Mini 610: Ace Attorney Mafia - Game Over!!

[Battle Mage]

Did not comment because there was nothing to comment on. What exactly did you suggest? Before you tell me to go back and reread your posts, you said that maybe we should consider a list like Mith uses, and then you asked if anyone had any thoughts about a concordet voting system a couple pages later. This all means nothing to me as I do not understand the reference of either post, never having been in any of Mith's large games. Perhaps you should actually explain what it is you're driving at?

They arent solely used in Mith-games, thats just where i encountered them. I think they were used at Thespival as well, and events like that. Try reading one of Mith's old games. Just the first few posts. It'll explain what i mean far better than i can.

BM

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Non-Jurors:

**Rishi: (0/7)
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (1/7) {Battle Mage}

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (1/6, 1/1) {malthusis}, Joubert
SlySly: (1/6, 1/1) {Gorrad}, Matt_S
Battle Mage: (0/6, 2/1) populartajo, Rishi

Not Voting: (5/12) ChiefSkye4, SlySly, Cream147, Natirasha, Mirth

Deadline for D1: Sunday July 5, 6:15PM GMT+10
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[Battle Mage]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

thats really quite weak...

BM

[populartajo]

The logical option for scum will be to dont give a damn about this game.

[Mirth]

The logical option for scum will be to dont give a damn about this game.

Great, that's half the town.

[Gorrad]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Elementary, sir. This is, above all, a game of mafia. Now, picture a regular setup, one where everyone votes. You see someone say 'Look, this person has done something slightly scummy, and is better than a no-lynch, let's lynch them early in the game. An extremely blatant scum ploy.

That is essentially what you're doing here. You're trying to get an early lynch on someone who has done nothing significantly scummy (at least compared with others). The only difference is that instead of NL, it's Rishi, and you have to convince a more specific group of people. I'm more than happy with SlySly or Mirth instead of you, but you're an easy third on my list.

[Joubert]

Joubert: great, I agree with you, care to add anything else besides your thoughts on meta? We're close to deadline even with the mod being generous, but you haven't really contributed much so far and I have absolutely no read on you. Please talk/comment more.

Poor thing, you don't have a read on everyone. That's too bad. Scum needs to know everything to convey their lies extremely efficiently...

[Mirth]

Care to participate with something more than sarcasm?

[Matt_S]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Funny, I don't remember you ever using that reasoning in the past.

And I have no idea how a Condorcet system will help us out.

[Joubert]

Care to participate with something more than sarcasm?

Your reactions to them are enough...

[Mirth]

Would be better if you reacted.

[ChiefSkye4]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Elementary, sir. This is, above all, a game of mafia. Now, picture a regular setup, one where everyone votes. You see someone say 'Look, this person has done something slightly scummy, and is better than a no-lynch, let's lynch them early in the game. An extremely blatant scum ploy.

That is essentially what you're doing here. You're trying to get an early lynch on someone...

Now, I've got nothing against Cream, and I

do

believe that there are people scummier, but I don't believe there was a good answer.

Well, if you think about it, it's hardly early. We don't have THAT much time left. Also, this

isn't

a normal, average game of mafia, and if someone is scummier than the default in this game, then they are the neccessary lynch, or 'conviction, rather. Anyway...

From July 1st on, I'll have limitted access. But, I do read everything.

[Rishi]

Busy weekend. Post in the next 24 hours.

[Battle Mage]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Funny, I don't remember you ever using that reasoning in the past.

And I have no idea how a Condorcet system will help us out.

Because as jurors, we need to come up with a lynch we can all agree on. As such, the condorcet method of ordering players in order of suspicion, can be a good way of ensuring that we definitely reach an a satisfactory alternative lynch in time.

BM

[Natirasha]

Care to participate with something more than sarcasm?

Your reactions to them are enough...

The thing is, in this case, the reaction is useless. Seriously, if your going to post, post content.

[populartajo]

Ok we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.
Although my vote doesnt mean anything, Id suggest the jury to vote for Cream that he's far suspicious than babygirl.
Reason : he unvotes Theo with no apparent reason.

ChiefSkye4
Cream147
Gorrad
malthusis
Mirth
SlySly
theopor_COD

Do all the members of the jury here think that Cream is less suspicious than babygirl?

One of the most scummy things I've seen posted in a long while.

Explain why this post is scummy and why it doesnt seem to you like an attempt to stop possible scum in the jurors lurking. Now.

Funny, I don't remember you ever using that reasoning in the past.

we know lurking isnt going to help town specially in this game.
We have to do something.

[Matt_S]

That was the first time that you mentioned scum lurking. You were trying to keep babygirl from being lynched by getting the jury to vote someone else before, yet now you say that you did that to keep scum from lurking on the jury. Surely you see the difference between "don't lurk, lynch someone else" and "I don't want scum jurors lurking." Your motives seem to be changing. So, why do you think asking the jury to vote for someone is the best way to handle lurking? And why is that even excusable when you ignored babygirl's lurking?

[populartajo]

That was the first time that you mentioned scum lurking. You were trying to keep babygirl from being lynched by getting the jury to vote someone else before, yet now you say that you did that to keep scum from lurking on the jury.

Dont try too hard, Matt. What I was trying to do here is to push they jury to comment about a scummy player while at the same time stating what I thought about babygirl. I still think babygirl/Rishi is innocent and shouldnt be lynched. I still think Cream, at least him, should be the defendant now. Also, notice the word "possible" in "possible scum in the jury". The logical play for them would be to lurk and comment the less possible.
I repeat the same question now, to all the JURY, is babygirl/Rishi more scummy than Cream?

So, why do you think asking the jury to vote for someone is the best way to handle lurking?

Find another way.

And why is that even excusable when you ignored babygirl's lurking?

I didnt ignore it. She is the defendant, duh.[/quote]

[Mirth]

Why so fixated on Cream? Is he really the scummiest?

[populartajo]

Why so fixated on Cream? Is he really the scummiest?

He's a decent option, IMO.

[Mirth]

You didn't answer my question.

[Rishi]

Still busy, but wanting to answer some unanswered points:

On Mirth's opinion of Natirasha's claim: Well, Mirth doesn't believe Natirasha's claim. I think I wouldn't be inclined to either if he claimed something like doctor or cop. But, this is a setup where it looks like a lot is going on behind the scenes, and so role PMs are potentially useful. So I would believe this role could be in the game, so it doesn't sound like a made-up claim. As I said, though, this isn't necessarily a pro-town role though.

On why people should get avatars: I find it easier as the mod if everyone has an avatar. It allows me to quickly scan the last couple pages of a game to see if anyone needs a prod. Also, it helps me do vote counts (since it's kind of time consuming to display only the posts of individual players one at a time). As a player, I sometimes find it helpful to scan, but as a mod, it drives me crazy when people don't have avatars. I try not to piss off the mod when I can.

On emotional play = scummy play: I agree that town might say emotional things too. I won't agree that scum is always cool and collected, though. I have definitely seen emotional scum before. I really wanted to see how Battle Mage would react.

On condorcet voting: We're close to the deadline (about four days now?). I am okay with this, but I think it's more important that the members of the jury are okay with it, since it's ultimately their votes that matter.

As I said, still busy and not fully caught up. I will read the more recent conversation when I get a chance.

[Battle Mage]

right, jurors, please post your lists of favourite lynches. NOW.

BM

*regarding emotional play, seriously, just meta me. I'm always emotional about Mafia games. Even those i dont really care about.
Rishi, please explain how you think Nat's role could be anti-town?

[Rishi]

*regarding emotional play, seriously, just meta me. I'm always emotional about Mafia games. Even those i dont really care about.

I'll take your word for it. I don't think I've played with you before. Basically, you're saying that emotional play is a null-tell for you? You sometimes get emotional as scum, too, I assume?

Rishi, please explain how you think Nat's role could be anti-town?

Well, the scum presumably don't know a lot about the setup either. Anything that they can glean from PMs would be useful for them. It could be a balancing trick to let them know more about how the game works than the town. In any case, this might be relevant later, but I don't think Nat's the play for today.

[Cream147]

Why so fixated on Cream? Is he really the scummiest?

He's a decent option, IMO.

I'm either the scummiest, or I'm not the scummiest. With the way you seem to be so concentrated on me, I would have thought that in your eyes, I was the scummiest. However, in this post, you seem hesitant to actually say that straight out. Any reason?

[Gorrad]

Mirth, SlySly, Populartajo.