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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:44 pm

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I have finally got time to make a indepth post, so here are my thoughts.

1. With the issue of who gets the pick the defendent I'm leaning more towards a town picker then a scum picker for the plain reason that it's pretty stacked towards the town already. (I can't really see it being fair for it to be random.)

2.Sly's analysis of BG at post #216 strikes me as odd when there's other people who seem scummier to the town as a whole and the fact that BG's the defendent. I don't know why I'd try to lynch the defendent unless I was EXTREMELY sure that he/she was scum since this would cause the day to end early (speedlynchs are bad, especially on day one.)
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Non-Jurors:

**Babygirl86: (0/7)
Joubert: (0/7)
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (0/7)

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 0/1)
Mirth: (2/6, 3/1) {Gorrad, malthusis}, Joubert, babygirl86
SlySly: (0/6, 1/1) Matt_S
theopor_COD: (0/6, 1/1) populartajo

Not Voting: (6/12) ChiefSkye4, SlySly, theopor_COD, Cream147. Natirasha, Mirth

Deadline for D1: Sunday July 5, 6:15PM GMT+10
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Gorrad, you did not unvote before voting SlySly, so your attempted vote change has not been counted.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:57 pm

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malthusis wrote: 2.Sly's analysis of BG at post #216 strikes me as odd when there's other people who seem scummier to the town as a whole and the fact that BG's the defendent.
It is true that others have arguably appeared scummier in this game than BG has.
malthusis wrote: I don't know why I'd try to lynch the defendent unless I was EXTREMELY sure that he/she was scum since this would cause the day to end early (speedlynchs are bad, especially on day one.)
FoS: SlySly
As my lack of a vote suggests, I am not trying to lynch BG. I am just trying to be able to mark BG off of my list of likely suspects as BG has done nothing so far to clear herself from suspicion.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:18 pm

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Wait, a thought just came to me. (Sorry to distract from ongoing conversation, but...) What would happen if the defendant-picker dies? Does town just lose? Any theories?
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:31 am

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It either goes to random or there's a backup.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:36 am

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Why are you still playing the mod-outguessing game. And Gorrad, while I don't like what SlySly asked, I kind of can't blame him for asking it with the way you present your opinion in the matter as fact.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:44 am

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Any better ideas are welcome. I've thought this out rather thoroughly.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:01 am

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Why?

Mod: have people picked up their prods?
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:27 am

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...do I really need to justify my thinking about the setup in a very strangely set-up game of MAFIA, a game that even with a normal setup revolves around thinking?
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:51 am

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I dont think its possible to break the setup and also that its not particularly important because figuring out how the defendant is determined doesn't change that there is a defendant. It also doesn't change that we still need to lynch someone. An odd setup is not an excuse to not actually play mafia, because in a normal game no one is this caught up over how many power roles there are or what they are or if there are two roleblockers and one roleblocks the other, will that be chained or layered or whatever. In a normal game regardless of setup, you think about whos suspicious and only worry about setup when you need to.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:55 am

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I'm not the one who brought this up, if you recall. I'm just answering questions. Also, I AM still thinking about who's suspicious (You, SlySly, and Tajo).

Blah, just now saw my vote wasn't counted.
Unvote, Vote: SlySly
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:01 am

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RL issues, will post ASAP. Posting this in all my games.1
Call me Tajo.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:23 am

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I really wish BG would post. :(
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:26 am

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I really wish the other people who aren't posting would post too.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:52 pm

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Everybody except for Theo has picked up their prod.

I am now seeking replacement for Babygirl and Theopor.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:08 am

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Give a warm welcome and many thanks to Battle Mage, who replaces Theopor_COD effective immediately.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:11 am

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Ooh, so im a juror? :D

excellent. I'll be reading in a bit.

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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:37 am

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In short, I don't see the use of having someone on the bench of the accused if we can simply accuse anyone else. That's the main reason why I say that Babygirl is innocent (unless I missed something big that could condemn her) and that there's little she can say to defend herself...
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:27 am

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Why are you so ready to declare her innocent? She's not even participating at this point, so she's pretty much a null read.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:37 am

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BM! Been a while. Welcome to the game, please vote SlySly or Mirth.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:35 am

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Mirth wrote:Why are you so ready to declare her innocent? She's not even participating at this point, so she's pretty much a null read.
Because you can't possibly prove something that is NOT. That's all...
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:37 am

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Gorrad wrote:BM! Been a while. Welcome to the game, please vote SlySly or Mirth.
Hey man. Sure has! Good to see you again though. :)

Sorry to say it, but i've read the game, and i'm not inclined to lynch someone solely for being an idiot. Who knows- maybe we have a Vig or something? I'm not saying Mirth and Sly havent been scummy, but i'd like to see more from the latter before we do anything with him. Mirth...well, i'm pretty torn. I'd really like to kill her, but im not sure i can do so on good reasoning. I'm far from convinced that she is scum. If it comes to a choice between her and BG, i'll gladly join the Unanimous Vote. In the meantime, i think we have better options to pursue.

My game analysis is here btw:

Natirasha is right about an early defendant claim being a good idea. I REALLY don’t like the way Mirth is jumping at shadows, and I especially hate the way in which she forces a claim out of Natirasha. Mirth herself would have me lynched for that. But then, this is Mirth we’re talking about here. It’s probably unrealistic to expect the same level of ability as you might from other players. :roll:
Chiefskye is giving me scummy vibes. Gorrad’s post on the setup confuses me a little. Tajo looks even scummier. Rofl at Post 67. It’s great to be in a game with Gorrad again :P
Post 76 by Cream could well be a massive slip if Babygirl is town. :D
Rich’s first post is pretty scummy and probably warrants suspicion. But, it’s a bit surprising to see Mirth so eager with the ‘confirm vote’. :o
Post 78 is equally inconsistent, as Mirth encourages Natirasha to claim for no reason, DESPITE opposing a claim from BG earlier. Why?
CS supports a claim too, and is reluctant to vote Theo. Again, feels scummy. Tajo votes for Cream. No reason given. Potential distancing? Natirasha’s claim seems genuine. One scenario I could POTENTIALLY see as being a very good play, is Mirth and Natirasha as a scumpair, setting up the whole claim thing, in an attempt to get a safeclaim of that nature into the mix. Just an idea. :P
Post 84 by Cream is mucho interessant. Same with Post 85, but again, I’m not exactly optimistic about getting anything useful or relevant out of Mirth this game…
Talk about TS 2.0! :lol:
CS joins the Cream-Mirth group. Humorous indeed. :D
He also claims to be able to back up Nat’s claim flavour wise. Would be interesting to wait for flavour counter-claims.
Matt feels town. It is a healthy mix of scummy and just plain irritating that Mirth insists on distorting the facts surrounding the Nat-claim. Jesus christ, did nobody ever teach you to take responsibility for your actions? Whether you meant it or not, you cant deny the facts. Post 99 by CS doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. If Nat had softclaimed power, and was actually relatively weak, wouldn’t it be beneficial for her to take the bullet, rather than save her own ass? That is, if you think she claimed genuinely. ;)
Tajo tunnel-visions Cream.
Post 103 by CS is very scummy. Gorrad feels town. I’m hanging off his every word. :D
Malthusis suggests scum might not have NKs. Don’t understand Gorrad’s post 125 vote for Mirth. Mirth does seem to be jumping at shadows though. And I don’t think she is exactly playing to her town META. :D
I’m not entirely convinced by Gorrad’s case on Mirth. I mean, scum can slip inside info because they think the town might know already, or shortly know it. On the flipside, I really don’t like the way Mirth attempts to exaggerate the situation the town is in- it strikes me as if she doesn’t really have a grasp on what state the town is in. Malthusis tries to reassure Mirth. Tajo claims CS is town, for no apparent reason. Tajo is still tunnel-visioning Cream. I think a Tajo-lynch could be VERY informative at this point. Tajo also claims to be almost sure that BG is town. Not greatly impressed with Sly’s first bit of content. Nor his buddying with Mirth. Sly’s blatant fishing seems off. But I think he can wait for a bit.

Oh and for my own sake, a random checklist:

Populartajo x 3
Gorrad ??
Matt S
Cream
Mirth
CS

Go figure. :P Rofl

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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:09 am

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Zomg, smiley attack! Hello BM.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:25 am

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:D yup!
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:19 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
Gorrad wrote: Post 99 by CS doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. If Nat had softclaimed power, and was actually relatively weak, wouldn’t it be beneficial for her to take the bullet, rather than save her own ass? That is, if you think she claimed genuinely. ;)
That does make sense, but the post was made with the thought that his claim was to defend himself (not that he was under any fire, of course). He seems to have no intentions of taking the bullet for us, though. At least, he's not said anything of the sort.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:37 pm

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Joubert wrote:there's little she can say to defend herself...
Currently she is saying nothing and that sure isn't helping her defense.

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Battle Mage wrote: this is Mirth we’re talking about here. It’s probably unrealistic to expect the same level of ability as you might from other players.
From my experience playing mafia with her, I have seen that Mirth has greater skill at this game than most.

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