So first she states it’s “theoretically best” for a miller to claim at the start of Day 1, then later she states she “probably” wouldn’t do it if she were a miller herself. That's contradictory.Mirth wrote:I would probably wait until twilight day 1, claim doctor or something to get myself NKed or vigged. Depends on the other people in the game really. If they know my "no claims" playstyle, I might do a first thing day 1 claim.
Except I never once stated my own opinion on Gurgi's claim, and, honestly, before he announced that he was serious, it looked like a joke to me. Just because something is the supposed theoretically best option doesn't mean *I* agree with it. Never said I would. What I would do depends on who I'm in the game with as I said.Falcone wrote:Reasons for my vote for Mirth:
1. She voted the mod in her first post. I realize it was a joke vote, but not making an arbitrary vote to start the game with can be interpreted as not wanting to make any connection to any other player. This is obviously a very weak reason.
2. She asked Lord Gurgi if his claim was serious or not, then before he responded, stated that it's “theoretically best” to claim at the beginning of the game as a miller, which makes me feel as though she knew the claim was serious beforehand and that she tried to lend credence to the claim. Then, after Lord Gurgi confirmed his claim, she asked for a counterclaim, which seems a very strange thing to do after a miller claim, and again has the implicit connotation of “Well, if there’s no counterclaim, I’ll believe the claim”. Since I don’t see why there can’t be either zero or two or more millers in a game (see for example this thread: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8831), the absence of a counterclaim doesn’t tell us anything about the value of Lord Gurgi’s claim.
3. The “cult recruited” remark, which was very clearly not what farside22 was saying. This was later established to be a mere spelling mistake, which I can accept as explanation.
Furthermore, since I made my vote for her, Mirth seems to have changed her stance on the miller claim:So first she states it’s “theoretically best” for a miller to claim at the start of Day 1, then later she states she “probably” wouldn’t do it if she were a miller herself. That's contradictory.Mirth wrote:I would probably wait until twilight day 1, claim doctor or something to get myself NKed or vigged. Depends on the other people in the game really. If they know my "no claims" playstyle, I might do a first thing day 1 claim.
Happy with my vote for the moment.
Reasons for my IGMEOY’s:
1. Lord Gurgi: His miller claim and the inevitable WIFOM that it brings with it, makes him more likely than average to be scum in my opinion. If you’re a miller and you know it, best play is, in my opinion, to try avoiding an investigation by being as pro-town as possible. On the other hand, I understand why a miller would want to claim immediately and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable play, just a less than optimal one. In one acronym: IGMEOY.
2. FaerieLord: For believing Lord Gurgi’s claim, yet failing to unvote him. It’s certainly possible he forgot that he random-voted Lord Gurgi, but it’s still worth mentioning.
So you are saying lets not talk about who is scummy and lynch LG because of the miller claim?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Question:
With all the WIFOM on LG, It would seem somewhat logical that unless someone comes round even more scummy, that he would be the safest lynch for D1.
If he is lying, we hit scum, if not, he is only a miller, not a PR.
thoughts?
Boy does somebody have a stick up her vagina. The rigid layout of the post matches the utter lack of a sense of humor, so I guess it's consistent, but it feels forced for whatever reason.Falcone wrote:Reasons for my vote for Mirth:
1. She voted the mod in her first post. I realize it was a joke vote, but not making an arbitrary vote to start the game with can be interpreted as not wanting to make any connection to any other player. This is obviously a very weak reason.
2. She asked Lord Gurgi if his claim was serious or not, then before he responded, stated that it's “theoretically best” to claim at the beginning of the game as a miller, which makes me feel as though she knew the claim was serious beforehand and that she tried to lend credence to the claim. Then, after Lord Gurgi confirmed his claim, she asked for a counterclaim, which seems a very strange thing to do after a miller claim, and again has the implicit connotation of “Well, if there’s no counterclaim, I’ll believe the claim”. Since I don’t see why there can’t be either zero or two or more millers in a game (see for example this thread: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8831), the absence of a counterclaim doesn’t tell us anything about the value of Lord Gurgi’s claim.
3. The “cult recruited” remark, which was very clearly not what farside22 was saying. This was later established to be a mere spelling mistake, which I can accept as explanation.
Furthermore, since I made my vote for her, Mirth seems to have changed her stance on the miller claim:So first she states it’s “theoretically best” for a miller to claim at the start of Day 1, then later she states she “probably” wouldn’t do it if she were a miller herself. That's contradictory.Mirth wrote:I would probably wait until twilight day 1, claim doctor or something to get myself NKed or vigged. Depends on the other people in the game really. If they know my "no claims" playstyle, I might do a first thing day 1 claim.
Happy with my vote for the moment.
Reasons for my IGMEOY’s:
1. Lord Gurgi: His miller claim and the inevitable WIFOM that it brings with it, makes him more likely than average to be scum in my opinion. If you’re a miller and you know it, best play is, in my opinion, to try avoiding an investigation by being as pro-town as possible. On the other hand, I understand why a miller would want to claim immediately and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable play, just a less than optimal one. In one acronym: IGMEOY.
2. FaerieLord: For believing Lord Gurgi’s claim, yet failing to unvote him. It’s certainly possible he forgot that he random-voted Lord Gurgi, but it’s still worth mentioning.
I assume you refer to your post 58:Mirth wrote:Now could you and whoever else avoided my question please answer it?
I answered this in my previous post:Mirth, in post 58, wrote:Darla, if you were a miller, what would you do?
Actually, this question goes out to everybody.
Falcone wrote:If you’re a miller and you know it, best play is, in my opinion, to try avoiding an investigation by being as pro-town as possible. On the other hand, I understand why a miller would want to claim immediately and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable play, just a less than optimal one.
What makes you think I'm certain you're scum?Mirth wrote:Also, you're certain I'm scum after only a couple of posts, most of which were nonsense and some of which happened *after* your vote?
Wow, that was pretty awfulDBE wrote:With all the WIFOM on LG, It would seem somewhat logical that unless someone comes round even more scummy, that he would be the safest lynch for D1.
Have you been in games like this? In every game I've been in, I've always seen someone scummy in day one.DBE wrote:All I am saying is that after we've exhausted d1, if no one is REALLY scummy, that LG would be the best lynch, because its win win either way.
I am in no way confirmed, please don't.ThAdmiral wrote:The flavour makes sense so I'm going to treat gurgi as a confirmed town from here on in.
Me! I feel horribly left out.Lord Gurgi wrote: Just to point something out, Falcone, who in this game haven't you FOS'd, IGMEOY'd, or Voted?
farside22Lord Gurgi wrote:Just to point something out, Falcone, who in this game haven't you FOS'd, IGMEOY'd, or Voted?
I don't. Note the question mark. No responses to the rest of my comments?Falcone wrote:What makes you think I'm certain you're scum?Mirth wrote:Also, you're certain I'm scum after only a couple of posts, most of which were nonsense and some of which happened *after* your vote?
Yeah, that's what I meant Falcone, now that I know, it's not a big deal, just not used to so many in such a short space of time.Falcone wrote:EBWOP:FoS: xyzzyfor #77 andFoS: farside22for #81.
For the record, my threshold for giving FoS and IGMEOY's is very low. They are a way to ask people for clarification for scummy posts or suspicious behaviour and are not necessarily meant to be an indication for whether or not I want to lynch that player.
I already did. Even though I now know what the miller role is, I don't have enough experience to comment. Personally, you don't feel scummy to me.Lord Gurgi wrote:Yeah, that's what I meant Falcone, now that I know, it's not a big deal, just not used to so many in such a short space of time.Falcone wrote:EBWOP:FoS: xyzzyfor #77 andFoS: farside22for #81.
For the record, my threshold for giving FoS and IGMEOY's is very low. They are a way to ask people for clarification for scummy posts or suspicious behaviour and are not necessarily meant to be an indication for whether or not I want to lynch that player.
@Mariyta and Spacecase, answer Mirth's question. Stop avoiding it.
Why does my post warrant a fos? DBE comment in the above post is scummy. It's add nothing to the conversation. She didn't point to anyone scummy if that was her intention. She is stating if no one looks scummy we should lynch LG. The post she made is useless noise, hence my vote.Falcone wrote:EBWOP:FoS: xyzzyfor #77 andFoS: farside22for #81.
For the record, my threshold for giving FoS and IGMEOY's is very low. They are a way to ask people for clarification for scummy posts or suspicious behaviour and are not necessarily meant to be an indication for whether or not I want to lynch that player.