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I think she'd call out UN's playstyle regardless of her alignment. Widespread frustration with a player is not limited to alignment.-
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This is an excellent wagon.
Dram, you should tell me to sheep Quil. Then I can continue voting Tierce.-
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Guys, can we not let this game degenerate into nitpicky one-on-one poopoo slapfights already, and please place more emphasis on lynching Tierce?
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I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.-
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In post 112, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 110, Glork wrote:I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.
Are you a neighbor with her and she didn't say anything in your QT?
Hahahahahah. No. The entirety of my reason for voting Tierce comes from words she has posted in this game thread.-
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In post 112, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 110, Glork wrote:I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.
Are you a neighbor with her and she didn't say anything in your QT?
Tierce, why did you choose to omit the last sentence of Post 110 while commenting on the first sentence of said post?-
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In post 112, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 110, Glork wrote:I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.
Are you a neighbor with her and she didn't say anything in your QT?
For what it's worth, ML I'm protown, and need to find a certain role.
I'm fairly certain that I don't want to kill/remove them, though. I don't know if the scums want to kill/remove them or not.-
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Okay, something is seriously wrong with the forums. Every time I try to quote a post in reply, it quotes DDD's post. Going to clear cache, etc., and see if that fixes the problem.-
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In post 112, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 110, Glork wrote:I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.
Are you a neighbor with her and she didn't say anything in your QT?
Clarifying a few things for people.
ML: DDD noticed my early, non-random vote for Tierce and was referencing his own non-random vote for mikehart in the recently completed The League Mafia, where he caught his neighbor as scum before the game officially started. He was making a joke-reference to that. Nothing more.
Dram: Nope, not fucking retarded. The scum have no idea who I am, who I'm looking for, or if either of us are people they are after. I'm not really worried about giving away too much information here, and I am interested in stopping "this player seems to be looking for a specific role" as a scumtell, because it's likely to lead down all sorts of terrible paths.
Spyre: I don't think so?
I'm not really interested in voting Tammy right now. I'd much rather puruse this Tierce thing. There are holes in her behavior, and I want to explore them before that window closes. So yeah, I'm going to reneg on my commitment to sheep whomever you tell me to sheep. Sorry.
PEDIT: OH GOD, PEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK FOR OTHER PEOPLE. CLEARLY THIS IS GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION THAT THE SCUMS COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE INFERRED ON THEIR OWN ALREADY BASED ON THE WIN CONDITION PROVIDED BY THE MODERATOR. Calm down, Dram.-
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In post 112, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 110, Glork wrote:I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.
What I will say is that there is a disturbingly high density of words that might not mean anything, and a disturbingly low density of trying-to-find-scum in her eight posts to date.
Are you a neighbor with her and she didn't say anything in your QT?
Based on the win condition listed by the mod, I'd say this is more of a game mechanic than a flavor issue which would give away character information. I understand your paranoia, but I think it is unfounded.Dram wrote:Fire Emblem is flavorful. Claiming you're "looking for someone" severely limits who you can be when we have a general idea who is scum and who is town from a flavor standpoint.
We being those with flavour knowledge.-
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Actually, this sounds about right.Tierce wrote:I called you out on a bad reads list, explained why I thought it was scummy, and you... think I'm scum as a result?
I would love for you to explain why you took an RVS list commenting on a bunch of RVS votes and decided it came from scum trying to overjustify themselves.-
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EVERYBODY FUCKING STOP RIGHT NOW AND READ THIS POST.
The first win condition is the general protown win condition:
*As a member of the majority, you win when the Daein Resistance has been subdued and one person with this Win Condition still lives.
The scond win condition is the scum (Daein Resistance) win condition.
*Per Micaiah's plan, you win when one member of your faction is alive and the following roles have been removed from the game.
Note that they do not have to gain a majority of the town's population to win (although if they gain a majority, they will win because killing their targets will be inevitable).
They ONLY need to find and eliminate a certan subset of players among the town.
Because of this, ML thought that DDD was fishing in a manner that made him likely to have the scum win condition.
I (and several others) have pointed out that protown players are also seeking specific roles.
It is reasonable to assume that, barring the existence of a second scumgroup or a traitor, Daerin people are looking for protown roles to eliminate them.
We have no idea whether the protown seekers' targets are protown, scum, or otherwise.
We also have no idea whether the protown seekers' targets are also Daerin Resistance targets.
Are there any questions.-
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In post 155, Tierce wrote:In post 152, Glork wrote:
Actually, this sounds about right.Tierce wrote:I called you out on a bad reads list, explained why I thought it was scummy, and you... think I'm scum as a result?
I would love for you to explain why you took an RVS list commenting on a bunch of RVS votes and decided it came from scum trying to overjustify themselves.
I've done so:
In post 54, Tierce wrote:In post 25, Quilford wrote:What's bullshit about it, Tierce?
Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players asnullout of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.
I'm willing to be that I can find an example where a player in RVS called someone else null and you didn't bat an eyelash. Why is it a big deal here, and what made you think that Quil's list was in any way different from any other RVS post made, aside from the fact it commented on everyone who had posted?
As of Post 23, what actually made Quilscum, and not someone who was just being a goof on Page 1?-
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In post 162, dramonic wrote:@Glork: I have one question! What was that post supposed to accomplish? You didn't point out anything that wasn't already obvious... =/
If you'd read Tierce's and Tammy's posts, it's apparent that there's some confusion as to who is trying to accomplish what in this game. I was clarifying for their (and possibly others') sake.
HOW can they PoE me? They know that a part of my role involves looking for someone. They also know that a part of at least two other players' roles involve looking for someone. There are SO many characters in the FE universe (even if we just narrow it down to Path of Radiance / Radiant Dawn) that PoEing me is going to be next to impossible before midgame/lategame, at which point "Glork is looking for someone" would probably have been made public anyway. It is far more likely that scum will identify town roles via information abillies than by a couple of people claiming to be part of a mechanic that was going to be made obvious by like D2 at the latest.-
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Not answering. A part of my role involves another character whose identity I do not know. Assuming that charater is not similar to R2-D2 in nature, I don't see an immediate need to elaborate otherwise.-
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Okay, sheeping Oman time.
Vote: Tammy
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In post 196, UberNinja wrote:Tierce, are you scum? Don't lie to me, please.
If you do, I will make it my personal life's work to join every game you're in, and lynch the shit out of you every single time.
Tierce has a ~1.5% chance of being scum.-
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In post 197, Oman wrote:In post 175, Alchemist wrote:@Spyre just4u babe
Just thought it might be neat to visualize it. Not 100% accurate of course and I probably missed alot, but eh.
Spoiler:
Annoyed that I'm not in "everybody loves tierce".
Also, why are people sheeping me? Do they know I haven't played in years? I AM NOT A BAROMETER ANY MORE, especially not for ex Paragons.
I asked dramonic who I should sheep and he said Oman. *shrug*-
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Tierce, I've been around the block enough times. Being split in what you SAY about a person's alignment and what you DO regarding that person is a massive scum tell. See: SocioPath in Insane Asylum Mafia (I think. I'll have to double check that when I get home).-
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In post 239, MaguaofIllusion wrote:Glork– why would you bother to care who Dramonic wants you sheep?
Because dramonic is the name I arbitrarily ("randomly" to most) picked out before I started reading the thread.-
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Also,
Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be onmethan Tierce at this point.-
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In post 260, MaguaofIllusion wrote:In post 251, Glork wrote:Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be on me than Tierce at this point.
Well I read all 10 pages over an hour period while taking notes. With that in mind ... can you link me to the post where Tierce shows ignorance of the Wincon? I have little time to dredge her ISO at the current time. Thanks!
Post 154 is some genuine blissful ignorance.
In post 255, Hinduragi wrote:In post 251, Glork wrote:Also,
Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be onmethan Tierce at this point.
At what point before you unvoted did you figure this out? The uptake was pretty late.
There was a lot of ninjaposting, but only 16 minutes elapsed between Tierce's Post 154 and my unvote in Post 170. 16 posts chock full of content in 16 minutes? Yeah, I'm not sure how you can say the uptake was late there. As soon as I had a chance to process it, I decided that Tierce wasn't scum.
PEdit: I like Zdenek's Hinduvote here.-
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In post 252, singersigner wrote:In post 250, Glork wrote:In post 239, MaguaofIllusion wrote:Glork– why would you bother to care who Dramonic wants you sheep?
Because dramonic is the name I arbitrarily ("randomly" to most) picked out before I started reading the thread.
Do you usually do that? And then on top of that, do you usually listen to the aforementioned person?
If I'm going to sheep in RVS, usually I just pick someone and ask them who I should vote for. This time, I picked someone and asked them who I should sheep. Functionally, it's basically the same thing.
If somebody wants to explain why we're spending this much time on Glork's RVS behavior, I'm all ears. I feel like a lot of people could be putting their time to much better use, and that's not just becauseI'mthe one being questioned here.-
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In post 292, Alchemist wrote:Is scum Glork even lynchable?
Scum Glork is probably about as lynchable as town Glork is. But hey, fun fact: ScumGlork has been crosskilled more than he's been lynched.
In post 317, Tammy wrote:GlorkWhat do you like about Zdenek's vote on Hinduragi? Do you always tend to sheep in RVS? Other than the sheeping in RVS, you seem similar to another game of yours so you're town right now.
It seems decently well thought-out, appropriate, and might lead somewhere. A good vote.
I don't always sheep in RVS. I never begin a game with any particular notion of what I'm going to do. Maybe it depends on my mood when the game starts or when I first get a chance to post? I really don't know. I've never had any rhyme or reason to what I do during RVS. Sometimes I sheep. Sometimes I just "randomly" vote someone. Sometimes I try to work my way out of RVS quickly. Occasionally I lurk. There's really no thought process behind what goes into my first post (unless I'm replacing into an ongoing game, obviously).
This Tammywagon really bores me. It seems like it's made up almost entirely of people who have nothing better to do with their votes, and are content to just park it there, sheep, or plop down a vote for general scumminess without any real reasoning. I'm not sure there's more than maybe 1 scum on Tammy right now, but I don't think it's a good wagon. Can some of Tammy's wagoners please sum up exactly why the are on her, in an easy-to-find manner?
In fact, I think most of the top three wagons are garbage. I know that Tammy and Tierce aren't good wagons, and I can't really get a good handle on UN's play.
Also, a personal confession. I find myself mentally checking out of almost everything that doesn't relate directly to me. This game has moved at a pretty frantic pace (13 pages in just over a day?), and I don't really have the time or energy to keep up with every little thing right now.
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Vote: Hinduragi
Sure, why not.-
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In post 380, Alchemist wrote:Ludi used SPAM
Its super effective!
Alchemist used GUT!
Its not very effective...
Ludi used OMGUS and FAKEVOTE
Its not very effective...
Alchemist used TRUTH
Critical damage!
Ludi used DODGE!
Its not very effective
At work. Have not read last 2-3 pages much at all. Jumping Alchemist wagon for this alone.
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In post 386, Alchemist wrote:This is sort of insulting. I haven't spammed anything, I've tried to post and question to figure out people's alignments. None of my votes have been fake or without merit, and i've explained each one. I have several points against you. And i'd like to know which questions I've been dodging. I've answered anything you've asked.
I don't really see this post coming from town trying to figure out my alignment, (or anyone else's alignment in the game either.) You've thrown down a questionable vote (in direct contrast with your opening post promising calculation and reason), posted a whole hell of a lot without saying anything, and have accused me of things which are patently untrue.
you've spammed the thread in your own way.
did I hurt your feelings? are you going to play the wounded soldier now?
1)posted a whole hell of a lot without saying anything yea okay
2)accused you of things which are patently untrue okay where
3)i've already figured out your alignment its scum
4)i think you are scum therefore its questionable, LOL
5)my recent post, you've dodged it entirely
6)yeah bro your case on me is totally legit okay, lets let the crowd decide that
This entire post is just awful.-
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Not trying to assassinate anyone's character. However, the manner in which you've made each of your last two posts are far more typically characteristics of scum posting, not town posting. Trying to whip the town into a frenzy using poor insults and fruitless taunting are very characteristic of scum who want people to stop paying attention to the content of an argument and start playing on emotion.
Your last two posts strongly suggest that you are scum. If that's "character assassination" (interesting choice of words, by the way), so be it. But you need to die, sooner rather than later.-
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In post 394, UberNinja wrote:I don't like the Alchemist votes. They're disingenuous and lazy.
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Timeater, can you provide three examples where you've used this kind of rhetoric as town in the last? Also, can you please link me to your last two completed games as scum?
If this is just who you are and not a hallmark of caughtscum, I'd really like to know. Thanks in advance.-
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In post 434, ToastyToast wrote:Did you not get from my first post that there were three people I found suspicious. Good God the stupidity.
Your top three suspicion list is literally a steaming bowl of shit.-
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In fact,Vote: ToastyToast.
This guy's the play today. I promise. Everyone sheep me before it's too late!-
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Bee Tee Dubs, UN, note that Alchemist is the omission of his top three.
I swear to god, if Toasty dies as scum, Alchemist is getting lynched/vigged immediately.-
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In post 442, Duplicity wrote:In post 439, Glork wrote:Bee Tee Dubs, UN, note that Alchemist is the omission of his top three. I swear to god, if Toasty dies as scum, Alchemist is getting lynched/vigged immediately.
You're missing the context. His 3 scum reads of Tammy/UN/Tierce were created about 8ish or so pages ago when there was no wagon on Alchemist meaning his scum-reads were on the wagons that occurred then, not now meaning there's no connection between his FoS's and Alchemist.
Duly noted.
Still, the shit top 3 is a bona fide scumtell. Toasty dies first.-
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In post 440, ToastyToast wrote:In post 437, Glork wrote:In post 434, ToastyToast wrote:Did you not get from my first post that there were three people I found suspicious. Good God the stupidity.
Your top three suspicion list is literally a steaming bowl of shit.
How do expect me to respond to this? Would you prefer I just make up some scumreads on people who aren't being voted? I don't think my scumreads are shitty, and so I'm keeping them. The three of them are in a circle of "I know you before this game" and "I am like this in other games" and I don't like it. To me this is the singlemost suspicious thing in the game thus far. I'm sorry you don't like them, but quite frankly I think its a pretty damn good lead to start with this early into the game.
I don't expect you to respond to it. I expect you to die.
Seriously. When a player's top 3 suspicion list is exactly the top 3 votegetters in the game, 99% of the time (yes, this is rhetoric, fuck you all) it means that they're scum who are willng to ride any easy wagon to mislynch. It's a hallmark of lazy scum who can't (or simply choose not to) actually hunt for scum on their own. They are content to "find" the most widely-suspected people scummy. Sometimes.Sometimesit comes from very, very weak town who are just incapable of scumhunting on their own. But a vast majority of the time, it's from scum who want to look like they are scumhunting, look like they are contributing, but really just want to get through the day by lynching someone else, as long as they don't attract a lot of attention.
Unfortuantely for you, this tell is a HUGE one in my book, and when I notice it, I tend not to let it go.
But fine, let's try to expand your mind a little. Please think about -- I mean,reallyput some thought into -- these three questions, and provide answers for me at your earliest convenience.
How do you feel about Nikanor? Why?
How do you feel about Oversoul? Why?
If Haze were dayvigged right now, and flipped scum, who do you think would be most likely to be his scumbuddy? Why?-
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In post 445, Alchemist wrote:Good. I never liked baby Jesus anyway.
Note Glork's play towards me the past few pages. He thinks I'm a bothersome bit of dandruff he can sweep off his shoulder. Well guess what. I ain't no dandruff. I'm a bloodsucking mite carrying lethal diseases that will never let go. :3 IMO the Toasty thing is just a nice distraction from his evasive/scummy play. He latched on to it desperately. Even throwing his weight around a little with "Everyone sheep me before it's too late!" But thats just my opinion. Dup, search your feelings. Stop making excuses for Glork's play. There is a reason for it. And ANYWAY. Thanks for reminding me. I'm starting to post too much, aren't I? Sorry. My best scumreads are Ludi, Glork, and Spyre.
I got some extremely strong townreads but I wont list them atm. If you read through my ISO you can probably figure out who they are. Okay. Now that thats out of the way, I've said what I've wanted to say - I wont post for a day or so. There. Not gonna spam the thread. Ohhmmm. Ohmmm. Ohmmm.
For the record, throwing a bunch of rhetoric around might work in games with overall weak playerlists, but you're probably wasting your words here. I've committed two definitive towntells (neither of which were even pointed out by me, but I would agree that they are towntells), and the reason I eased up on you should be obvious -- because someone answered my meta concern (that blowing a lot of steam with little actual substance) is typical for you as town.
If you really want to go thorugh the motions, I don't mind bantering with you for a while and feeding you a giant helping of humble pie in postgame, but if you want to build an actual case against me, with evidence ofwhymy play so far isscummy, you'd best get around to doing it.
Sidenote -- This sentence:
makes me wonder if you've ever actually read me before, despite your claim of respect for me.Even throwing his weight around a little with "Everyone sheep me before it's too late!"
If you want to understand Glork throwing his weight around, please read the paragraph of this post that starts with "Furthremore, ..."
Throwing my weight around is what Ido. It is the very definition of glorkian play. True in 2008. True in 2012.-
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TIERCE IS NOT SCUM, PLEASE PUT YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE USEFUL.
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In post 463, Oversoul wrote:Ludi, look in the first half of the wall. There was some confusion about the wincondition that I want you to clarify.
Glork, why is Tierce town?
Already been over this. Do some legwork, please.-
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Confusion bit + pseudo softclaim + the fact that it's pretty widely known that Tierce is very uncomfortable playing scum.
They just do not add up to TierceScum. In any universe.-
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In post 479, Oversoul wrote:In post 477, Glork wrote:Elaborate?
Paranoia Mafia - she played dumb town
Paranoia Mafia - she bussed me early day 1 over something miniscule (I said I didn't read the role Pm or something like that)
Paranoia Mafia - she backed down off voting me once others pressured her + came to my defense
Mafia Behind the Maiden - she is "confused" about something that is pretty clear (roles = characters = players)
Mafia Behind the Maiden - she is going after Quilford for something rather miniscule, a mastinesque list of reads
Mafia Behind the Maiden - she backed down off Quilford after people called him town + started pressuring her
First point is tangential at best.
I'm looking at Paranoia and failing to see where she's playing dumb. She's doing a lot of question-asking, but that's not remotely the same as playing dumb. (Note: She's not shoving an onslaught of questions down players' throats here.) If you're talking about something specific she did early in Paranoia to feign ignorance, please link me the post(s) specifically.
Second point I can see; it's also why I suspected her pretty significantly early on. Her going after Quil was just awful.
Third point can go either way. Either town or scum could find motivation to move off of a bad vote. Heck, I've changed my mind mulitple times already.
Mostly, though, Tierce'stoneis completely different here than it was in Paranoia. She's more indignant here, whereas her posts from Paranoia seem... calculated? TierceTown generally doesn't give a rat's ass how she is percieved. TierceScum has to.
I'm still not buying TierceScum right now. I'm willing to consider the possibility that her scumplay is evolving more rapidly than I'd expect, but I really don't think she's the play right now.
Incidentally, Oversoul, what is your opinion of ToastyToast?
PEdit: Less random spamposts, please. This thread is already getting way too big way too quickly, and scum are going to use it as an excuse to hide in the shadows.-
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In post 507, Tierce wrote:Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.
I'm Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.
If not, well--carry on.
What the hell, Tierce? If you're one of the scums' targets, this is completely beyond retarded. If you're not one of the scums' targets, you've just given them a name of someone not to shoot.-
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In post 507, Tierce wrote:Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.
I'm Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.
If not, well--carry on.
Please tell me you're joking. The scum win condition is listed in the mod's pre-game posts. Stop being stupid.In post 517, Tammy wrote:All right Tierce can be town from recent posts. However, this has been bothering me all weekend. MoI, please explain why you seem so certain what the scum wincon is in your question to Spyrex. kthnxbai!
vote: MoI:
In post 239, MaguaofIllusion wrote:VOTE: Tierce
Questions –
DDD– why did you choose to sheep Spyrex as opposed to Glork?
Spyrex– given the scum wincon why should Post 139 not be met with immediate rope?
Glork– why would you bother to care who Dramonic wants you to sheep?
Singersinger and Oversoul– with the thread being open less than 24 hours and some people not active on weekends regularly why are both of you worried about why some players have yet to post?-
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In post 528, Tierce wrote:Glork, I derped hard when I called out the number of roles I am looking for. There wasn't much point in hiding it from then on. :/ If they actually exist, I don't want the other two players to claim, but if they can neighborize/masonize, here I am, this is me, etc.
I can think of two other groups-of-three in the FE:PoR/FE:RD. Your identity may have been obvious to you, because you were a part of a specific group of three, but it wasn't going to be obvious to anybody else. Hell, in the Triangle Attack you listed in the wiki, one of the other triplets from Path of Radiance islisted directly below Rolf/Boyd/Oscar. As far as I'm concerned, you'restillderping hard. Shape up.-
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Also, with "players looking for players" as a mechanic, there's a very good chance that the scums have one (or more) watcher/tracker abilities. If they use said abilities on you, you're outing even MORE townroles to the scums.
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Fucking fuck.
In post 508, Tierce wrote:Oversoul, of course my stuff in Paranoia was engineered to look town. I wasscumand the only place I was being transparent on was the scum QT, where I laid all my cards down and wasn't on strategilurk mode.In post 530, Tierce wrote:Maybe realize that I don't have to 'try' because this behavior comes naturallybecause I'm town?
Can you please reconcile these two quotes? Obivously you had success engineering townplay in Paranoia, as you survived and won.
How exactly do you expect us to discern "EngineeredTierceTown" from "GenuineTierceTown"?-
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Oversoul, how the hell is her death certain? If I'm scum and Rolf isn't one of the characters I have to kill, there's no way in hell I spend a nightkill on that slot. Are you even thinking before ou spout this kind of ridiculous nonsense?-
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Grey: Read 430, 436, 437, 448, and then vote Toasty.
Caveat: I haven't read his latest big post which actually looks like it may contain real content.
Will reply to Timeater when I get home from work, but yeah, there's a lot wrong with your "case."-
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Whee, okay.
I elected not to go into detail about my initial vote, which was completely intentional. History shows (and any one of like 15-20 people in this game can confirm) that this is a VERY common thing for Glork to do. Getting people to react to a vote without knowing entirely why that vote was placed is a tactic that generally only works when used by experienced/accomplished scumhunters, but it's a damned good one *if* it's used well. I pointed to two posts as the reason for placing my vote.
Dramonic actually hit the nail on the head with his Post 578 (by the way, Tim, Post Tags are your friend):
This is exactly what he did with ML that led me to vote him to begin with.In post 578, dramonic wrote:Perception: You`re trying to get valorization from that post more than actually trying to show that Glork is scum.
That`s how I see it.
Post 380 is/was a post where you spent most of your time and energy into trying to make your argument look... idk, cute? appealing? amusing?... I'm not exactly sure what the best word to use here is. Regardless, the format was obviously intended to do *something*, and the fact that you put so much into it without really fleshing out any kind of argument or making any inquiry to further asses ML's alignment/position gave off an "I'm using rhetoric, but not bothering to scumhunt" feeling.This is a scumtell.
I voted you, and then you posted Post 386. Your first sentence is awful and hypocritical. I looked at Activity Overview, and at that point I believe 6 players, including you, had made more posts than ML, including doozies such as Post 18 (RVS, excusable), Post 64, Post 149, Post 179, and Post 236. There's obviously been a complete lack of effort on your part to contribute, so when you make a post that is 90% cutesy word choice and 10% actual tangible content, it's plenty enough to raise an eyebrow.
You then CONTINUE with the rhetoric, with the "hurt feelings" and "wounded soldier" nonsense, when browbeating isn't remotely appropriate.
His Point 1 is true (again, see the posts I linked to, where you DO post a lot without really saying anything). His point 2, I hadn't had a chance to go back and assess, so I skipped over it. Point 3 -- your "I already figured out your alignment" comment is completely worthless, becuase it's not a statement anyone can take at face value -- it accomplishes NOTHING (just like the posts I had linked to). Point 4: See Point 3. Point 5, he hasn't been any more dodgy than you have been at this point. Point 6 is nothing but an Appeal to Majority, which... oh yeah, another scumtell.
So yeah. That entire post was awful. Just like in Post 386, there was needless fluff/rhetoric, and what little content you *did* provide got lost among your attempts to "play socially" as you'd like to put it.
The best I could get was that yourchoiceof language was to evoke some kind of emotional response, becuase you had little in the way of actual evidence/proof to make an actual, logical case against ML.
Your response was another pile of fluff (..."orgy"? Really? Where the fuck did you even get that word from as it relates to my post or your behavior?), at which point I thought "okay, is this really what this idiot does all the time" (Cue: Tim accusing me of ad hom again here, but I really was thinking that you were a complete moron at the time. Sorry.)
So I did what Glork often does. I sought meta references. I asked Tim to provide examples where he's been an obnoxious, wordy orator rather than someone who plays mafia using traditonal logic and scumhunting. Apparently, in your most recent big post against me, that amounts to "calling you a politiican." Again, if that's the choice of words you wish to use, go right ahead. What Iwasdoing was trying to understand whether this was really a scumtell coming from you, or if you're just naturally scummy.
After that, someone (EDIT: Yes, Duplicity in Post 409) confirmed that yes, this is in fact a "feature" of your playstyle.
I pretty much dropped it at that pont and haven't really pursued a Timeater wagon since.
Sooooo yeah.
By the bye, this:
pretty much undermines your entire case. You flat-out admit that you haven't taken anything else into account, which is a big part of the issue. It's really hard to sit here and watch you ask people to assess the "logical validity" of your argument when your argument is not only extremely selective, but based entirely on (flawed) speculation about the thoughts and motives behind the three posts you chose to attack.6. Based on just this experience ALONE, I feel I have enough for a scumGlork case.
I find it fascinating that, after using appeal to majority against ML, you've used the same thing here, asking several people to weigh in on your case against me before I can have a chance to respond.
I also find it interesting that you chose to stop your case where you did, ignoring my post where I debunked your "Glork's throwing his weight around" argument in Post 451, or Duplicity's confirmation of said playstyle in Post 481.-
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EBWOP: Addendum. Timeater, can you please read Duplicity's assessment of me in Post 481 and comment on it? Twice -- TWICE, including with you -- I reigned myself in and chose to dig a little deeper into whether someone I suspected was scum, just to doublecheck my gut. Both times I wound up changing my mind. Do you think this is a hallmark of scumplay, despite Dupe's assessment that it fits GlorkTown to a tee? If so, why?-
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