Mini 610: Ace Attorney Mafia - Game Over!!

[SensFan]

Hey Sens, we got a bit of a timing crunch here, care to lend us a hand with this sub-par, but not bad lynch?

I'm here. Expect a real post in the 12-24 hour range.

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Page 20 Votecount

Non-Jurors:

**Rishi: (0/7)
Joubert: (4/7) {Mirth, malthusis, Cream147, ChiefSkye4}
Matt_S: (0/7)
Natirasha: (0/7)
populartajo: (1/7) {Battle Mage}

Jurors

ChiefSkye4: (0/6, 0/1)
Cream147: (0/6, 0/1)
Gorrad: (0/6, 0/1)
malthusis: (0/6, 1/1) Rishi
Mirth: (0/6, 1/1) Joubert
SensFan: (1/6, 1/1) {Gorrad}, Matt_S
Battle Mage: (0/6, 0/1)

Not Voting: (3/12) SensFan, Natirasha, populartajo

Deadline for D1: Monday July 7, 6:15PM GMT+10
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@Gorrad: You forgot to unvote.
@populartajo: You are a non-juror. You can only vote Jurors. Thus, I have not counted your attempted vote for Matt_S (a non-Juror) on the previous page. I have counted your unvote, however.

[Battle Mage]

Damnit i really wanna see Tajo hang. I think we'll learn so much from it.
I'm still not feeling the Joubert-wagon ATALL. Firstly, it's pretty much entirely based on lurking, which hardly makes for an effective case. Secondly, if anything, he is giving me town vibes. Thirdly, more than half of the votes on him are of the nature 'i dont think he is that scummy, but i dont want to see Rishi die'. Now lets say he is scum. Im making the assumption that there is at LEAST 1 scumbag on the Jury atm. Most of the jurors so far, have shown attitudes that directly oppose them bussing Joubert. Nobody has defended him either (apart from me apparently). Do you really think all Joubert's scumbuddies would choose to bus him, whilst claiming 'They dont see a case on him atall'??

Rishi, i'd like you to claim please.

thanks,

BM

[Rishi]

Rishi, i'd like you to claim please.

No. Not for you. If others want me to claim, that's fine, but I don't feel this is the majority opinion.

You suggested the condorcet system and not only did you not submit your own list, you are not abiding by its terms.

I know you want to feel like you're the most important player in this game, but you're not.

[Mirth]

Mirth starts the agression against everything that moves. I have problems seeing this as an extremely agressive scum play as it usually generates much attention and hate from the people you attack. This probably tells me Mirth is just agressive scumhunting townie.

Except I'm also really aggressive when I'm scum too. I don't like how you're trying to find reasons to call people town.

Natirasha suggest babygirl to claim inmediately. Again I can see this as gatheting too much attention and a bad play for scum if babygirl were town or scum. This tells me Natirasha is prob town.

Nat was also looking for an excuse to out himself. Don't write him off as town yet either please. Wait until someone dies.

Chiefsky has some good posting at P2. He usually talks about the difficulty of geting 7 players to agree, although he seems to be very careful about his voting.

She's also noncommital and not really a participant of the discussion.

Natirasha claims a weak town role. That explains why he thinks there isnt vanilla townies and why he wanted to claim. Still doubtful but it can be tested.

Why doubtful if you said before you were sure he's town.

Now I have to get out something of my chest. Ive been bothered by Matt posting. I cant quote exactly what makes me feel this way. It probably has to be with the small posting and the subtle attacks he usually makes. I can be wrong but I had to write it.

In his case, small posts don't mean contentless posts.

Slysly jumps against babygirl. Nice resoning but bad play and I cant see scum doing that.

What, scum are infallible all of a sudden?

BM replaces Theo and my head starts to hurt. Rishi replaces babygirl and I still think he's town.

Shouldn't have thought of that in the first place.


BM: unless of course Sly/Sens is one of Joubert's partners. So I don't know. Tajo *is* blatantly neck deep in crap!logic, yes, but he really seems to actually believe his own crap!logic, which makes me much less sure of his alignment.

Mod: didn't you say the deadline was extended? your post doesn't show this?

[Rishi]

Oh, also, Gorrad is voting for Joubert.

You know... I really think that it's fishy that BM is withholding his vote and trying to extract a claim. Can someone demonstrate how it's not?

[Battle Mage]

he probably copied and pasted.
Even YOU dont seem to have the conviction of the Joubert wagon. I get the gut feeling that neither of them are scum, but we have to kill 1 of them.
I await the claim from Rishi.

BM

[Mirth]

Gorrad isn't voting. He didn't unvote.

Since our deadline apparently got pushed back to Monday, I request you don't claim.

[Battle Mage]

Oh, also, Gorrad is voting for Joubert.

You know... I really think that it's fishy that BM is withholding his vote and trying to extract a claim. Can someone demonstrate how it's not?

Gorrad is NOT voting for Joubert. Try, ya know, reading the game.
Hell, even reading the Mod's posts would have told you better.

Of course it's fishy from your perspective. Its your neck on the line. In fact, it's FISHING at its most blatant. I dont see why you want someone to argue that out. Its not like i'm contesting it.

Are you going to claim or not?

BM

[Mirth]

he probably copied and pasted.
Even YOU dont seem to have the conviction of the Joubert wagon. I get the gut feeling that neither of them are scum, but we have to kill 1 of them.
I await the claim from Rishi.

BM

I don't have much of a conviction, no, but I would prefer a Joubert lynch to a Tajo lynch. As I said, Tajo is at least trying, even if he's too eager to trust people. Joubert isn't. (My main issue isn't just the lurking. My main issue is ignoring my initial question to him and then trying to twist my words around and *then* ignoring the question about that. I know he doesn't like it that I'm still going on about this, but if he answered me in the first place, I wouldn't be.)

[Battle Mage]

Gorrad isn't voting. He didn't unvote.

Since our deadline apparently got pushed back to Monday, I request you don't claim.

assuming his claim doesnt clarify matters, i have an idea which might just save his arse. Of course, if he'd rather listen to you, thats his lookout.

The clock is ticking, comrade.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, i forgot to say: Welcome Sensfan <3

[Mirth]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

[Battle Mage]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

[Mirth]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

You mean give him a choice like you are?

[Rishi]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT. :lol:

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

Go ahead and give your idea. I see no reason to claim now.

Especially since you never asked Joubert to claim. It means that you're interested in hearing my role, a blatant attempt at information, but not really in evaluating who is a better lynch.

And I'm sorry that I don't have 18 hours a day to dedicate to Mafia and that I missed the Gorrad thing. I have this thing called, you know, A LIFE.

[Battle Mage]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

You mean give him a choice like you are?

No, i mean give me the benefit of the doubt and give him the opportunity to make the choice. And stop fishing from me, when it clearly has no protown incentive.

BM

[Mirth]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

You mean give him a choice like you are?

No, i mean give me the benefit of the doubt and give him the opportunity to make the choice. And stop fishing from me, when it clearly has no protown incentive.

BM

So "claim now because I said so" is a choice? I would hate to live in a world ruled by you, BM.

[Battle Mage]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

You mean give him a choice like you are?

No, i mean give me the benefit of the doubt and give him the opportunity to make the choice. And stop fishing from me, when it clearly has no protown incentive.

BM

So "claim now because I said so" is a choice? I would hate to live in a world ruled by you, BM.

yes. he can claim, or he can not claim. I'm not going to outline the consequences of either action here, just because you said so. At least in a world ruled by me, we would achieve something. In a world ruled by you, the tiniest action taken by the people would be questionned by your good self, and nothing would ever get done. Being firm is sometimes necessary.

BM

[Mirth]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

You mean give him a choice like you are?

No, i mean give me the benefit of the doubt and give him the opportunity to make the choice. And stop fishing from me, when it clearly has no protown incentive.

BM

So "claim now because I said so" is a choice? I would hate to live in a world ruled by you, BM.

yes. he can claim, or he can not claim. I'm not going to outline the consequences of either action here, just because you said so. At least in a world ruled by me, we would achieve something. In a world ruled by you, the tiniest action taken by the people would be questionned by your good self, and nothing would ever get done. Being firm is sometimes necessary.

BM

There would never be a world ruled by me as I understand that I am not capable of such a task. I would abdicate in favor of some resurrected enlightened despot like Frederick or Peter.

[Battle Mage]

Well it's ultimately his choice. Why don't you tell him your idea and then let him decide.

rofl.

Or...NOT.

Please quit butting in now, and give the guy a chance.

BM

Go ahead and give your idea. I see no reason to claim now.

Lol, you see no reason to claim now? srsly?

Fair enough...

Oh and btw, if you think i'm gonna try and save your ass if you cant even be bothered to put the effort in yourself, you are VERY wrong.

Especially since you never asked Joubert to claim. It means that you're interested in hearing my role, a blatant attempt at information, but not really in evaluating who is a better lynch.

I'd rather not have more claims than we need to. Hence i have asked you to claim. Do me a favour, and dont question my motives until you have given me the opportunity to reveal them. -.-
I've already made it quite clear that i dont want to see Joubert die today.

And I'm sorry that I don't have 18 hours a day to dedicate to Mafia and that I missed the Gorrad thing. I have this thing called, you know, A LIFE.

lol, i dont think you really believe that. LaL?

BM

[Rishi]

I'd rather not have more claims than we need to. Hence i have asked you to claim. Do me a favour, and dont question my motives until you have given me the opportunity to reveal them. -.-
I've already made it quite clear that i dont want to see Joubert die today.

And I've already made it quite clear that the following facts exist:

1) You suggested condorcet voting and encouraged people to submit their lists.
2) You did not submit a list yourself, nor did you ever compile the lists into a favored lynch, as you said that you would.
3) You are not going along with the general opinion of those who have submitted lists and therefore are breaking the implied agreement made when condorcet voting was suggested.
4) You are now fishing for a roleclaim from me and not from Joubert.
5) You claim to have "motives" that cannot be revealed.

Do you disagree with any of the facts? If not, and you let me die, then you will have to face the consequences of your actions. If at least two other players asked me to claim (besides you), then I will. But, I don't want to give up the information I have unless absolutely necessary. Right now, I don't think it is.

And if you think I have no interest in saving myself, then you're just dead wrong.

Do what you will. I don't submit to bullies.

(Yes, the "18 hours a day on Mafia" thing was a joke.)

[Cream147]

Rishi, there is one concern I have. If BM doesn't shift soon, you may have to claim, especially if you are a power role. However, this isn't in my opinion, the optimal situation. Condorcet voting has told us that Joubert is the preferred conviction. Therefore, from my eyes, we should be convicting Joubert. Joubert should be claiming. Rishi should be staying alive (and therefore not claiming).

[Gorrad]

Stinkin...

Unvote, Vote: Joubert

Happy, Vollkan?

[vollkan]

Mod: didn't you say the deadline was extended? your post doesn't show this?

I assume you mean the votecount on this page. I copy votecounts from page to page, and just forgot to update that part. It's correct now.

[SensFan]

Rishi and Joubert, both claim please.

I much prefer a Tajo lynch to anyone else, but that doesn't look likely at this point. Joubert is easily my second choice, followed by Mirth, Malth, BM; in that order.

Vote: Joubert

BM, NOTE THAT YOU ARE NOW THE ONLY JUROR NOT VOTING FOR JOUBERT.