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Sigh. Battle Mage, please stop distracting the town from lynching the ACTUAL scum. This is the primary problem with your playstyle. Trying to be unreadable is all fine and good, but acting like bad scum in every game gets tiresome, and is about the most unhelpful thing a townie can be.
Now, can we please cut the crap and lynch Albert? He's clearly the best lynch, unless we want to start metagaming BM by lynching him every day one... which is actually kind of appealing, now that I think of it...
And that's exactly the sort of distraction I'm talking about.
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Whinging about never getting a certain power role is typically a sign that you have a power role, usually anti-town.Battle Mage wrote:lol before i die, can somebody explain the scumtell i have committed?
apart from pointing out the logical fallacy of YB, i havent actually said anything. lol
man, id hate to be the remaining protown players, when this happy wagon turns sour
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I answered the only question I saw from you already. Which one do you want answered.Battle Mage wrote:aww why do you hate me TCS?
is it coz i can read you like a book?
note, i do find Guardians departure from the hot wagon a bit scummy. enough to keep my vote on, until TCS responds to my question at least.
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But see, when you pull out arguments like, "I act scummy when I'm town," you're implying that you're town in this game. I just can't stomach that play, even if it's you. Either you're going to have to learn to not make that terrible argument, or I'm going to keep voting for you. It's that simple."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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This is a funny thing to say, but I get nervous when someone claims to get a pro-town read on me. So few people do, it's almost like they have knowledge of my alignment.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yes, true, but I disagree with the BM wagon, and obviously my own wagon.
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Whether or not it would be a good metagame play to lynch Battle Mage Day 1 in every game regardless of his alignment or role.YogurtBandit wrote:
Just being curious, What was the issue you brought up?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'd hesitate to consider out of thread things indicative of my towniness. I'm in an awful lot of games right now, probably half of them involve the issue I brought up."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Thing is, people don't usually go out of their way to say I'm town. I'm a pretty consistent suspect in these games. For one, it's nice that someone believes me. However, that 'sucking up,' in a sense, combined with some of his other play, merits notice.Glork wrote:
*raises eyebrow*The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Albert, I know you're "on my side," but I'm not feeling comfortable with you at all at the moment."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Claiming townie is a bad idea whether you're scum or town.MrBuddyLee wrote:TCS's vote is on Albert.
If you think Albert is scum, then you don't tell him "u shuldnt claim vanilla", you tell him "BS". If you know Albert is town (because you're scum), you feel comfortable chiding him for being a townie who just made a bad play."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Claiming townie is a bad idea whether you're scum or town.MrBuddyLee wrote:TCS's vote is on Albert.
If you think Albert is scum, then you don't tell him "u shuldnt claim vanilla", you tell him "BS". If you know Albert is town (because you're scum), you feel comfortable chiding him for being a townie who just made a bad play."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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See post 346.YogurtBandit wrote:
If you think it deserves more votes, Why didnt you vote for it?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.
Also, Glork, I think at first the Albert Wagon was significant, but then, the way he reacted to himself being bandwagoned gave him more votes. Because if it was completlty baseless, Albert would probably not have as much votes as before."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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And yet he has so neatly justified what was little more than a vote based on gut feeling and uneasiness about a couple of saying-everything-but-saying-nothing posts. Sometimes not stating your reasons gives people the opportunity to dig a little bit deeper into the OMGUS.YogurtBandit wrote:
[sarcasm]Loving the sudden jump on Guardian for no reason [/sarcasm]The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'm calling Guardian as SK. Anyone else feeling this?"You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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I thought it would get a good reaction from the players in this game, because I was having trouble reading them. I got what I wanted. I'm in complete agreement with Jack--I'm comfortable with either a Yogurt, Albert, or Guardian lynch today. I still have bad feelings about Albert from earlier, plus his most recent blunder. I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.Glork wrote:I still find Guardian to be reasonably scummy, and TCS is annoying me beacuse he's spamming and deliberately behaving stupidly, when he complained about BM's behavior earlier.
TCS, in all seriousness, I'd like you to explain in extensive detail why you have chosen to behave this way. Failure to explain yourself or an insufficient/spammy explanation will result in deeper interrogation. I don't know why you've decided to do this, but you're certainly not proving any point; nor are you accomplishing anything other than pissing other people off. Stop it.
And perhaps reacting as you did is. I didn't realize you were so touchy, Glork. Are you just angry at me for my recent posting on this site in general? If so, don't let it affect your gameplay. If you're town, doubly so, because irrational outbursts of anger aren't for the good of the town. Everyone needs you at your best.
Entertaining the possibility that you are scum, your attitude makes me think that you're overreaching on handing out false town tells. For example, under different circumstances I might think that your emotional protests about my gameplay would equal vanilla townie or investigative power role trying to direct the tone of debate. But as you put it, it comes off looking a little suspicious.IGMEOY.And it's just a game... if I can get over BM acting deliberately scummy in every game, you can get over me doing it in one."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Hold your horses. Let's get academic. Is it automatically scummy toYogurtBandit wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.WHAT?Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, butI CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said theExactsame thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.
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Wow, and both times their posts got more frequent and substantive. It's almost like threatening someone with a lynch gives us more information or something.YogurtBandit wrote:
No, but you've encouraged pepole multiple times to put more votes on "X's" Bandwagon, Which I find is looking for a quick and easy lynch, so you can get back to night and kill off whomever you please.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Hold your horses. Let's get academic. Is it automatically scummy toYogurtBandit wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.WHAT?Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, butI CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said theExactsame thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.
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@#$%!
Why does everyone keep up with this mantra of me acting 'deliberately scummy'? What kind of fucked-up groupthink is this? Earlier in the game, I voted Guardian and refused to give a reason for itthis alone is not scummy, and whoever says so is lying to you. Anything else you find scummy, you shouldvoteme for, because I wasn't doing it on purpose."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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And on a more productive note, I'd find Glork's slip-up more scummy if I hadn't nearly done it myself several times. Also, I agree with his analysis to the extent that I simply don't think he's scum.
I'll try to be more substantive with my posts, but having to actually do work at work will be hampering my ability to do so."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Yes, I am backtracking.Guardian wrote:
=o. TCS, I don't agree with lynch all liars. But backtracking is scummy :[ ]. Also, your thoughts on BM please?HackerHuck wrote:
When you say something like this, do you really need to ask?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:@#$%!
Why does everyone keep up with this mantra of me acting 'deliberately scummy'? What kind of fucked-up groupthink is this? Earlier in the game, I voted Guardian and refused to give a reason for itthis alone is not scummy, and whoever says so is lying to you. Anything else you find scummy, you shouldvoteme for, because I wasn't doing it on purpose.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.
HH, YB is my buddy. Sorry? He could be scum. I hope he's town. I think he's town. ;\.
I could move my vote onto Schteven, I did a quick re-read of his posts and at this point he could definitely be lurker scum... To be honest my scumdar needs some upgrades though :\.
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YogurtBandit wrote:Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.FOS: YogurtBandit
By all means, stick to your guns. I don't see why you would need to look for anyone else if you've confirm voted me six times already. Clearly I should look to you like the most obvious lynch. The only reason you would need to do so is if you were just hunting for another wagon to hop onto."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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To the contrary, honest mistakes about the game setup are a town tell. Fake ones may be a scum tactic.HackerHuck wrote:
Why are you trying to confirm MBL from those statements. Even if you were right, that has no indication of his alignment. This is even fishier than Autumn's assertion that BM must be town.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Does this mean that MBL is confirmed town or do you think he did that intentionally?"You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Call it a hunch, butvote: Glork. If one of Yogurt/Guardian were to be scum with him, I would probably have to go with Guardian.
I'm extremely uneasy when a player of Glork's reputation makes a comment to the effect of "I could lynch X or Y" without much accompanying analysis or opinion. In fact, the last time that Glork did so in a game I was in, he was scum, and one of the two players he mentioned was scum with him. That Glork mentioned he could go for a Shteven or Guardian lynch makes me think that should Glork come up mafia, Shteven is town and Guardian is scum.
Any vote I would make on Guardian would be predicated in a large part on the results of Glork's alignment. Other than that, he and Yogurt are equally appealing lynches, and I cannot vote for either without more to read."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
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Figured you'd say as much. I attempt to play every game to survive to endgame, because it's my experience that games in which I survive, my side wins. Games I die, my side loses. So maybe I interpreted your play as survivor as more akin to pro-town Glork than I should have.Glork wrote:
1) Ah, I remember now. But the situation in that game was fundamentally different than what we have here.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.
--a) It was a Newbie game. I could get a way with a lot more, since newbie players wouldn't be able to see the "he's presenting two players as approximately equal but ultimately shows a preference for a probable mislynch" tell. This game has several experienced (and talented) players. I would not be able to get away with the same maneuver here.
--b) That game was in LyLo. This game is in Day One. Once I "showed a preference for" that mislynch, the game was over. Nobody could come back on a later day and say that I was trying to distance from my scumbuddy. Were I in fact scum with one of the two players you mentioned, I would probably be called on it sooner or later.
2) You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all meansnothingif you are killed. Lights Out 1 had a "you must survive to actually win" mechanic for all players, and I freely and readily admitted that I was playing a strategy which I felt would help me survive to the late-game stages. You've tried to pre-empt a possible defense by saying that I've played a different strategy as a Survivor, but you seem to have missed the fact thatplaying a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.
That being said, your defense is reasoned enough to merit anunvote. Yet, have no doubt that should Guardian come up scum at any point, I will be considering the possibility that you simply slipped up. Even the best players screw up sometimes. IGMEOY."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.
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I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.YogurtBandit wrote:
Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.
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@InHim: Imagine for a second that I'm pablito. Would you consider my play scummy? Have you ever played a game with me? Why are you automatically considering my play scummy?
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