time soon.

Lord Gurgi · Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:48 am

I believe I have the most posts in the game, and a lot of them are rather content free, like this one!

At this point I am just so dang sure that Nonny is scum.

Lord Gurgi · Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:48 am

Well, I can't say I'm massively surprised. Nab's defense is not very good, and the fact that she has not clearly stated her suspicions is not encouraging.

How much of your suspicion of me is based on the request to be Night Killed?

Also, is anyone any good at analysing night kills?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #894 (isolation #158) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:01 pm

LG: Nonny and Nab.
Vivian: Nonny and LG
Forbiddanlight: LG and Nab.
Nonny: LG and Forbiddanlight (?)
Incognito: Nab and Nonny/LG (?)

Giving say two points to first priority and one to second that leaves us with:
Nab: 4
LG: 5(6?)
Nonny: 4(5?)
Forbiddanlight: 1

Once you guys clear up the question marks we can move on with the game and lynch someone, if it is me, and my list was totally spot on, I expect a scummy dang it >.<

Nab: You claim that people are using the 'Burden of competence' on you, why then do you apply this to my 'near prescient' scum list?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #896 (isolation #159) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:21 pm

It's a maaaaagic hat. DGB made it for me. Incog, do you have a second preference or is that decline to state?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #898 (isolation #160) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:49 pm

Lord Gurgi wrote:LG: Nonny and Nab.
Vivian: Nonny and LG
Forbiddanlight: LG and Nab.
Nonny: LG
Incognito: Nab

Giving say two points to first priority and one to second that leaves us with:
Nab: 4
LG: 5
Nonny: 4

I guess that makes me the lynch today.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #900 (isolation #161) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:38 pm

nonny wrote:also winslow should have that hat on in the comic lol

Obv. Email him and tell him so.

Vote Count:
nonny (1) - LG
viv - (1) - incog
LG - (1) forbiddanlight

Not voting: nonny, viv

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:44 am

Well I guess that's it for me then. I hope you guys pick right tomorrow.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:54 pm

Nope. My claim was true.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:55 pm

Incognito wrote:LG: I can clear up one question mark for you -- my vote will not be touching you at all. Also, did your avatar always have that hat?

Just something to look at.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:57 pm

....What.

I hate you so much right now.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #919 (isolation #166) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:00 pm

Well I guess I could go for a Vivlynch, I just prefer nonny lynch like I prefer orange juice to Battery Acid.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #922 (isolation #167) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:13 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:

It's called a gambit. I sent a message to e_k mod to let her know that I did that purposely so if she did log on before Gurgi responded, she wouldn't count it.
Interesting. Well, we can't be sure Gurgi is not scum. Anywhere from observing that to being
the kind of player who keeps you hanging to flip
. But it was an interesting attempt :S.

Like Farside and the self hammer.

But yeah, what do we do now? We have to lynch someone.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #926 (isolation #168) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:20 pm

I'm not in a rush, it just seems that we have gotten to a stalemate as far as lynching, unless Viv votes for me, which I would not be surprised by now that you have unvoted.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #928 (isolation #169) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:59 pm

nonny wrote:Unlike you, some of us like to research things and find out possible angles and you know evidence. We can't all just blindly point fingers and hope for the best based on gut. So it's not a stalemate, it's an information gathering time *nods*

There's no reason to be insulting.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #930 (isolation #170) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:05 pm

It just seemed that way, sorry.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #935 (isolation #171) » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:38 am

I am feeling increasingly good about a Nab lynch.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #938 (isolation #172) » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:48 pm

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:I hope you realized that your case is getting argued into tiny little bits of semantics. It would be nice to have an updated summary of my "bizzare and/or self-serving" behavior so I know where to go next.

This sounds like angry scum to me. I just don't see a townie talking like this under these circumstances. But then ThAdmiral did things that seem very similar, at least to me.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #960 (isolation #173) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:28 pm

nonny wrote:I now have no doubt in my mind.

vote Lord Guirgi
I believe he is now at L-1

Nonny, what happened to this? I think you're switching votes so that you don't get caught as the hammer, since the lynch on me failed.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #973 (isolation #174) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:06 pm

forbiddanlight wrote:When it's done I'll probably make my own final decision on which analysis seems more on the ball and if
either of
you end up scummier than
LG
you in my eyes.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #974 (isolation #175) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:07 pm

Err, the first you is Nab, the second you is Nonny. :S

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #976 (isolation #176) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:55 pm

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:Well, some parts of Nonny's case are blatant misrepresentations. A selection:

Nonny wrote:
post 6 wrote:Fair enough. I overreacted.
I don't see why this is needed, she didn't over react. All that was done was ask for an explaination of why admiral overrates meta but was still useing it. He replied, and we get this. Really seems..like an apology and out of place.
I don't see why this is scummy. I extrapolated too far on what I saw as a contradiction and apologized when I realized that I was wrong to be as forceful in posting as I was.

Nab is right on this, Nonny's was a stretch.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote: mirth accuses her of budding up over the spacecase claim. Viv insinuates that there may not be a picture to post baed on "independant research" uhm what?
Various image searches for the South Park charater mentioned. I found one really basic stock photo, but going from what I had seen of the townie and miller roles, the standard picture was an impact image macro, and there were none of those.

This line of questioning is irrelevant, it would have been nice had either of you said this back when it was said, but at this point it is meaningless.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 16 wrote: Falcone's case on Farside is fairly solid but also fairly old. There doesn't seem to be anything from the end of D1 (though there's almost certainly material to work with) Why the sojurn to DBE before turning back to Farside today?

On the other hand, if Farside is scum, Admiral's ridiculously blatant defense of her should be underlined in red ink.
She is setting admiral up it feels like, a blant defense does not spell scum in a game where the players are expierenced. In a newbie game I can see this logic, but not here. Also, what does the case being old have to do with it, if you say it's good than it's good.
I only said his defense need be noted, and your grounds for ignoring it are classic WIFOM. I've been over the "old" idea with Incognito. I thought the case was fairly good, I was scrutinizing
Falcone
over ressurecting the case. Only after looking back just now do I realize that he never voted DBE *slaps forehead*

Nonny's right, this does look bad, usually it pays to check if what you're attacking someone for actually happened.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 17 wrote:it's the only experience I've had with Admiral, but it will definitely flavor the way I treat the wagon that's cropped up. (Even if you dislike meta, it's still a fantastic game. It has several big names when they were just starting out, MOS playing the best game of his life, and a 45 page long D1 with no fewer than 4 L-1 wagons)
So she favors the wagon, without really saying much about it? Never actually votes.
F-L-A-V-O-R

Yeah... Reading is good.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 29 wrote:One thing that should have been bothering me more if I had been paying attention. Why in holy hell did farside hammer herself? There would be no point in keeping up the jester facade. I can think of 4 explanations.
-She had just given up
-
There was an outstanding question she'd rather not answer/a general fear of exposing her scumbuddy through defense
-She was afraid her buddy would expose themselves (further) in a doomed (chainsaw?) defense.

-Uber-WIFOM anticipation of posts like this
This post seems...subjective and perhaps purposfully distracting? Especailly the bolded part. Was any one activally defending her? I was saying the lynch was fast, incog wanted discussion before she most likly self hammered. If anything you set her up to self hammer with the l-1 vote. So are you trying to set some one up, or generally curious. Hard to tell.
I'm going to lump together all criticisms about my voting farside D3 here. When I voted farside, I did not consider her self-voting to be a possibility. I was thinking entirely along the lines of "Well, she wouldn't take her Jester claim so far as to self-hammer, so this is safe" (which I thought Incognito's waring was falsely based on). I'm aware of the scum's desire to end the day quickly, but I have
never
seen suicide as a tool of this, and the possibility just never clicked. I challenge those making a case of me, however, to make my behavior scummy and not-simply boneheaded. If I was giving farside a leg-up to suicide, why would I then call attention to the possibility of scum-buddy interaction in the above post (especially in such an awkward manner). Why wouldn't I just communicate a desire to bus, allow farside to self-vote, and apply the hammer at a time when it wouldn't look like euthinasia? I know most of this falls into WIFOM, but it takes a lot of WIFOM to explain away such apparently poor play.

Why is her voting a scum to L-1 being scruitinised? I just don't see this as a scum tell.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 31 wrote: In regards to that appraisal, I was also very much wrong on giving farside and mariyta passes, and that post in particular will probably come back to bite me if anybody ever gets around to the PBPA's they've been talking about. Just because I take my time to make my decisions and value the discussion of the town over my own gut doesn't mean I don't take stands.
So she is aware of the fact she didn't take stances on them. She never mentioned her gut on them, only once asked that farside be allowed to post before her getting lynched, that was day three. So is this covering her own butt....feels like it.
I was saying I
do
take stands. This was an example meant to blast the notion that I have played carefully.

You

do

play carefully, and only now are you beginning to take a true position on things.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 32 wrote: Additionally, Mariyta was the only one to make an appeal to newbishness with her string of "but I don't want to get yelled at posts". The post that you refrence as my vote was made far before I could have formed an opinion on whether or not Darla should be considered a newb
But mariyta isn't a newb, so why excuse her based on that? She has been playing for quite some time.
If it walks like a newb, posts like a newb, and smells like a newb...

It is a noob.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 32 wrote:I felt it was more important to shine some light on those I saw as lurkers than to wagon a person I wasn't confident about. Instead of following, I scumhunted
You didn't really scum hunt, you just placed a vote on a new person that no one was voting....this isn't scumhunting. you didn't even really follow it up later.
I attempted to, but was really posting only intermittently and with little time at that point in the game. I do remember asking one question (remember that there was not a whole lot of material to work with), but the time frame on her reponse and my rebuttal was too long to matter.

Nonny, I don't know where you get off criticising people about voting habits.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote: Viv goes back and forth. She defends her actions for not voting farside saying she was suspicous but not enough to add another vote. Then defends saying no she wasn't trying to push a lynch on space case. This seems....very off. Why would you in one swoop be seemingly apologizing for not voting farside, then in the other not wanting a lynch. Sure they are different poeple, and that is the exact point. You want us to think you were against farside when you never voiced an opinion as such, but don't want incog to think you were/are against her/her predacessor
You are taking two different situations that I approached in two different manners and trying to eke a contradiction out of them. All you get is a mess. (I did express suspicion of farside in my initial suspects posts, btw)

Stretch by Nonny, had you dropped the last sentence, I would have no problem with this statement.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 33 wrote: Nonny: I've already posted what I wanted to post about the way Nonny played D1. It was lacking scumhunting despite being involved
At this point I can safly say the same for your day one and two behavior. Just because you voted someone different than everyone else, doesn't mean you scumhunted.
Now, see, this is funny, because I've been called on being somehow overzealous on Falcone and Spacecase D1. I was one of the first on DBE (though I eventually saw enough to get off), and my vote on FL was an attempt at scumhunting even though I wasn't able to pursue it.

Nonny, once again, I don't think there's any reason for not voting for two days. Just bad.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post=36 wrote:nfortunate if a preventable mislynch were to be undertaken simply because you had concerns that were never voiced outside of the vaguest of terms and that I never had any chance to respond to.
That looks like an appeal to emotion to me. Ussually these are used as a "don't do it, you'll regret it!" In my expierence ussually by scum or flailing town.
I'm not saying you'll regret lynching me (you will, but I hadn't said that until 6 words ago). I'm was not out of defenses, merely things to defend against (your post as replenished the store). This post remains as a call for the town to hit me with its best shot, so that I have every available chance to iron out misconceptions (see "flavor" above) and state my case. If I played poorly enough to still be lynched after all is said and done, then so be it, but I refuse to give up on stopping the town from making a mistake.

This seems off to me, mostly because you're not refuting anything, in fact you only confirmed what she said.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote:
post 38 wrote: She does not: Defend farside directly (i.e. call her town, talk for her) or attempt any of the analyses she proposes. Her only direct address of farside is regarding Gurgi's Uncle Sam picture.
If these are points against me, they are against you as well. Though you didn't promise a re-read, you simply weren't there. I knew the current discussion, looked back on admiral didn't see where him being scummed suddenly got pulled from. Then got caught up in IRL.

I already admitted that I was busy, and didn't pay the attention needed. You seem to be skewing your case against me to look more substaintal than it is. The "mechanics" of cases I "ripped apart" were LG's and anybody looking at them would do the same. The only other case I commented on was Falcone's and only to say it made sense. I didn't cathc much of the admiral cases because I only had time to skim and fully read the longer of posts.
I am not condeming you for not being there (in fact, this period was one of the more active of yours in the first three days), I was simply commenting on the things your play lacked that might indicate you were scum.

I accept your point about Gurgi's case being crap, but continue to note your enthusiasim in attacking that particular piece of crap.

Essentially, my issue with your defense of farside is demonstrated by a later part of your post in which you are able to (in decent conscience) ask "Where did I defend [farside]?", and that the preservation of this ability appeared to be intentional.

No comment needed here.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Nonny wrote: I feel more than confidant to do this now
vote vivan
Reading through her play is just off, she never comments on players themself only the actions...She put farside at l-1 basically ignoring incogs suggestion. Her appeals to emotions and promises that had she been around it would be different are majorly scummy.
What are players if not their actions? But even with that being said, it's blatantly false to claim that I did this.

Farside's L-1 has already been covered.
What appeals to emotion would these be?
Why is it scummy to claim that my participation in most of D2 would have altered its course? Given that my last post of D2 was all about ThAdmiral, my opinions on him, and his wagon, do you not think my participation could have changed the course of his wagon?

This appears to be an extremely slapdash conclusion, did you really consider what you were doing when you voted me? Because I've put a lot of consideration into voting you. I've wanted to be absolutely sure I'm doing the right thing; signing my name to the wrong wagon now would almost ensure that I am lynched tomorrow, causing the town to lose. I'm still not sure if I want to vote you. There are still many existing and potential accusations to answer and to make (I'm getting to D3, Incognito. I promise!)

She's voted for two different people at this stage in the game, saying that she's very sure each time.

I still like a Nonny lynch, and I won't settle for a Viv lynch at this point in time.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #978 (isolation #177) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:58 pm

Since it's getting to 24 hours since the last post, bump?

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #983 (isolation #178) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:21 am

You may be shocked to be informed Nab, but not voting in this situation is not town behaviour. There went all my townie vibes from you.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #989 (isolation #179) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:46 am

To be fair, I was doing everything I could to stop Crazy from being lynched, as he was the worst godfather ever.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #994 (isolation #180) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:20 pm

Should I hammer? It seems like everyone has Viv as an alternative or priority.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #996 (isolation #181) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:32 pm

I don't believe that we are in fact, waiting for anything. MY problem is, that if we get to tomorrow, I am afraid that Nonny and Forbiddan will lynch me quickly. This assumes that you die in the night, Incognito.

Lord Gurgi · Post Post #999 (isolation #182) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:16 pm

I'm holding.

Lord Gurgi · Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:29 pm

Oh how nice a slip. Not that I put much stock in slips, but if you guys are willing to lynch Nonny for it, I'm game.

Lord Gurgi · Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:35 pm

I'm just going to hammer now, we'll have plenty of Twilight time anyway.

Unvote; Vote: Vivian Darkblaam (Nab)

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Lord Gurgi · Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:40 pm

That's basically my thoughts. I would be surprised if the scum even kill.

Lord Gurgi · Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:42 pm

Lord Gurgi wrote:That's basically my thoughts. I would be surprised if the scum even kill.

This refers to Incog, obviously.

Lord Gurgi · Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:09 pm

You're dead Nab.

Lord Gurgi · Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:27 am

So... Were you scum Nab?

Lord Gurgi · Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:45 am

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:You're dead Nab.
What did you think I meant by "moot point"?

And no, I wasn't scum.

:/

Lord Gurgi · Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:05 pm

Hii Elvis.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:58 pm

Well my choice is clear, call me out for premature voting, but this is the best move, to clear fobiddan completely, or lose.

Vote: Nonny

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Reason that the scum killed Incognito: Incognito had openly said she would not vote for me, in order to reach a lynch, all three people need to vote for a single person. Therefore, in that situation, I would be unlynchable. I would not, and neither would Incognito, vote for forbiddanlight, therefore the only choice for scum (nonny) is to kill Incognito, and rely on forbiddanlight's original suspicion of me to win.

Please consider that forbiddanlight, now that you have either won or are confirmed.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:36 pm

Ah well, I'll take the blame for the town losing, but forbiddanlight deserves a lot of credit for the scum winning. I don't regret ThAdmiral lynch at all. I always feared that Nonny and I were two townies ripping eachother to shreds, but I don't think voting earlier or later or not at all would have changed anything. I seriously doubt that either nonny or I would change our opinions, and I have to wonder how long I would have lasted.

Lord Gurgi · Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:40 pm

The Female Conspiracy is WIFOM!