Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[ToastyToast]

ummm sry Vi. plz delete double post.


ALso, I'm still voting DDD and don't know why my name is crossed out in vote count

Vote:DDD

[Alchemist]

Waiting for the PC release myself, Toast. Was a big fan of Demon Souls.

[Shmugen]

In the same vein as the childish arguments where telling someone to be quiet constitutes being loud, Alchemist, cut it out with the fluff posts. The Blue Number (Blumber?) will come calling.

Consider Katsuki struck from my list of want to lynch today for now.

[Alchemist]

Wats a fluff

[Tammy]

@ Tammy, I have put effort into finding scum, a lot actually.

And to your 'defensive' argument, the whole "being defensive is a scum tell" thing is, and has always been, bogus. Everyone should always defend themselves in detail against any reasonable accusation (and against most unreasonable ones as wll).

If you're town, and someone's calling you scum, either their facts are wrong, their logic is wrong, they're jumping to conclusions incorrectly, or at the very least their argument is inconclusive. One of those things must be true, and whenever someone accuses you, it's your job to say why they're wrong.

I tend to consider failure to defend yourself properly a scumtell, and defending yourself to be null at worst.

(I first figured out that "being defensive is a scumtell" thing was crap during my first few games as scum; I was amazed how easy it was for a scum to get a mislynch using it. Step 1, attack someone. Step 2, when they defend themselves, call them defensive. Never failed.)

Defensivness isn't scummy, period. If you defend yourself against a mild attack with a mile long post, then that might be an overreaction, but it isn't at all scummy; there's no reason to think scum is more likely to do that then town.

Now, if you're defending yourself without scumhunting, that can be scummy, but there the tell is the lack of scumhunting, not defending yourself. If you're defending yourself in detail, it pretty much just means you're playing the game properly; nobody wants to be lynched, and if you let even minor incorrect arguments against you stand without responding to them, it's very likely to come back and bite you on the ass later in the game.

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Did you read my whole post? I don't understand how you're coming to the conclusions here if you did. I didn't say that you haven't scumhunted. In fact, I said that I feel like that's all you've been doing, but that it's not fair of me to feel that way because I know you've been doing other things; I just feel like I see defenses all the time.

I never once stated that being defensive is a scum tell. I actually agree that it's bogus that some people think it's a scum tell. It's a personality tell. I know that I'm quite defensive myself, especially when town. I've actually been told that I'm overdefensive *bet you would never have thought it huh?*

But, see, here rather than respond to what I think are the more important parts of my post; you give me a dissertation on the merits of defending oneself. I never said defending yourself is bad, but when it seems like it's the bulk of what you are doing (and I admit it might not be fair of me to think that way) that it makes you seem overly concerned with your appearance. You seem more concerned with proving you're right (for instance see above) or getting people to like you than you are with finding scum.

[Gammagooey]

oh hey actually reading things

hey ludi i went over your wagon analysis and although you saying "because i know i'm town" to reinforce it fills me with a strange burning sensation I think the analysis is for the most part decent. But don't you think it's at least possible that scum would hop on near the end given the importance of getting the day over quickly? hindu's probably town for other stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if grey-scum or tammy-scum hopped on the wagon late since it looked inevitable and stalling it after a daykill for being slow at lynching just happened.
disclaimer: have a town read on tammy right now and this is mostly for an example of why I think your logic could be flawed.

[Vi]

Vote Count XVII:

Tormod
Nexus (L-9) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-9) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

MaguaofIllusion,

Shmugen, Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-11) ~

Alchemist,

GreyICE, MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Katsuki
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~

danakillsu,

ToastyToast

Avenging Angel (L-13) ~

Gammagooey

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel,

Katsuki,

Nexus, Nikanor,

Oman,

singersigner, SpyreX,

ToastyToast,

Tierce,

UberNinja

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: danakillsu

[Magister Ludi]

But, see, here rather than respond to what I think are the more important parts of my post; you give me a dissertation on the merits of defending oneself.

I guess I must have skimmed the important stuff . I thought that was the main thrust of your post. I'll go reread it.

hey ludi i went over your wagon analysis and although you saying "because i know i'm town" to reinforce it fills me with a strange burning sensation I think the analysis is for the most part decent.

But don't you think it's at least possible that scum would hop on near the end given the importance of getting the day over quickly?

hindu's probably town for other stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if grey-scum or tammy-scum hopped on the wagon late since it looked inevitable and stalling it after a daykill for being slow at lynching just happened.
disclaimer: have a town read on tammy right now and this is mostly for an example of why I think your logic could be flawed.

It is possible that scum hopped on late, but I think unlikely. The lynch looked very inevitable once quilford claimed VT and the blood was in the water. And if anything, it looks like scum would want to prolong the day, considering this strange blue number we've got going on here. I do think hindu is town as well, and I think tammy is probably town at the moment too.

I don't think hypo-anyone scum would jump on the wagon late, there was no reason to, plus it makes you look bad when counterwagon implosion-scum was sitting there. I'm not sure what you mean with the day-kill either, unless you're referencing oversoul?

Toasty;

If you don't see TSH or Nexus scum, I think Oman scum could be right up your alley.

[Glork]

It is possible that scum hopped on late, but I think unlikely. The lynch looked very inevitable once quilford claimed VT and the blood was in the water. And if anything, it looks like scum would want to prolong the day, considering this strange blue number we've got going on here. I do think hindu is town as well, and I think tammy is probably town at the moment too.

Do you think that prolonging the day was a remotely feasible strategy, given posts such as MoI's Post 1475 and my Post 1548?

Like, sure scum would WANT to prolong the day, but don't you think that actually TRYING to prolong the day would be a bit far-fetched at that point?

Because as scum, I sure would want to go with the flow and "end the day quickly" by mislynching a townie. Dead town is dead town.

[GreyICE]

I probably should make my self useful if I'm not gonna be here.

Vote: GI

UN vote is pretty bad and needs explaining.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THIS IS SO BAD

HE'S CONTENT TO LET ME FORGET ABOUT IT

UNTIL HE REALIZES THAT OH NO, I FORGET NOTHING

AND I'M HERE, WAITING

JESUS PIG FUCK GUYS

[Hinduragi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: danakillsu

While I see that we're purging and that's fine by me, unless it's really inevitable, I'd like to go through other people first. I get that dana has support. But it's the wrong kind of support for Day 2 in a game like this, I think.

[Hinduragi]

I probably should make my self useful if I'm not gonna be here.

Vote: GI

UN vote is pretty bad and needs explaining.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THIS IS SO BAD

HE'S CONTENT TO LET ME FORGET ABOUT IT

UNTIL HE REALIZES THAT OH NO, I FORGET NOTHING

AND I'M HERE, WAITING

JESUS PIG FUCK GUYS

This is starting to get old and fake now.

[Alchemist]

i sort of agree

GI whats your game

[Alchemist]

though semantic analysis (fancy phrase for gut) of the quoted post leaves me somewhat agreeing with him

[GreyICE]

What's my game

Is that I'm seriously fucking angry

And fucking drunk.

Seriously folks.

Katsuki got away with doing shit day 1. Jack. Shit. Seriously, go ISO him. It won't take long.

He has two fucking confirmed scum reads in the entire world. MoI and me. The only people in the entire fucking game he thinks are scum. And MoI is basically likely to be town (if not confirmed, certainly not likely to be lynched today and most likely town). So he starts today by going 'hee dee, look at me fluff post, lemme post some fluffy shit, etc. etc.'

So, I'm the only scumread this fucker has left in the entire FUCKING UNIVERSE and he forgets I exist until I attack him?

Terminate him with EXTREME MOTHERFUCKING PREJUDICE YOU FLEA INFESTED DONKEY FUCKING CUNTLAPPERS

[Glork]

Vote: Nexus

Whaaaaaatever.

[Alchemist]

I could vote Nexus.

[GreyICE]

Oh for gods sake

Don't you assholes dare say that you don't see it

His scum reads were the largest wagon at the time
And the one person in the game attacking him

THE LARGEST WAGON AND THE ONLY PERSON ATTACKING HIM

COULD THESE SCUM READS GET ANY LAZIER?

FUCK YOU ALL

VOTE: NEXUS

HE'S PROBABLY TOWN

BECAUSE YOU'RE IDIOTS

BUT I DON'T GIVE A FUCK

THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

[Alchemist]

yo bro slow your roll you dont seem well

you're pretty quick to throw your katsuki-rage-read under the bus there and sheep glork

seems kinda contradictory to your previous stance, bro

[GreyICE]

OH YEAH
LIKE I GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK TIM
I DON'T SERIOUSLY GIVE A FUCKING SHIT
SO SUCK MY COCK


SERIOUSLY YOU REALIZE NO ONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME HAS GIVEN ME ANYTHING RESEMBLING AN ADEQUATE EXPLANATION OF WHY KATSUKI ISN'T BEING LYNCHED

BUT WE'RE GOING TO WAGON LUDI OR NEXUS BECAUSE THAT'S THE COOL THING TO DO

FUCK YOU

LUDI AT LEAST IS DEFINITELY TOWN

AND IF YOU FUCKING TRY AND RIDE MY NUTS LIKE ANYTHING YOU SAY MATTERS

I'M GONNA FUCKING GET SERIOUS ON YOUR FACE

[Alchemist]

you're being highly illogical, grey

[Hinduragi]

If you really want to know why I'm not on Katsuki, it's because I read him as town. Big woop, he forgot you in this game, he's at SoL. When I was at The Reckoning, I wasn't exactly in tip top scumhunting shape either in regards to memory.

[GreyICE]

Then WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DO YOU READ HIM AS TOWN?

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LET HIMSELF GET REPLACED OUT? YE GOD HE LIKES PLAYING AS SCUM. THAT'S NO EXCUSE.

OR IS IT SOME SECRET CODEPHRASE IN ONE OF HIS 6 POSTS?

[Hinduragi]

You might want to go pick up some rum and scotch before I answer that question.