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I'm not liking the "mostly random" caveat of scotmany's statement.
It's an active way avoid his choices being open to scrutiny. "Random" implies that there is no reason for his choices that we can question.
I believe that a player might feel the need to say this out loud if he's afraid his choice may betray that he's scum, under the light of scrutiny.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I would make an effort to draw people out. I would ask that we don't go too fast in order to have more info. I would be more pro-active.Goatrevolt wrote:Ren: If you were in his position, what criteria would you use to dish out the abilities on day 1?
We don't know how this game will play out. Maybe there will be information.
I would never, ever throw in the towel in my first post and declare, without any knowledge of how things will develop, that my choice will be random.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Ren Hoek wrote:I would never, ever throw in the towel in my first post and declare, without any knowledge of how things will develop, that my choice will be random.*unless I was scum and wanted to hide the fact that my choice will be influenced by my being scum.*[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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What?scotmany12 wrote:You guys confuse me with someone who can catch scum with the slightest slip. I am in no way trying to avoid scrutiny.
All you have to do is find players that you find TOWNIE.
But then if we later find out that you give out powers to scum on Day 1, and the chances of you giving powers to scum at random are rather slim on Day 1, you can say: "It was random! It was random!"
And now you are preemptively adding the defense that you can't catch scum.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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It's highly LIKELY that scum would slip early, they often do.scotmany12 wrote:It's HIGHLY unlikely that any scum is going to let something slip during this phase [...]
You did.
For example.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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You may, after having exhausted all your mental power and found yourself unable to decide.scotmany12 wrote:I once made a random investigation as cop. Mhm. There are totally random decisions. Not lying.
It's the "announcement ahead of time" that's scummy.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Scottyscum giving powers to the scum would be a major drawback to the game, as we'd be wasting tracking results on players that will mislead us.
If scot is scum, and gives power to the scum, what power should we let him hand out? Just a theoretical mafia question.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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A concern about scum in our accounting department was first brought up in our QT by Seraphim.scotmany12 wrote:Not only are you convinced that I am scum, for some reason you assume there is scum on the creative department, something that no one but scum would know about. Hmmmm.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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We don't KNOW. But we may suspect.Seraphim wrote:If we know he is scum, we lynch him and then replace him. We don't let him hand out powers.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Please explain how you can say that you "HIGHLY DOUBT" that scot is scum. Evidence please for making such a definite statement.crywolf20084 wrote:
I highly doubt he is. But this is not our choice, this is the CEO'sSeraphim wrote:If scot is scum then we should replace him right now.
I will point out now that crywolf is very concerned in the QT about Seraphim and myself overreacting to scotmany.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I'm VERY concerned with scot's announcement that his choice would be random, before he had any information about how much information he would have to base his choice on.crywolf20084 wrote:
You're acting like you know. . .Ren Hoek wrote:
We don't KNOW. But we may suspect.Seraphim wrote:If we know he is scum, we lynch him and then replace him. We don't let him hand out powers.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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"Anyways, It's this early in the game I rather not put an allignment on someone." says crywolf.
ORLY.
But you just said in the QT that you'd rather lynch me than scotmany!
I'm looking for the answer to my question. My question is: "Please explain how you can say that you "HIGHLY DOUBT" that scot is scum. Evidence please for making such a definite statement. "[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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You better pick townies overwhelmingly. Your life depends on it.scotmany12 wrote:I can say my decision this day will no longer be basically random.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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scotmany12 wrote:In a somewhat related realization. I was unaware I had a quick topic(s) to post in until I looked at my role pm again. Upon realization that I can talk to members in my department, I can say my decision this day will no longer be basically random.
Why did you put an optional plural for to "quick topics(s)?"
I only have the one. You have more?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Adel wrote:Also, Ren Hoek = TSQ
Don't make me ragequit.
Now post a game flowchart or prepare to die.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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It doesn't say whether the mafia has a kill each day. My working hypothesis is it does.
Does the above rule confirm it?rules wrote:(27d)Immediate actions' public results (if any), most notably kills will be posted between 0 and 24 hours of me opening the PM, to avoid Time Zone differences breaking the game.
To be helpful, I am going to come right out and confirm that I'm town. I would appreciate if you could do the same.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Seraphim's first post in the QT stated that one player on the team was scum.
The thought hadn't occurred to me, I hadn't read the rules yet. Now I read the rules, but I'm still somewhat unclear on the concept.
Seraphim knew right off the bat that there was scum in our group.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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There are a few groups of players can can daytalk and take decisions. The scum is mixed in those players.crywolf20084 wrote:what do you understand?
My group picks a power.
Scotmany (and others?) pick who it goes to.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Everything else. If I could name it, I would be understanding it.crywolf20084 wrote:what don't you understand?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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That's what I thought. I immediately thanked him for 'fessin' scum.scotmany12 wrote:The only way he would know if there was scum in your team was if he was scum. Town would have no prior knowledge to suggest that there is scum in your group.
Then he replied something about it being a "joke."[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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The time stamp on the QT when he came in asking whether any of us were scum was 12:17.scotmany12 wrote:The only way he would know if there was scum in your team was if he was scum. Town would have no prior knowledge to suggest that there is scum in your group.
His first in-game post was 12:16.
The roles were sent out a few hours prior to the game opening.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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crywolf20084 wrote: Gotta remember this is deep south as well.
Duly noted.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Seraphim wrote:
Misrepping at its finest. I never stated I knew there were scum. I asked, and I quote "Are any of you scum?" This was a JOKE to get discussion started. I never stated that and your blanant misrepping is FAR more scummy than anything I have done. I know exactly who to vote once we get to the voting phase.Ren Hoek wrote:Seraphim's first post in the QT stated that one player on the team was scum.
The thought hadn't occurred to me, I hadn't read the rules yet. Now I read the rules, but I'm still somewhat unclear on the concept.
Seraphim knew right off the bat that there was scum in our group.
I'm looking for the misrep.
I can't find it.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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You asked if any of us were scum.
I had no idea what sort of masonry I was in, the PM doesn't name or most importantly enumerate the other members.
I strutted into the QT without a clue.
The last thing on my mind would be to barge in and ask who is scum, not knowing how many others there were, what we were doing, etc.
It was YOUR first thought.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Seraphim wrote:You have still failed to prove that I KNOW there is scum in Accounting. I'll get to Nuwen's post later.
I can't prove that you did.
I rather believe that you did.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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BTW, you yourself implied that *I* must have KNOWN that you're scum, after I suggested that you just confessed scum.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Answers to this question would be gold for the scum, if they assume that a significant proportion of these answers would be carried out.Seraphim wrote:That's a gutsy plan. If you were the Creative Director, who would get which abilities?
I suggest that it be left unanswered, in the tradition of "don't direct the vig."[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Adel wrote:How about Ren & Seraphy stop flooding the thread until the other accounting people weigh in?
Roger. I will say no more.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Self-metas are sus.Seraphim wrote:...you've stumbled onto one of my major weaknesses as a Mafia player. Scum, town, third-party, I am way too excited for the game to progress and for lynches to happen. Every game I've been seen as "oppurtunistic" because I'm simply eager to see people dead and the game to progress.
Is trying to find out the town's future night choices another of your weaknesses?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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We're not planning on making the night choices public, are we?
Which brings me to the topic of CKD. Lurkerscum much? Yes? No?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I see I have some catching up to do, I have stuff coming up in the next few days but I expect to have more time available after that. Expect a mega post.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Yosarian2 wrote:
I like this logic a lot.Budja wrote:vote: Ren Hoek
Started suspicion onto the creative director for a bad reason (saying random picks are bad/scummy). The scum would certainly want the director (if not scum) removed so this feels a little bad to me.
Unvote:Budja; it was basically a vote for flying under the radar, and with this post, he's not flying under the radar anymore.
Vote: Ren Hoek
I don't think it qualifies as "logic."
FOS: Yosarian
vote: Budja[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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It would have to be logic in the first place, which it isn't.Budja wrote:Nice OMGUS. Now why don't you tell mewhymy logic fails.
Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.
Scotmany was neither threat nor inconvenience to scum. Your "logic" takes another hit.
Occam's razor suggests very strongly that I am a paranoid townie. To suggest otherwise, as you have, is scummy.
Hence my vote.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Yes. You are missing that Budja implied that scotmany was a inconvenience on account of his role. I am saying that he's wrong about that, too.Goatrevolt wrote:So since Scotmany wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum, you could still be scum pushing his wagon? Or am I missing something here?
Was he? Who was he threatening, and how could he possibly be construed to be inconvenient to scum?Goatrevolt wrote:Also, why do you say he wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Is my bad assumption any worse that yours?Budja wrote:
Well actually they do sometimes. If scum think they can get away with making a pro-town looking player/role suspicious, they could very well do it.Ren wrote: Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.
You make a bad assumption.
I don't think anyone was clear on that when I was testing scotmany's mettle; that certainly was the case for me.Budja wrote:Scot is the creative director, the most important game role. Without a creative director, we have no PR's [...] So attacking the creative director like you did over such a minor thing looks suss.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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SensFan wrote:FoS: Ren Hoek
This will become a vote if he isn't at L-1.
I have 5/8 votes if my count is correct, so don't be a chicken and place your vote.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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His reasons for voting me are spurious, at least from my point of view. Spurious votes are scummy. Of course, it's easier to notice when the spurious vote is against me, given that I know my own alignment.Yosarian2 wrote:Could you explain again why you're voting for Budja here, Ren? It really just looks like OMGUS to me.
I am less alarmed, but I wish I could be more confident that he is town.Yosarian2 wrote:Also, what do you think about scotmany now?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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SensFan wrote:
Awesome, thanks for letting me know.Ren Hoek wrote:SensFan wrote:FoS: Ren Hoek
This will become a vote if he isn't at L-1.
I have 5/8 votes if my count is correct, so don't be a chicken and place your vote.
Vote: Ren Hoek
The pleasure is all mine.
Anyone else wishes to compromise himself by quicklynching a townie for the sin of aggressively trying to find scum? I have two tickets left on the train.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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It is productive. At some point you'll realize that it's in the interest of scum to discredit an aggressive player at the earliest possible time in the game. I would surmise that a couple of scum may be on the wagon already.FaerieLord wrote:...it sure as hell is not productive to the town.
I started out very aggressively looking for scum. For this I am rewarded with a lightning speed wagon. Now you call me an intentional burden? I think that's a little unfair, but until my alignment is known you cannot be sure, unless you are scum.FaerieLord wrote:Rather than trying to be an intentional burden...
FaerieLord wrote:why don't you get up and do something about your current -2 position?
Like what? I've answered the charges, and received more votes. Someone has to be lynched today. If you want to be rid of a player that will make the scum very nervous by being ultra-aggressive, lynch me, I'm your man.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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You know that no one is going to own up to that.FaerieLord wrote:Please, if anyone that is voting him for being aggressive, let me know.
Thanks for giving the scumbuddies an out.FaerieLord wrote:So stop trying to play it as though you're scum's scapegoat. People are voting you for a reason.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I didn't find it logical at all. Perhaps it is because I know he's wrong.Yosarian2 wrote:
They're really clearly not spurious. He had good, logical reasons for voting you, as lots of logical intellegent people have pointed out and explained to you by now.Ren Hoek wrote: His reasons for voting me are spurious, at least from my point of view.
He may or may not be right, but all he's doing is agressive, logical scumhunting for valid reasons. Which you just said wasn't scummy.
You sound like you are very much looking forward to night in order to enjoy the thrill of the nightkill with your buddies.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Interesting development.
I thought I was at L-1. That was the incorrect count I was posting. It's not impossible that I unintentionally mislead the scum into thinking I was at L-1. If the scum thought as much, I'd be dead, too, immediately after Seraphim died. Maybe they thought they'd be rid of two account executives in one fell swoop.
Had I counted properly, and died along with Seraphim, we'd have:
vollkan - Head of Account Services
crywolf20084 - Account Executive
Nuwen - Account Executive
curiouskarmadog - Account Executive
There wouldn't be much point in striving to be one scum account executive with 3 townies. But if two of the above players are scum, I definitely see an advantage.
I'm not sure I thought this through fully, but it's a start.
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TDC wrote:As far as I can see, Seraphim was the first vote on your wagon, which is why him getting killed didn't lynch you.
Oops. Yeah.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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What is so solid about the points raised against FL?SensFan wrote:The points raised against FL are very solid...[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I could see myself voting for SensFan if he fails to produce a convincing explanation for why FL's tell is "VERY SOLID."[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I should not vote for you because you don't have any votes yet? Is that your argument?SensFan wrote:
Its funny you say that, since I don't think I have any votes on me at all,Ren Hoek wrote:I could see myself voting for SensFan if he fails to produce a convincing explanation for why FL's tell is "VERY SOLID."
"Plenty of reasons" is a relative term, especially on Day 1 when little has happened and there is no voting record. You did respond to my invitation to vote me quite eagerly.SensFan wrote:and you called me a chicken earlier for not voting you when I had plenty of reasons and you were at L-2.
I said I would vote for you if you FAILED to produce a satisfactory explanation for you finding the points brought up about FL "VERY SOLID."SensFan wrote: So why, exactly, did you not just vote me?
I want to know why you find them so compelling, because although they do qualify as "points," they are pretty low on the scale IMO. I'm not seeing too many players swayed by them.SensFan wrote: Especially since all the points raised against FL (by both Adel and myself) have been explained quite thoroughly.
I would qualify your play so far as opportunistic.
And since you have failed to explain that the points about FL were strong ones, worthy of qualifying them as "VERY SOLID," you have now earned my vote. With "opportunism" as a supplemental reason.
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What's the diff? You're the one that called them very solid. What's wrong with asking you to explain that?SensFan wrote:...but instead of asking me to explain the points more clearly, he asked me to tell him why they were good.
Aw c'mon, even I think scot is town right now.SensFan wrote:Yes, I'm very happy with my vote on Ren right now, though I think scot and FL are also likely Scum.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Maybe they seem weak because I don't understand them. Why don't you try? Unless you don't really think the case is "very solid" and you are merely being opportunistic scum.SensFan wrote:If you understand the points being raised against FL, and you don't think they're worth much, how can I possibly convince you otherwise?
I'll let the rest of the players decide whether I "strawmanned and misrepresented" you.SensFan wrote:Also, I notice that you failed to respond to all the other points I raised, about how you strawmanned and misrepresented me.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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SensFan wrote:You need to pick one of the two and stick to it. So which one is it?
Neither.
I think I understand them. Maybe I don't. I think they're weak. Maybe I'm missing something.
I'm still waiting to be enlightened by you.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Adel wrote:crywolf20084, vollkan, TDC and Budja (& Nuwen or replacements) are behind the curve on activity.
Please compare and contrast the cases against Ren, Sensfan, and FL...
Why are you guiding the lurkers to limit their analysis, and consequently their votes among 3 players? Is that a sneaky way to give them excuses not to scum hunt? Do you happen to know that all three of these players are town, and therefore, all good lynches from your perspective? Are your buddies among the lurkers?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Is this as scummy as I think it is?Adel wrote:I want other players to contribute more, and I don't want to serve as a pathfinder for the scum to get a mislynch.
So, you're saying that you're asking the lurkers to focus on 3 players for more parcipation? Are there ways to accomplish this goal that are less biased against a minority of players? Are you generally pleased that all the wagons are on townies? Are you hoping to get more support from your lurking buddies? Are you frustrated that you are alone fronting your whole scumteam?Adel wrote:
I'm asking them specific questions in a specific way so that we can compare their answers, and the overall purpose is to get more even amounts of participation in this game.Ren Hoek wrote:Adel wrote:crywolf20084, vollkan, TDC and Budja (& Nuwen or replacements) are behind the curve on activity.
Please compare and contrast the cases against Ren, Sensfan, and FL...
Why are you guiding the lurkers to limit their analysis, and consequently their votes among 3 players?
Adel wrote:
It is a direct way to get them to comment on the three active wagons currently in play.Is that a sneaky way to give them excuses not to scum hunt?
Are you denying that you're leading the lurkers (aka some of your buddies) onto active townie wagons, leaving your buddies unmolested? Are you denying that you are restricting their scumhunting (or pretend scumhunting) to targets of your choosing?
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From a Ren-town perspective, how could these question possibly help the town win?Do you happen to know that all three of these players are town, and therefore, all good lynches from your perspective? Are your buddies among the lurkers?
Do I make you nervous?
Adel wrote:It looks to me like you might be spamming up the game thread with pointless dialog in an attempt to corrupt the signal:noise ratio.
Are you trying to shut me up?
Adel wrote:Keep it up and I'll commit to mitigating that risk by pushing for your lynch as quickly as possible. Diarrhea of the hands is not pro-town.
Threats. Nice.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Why?TDC wrote:Also, I like my current vote.
Also, I'm heartbroken that you are not saying anything about Adel's latest.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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That's pretty crummy of you to go slurp Adel's spaghettis and comment only on the three players whose wagons he's trying to whip.Budja wrote:I have commented (at least briefly) on every wagon before save the sens wagon.
Your failure to comment on Adel has not escaped my notice.
It's still early, but my top suspects now include Adel and less recently Budja. I am currently reconsidering my stance on SensFan following Adel and Budja's suspicious reactions.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Certainly. Adel's whipping of these three wagons by enticing the lurkers to do all the grunt work by answering her question, which I repeat is bizarrely limited to three players, mine being the only one that could be rightfully described as an actual wagon, suggests that Adel is scum, and is opportunistically trying to concentrate suspicion on what might be three convenient townies.Yosarian2 wrote:Excuse me, Ren? Care to explain that comment?
Agreed. The smell of opportunism is choking me. I'm trying to weigh SensFan's apparent opportunism against Adel's. I can't arrive at a conclusion at this time.Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, I'm not happy about Sensfan's play recently. He said he thought the case on FL was very strong, then when asked to explain why, he got oddly evasive.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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I wouldn't know. What is your theory?Adel wrote:Why do you think she has not been posting?[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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