Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH
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Why would you make two votes in one post, though?-
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Oops, there was a page 2! Post was addressed to Truant.-
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I really don't understand voting for two people in the same post.-
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Well, I think it COULD be indicative of alignment, but in this case, it probably isn't.
Why would you want to vote four players, though?-
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If it's a scum tell, why are you not suspicious of him?
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How? We have three pages... What "doesn't add up?" You see a scum tell in the first couple of pages, you generally jump on it and apply pressure.
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For assuming two scum. How do you know -- do you only have one scumbuddy?-
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Just a warning that I might go on V/LA this weekend. Not yet, but this weekend.
I think I will, but I will try to post. I just can't be relied upon.
It's my 21st birthday tomorrow. Haha.-
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Code? Are you kidding me?
Don't you see the cake next to my name?
I'm going v/la essentially but will try to post a bit. Don't you want to be notified of that?
Birthday sex > mafia games.
Find the code in that.-
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Wow, I sure must be scum in every single game I'm in, with the exact same code! Amazing.-
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Yeah there's something going on there.
At least I think so.-
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Meransial, why answer a question directed at me?
Implosion, I find that people who make lots of votes and FoS (especially in the same post) tend to be scum trying to lay suspicion trails so they can hop on opportunistic wagons and say "Oh, but I FoSed him day 2! I always thought he was suspicious."
It depends on the situation and in that case I don't think it applies but it warranted a question to verify.-
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I think it's called Arishem tell, when you apologize for your predecessor.
Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly not liking MrBuddyLee. Willing to vote for him but want to see where he is so far when we get a votecount.-
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I think Merensial is being serious.
Have we heard from ender's replacements atall?
I wanted to do a player rn down but I won't until we finally have everyone on board.-
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Who replaced ender? Can you put it in the OP?-
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MrBuddyLee looking a little better to me.
mozamis and meransiel looking more linked by the post.-
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Mozamis had the popular wagon, but the popular theory was that we were scum together. In any case, not only Truant was suspicious of me, not even at that point. Also:scotmany12 wrote:
First, when I voted for you, there was only one other person (truant) who was voting for you. Mozamis had the popular wagon. Not you. Second, please show where most of my posts are me either agreeing or disagreeing with somebody else's argument? A quick iso of me shows that this is in fact not the case. I fully disagree with the statement that I am not contributing with anything.Meransiel wrote:I really feel that scotsmany plays it safe, even too safe. He jumped on my wagon when it was extremely popular, and most of his posts are him either agreeing or disagreeing with somebody else's argument. In short, he's not contributing with anything, and making it appear as if he is. Or anyway, that's the impression he gave me.
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Why mention it then if you don't suspect it?Meransiel wrote:Petro, you change your vote way too often. I'm not suspecting you or anything, it's just a risky thing to do.
You don't post too much, not to quote.scotmany12 wrote:That WIFOM in Meransiel's last post only makes me more confident in my vote.
Preview Edit: Mozamis's vote on pj sucks, and is basically OMGUS.
Also, you're tunneling on me. Badly. And your attempts to touch on the suspicion of other players seems intentionally weak. You don'twinthe game by lynching me, you know. Well, not by just that, anyway.[/quote]
Did Merensial just admit scum?
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Fixed it as much as I can work out <.< - modLast edited by Shanba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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Shoot, mod, can you fix the quote tags and the vote tag? Wow.-
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I know what you were doing, but it seemed to me like a slip : it says, "I know his alignment 100%"
You're saying you know he's scum, but that level of confidence doesn't make sense at this juncture of the game.
And maybe he DOES win the game by lynching you. How would you know?-
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Why would a lynchee be announced? That makes no sense.
Way to dodge the point.
Also your insults have been noted. Scum tactics 101.-
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Why am I not surprised by that meta on mozamis?
p-edit: Why are you voting for pj? "His status?"-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:
Because if you think he is a town vigilante, but you are still voting for him, then you are scum.
Mostly because of this.
He asked Tuncali questions and then told him how to answer to avoid suspicion.-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:Oatmeal chocolate chip, please.
mozamis, if you have a problem with authority, please don't take it out on us. Go shoplift a Coke and Cheetos from a 7-11, then come back and give us some answers.
Did you mean this post?
I took it as a joke, and I didn't think your pressure on mozamis lined up with coaching.
It isn't the same with Tuncali.-
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That was coaching, but it's more like ... general advice. It all boils down to this: scumhunt. That's advice for anyone you'd get anywhere on this forum.
The other advice was so specific, so extremely specific, that it stuck out to me.
But now that you've pointed it out yourself, which I'm not sure why you'd do, also coaching super-scummy mozamis doesn't help me get a townread on you.
I actually have an insubstantial read on Tuncali at this point. Newbtown, so far, but how do you read someone so very green? I need to start seeing some actual content from him soon or he will begin to move into the "active lurking" category, though.-
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It was just the last sentence I had a problem with. It would have seemed less "WTF just happened" if you hadn't TOLD HIM THE CORRECT ANSWER, and instead had asked questions to provoke thought.
If we're picking who he should vig, I say mozamis.-
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At this point in the game I have no problem with it. I'd rather he kill Merensial or mozamis, but promoting activity is also good.-
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Honestly, I think Truant's recent post has a point, but not so much some of his earlier posts on the matter.
How can he say he didn't read and then FOS someone in the same post...? That's more of what bothered me then the rest. Also, thanking the mod publicly for "not making him scum" rubbed me the wrong way. Plus his coaching.
That's what bothers me about MBL.-
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Merensial, if no one says anything about him, it's the LEAST informative flip. That's not pro-town.-
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I misread, then. I thought you said you hadn't had time to read and then FOS'ed without reading.MrBuddyLee wrote:
Posting on a phone from a ski trip, so please forgive any sloppiness. Your portrayal of my post history here is inaccurate, amrun. First post, close to right away after replacing in, didn't have the time for a full threadskim, cracked a joke. Second post, explained circumstances of first post, said now i've had time to fullskim, saw mozamis's fos, fosed him back.Amrun wrote:Honestly, I think Truant's recent post has a point, but not so much some of his earlier posts on the matter.
How can he say he didn't read and then FOS someone in the same post...? That's more of what bothered me then the rest. Also, thanking the mod publicly for "not making him scum" rubbed me the wrong way. Plus his coaching.
That's what bothers me about MBL.
Still don't have many specifics on why i'm "dodgy" or what's wrong/misleading about my analyses thus far. Starting to feel like lazy scum are settling for this crappy case that's better than having to invent a new case on someone.
Has ogml picked up a prod? Can ogml and blenblen be replaced if they're not active real soon? Their slots have unfairly coasted through d1.
My apologies.
I'm not going to lie; I've been pretty distracted in this game. It's my anniversary weekend. I'm not really V/LA because I still read and try to post, but my boyfriend gets antsy if I spend too much time. He's sleeping right now. Two big weekends right in a row for me.-
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Yes, I'd like to hear the answer to that as well.-
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A dayvig that screws with vote mechanics? Sound pretty hax if it's true.
Sorry for inactivity. Anniversary.-
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Welcome to the replacements.
More suspicious of BlenBlen in particular because he dropped out after taking some heat. Is iffy, though.-
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But what made you have that read and then change it? What a copout.-
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PJ, what about blenblen replacing out? I found that far more scummy.-
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Pj: Yes, but didn't you say just now that OGML's flaking was likely not scummy? I was asking if BlenBlen's replacement was still scummy to you and if so, why. I assumed you dug deeper into them both?-
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@moz: this game started at a terrible time for me, so I haven't been able to designate enough time to this game, but still, I have given more reads than you. Just because I can also do better (and plan to, starting in the next couple of days) doesn't mean you get off the hook for completely abandoning your read when pressed about it.
@PJ: okay. Sorry I didn't have time to do the research myself. I was just curious. So the replacements for those seem to be null tells.
P-edit: That's better, moz, but too little too late. Why was that so hard? And I don't remember scot doing that at all, tbh.-
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^^ But he said some attacks were good and some were bad and some were okay.
Also, bad attacks does not always mean target is town. Some people are just bad at building cases.-
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So, what is the point of saying that? Do you think he is saying Merensial is scum, mozamis?-
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MBL, what was your intent? What is your read on Merensial?-
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I meant in a very concise format instead of a wall. Walls have their place, but they also promote obfuscation. I want a one or two word read on him from you, MBL.
I have confessed several times to being unfortunately distracted in this game because of real life. I do intend to re-read everything and do that full run down within the next day or two as things are finally calming down a bit for me.-
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THAT'S THREE WORDS. YOU LOSE.MrBuddyLee wrote:Lazy birthday girl.
I'm not lazy; I'm normally very active and such, and I haven't dropped into prod territory or anything like that, but my boyfriend finds it very rude when I troll the net/my phone for hours and don't pay full attention to him. Since I don't get to see him that much, I set mafia games somewhat to the side during those occasions (especially special occasions like our anniversary, which was this weekend).
I SHOULD have paid attention to when this game would be starting: right before back to back busy weekends. But I'm a bit silly and I saw this game and went FROGGIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YAYYYY and signed up immediately.
My apologies. My lack of attention to this game has been weighing on my conscience, which is why I'm bothering to explain. I will do better as soon as physically possible. Probably tomorrow I will get some sort of massive post up.-
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I didn't say I was going to make it two words. I was asking YOU for two words for a reason.
But now that you mention it, it sounds fun. >:3-
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I can see how that might be perceived, but my presence in this game has simply not been up to par with my usual presence in games and it annoys me according to my own personal standards.
I tend to be pretty honest and not really care how such and such looks. If I feel compelled to apologize, I'm going to.
And if I make a mistake, which I think I did make one that I can recall, why WOULDN'T I apologize? That's just RUDE, not to apologize to the player that is affected by the mistake. I recall apologizing to MBL once for this reason. That's a blanket policy I employ.
I have been far from the least contributive player, though. Far from it. You should think about that.
There is another reason I did this that I won't share just yet.-
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Here is a blanket post where I address everyone in the order that they are on the list in the OP:
Scotmany12: Town, so far. In general, I like his posts and I don't understand the attacks on him at all. However, recently he has started to fall off the activity wagon. Not enough to be a strike against him yet, but he could move into active lurker status if nothing improves.
kunkstar7: Town, so far. I think all of the points (even the ones raised against me) he has raised are thus far logical and from a town point of view. Perhaps could use a little more activity.
Merensial: Scum, so far. She says, "Scum tend to change votes a lot" then proceeds to do just that. I don't think any one of her votes have made any sort of real sense. Her supposed scumread on scotmany is just ... There are no words. Her MBL vote is okay, I suppose, and definitely the best of the lot. Her moz vote "plan" is terrible and achieves nothing; she has been trying to cast aspersion onto pj since he claimed and it doesn't sit well with me. None of the attacks on pj make sense and just the way it is done strikes me as off. Also, when she unvoted moz, she said, "Glad you're doing better now." WHAT?!
OhGodMyLife/Apokalypta: Null. OGML's ISO 3 is good to me, but then ISO 4 is terrible and nothing improves from then on out. This slot needs to post more for me to get a proper read. Apok seems town so far, especially in ISO 2, where I didn't even realize he reflects my own read of Merensial somewhat. OGML's slight scumminess balances this out to make it a tentative null pending more content.
pj: Town. He's claimed dayvig and I'm inclined to believe the claim and that it's probably town, since the former can be proven and will inform the latter. His dayvig choices should tell us his alignment, later on, but his posts overall suggest he is town.
MBL: Null leaning town. Some parts of his posts, I like very much, like the beginning of ISO 25 about OGML. Others I think are pure obfuscation, like all the talk of defenses. Producing walls does not make you pro-town. It's what's in them that counts. For now, I think he's town, but a lot of what he says doesn't actually have that much substance, to me, and that worries me.
Tuncali: Null. I really don't know what to make of him. He has several scumtells, but he's so painfully new that I don't know what to think. However, I keep picking up on associative tells between him and MBL, so if one flips mafia, that will really affect my reads.
BlenBlen/DarkStrike: Town, so far, because of DarkStrike. His "wall-o-words" seemed to come from a townie motivation, to me, not by merit of being a wall of words, but from what he said. Also, to answer his most recent post to me: I dislike playing my hand so publicly like that, but I felt the need to address kunkstar and thought that needed to be added so it would be clear I wasn't contradicting myself later.
implosion - Null leaning town, so far. Most of his posts, especially the ones on Merensials' logic, seem town, but he needs to post more for me to get a full read on him.
Truant/CogitoEroSum - Null, leaning scum. I had a weak townread on Truant, though I didn't agree with some of his logic. CES' posts just rubs me the wrong way. His first post in the game is a totally unexplained vote. :/ He needs to post more before I get a full read, though.
mozamis: Scum. I think she's townbuddying hard with pj and POSSIBLY Merensiel but possibly scumbuddying there. The worst thing for me, thoguh, is her abandoning of her read on scotmany. When called out for it, she attacked me for not contributing instead, even though I do contribute. It's true I can do better (and will), but other players' lackings have nothing to do with hers and it's a very poor deflection tactic.
ender/nopointinactingup: Null, leaning scum. Slot content not much to speak of, but I don't like the mudslinging I see, replacing MBL's name for "MrScummyLee" in quotes and things like that.
There are my full set of reads. In general, from now on, I will put more effort into this game in an attempt to engage with it fully like I haven't been able to up until now.-
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I am not even voting for you.
My suspicions of you rest mostly on buddying, but also your lack of reads and commitment to them.
These are just initial reads. Flips will inform them.-
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Also, I just realized that several people I called female are not. Woops.-
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Yeah, now that it's been addressed, I probably won't get anything good out of my ploy, but I want to wait on one or two more things, then I'll share.
Unfortunately, by talking about it, I mostly ruined it, but such is life sometimes.
p-edit: But I'm not VOTING for you, mozamis. I do find you suspicious. I'd rather see a Merensial flip at this time. You would be second choice, though.
Your play IS improving, though, and it is making me think harder. Idk.-
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Well, realistically, there is not just one scum. So maybe look harder?-
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And let's say MBL is lynched and he flips scum. What then?
If you tunnel that hard, you're left in the same bad position no matter the flip; you won't know where to go next, presuming you're town.
That's why I'm not sure it IS town, because scum would know what MBL would flip and after achieving a mislynch, they'd just go "woops" and no one else would know what to do with them, either. It's a way for scum to avoid giving other reads, imho.
That's another reason my read on MBL is confused atm. I also find him somewhat scummy, but it's highly unlikely he is on the same scumteam as you.
So if he flipped scum, I'd have a pretty solid townread on you, for example. The opposite isn't quite as true, though. You COULD both be town ... but then my reads would be really off and I'd be mostly back to the drawing board.-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:I just accused nopoint of improperly tying "M&M" together, you dimwit.
Just when I decide to like your case on nopoint, you resort to insulting people.
You could JUST be insulting people, but the more I see you post, the more I think your word choices are careful. Mudslinging against moz, no matter how wrong he was, does not look good to me.-
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He did drum up SOME sort of evidence ... eventually.
I agree that he needs to play a couple of more newbie games, since he seems to be trying to treat this game as one, but that's not a call for things like "dimwit."-
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MBL, you think CES is scummier than no point? Since when? Did you post a case on him that I'm forgetting.
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Whoa, cool ability, pj. So is mozamis dead or not?
MBL, will get back to you on CES issue when I can get to computer.
Game must be re-read in light of mozamis' conf. Status.-
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LOL, does being a jerk generally work well for you in mafia games?MrBuddyLee wrote:
LOL, does playing "blonde" generally work well for you in mafia games?Amrun wrote:So is mozamis dead or not?
It was a serious question. Sometimes, poison means the character lives for x amount of time before dying. Sometimes, it doesn't.-
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Okay, reading back, MBL expressed suspicion of Truant several times, but always in a lost of other people he found suspicious.
This is his most substantial case on Truant;
I don't think he mentions CES at all until the post I commented on previously, where he agrees with what CES has said about him but also calls him more scummy than nopoint.I said Truant is possible scum because he was VERY sure Meransiel was scum, but then switched his vote to me for what you once again call a bad reason, and expressed "100% confidence" in that bad reason. If Meransiel comes up scum, this is damning, because it means the Truant player slot used selective application of a scumtell to move his vote from Meransiel to lock it in "100%" on a townie. This is a reasonable connection to draw, once again for future reference.
Compare that to his gargantuan breakdown of nopoint's post(s).
p-edit: Mozamis is listed in the OP under "swimming with the fishies," so I guess poison is just flavor for the vig role's kills.
The "CES is more scummy" thing stood out to me because it came out of the blue, relatively speaking. MBL has been tunneling on mozamis and nopoint with a couple of scattered mentions of Truant.
Meanwhile, CES has been buddying to MBL (imho) and definitely answering questions directed to MBL about MBL's intents in posts and things like that, which had already caught my eye.
I see a definite connection between the two. I think MBL was putting his scumbuddy Truant into his scumreads but not seriously pursuing it so as not to give others ideas, and then was going to slowly turn this around to a town read - which he started to do in the post where he calls CES scummy BUT he liked what CES was saying.
If one of these two flip scum, I'm going after the other one for sure.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that MBL's "case" on Truant is conditional upon Merensial flipping scum -- which, if MBL and Truant/CES are scumbuddies, they know will not happen.-
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Oh, wow, I accidentally inserted my p-edit in the middle.Mod, can you move that to the bottom of the post for readability?