I didn't, actually.SensFan wrote:You do understand that you can't be given a role, right?
But if someone else would be willing to vig Budja... that be good.
Anyway, I agree with the plan, it's a no brainer.
I didn't, actually.SensFan wrote:You do understand that you can't be given a role, right?
I wasn't trying any trick. I wanted to know who he thought was scum. Never tried to discredit or anything. I already responded to this:vollkan wrote:As Adel said, this is a rhetorical trick and doesn't in any way discredit suspicions. I'm interested as to why you'd ask it, though.Scot wrote: So you think I'm scum with Ren and FL and...budja?
Budja has pinged my scumdar. I don't like how all of a sudden he thinks FL looked scummy.scotmany12 wrote:Chill, I wasn't trying any trick. I fully expect you to be suspicious of more than three people given your ability. I was simply wondering who you suspected. I included with because I had briefly considered a four person scum team (no longer do after calculating the percentage of scum would be 35%).Adel wrote:I'm so tired of that rhetorical trick. Yes, I do have a list of prime suspects, and yes that list has more than three names. That I am suspicious of more than three people does not undermine the legitimacy of my suspicions.scotmany12 wrote:So you think I'm scum with Ren and FL and...budja?
You're saying you didn't understand how the roles are given out?Ren Hoek wrote:I didn't, actually.SensFan wrote:You do understand that you can't be given a role, right?
Eh...at that point, though, especally after Adel laid it out in such detail, if we didn't quick lynch FL before he got back and he WAS scum, he would have used his one-shot right away, and either given your role to a scumbuddy or WIFOMed us into thinking he did. Either way, the jump from "The guy giving out the roles is confirmed town" to "town has no roles at all" would have totally killed the town this game, dramatically reducing our chances to win.scotmany12 wrote:Ehh, I didn't neccesarily agree with lynching FL, rather have tried to lynch scum. I have to read the last page. Jailkeeper is an obvious choice. Yeah, and no to vigilantes incase I give it to scum.
that was my perception as well, and I wasn't expecting to have a much higher level of confidence against anyone else.Yosarian2 wrote: I personally thought there was only, say, a 30%-40% chance FL was scum (to pull a number out of thin air), but the risk of letting him live at that point was unacceptable.
why is figuring out the mechanics in play anti-town? with 14 living players, and most of them not having an especially solid grasp of the mechanics, I thought that was where my talents would best be directed.OhGodMyLife wrote: - Adel is rubbing me the wrong way, focusing too much on theory/breaking-the-game and too little on analyzing the other players.
his post- Top of page six, Adel seems to be asking leading Qs of seraphim that are designed specifically to make him look scummy, not actually ascertain whether what he did was more likely to come from scum
really struck me the wrong way, and I was trying to get some traction on him. I suspected that he was scum attempting to undermine my plan, or figure out what his team's reaction should be to it.Seraphim in 113 wrote:I think the CEO is also privy to the quicktopic. But yes, I'm willing to comment on the task at hand.
That's a gutsy plan. If you were the Creative Director, who would get which abilities?
the actual post:- Adel's vote and explanation of wanting to see if anyone would follow her is very scummy. There was a whole lot more to work with than just a lurker.
and it did get vollkan posting.Adel wrote:to see what your response time was, and if anyone else would follow my vote.vollkan wrote:
Mind explaining the basis upon which you asserted that I was "posting so much elsewhere"?
glad to see that you are active again.
who do you think is scum?
the entire post that one word "pathfinder" was drawn from:- Ironic that in post 382 Adel doesn't want to "serve as a pathfinder" for a mislynch but then as far as I can tell ends up being the major thrust behind the FL mislynch.
I think it is one of the stronger anti-Ren posts in this game, and I think it is interesting that you focused on the irony. Chainsaw defense, I think.Adel wrote:I'm holding my cards close to my chest for now. I want other players to contribute more, and I don't want to serve as a pathfinder for the scum to get a mislynch.curiouskarmadog wrote:
Adel your thoughts on Sens? What do you think of his vote at the start of the phase? Your thoughts on his wagon? Your current position on ren?I'm asking them specific questions in a specific way so that we can compare their answers, and the overall purpose is to get more even amounts of participation in thsi game.Ren Hoek wrote:Adel wrote:crywolf20084, vollkan, TDC and Budja (& Nuwen or replacements) are behind the curve on activity.
Please compare and contrast the cases against Ren, Sensfan, and FL...
Why are you guiding the lurkers to limit their analysis, and consequently their votes among 3 players?It is a direct way to get them to comment on the three active wagons currently in play.Is that a sneaky way to give them excuses not to scum hunt?
From a Ren-town perspective, how could these question possibly help the town win? It looks to me like you might be spamming up the game thread with pointless dialog in an attempt to corrupt the signal:noise ratio. Keep it up and I'll commit to mitigating that risk by pushing for your lynch as quickly as possible. Diarrhea of the hands is not pro-town.Do you happen to know that all three of these players are town, and therefore, all good lynches from your perspective? Are your buddies among the lurkers?
- Post 391 is a cheap shot from Adel. Its like a madlib where the blank saysScummy Reasonunderneath it. She doesn't even have to come up with her own, everyone else will just fill it in themselves after this post.
My theory was, and is, that because she has had serious RL drama with TSQ, and figured out that TSQ=Ren, she replaced out.Adel in 391 wrote:I'm heartbroken that Nuwen is getting replaced despite remaining active on this site. Why do you think she has not been posting?Ren Hoek wrote: Also, I'm heartbroken that you are not saying anything about Adel's latest.
have you ever played with TSQ? Do you doubt that Ren is an alt? If Ren is TSQ will that help you determine Ren's alignment?- Bottom of 16/Top of 17 - Alt hunting is a waste of time. It is unimportant.
why? The same though occurred to me. I really didn't think that the scum would've targeted scot, for fear of the busdriver, and I was trying to figure out why Serapham was targeted by scum, and saving Ren's bacon seemed like a plausible cause.- Yos continuing to push the "scum killed someone on the Ren wagon therefore Ren is scum" line of attack is really, really scummy.
how does Ren's reaction make him honest? More importantly, how do you equate Ren's corruption of the signal:noise ratio in this thread with a likely-town alignment?- I'm following scot's reasoning much better now. Early game random thing was probably honest. Ren's reaction to it still makes him town.
It seemed to me that Ren was scum, and Sens was taking heat as an alternative to a Ren-scum lynch.- Digesting Adel's post of the QT... honestly, it looks good right up to Adel calling people being willing to go after Sens a town-tell for him. The wagon on Sens at this point was a whopping two votes. I'm pretty sure Sens is scum and Adel is either scum with him or totally taken in by virtue of sharing a QT with him.
did you note the posts where I explicitly stated that I did not Sens lynched? I didn't, and I still don't. His play has been sloppy, and he has been making sub-optimal posts regardless of what his alignment is. I fail to see a scum-motivation for his sloppiness, and RL drama seems like a good explanation. I see him as a relatively un-invested townie popping in and typing some words, and not thinking carefully enough about the game: mislynch material.- OK, hold the phone. Adel's quicklynch FL plan looks good at first glance, but on a deeper level it is seriously, seriously terrible. I don't know why at this point Goat is the only one who has pointed out that Ren is very very probably town based on busdrive etc but this fact leaves FL and Sens as the only really viable wagons left. So Adel suddenly comes up with some crazy break-the-game theory of why FL should be quicklynched no questions asked? I call shenanigans. Adel was saving Sens' bacon, pure and simple.
which post number should FL-scum have swapped scot out by? At which post number should we have concluded that FL was town?- It should have been clear from FL posting after Adel potentially blew up scum-FL's spot with the "lets quicklynch him" post andnotswapping out scot that FL was town and not in need of quicklynching.
why is my name in parenthesis?Scumbags
Sens
Yos
(Adel)
more importantly, he wasn't actually lurking.Adel wrote:the actual post:- Adel's vote and explanation of wanting to see if anyone would follow her is very scummy. There was a whole lot more to work with than just a lurker.and it did get vollkan posting.Adel wrote:to see what your response time was, and if anyone else would follow my vote.vollkan wrote:
Mind explaining the basis upon which you asserted that I was "posting so much elsewhere"?
glad to see that you are active again.
who do you think is scum?
this is how I check for lurkers:vollkan wrote:Okay, a few points in reply:Adel wrote: vote:vollkan for posting so much elsewhere on the site, just not in this thread.
1) As I said, I've had exams. I haven't been posting as much as usual anywhere, and I am only in two games atm.
2) Posted by Korts on Tuesday July 7:3) So, if we go to my profile and have a look at my posting since finding the PM:Korts wrote: SensFan has been prodded;vollkan hasn't picked up his role and alignment yet. If he doesn't pick it up until tomorrow, he will be replaced. CKD's V/LA is noted.
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Mind explaining the basis upon which you asserted that I was "posting so much elsewhere"?
which brings up the same information volkan cited.Adel wrote:unvote, vote:Goatrevolt
look at his last three posts in this game, and http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... Goatrevolt to see why
voting for Ren at the moment of Serapham's death: Seraphim, Budja, Yosarian2, Adel, vollkan, SensFan, Ren HoekTDC in 495 wrote: I can't see scum taking what amounts to a 50/50 chance of killing one of their own, so unless GR is scum, scot is probably town.
Also, since they knew he would be busdriven with an accountant but did it anyway, it must've seemed unlikely for them to be busdriven (again, assuming GR to be town).
So either all accountants are town, or someone felt pretty good about not being selected. Not sure about the others, but I think the risk was significant for Ren there.