Hate doing these player only post by post analysis, but didn't have time to read whole game.
Post numbers are based off only viewing viv's posts.
First few posts are a little odd. What strikes me most is her mention of a compromised lynch that DBE insinuated. She voted based on it. She didn't mention anything with LG just recently tried a compromised lynch with his list of who suspects whom.
post 4 wrote:
I think it is pretty obvious that you're backpedaling (one word, one "d"), but I usually think backpaddling hard enough to rock the boat is not something scum often do. Farsidescum would have backed entirely off of DBE when challenged by Falcone. Arguing the point to a nub is something people do when they've actually made up their minds about something, not when they're pretending to have.
This seems almost like a pat on the back post since we now know farside is scum.
post 6 wrote:Fair enough. I overreacted.
I don't see why this is needed, she didn't over react. All that was done was ask for an explaination of why admiral overrates meta but was still useing it. He replied, and we get this. Really seems..like an apology and out of place.
post 6 wrote:
All of Falcone's recently posted suspicions hinge around the target not participating to the fullest. Why no Mariyta?
Points out mariytascum lurking.
Both known scum end up in her scum list. Don't read it as spacing from them. Though she ends up voting faerielord for his lack of content. When she had two suspects based on thier content. THis seems like an arbritrary way to vote. What made him the one to vote for? Nothing in the posts says she sees him as more scummy...odd
post 9 wrote:I think there already is pressure on some of the others. I felt like FL was a new discovery that required action so as to have the most info possible going into deadline.
does one vote really help with pressure? Why not on the person you felt needed to be replaced? I don't have the context to know who was suspicious of whom in this analysis style, but it seems like a weird way to put it.
mirth accuses her of budding up over the spacecase claim. Viv insinuates that there may not be a picture to post baed on "independant research" uhm what?
post 16 wrote: Falcone's case on Farside is fairly solid but also fairly old. There doesn't seem to be anything from the end of D1 (though there's almost certainly material to work with) Why the sojurn to DBE before turning back to Farside today?
On the other hand, if Farside is scum, Admiral's ridiculously blatant defense of her should be underlined in red ink.
She is setting admiral up it feels like, a blant defense does not spell scum in a game where the players are expierenced. In a newbie game I can see this logic, but not here. Also, what does the case being old have to do with it, if you say it's good than it's good.
post 17 wrote:it's the only experience I've had with Admiral, but it will definitely flavor the way I treat the wagon that's cropped up. (Even if you dislike meta, it's still a fantastic game. It has several big names when they were just starting out, MOS playing the best game of his life, and a 45 page long D1 with no fewer than 4 L-1 wagons)
So she favors the wagon, without really saying much about it? Never actually votes.
[quote-"post 19"]farside getting a chance to post before being lynched. Suspects should always be given every opportunity to talk. If they're town/scum, the truths/lies they tell might help later. More specifically, what caused LG to drop his vote between 596 and 604?
incog wrote:Vivian Darkblaam: NabNab kept on mentioning that "clock is ticking" stuff with respect to Mariyta throughout Day 1. He-she questioned Falcone about an opinions post that failed to include Mariyta also. I never saw any indication from this Russian cross-dresser of an FoS or vote in her direction though. Then again, he-she never did much FoS-ing or voting throughout Day 1 or Day 2. He-she directly opposed condorcet so he-she never provided a list to summarize his-her feelings. He-she also had negative comments about my predecessor's claim (mentioning it sounds cult-ish) but since I've replaced, he-she hasn't really given me much flak or questioned me further about it. Hmm. His-her early FoS of Falcone also seemed really off (an FoS for having a vollkan-like quality?).
Is this a case? Because only 3/7 of it have to do with the seemingly objective heading its posted under(This account is 100% woman by the way; no need to go all PC "they" alternative on me)
I'm gonna have to think about the relationship between the farside and admiral wagons yesterday. They way they competed screams deflection from farside, especially Incognito's kitchen sink-included case, but one of the main architechts of Admiral's lynch is now a confirmed townie and the other voted farside right out of the gate today, so I don't know that to think. [/quote] She never comments on her thoughts on farside. Only the wagon, and wanting her to post. Sort of says she is inevitably the lynch, a stance I can see a partner taking.
post 21 wrote: tend to extend the benefit of the doubt to poor or infrequent players (try reading the section midway through 458 where I coin the term "Villiage Idiot") more than most and sometimes more than I should. My main goal in saying that the "clock is ticking" to Mari was to get her to say something of significance. I didn't want to should "lurker!" because that probably would not have promoted participation. When Mari did produce the post you disected, I saw that she was pretty much lost at sea when it came to analysis. Lots of non-sequiters and vague generalizations. Now we can see that this was just her attempt at being scummy, but at the time it kind of just made me sigh.
her feelings on maryita. How is "the clock is ticking" more conduesive to her posting and less threatening than "lurker!"?
post 29 wrote:One thing that should have been bothering me more if I had been paying attention. Why in holy hell did farside hammer herself? There would be no point in keeping up the jester facade. I can think of 4 explanations.
-She had just given up
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There was an outstanding question she'd rather not answer/a general fear of exposing her scumbuddy through defense
-She was afraid her buddy would expose themselves (further) in a doomed (chainsaw?) defense.
-Uber-WIFOM anticipation of posts like this
This post seems...subjective and perhaps purposfully distracting? Especailly the bolded part. Was any one activally defending her? I was saying the lynch was fast, incog wanted discussion before she most likly self hammered. If anything you set her up to self hammer with the l-1 vote. So are you trying to set some one up, or generally curious. Hard to tell.
post 31 wrote:
In regards to that appraisal, I was also very much wrong on giving farside and mariyta passes, and that post in particular will probably come back to bite me if anybody ever gets around to the PBPA's they've been talking about. Just because I take my time to make my decisions and value the discussion of the town over my own gut doesn't mean I don't take stands.
So she is aware of the fact she didn't take stances on them. She never mentioned her gut on them, only once asked that farside be allowed to post before her getting lynched, that was day three. So is this covering her own butt....feels like it.
post 31 wrote: I could totally see why farside would give up on a hopeless situation like the one she was in.
so she is no longer trying to help her partner, she has just given up? Then why point out the other "possiblities" earlier?
post 32 wrote: Additionally, Mariyta was the only one to make an appeal to newbishness with her string of "but I don't want to get yelled at posts". The post that you refrence as my vote was made far before I could have formed an opinion on whether or not Darla should be considered a newb
But mariyta isn't a newb, so why excuse her based on that? She has been playing for quite some time.
post 32 wrote:I felt it was more important to shine some light on those I saw as lurkers than to wagon a person I wasn't confident about. Instead of following, I scumhunted
You didn't really scum hunt, you just placed a vote on a new person that no one was voting....this isn't scumhunting. you didn't even really follow it up later.
Viv goes back and forth. She defends her actions for not voting farside saying she was suspicous but not enough to add another vote. Then defends saying no she wasn't trying to push a lynch on space case. This seems....very off. Why would you in one swoop be seemingly apologizing for not voting farside, then in the other not wanting a lynch. Sure they are different poeple, and that is the exact point. You want us to think you were against farside when you never voiced an opinion as such, but don't want incog to think you were/are against her/her predacessor.
post 32 wrote:I was actually very angry that D2 ended when it did. I was just starting to get into a discourse on ThAdmiral when the hammer fell. Things defintiely would have been different if I hadn't been V/LA when that whole thing sprang up
pointless thing to say, since she basically said she was leaning toward an admiral lynch, atleast half way stated that. So far she is good talking about actions but doesn't nail down any opinions on the actual players. I very keen way for scum to play.
post 32 wrote:I was operating under the premise that farside was pulling a desprate gambit with her jester claim (she was), and that while she would vote for herself while alive as an attempt to prove the claim, she wouldn't have any reason to seal the deal. I was actually confused then (and now) by your, eventually correct, prediction that farside would self-hammer. That said, it probably was rash to put the L-1 down at that time, but the case at that point seemed overwhelming.
Additional discussion wasn't going to reveal any more about whether or not farside was scum
(it was crystal clear that she was), but I am sorry for curtailing any more disscusion that might have been fruitful.
You, said yourself, that we shouldn't lynch farside till she spoke andthat discussion was good. It was obvious farside may self hammer based on the (fake) claim, and the fact that she kept throwing votes on and off herself. If you don't believe anything useful would come then why apologize for the vote on scum? The bolded I see as you gave up on her chance to defend herself, voted and then waited for a hammer.
post 33 wrote:
Nonny: I've already posted what I wanted to post about the way Nonny played D1. It was lacking scumhunting despite being involved
At this point I can safly say the same for your day one and two behavior. Just because you voted someone different than everyone else, doesn't mean you scumhunted.
Ugh....FL is confusing one it's either faerielord or forbiddenlight. Comes up a lot...oh well. /sidenote
post=36 wrote:nfortunate if a preventable mislynch were to be undertaken simply because you had concerns that were never voiced outside of the vaguest of terms and that I never had any chance to respond to.
That looks like an appeal to emotion to me. Ussually these are used as a "don't do it, you'll regret it!" In my expierence ussually by scum or flailing town.
post 38 wrote:n these posts: She bemoans the speed with which the wagon has grown (39,43,44), asks for a case (37,38), fights intermittently with the cases she eventually receives(40,41,42), and basically gives up (45,46).
No i argued with LG because his case made no sense, and agreed that falcone's case made sense.
post 38 wrote:
She does not: Defend farside directly (i.e. call her town, talk for her) or attempt any of the analyses she proposes. Her only direct address of farside is regarding Gurgi's Uncle Sam picture.
If these are points against me, they are against you as well. Though you didn't promise a re-read, you simply weren't there. I knew the current discussion, looked back on admiral didn't see where him being scummed suddenly got pulled from. Then got caught up in IRL.
I already admitted that I was busy, and didn't pay the attention needed. You seem to be skewing your case against me to look more substaintal than it is. The "mechanics" of cases I "ripped apart" were LG's and anybody looking at them would do the same. The only other case I commented on was Falcone's and only to say it made sense. I didn't cathc much of the admiral cases because I only had time to skim and fully read the longer of posts.
post 38 wrote:Her play goes nowhere and makes no effort to get the town anywhere.
Once again I could easily apply this to you.
post 38 wrote:When a town player undertakes a defense of another player that lasts unbroken for 10 posts, it is usually not undertaken lightly as it will be rightly seen to be a major connection to a player who is likely to be lynched and might just be scum for all they know. That Nonny's defense of farside is so timid and so uninsipired, that she at best gives lip service to the cases against farside, that even when she claims to agree with them makes no move of actual suspicion towards farside suggests the behavior of a scum watching a buddy sink and doing everything they can without going down with them.
First part is WIFOM, last part is silly. I had no reason to "watch a buddy sink" to "(avoid)going down with them" If this is your case it is weak at best. If I was watching then why would I bring up the speed of the lynch? Where did I defend her? I was against the speed of the lynch, and LG's case on her made no sense. Whereas falcone's case did. I wasn't going to vote simply because I agreed with one case. I wanted to look for myself to see if she was scummy, since I didn't have the time it never occured. I was not going to leave a vote on someone when I wasn't fully convinced on the case without having my own.
incog wrote: what do you make of nonny's continued indirect defense of farside22 during Day 3?
That your opinion, if so where? I may have been against the speed(again) but mostly because I was busy and being left behind. Please show how I'm indirectly defending her?
Also, you both have mentioned that I indirectly defend farside. But I was against the speed of the admiral lynch too, and had said as much. So you only pointing out the farside part seems caltulating.
I feel more than confidant to do this now
vote vivan
Reading through her play is just off, she never comments on players themself only the actions...She put farside at l-1 basically ignoring incogs suggestion. Her appeals to emotions and promises that had she been around it would be different are majorly scummy.
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