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No, see above for the voting conditions. (As it is possible to lynch someone on the jury)populartajo wrote:
Hi all. This is a good post but it would be pretty hard for scum N1 to defend his partner, if he's heavily suspected, without bringing suspicions to his ass.Gorrad wrote:This is gonna be one crazy game mechanic. If we have two scum in the jury at any one time, we cannot get a scumlynch unless the defendant is scum. I'm hoping that somewhere in the juror selection is a way to avoid that, but if not this is gonna be hell for town.
What happens with the other guys that arent jurys? They are like useless townies?
And this game mechanic is going to be crazy regardless of whether or not there is scum on the jury, because while this game still calls for a majority lynch, the majority is preselected. Trying to convince 7 people of anything is hard enough when its any 7 of 12.-
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Actually Natirasha, you do. It just doesn't count much.populartajo wrote:
That explains it.Natirasha wrote:
I don't have a vote to vote myself with.populartajo wrote:
Wow, Natrasha's first post isnt antitown.Natirasha wrote:I'm confused at Joubert's vote.
Ok, we have to get this thing moving.
Could you all answer these questions? (Conversation FTW)
1. What do you think of this setup?
2. Is this game tough for town?
3. Is Mirth town or scum? Yes, no, I dont know?
as to the questions.
1. It's weird
2. Maybe. Depends on how the defendant is picked.
3. I don't know, its page frakking one, a bit too early to be having that discussion, dontya think? Maybe I'll have some semblance of an idea on page 5...oh wait, I'm talking about myself...in that case, I'm not telling, so at you!-
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This statement seems forced.Matt_S wrote: 3. Attacking someone for sympathizing with the default lynch is unhelpful, but I'm reserving judgment.
a) note my actual comment about sympathizing. (You call that an attack? Seriously?)
b) we dont know how the default lynch is determined and cannot be 100% that she will be the lynch because the jury may choose to lynch someone else
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...~FACEPALM~ *WHY* did you just go and do that? WHY??? If I was at a desk, I'd be hitting my head against it right now.Natirasha wrote:I never once claimed townie in my post. In fact, I assure you, I am not a vanilla townie. In fact, I would be surprised if there were any in this game at all.
I was refering to this:
You claimed town. Subtle but there. (For the record, I use "townie" to mean "protown," which I do distinguish from "vanilla")Natirasha wrote: 2. I have a feeling we are the underdogs.
But still, argh. You just soft-claimed. WTF? As far as I'm concerned, softclaims are the frakking devil.-
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I don't have a read on anyone yet, don't know what gave you that impression. And won't for a while. And yes, I'm like this in the first few pages of a game. (And it continues beyond the first few pages if it needs to). I'll attack anything that so much as moves.populartajo wrote:
Look, Mirth. It just seems pretty wrong that you attack me for having a read of you too early when you've basically have a read on everyone that has posted in this game. Why cant someone have a read like you do? Is that your playstyle? Attacking everyone? Or is that you just "read" someone as more suspicious than the rest and go for it?Mirth wrote:And I don't. You're putting words in my mouth.
Gorrad: why do you think he's almost definitely town. A claim wasn't warranted there and a townie powerrole has really no reason to expose themselves on page 2 especially when there havent been any nightkills yet so we cant attempt to guestimate the setup of the game. How is softclaiming protown?-
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Yes. You're wrong. I don't think anything about him yet other than a)soft-claiming is bad BAD VERY BAD. and b)unwarranted softclaiming is worse. As to whether he's scum or town, I don't know. I just think he did something very stupid regardless of side.populartajo wrote:
It seems clearly to me that you think Natirasha is more scum than town. Am I wrong?Mirth wrote:
I don't have a read on anyone yet, don't know what gave you that impression. And won't for a while. And yes, I'm like this in the first few pages of a game. (And it continues beyond the first few pages if it needs to). I'll attack anything that so much as moves.populartajo wrote:
Look, Mirth. It just seems pretty wrong that you attack me for having a read of you too early when you've basically have a read on everyone that has posted in this game. Why cant someone have a read like you do? Is that your playstyle? Attacking everyone? Or is that you just "read" someone as more suspicious than the rest and go for it?Mirth wrote:And I don't. You're putting words in my mouth.
Also, the post above was aimed to Gorrad.
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Mirth: (0/6, 1/1) Joubert
SlySly: (0/6, 0/1)
theopor_COD: (1/6, 0/1) {Mirth}
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Meta. Which is what exactly?Gorrad wrote:Mirth: I've got a decent enough Meta on Natirasha to think he would softclaim early with no good reason.
Tajo: You claimed that Mirth acting confused was a towntell. THAT'S what drew my attention.
And, btw, I never acted confused. Something bothers me about CS's post, I'm sure of that, just not sure what. I'm thinking it's the statement of an obvious fact (that we should play like normal and we'll manage) that does it. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see an alternative to playing like normal since we don't know the mechanics of this set up.-
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I didn't say it was a town tell, Tajo did. And I said it was too early to think anything was a town tell.Gorrad wrote:Wait, explain that first sentence with less vagueness. You didn't what, he did what, and you told who too early to think what now?
I'm currently disliking his repeated attempts to find towniness in my actions actually. I'm sure that when Sly gets here he'll call scum meta on me for what I'm doing ^_^ (Hurry up and post, Sly, I miss you )
CS: don't know if its scummy or not. Just bothered me. And as you can obviously tell by now I'm fishing for anything that will get a reaction.
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for the record, it would be awesome if Transformers could tap dance. In reterospect that was obvious, yes, but in a game it might not be. And maybe he learned from that and would do it differently?
You know what would be great? If someone else felt like talking to us...since theres only 4 of us really taking part in conversation. And that makes me sad.-
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theopor_COD wrote:Vote babygirl86
Let's get this over with.confirm vote:theo
No. And I especially like it how you're not even bothering to join the conversation or anything or even explain why you want to get it over with.
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Bah. You've set yourself up for it. So maybe. Claims are evil. Do whatever majority decides, if other people feel like posting.Natirasha wrote:Seriously, Theo?
However, something is suspicious about that vote. Post Restriction perhaps? Until he answers, I will not be on this bandwagon.
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Why?populartajo wrote:Cream147 wrote:
You seem to be a fairly experienced player. Therefore, you surely know that time is money as far as town are concerned. The more discussion the better. Lynching the defendant right now would do nothing for the town! It would just mean we were in a Day 1 situation tomorrow!theopor_COD wrote:Vote babygirl86
Let's get this over with.
Vote: theopor_CODVote : Cream147woot woot-
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It does. I am also bothered by Natirasha not waiting for more people to comment on whether or not he should full claim.Cream147 wrote:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but this role seems completely useless.Natirasha wrote:MOD: Can you prod anyone who has not yet posted in-thread?
Anyways, onto my claim.
I am Maya Fey, town-aligned. Every night, I may "channel" a dead player. I will then see that player's role PM. I asked, and scum/mason partners will not be revealed.
If you didn't notice, my vote was already on Theo. For something not at all related to this game. It's staying there until I hear Theo talk some more. And I don't know if he wrote it because he's scum. Meta on him tells me that all meta should be ignored. He's just that good. I just want to see him talk and can't really blame Cream for being vote number 2 on a wagon. Why do you?populartajo wrote:I sincerely doubt theopor wrote that because he's scum. Its a nice gambit if he's scum but for now Im not happy with the reaction of our good friend Cream. You vote for him and then he joins. Easy targets attract scum.-
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Only if he isn't lying/his role isn't just an excuse for the Mod to give a vanilla a name and supposed abilities. We won't know this until someone is lynched.ChiefSkye4 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong (or stating the obvious), but I'm guessing this means that we won't find their roles out when they die? If we do find out the roles, then it's useless, no?Nat wrote:Anyways, onto my claim.
I am Maya Fey, town-aligned. Every night, I may "channel" a dead player. I will then see that player's role PM. I asked, and scum/mason partners will not be revealed.
See what I'm curious about is why he exposed himself so early.-
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Why do you feel the need to be convinced to place a vote? (For all intents and purposes your vote is invalid unless you can get 6 members of the jury to vote with you against the remaining jury member, so this is kind of a null point in the first place)babygirl86 wrote:I don't like the one line votes from several people here- especially when some(like the vote that was on me) had no basis. The role claim wouldn't surprise me if it were true- seems like a very legit role. But I do think we need to make some progress in this game and although I don't like the sudden vote on me by theo, I'm not convinced enough to place a vote yet.
Why not join in on our conversation and comment about any of the people who posted so far? Or the random nature of Nat's claim? Or his asking you to claim? Or pretty much anything that has happened?-
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I don't entirely buy this. You had other options on how to respond to me that did not involve claimingNatirasha wrote: I soft-claimed in response to a misunderstanding to Mirth. Then(As was pointed out) I am now a mafia target. As such, I full-claimed to get the mafia off my back. Without getting too far into WIFOM, my role cannot find them and actually might GIVE the mafia extra information under certain circumstances, so I don't think they'll attack me.
Or he could be mafia claiming a useless role to excuse the screw up he made in responding to me so that it doesnt look suspicious when he doesn't get nightkilled. Just a thought. Then again if his role is useful (that is if we have no reveal on death), mafia might just off him anyway, because they dont really need to know anything other than that they must kill everyone who isnt them.ChiefSkye4 wrote:
I think Nat's right. The claim wasn't that big of a 'OMG, NOW THEY GONNA KILL JOO AND WE NEED JOO' deal, because if Nat's telling the truth, then the role isn't that valuable to town, and assuming that there are more valuable roles, they won't kill him.Natirasha wrote:so I don't think they'll attack me.
He soft-claimed, meaning that he might be doc or cop, or anything, but then he full-claimed, turning out to be a rather useless role (possibly).
This is all, of course, only relevant if Nat's not a-lyin'.
Didn't say anything about Cream because there's nothing to say. It was obviously a pressure vote as there is no case on Theo right now.populartajo wrote: Ok you're free to disagree but why is Cream so sure about theopor? Any ideas? Why did he jump against him and not against other minor cases?
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Mirth I find extremely strange that you dont have to say anything about Cream.
Also Natirasha's case is so full of WIFOM that it hurts.
Is Theo that dumb?
What about any of the other stuff I asked you about, eh? Oh, btw,babygirl86 wrote:my bad- guess I forgot that my vote doesn't really count.... but on the other hand I also don't like how populartajo jumped on cream.... that doesn't really sit too well with me either. They both have explained themselves, but I'm more inclined to vote for theo
vote: theoper_COD
unvote:Theosince he's talking now
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Nah, but I would like to hear more commentary out of you.theopor_COD wrote:
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Why? Unless you were Supertownie there would not really be a point.Natirasha wrote:
I misread your statement. Although, I probably would have probably claimed by the end of the day anyways, so...Mirth wrote:I don't entirely buy this. You had other options on how to respond to me that did not involve claiming.-
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Glad you could finally join us. I missed you terriblySlySly wrote: 3. Mirth is the devil. She is acting her normal self. From my experience, that leans towards her being scummy.
Do you have any other comments on anything else that's happened in the last 5 pages? I'd really like to hear them.
Have I mentioned I missed you terribly?
And even if I am the devil, at least you know not to trust me this time. Especially when I'm so obviously and blatantly lying ^___^-
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You just caught me at an active time. I'm good but not usually that good. But wouldn't no nightkills be even more bastard moddery from the point of view of the scum?malthusis wrote:Wow, this game is heaven! I get a reply within 1 mintue
1.Just re-read that and saw that she hadn't been answering your questions.
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I don't think this is a Bastard Mod setup anways.I really don't think mafia has nightkills, this seems pretty unbalanced in a game that it is pretty hard to take out scum.
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Err...this does not seem like an honest mistake to me. How can you confuse our names. And I did give a reason for voting Babygirl. Why does my vote on her bother you so much?Natirasha wrote:Can we stop with all this setup discussion?
I find something strange about the Malthusis-Mirth conversation there. This nightkill discussion seems very...put on, to say the least. Out of the two, Mirth is more annoying, so I'm currently predisposed to vote her. I don't like her reasoning for voting babygirl(i.e. None), and the fact she is attacking everything that moves.Vote: Babygirl.-
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You're free not to like it. I don't like how he assumes that there will be no nightkills.Natirasha wrote:Mirth: I was talking about babygirl in that last sentence, and that's why I messed up there.
If you read, I also don't like your conversation with Malthusis there. And what is your reasoning for voting babygirl again?
I forgot to mention anFoS: Malthusis.
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You're so sure of this after a 4 post conversation? Really? Maybe you *are* psychic.Natirasha wrote:
Ok. Strike the "voting babygirl" reason, then. Still, that whole discussion seems put-on. In fact, I daresay, one of you is scum. I'll test you first.Mirth wrote:
You're free not to like it. I don't like how he assumes that there will be no nightkills.Natirasha wrote:Mirth: I was talking about babygirl in that last sentence, and that's why I messed up there.
If you read, I also don't like your conversation with Malthusis there. And what is your reasoning for voting babygirl again?
I forgot to mention anFoS: Malthusis.
I voted her because she's blatantly ignoring my questions.
Matt: actually we might not know based on what could interfere with a kill. And maybe this method of voting is handicapping the town because the town might be overpowered? Who knows. Bothers me that he brought it up though. (It seems to me that the defendant thing is just mod induced to ensure this game doesnt drag on to all eternity though)-
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I don't know if he has insider information. I accused him of it to try and get a rise out of him. It didn't work.Matt_S wrote:
True, I should have said tomorrow is the earliest we can have any idea. I'm more bothered with the fact that you suspected inside information, but that's just from my personal experience. I've had a mafia traitor and a serial killer accuse me of inside information, compared to just one townie, in a single game.Mirth wrote:Matt: actually we might not know based on what could interfere with a kill. And maybe this method of voting is handicapping the town because the town might be overpowered? Who knows. Bothers me that he brought it up though. (It seems to me that the defendant thing is just mod induced to ensure this game doesnt drag on to all eternity though)-
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Annnnnd you're still not answering. You say you're not surprised he asked you to claim, but what do you actually think of the idea. There's all this discussion going on around you and you're not really participating. Why is that?babygirl86 wrote:alright here we go..... I already commented on nat's claim.... I believe it, and although I'm sort of questioning why she claimed so early, I'll let it go..I'm not surprised that she asked me to claim- I am the defendant after all. I don't like the way mirth is playing right now and especially for not answering questions... why not just remind me- ever think that maybe I just missed it? and in answer to joubert, I am innocent.
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And you, who have also been on the site for over a year, should also know about a little thing called reaction testing. But maybe you don't, since you don't seem to be very concerned about getting people to talk or interact or anything of the sort. The fact that you're calling for a lynch *now* disturbs me greatly. We're already only have 3 week days. You yourself should know better than to throw away discussion time especially day 1 when most of us are entirely blind. If you still think I'm scum closer to deadline, then whatever. But it's not deadline yet. Far from it. And a couple of people, including my bestest friend on the planet (:P) Sly have said little or nothing. Why do you want to go into night just as blind as we are in day?Gorrad wrote:I might as well say. Mirth accused Malth (dang those names are gonna get confusing) of having insider information, hence the speculation. Now, Mirth, why would scum EVER reveal a mechanic the town didn't know. There's no reason at all. You've been on the site over a year, you should and I daresay DO know this. That you would make such an accusation puts you as surefire scum in my eyes.
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Except I'm not worried about my lynch. I'm more worried about the fact that he's not at all interested in discussing anything but how scummy I am and seems to be in a hurry to end this day. Look back at his posts. He pretty much zeroes in on me from the get go and doesn't really attempt to discuss anything else. He could say I'm scum all he wants, that part doesn't bother me, but I am concerned about how he's not willing to go further. Even if I am scum his lack of questioning of other players would give him no leads for day 2. He's citing townie cowardice to drive a wagon as fast a possible. Don't see when rationality and cowardice become synonymous.malthusis wrote:Heck, I found that post to have a hell of a lot of irony in it. You know he could be just testing you for a reaction you know. All he's doing is pressuring you. Plus, you'll need every single other jury member to lynch you, so don't go worrying about your lynch just yet.
Oh, and I missed Joubert's post from a while back: I don't know where you're getting reprimend from. I asked you for a reason since you did not specify your vote was random. Nowhere in it did I attack you or tell you you shouldn't vote me. Just asked why you did. Now you say it was random, 5 pages later. Do you have anything else to say about anything else?-
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You're not attempting to provoke reactions in anyone but me. I call that missing out on possible leads. If I am scum, then my methods of provocation would be geared to confuse. You're not trying to figure anything out for yourself. Don't like the sitting back and the tunnel vision.Gorrad wrote:How would not asking questions of others leave me leadless? I'd still be reading them and watching interactions. Besides, if they do something scummy, I will call them out, but for now you're leading the scumtrain by far.
Why just the other jurors? Is everyone else's opinion not important to you just because they can't vote?malthusis wrote:I really don't know why you're worried as of right now, I'd wait to see what the other jurors think of these latest posts first.
CS: what makes you think you missed it the first time instead of just finding something that wasn't there the second? Can you really be sure that you didn't only find it "put on" because of suggestion? Why are you willing to follow Gorrad's instincts more than your own?
Tajo: Do you actually believe in scumtells as valid measures of alignment? Why you you think BG is probably town. Why do you think CS is town?-
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Anything to say about anyone else? Why just condemning BG?Joubert wrote:Answer to Mirth. The delay between my first post and the next one was not intentional from my part. But yes, it was a random vote, and your reaction to it was informative. I don't have a lot to say because in my eye, Babygirl is innocent until proven otherwise, and nothing was said that could condemn her...-
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Except that it wasn't. I don't like how this implicitly seems to be saying that just because y'all think you see it it must be there. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. You can't be sure.Cream147 wrote:
Well...Natirasha saw it before he brought it up. If you read the conversation and can't see how it feels a bit put on, then...well...I don't know.Matt_S wrote:This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.
Mod: can we get prods on Theo, Sly, Babygirl, and anyone else who hasn't posted in a while?-
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Noted that you're blatantly ignoring even the possibility that my explanation is honest. Also noted how hard you're pushing.Natirasha wrote:
Or, maybe, we see it, and you don't. Different people read things different ways. Plus, on this matter, your opinion doesn't count--you are one of the people in the conversation.Mirth wrote:
Except that it wasn't. I don't like how this implicitly seems to be saying that just because y'all think you see it it must be there. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. You can't be sure.Cream147 wrote:
Well...Natirasha saw it before he brought it up. If you read the conversation and can't see how it feels a bit put on, then...well...I don't know.Matt_S wrote:This whole "put on" thing seems kind of put on. Nobody saw it that way until Natirasha brought it up. It seems to be nothing but a distraction.
Also Tajo has a point. If it was the wagon on Theo (not a big one at all), why did Cream unvote now as opposed to before when there were more votes on Theo. Why are you defending Cream?-
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Actually posting history says that some of the silent ones, including Theo, havent been posting anywhere for the past few days...Matt_S wrote:I find theo's lurking to be disturbing since he wanted to start conversation so badly yet is not saying a thing anymore. And these baseless accusations being flung back and forth are the perfect camouflage for scum trying to hide in the shadows. I don't think it's a coincidence that only half the town is posting during this put on conversation.-
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Mmmmm concert headache...
@Gorrad, 185: and what's your scum reading on yourself?
Tajo: I am not liking how you assume BG is town because she's defensive to the point of exasperation.
Sly: I don't strike you as scummy? Wow. I don't think there's a general consensus about BG, but I wouldn't say that there's much to go on. She only posted a couple of times and she avoided a question or two from me and her responses have been kind of disinterested.
Gorrad: why are you leaning towards innocent. She hasn't posted much and what she has posted doesn't have lots of content in it.
Cream: why am I your number one? And why didn't you unvote Theo earlier then?
Tajo: Why do you go so far to say that BG is less scummy then everyone else here?
... wait? You're assuming BG is innocent by attempting to mod outguess that scum can't be on trial first? WTH? How is this a remotely valid reason?-
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No, it isn't. It's a hasty, badly informed assumption. We don't know what Vollkan's game mechanics here are. We also don't know the scum to town ratio. We don't know scum powers or town powers for that matter. I don't see why you insist on attempting to outguess the mod on day 1.populartajo wrote: Its a safe assumption.
Unless those lists are random. You guys have your point here. But do you think it would be fair for scum to have a possible scumpartner in the first trial? This game is different and thats why Im 90% sure volkan had to mess it a little bit for balance reasons.-
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Soooooo care to comment on anyone else Sly? (Also, wow, aggressiveness, I'm impressed I do think you're letting me off the hook a bit too easily considering what I pulled in the past. Now I sure as heck don't believe in meta, but I'm wondering why you aren't more suspicious of me)
Mod: can we get prods on Babygirl, Theo, Malth, and Joubert please if you haven't recently prodded them?-
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