Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[Apokalyptika]

Town doublevoter, sorry.

[Meransiel]

Cool, we have ourselves a doublevoter!

[Amrun]

Uh, why are you so quick to believe him...?

I assumed CES was a tracker, which would mean he tracked Apok last night, which would mean Apok is lying.

However, that could be an incorrect assumption. I've been waiting around for CES to clear it up.

[Meransiel]

Or maybe apok didn't do anything, and that was the thing. We'll soon find out.

[Apokalyptika]

Observe:

Vote: Meransiel

Vote: scotmany

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That was just a bluff, sorry MBL.

Amrun, why do you think I'm a tracker?

[Amrun]

Because you asked for a claim before voting kunkstar. It's not the only explanation. That's just what I sort of thought.

[scotmany12]

Why has this been the first time you used your double vote?

[MrBuddyLee]

FOS: Meransiel

[MrBuddyLee]

Apok, why did you claim your role?

[Amrun]

I double that FoS on Merensial. He believed Apok's claim way too easily, like he already knew Apok was town.

Awaiting a vote count to confirm Apok's ability.

[implosion]

CES, why bluff? What were you expecting Apok to say if she's scum, and how could anything actually really implicate her if you're bluffing? Doesn't bluffing just needlessly out roles if Apok is town with little or no benefit if Apok is scum?

[Meransiel]

I double that FoS on Merensial. He believed Apok's claim way too easily, like he already knew Apok was town.

Awaiting a vote count to confirm Apok's ability.

If you say so.

@CES: Why were you so sure of kunkstar scum?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES, why bluff? What were you expecting Apok to say if she's scum, and how could anything actually really implicate her if you're bluffing? Doesn't bluffing just needlessly out roles if Apok is town with little or no benefit if Apok is scum?

It wasn't just Apok's reaction I was after. If Apok had been the scum who committed the nightkill, she could've claimed to have targetted PJ or, thinking she was caught, give away her alignment some other way. Outing a protective role would've been painful, but I felt it was worth the risk.

I'm just going to state at this point that I'm a tracker who tracked kunkstar7 N1 since I'm fairly sure I want to share my N2 result before the end of this day anyway.

Vote: MrBuddyLee

[Amrun]

VOTE: mrbuddylee

[Apokalyptika]

I haven't used my double vote yet because I haven't wanted to unnecessarily out myself.

Unvote: Meran, Vote: MBL

I'll go along with this for a bit; do you want to elaborate or not?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

MBL feels off.

[MrBuddyLee]

Not much I can do to change your mind without WIFOMming, CES. And since you're 99.9% town, I don't really need to ask you any questions about why. But considering I'm at about L-1, you might want to clarify to town that you didn't track me to PJ.

Weird game. If there's a traitor like in Frogs 1, then we're shy on D1 connections. kunkstar going after OGML makes OGML look a tad more townish in retrospect. Tempered by the fact that kunk didn't off move his random vote to OGML, who he claims just did something really scummy. Followed later by:

OGML's slot fell out of top for me due to the mozamis slot, which OGML's read depended on mozamis's alignment.

Why did mozamis flipping town make you think OGML/Apok was more likely town?

The comment OGML made that made him look scummy was even more so scummy if moz flipped scum because not only was he trying to focus attention at mzoamis, it would put him in a pretty good bussing connection if mozamis had flipped scum. But mozamis did not, so the connection is obviously null, making the read less.

Not good logic at all for clearing OGML, and the second example of mild protection. Also, THIS bothers me:

If mozamis flips scum I will have a solid scumread in OGML (or whoever replaced him) based off of his earlier connections to mozamis.

because kunk KNOWS mozamis won't flip scum.


However, he DID try to get Apok lynched near deadline:

5: iamausername

(Cogito Ergo Sum, implosion, scotmany12, Meransiel, Apokalyptica)

3: Apokalyptica

(MrBuddyLee, iamausername, Amrun)
1: MrBuddyLee (petroleumjelly)
1: Amrun (kunkstar7)
Not Voting: Apokalyptica, Bella, Darkstrike_11

My vote isn't doing much where its at, although I would prefer to see a lynch there.

Vote: Apok

. A fine second option, and a lynch I prefer to iamausername.

Really ballsy play by kunk if Apok is his scumpartner. Made it 5-4 with PJ, Bella, Blen as nonvoters. It's possible Apok's a traitor and kunk didn't know it at the time, but meh. I really thought OGML was scum, but Apok claiming double voter is probably slightly townish. Scum would have every reason to hide that.

I think looking at interactions with kunk are probably the way to go today, unless you feel he was a master of subtlety.

[implosion]

I think looking at interactions with kunk are probably the way to go today, unless you feel he was a master of subtlety.

Since we have flipped scum, some looking at interactions is obviously good, but I don't think we should rely solely on them. Especially considering that, as you brought up, Frogs 1 had a traitor in it.

@CES, could you elaborate on what of MBL seems off? I kind of understand what you're saying, but he still reads town overall to me.

Of the people left:

I need to take closer looks at Bella, scotmany and Amrun. Tuncali looked like town to me, but it might have just been a playstyle thing, and scotmany and Amrun have both been kind of null to me. Meransiel is

probably

town. CES is almost definitely town.

@Apok: do your votes have to be on separate people?

[Apokalyptika]

No, I can vote twice for the same person if I want.

Also, my scotmany vote is not arbitrary. Yesterday, he popped in to say he had no problem with kunk claiming, but never voted him. Scumalicious.

[Amrun]

No, I can vote twice for the same person if I want.

Also, my scotmany vote is not arbitrary. Yesterday, he popped in to say he had no problem with kunk claiming, but never voted him. Scumalicious.

This is actually a really good point.

[scotmany12]

Also, my scotmany vote is not arbitrary. Yesterday, he popped in to say he had no problem with kunk claiming, but never voted him. Scumalicious.

You'd have a case if kunkster wasn't hammered about 13 hours after I first posted that. It was Easter Sunday. I was with my family and then traveling back to school. So yeah. I hadn't checked the thread again until after the hammer. Would you have rather me vote before he claimed?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Lack of scum motive anyway.

That said, my current guess for the scum team is scotmany12 + MBL by process of elimination.

[MrBuddyLee]

You're eliminating someone you shouldn't be.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Who?