Open 44 - Twofold Mafia: GAME OVER! before 506

[TylerJ]

about time.

Vote: Rishi

[TylerJ]

maybe we should pressure vote CA! J/K. That would be cruel. I wish ya luck.

[TylerJ]

unvote, vote: shifted

, because he is switching votes and FOS'es way too much.

[TylerJ]

ohh,

unvote, vote: shaft.ed

[TylerJ]

What are you ralking about shaft.ed I go hunting for kittens that ride ponies all the time. I have a tag for one right now.

[TylerJ]

OMGUS

vote, unvote: shaft.ed

Your dead. I'm no longer a kitten riding pony hunter, I am a shaft.ed hunter. It's hunting season.

sshhhh.. be very, very quite I'm hunting for scum, *clears throat* shaft.ed

[TylerJ]

That drawing is a mess! I have to do like 90% imagination.

[TylerJ]

Sounds like someone is trying to make an early excuse for lurking...

[TylerJ]

actually yes, so where you?

[TylerJ]

Chronx does seem to want to get out of the random vote stage, but that isn't scummy. Unfortunately I can't find anything scummy, wich is truly aggitating, I feel like we are still in the random voting stage and I hate being their.

I did vote for shaft.ed just to let you know. But not to worry

unvote

Rishi does seem to pointing fingers at people for next to nothing...

But saying that is hypocritical....

Perhaps I will find something later on today

[TylerJ]

I think ChronX is scummy due to post 54.

I do not yet think he's "scum" yet as he states in 75.

I'm just finding him scummy cest la vie.

Straddling the fence there eh? And I also don't think 54 was scummy, so I don't know what you see in it that is so scummy.

[TylerJ]

How does CA ring your scumdar over something like that. I think the majority of people are innocent, does that make me guilty? Come on theopor you have to have something stronger to make a case.

[TylerJ]

Actually the majority of people are not mafia, but everyone is asuspect. Suspect does not equal guilt.

[TylerJ]

rishi you don't know that

Jdodge you know that he wasn't saying he was going to lurk. From what I see, he was joking while trying to make a point. I was pushing his button to see his reaction, not because it was worth mentioning.

vote: Jdodge

[TylerJ]

CA that is WIFOM. I agree, but you get someone who thinks it thorugh, or is good at pretending, then you are at a standstill. So in the end I disagree...

honestly I have no idea on Shaft.ed. I have no inclination to say he is town or mafia. I need to look more in depth through this thread again, I hope I will be able to do that soon, my schedule is catching up on me.

[TylerJ]

I reread and found my vision clearing some. Theopor seemed to jump Chronx with little reasoning. An even the reasoning he gave wasn't strong.


As to why I voted for Jdodge, it was a weak vote with little conviction. I should have said FOS, but for some reason forgotten about I voted for him. That's about it...

Anyway, JDodge doesn't actually seem suspicious to me right now. But I hate not knowing who to go after. But seeing Theopors post again, he seems suspicious...so...

unvote
FOS: Theopor

[TylerJ]

I voted for you before I reread the thread and posted that. Is that scummy? Do you want me to be suspicious of you? I can be if you want me too.

[TylerJ]

I agree rishi. I usually stand out and post a lot.

[TylerJ]

Dasquian, I think that if I were actually mafia, I would be sure of myself, not unsure. Just a thought...

[TylerJ]

I don't think that laying low is scummy. It's just the way some people play. Also, GH why are you suspicious of me? You say I sound too sure, but that isn't scummy.

[TylerJ]

I think ChronX action is explainable and i think he is town.

vote:Shaft.ed

I'll comment on everything else shortly. Note I found ChronX's vote slightly scummy because it was the third on the wagon something which he called Dasquian out on.

The above however rings my scumdar more. "You think he is town" why? for moving the game forward supposedly? Do you think scum would not look to promote discussion?

My reason for believe he is a town because early game, most scum will just drop a random vote and lurk around or wait for an appropriate bandwagon to claim on. Beside, i don't think a scum would go around promoting reasoning votes.

Another point is Shaft.ed is too hasty to grap on Chonx so i make a connection between a scum-voting-town.

CA you seem to defend Chronx multiple times. That's scummy. Perhaps you are partners in crime, eh?

[TylerJ]

even if I did Rishi, two times isn't a whole lot.

[TylerJ]

I don't have a whole lot of content because I can't find much to talk about. Even if there was, I'm sick right now and my mind isn't thinking right. But I understand you now.

[TylerJ]

Chronx thanks for the defense, it isn't often that people get completes in this game, it is usually degrading. By the way, the scum pair was really a small speculation. It wasn't even based on you, but solely based on CA's action. This is where I reach a problem, because it doesn't go both ways. CA seems scummy, but you don't.

As far as everyone voting for me, it seems that the main reason is because "I sound scummy". I can't defend that. If you are going to vote for me, at least have a legitamite reason. You can't win a game purely on gut feelings.

[TylerJ]

that people get complements in this game

edited the above quote.

[TylerJ]

CA you seem to defend Chronx multiple times. That's scummy. Perhaps you are partners in crime, eh?

Defending Chronx doesn't mean i am his partner in crime. Dude, use your logic better. Scum pair don't protect each other (only if they newb), scum pair are usually fos one another to differentiate themselve.

Saying scumpairs wouldn't do it because it is too newbie is WIFOM. So Dude, you better logic.

Theopor, your take on aioqwe is interesting... I'll think about it.

[TylerJ]

shaft.ed. Don't try getting in arguments. they don't help the game at all. I'm surprised about the fact that you posted about CA but didn't mention anything else. Is nothing remotely interesting enough to post about?

[TylerJ]

I reread everything again and found Theopor and CA the scummiest. Theopor for his litle content and quick voting before he votes. CA because his defense against Chronx.

If Chronx is scum-I doubt it- He did a good job at the beginning of the game so that people wouldn't suspect him, all the more reason to be catious. He seems too clean. Like the perfect boyfriend that becomes abusive when the girl merries him. rough analogy I know. Still, I can't suspect someone when they have no evidence agaisnt them. And my only evidence is CA's attempts to protect him.

All of this is reideration, but sometimes it is neccesary to pick up the game.

[TylerJ]

I was specifically talking about your vote for Chronx. I hadn't noticed cKillors post because I was in the middle of going through everything. You are right though. It is scummy.

vote: ckillor

[TylerJ]

CA that is a bummer. Oh, well, no hard feelings.

sorry shaft.ed seemed like you were trying to aggravate people.

I know that if CA is scum that it doesnt mean that by extension that Chronx is scummy. I realize that like aioqwe said, it is a weak argument. But at least GH sees my stance.

[TylerJ]

vote hopping with little content is suspicious.

[TylerJ]

I haven't had time to do a full re-read, but did an isolated read on a couple of people that other people have been finding suspicious, namely TylerJ and ckillor. They have been both lurking in plain sight, not adding much content. I realize that I could be accused of the same thing.

The main difference between TylerJ and ckillor, though, is while ckillor has really had very little to say, TylerJ's nonposts have usually consisted of "I find this scummy" and "I find that scummy." Saying these things is not enough to be scummy, but that's pretty much all that TylerJ does. Even after I pointed it out once, he continues to do it.

I've definitely got my eye on ckillor, but

Vote: TylerJ

I will attempt a full re-read soon and post my thoughts on more players.

I haven't been lurking in plain sight. when I see something worth mentioning, I mention it. Sometimes when I am on the Computer, I don't have anything to say, but I still try to find something anyway.

The fact that you vote me because I say xyz is scummy is confusing. What is suspicious about that. If there isn't a good reason, I am forced to believe that you are fishing for someone to target.

FoS:Rishi

Some might consider this an OMGUS, it partially is. And then, the other part does have a valid reason.

[TylerJ]

unvote, vote ChronX

Oh, and

VOTE rishi

for bailing off of Dasquian and possibly prolonging our random stage misery. 3 votes isn't really anything to worry about if you are going to be active, you can remove at 4 or 5 just as easily if it gets there.

Oh, and

VOTE rishi

for bailing off of Dasquian and possibly prolonging our random stage misery. 3 votes isn't really anything to worry about if you are going to be active, you can remove at 4 or 5 just as easily if it gets there.

Someone is desperately looking for a lynch. There are many paths out of Day 1. But I'm starting to find one I like.

Vote: ChronX

By the way, on an unrelated note, is your screen name related to the online collectible card game ChronX?

Dasquian, I think that if I were actually mafia, I would be sure of myself, not unsure. Just a thought...

You seem abit too aware of this so I'm not taking genuine newb-ness as real - think I could do worse than

unvote, vote: TylerJ

Okay, I quoted all of the above for a simple reason. Mafia need to pretend to scum hunt. Consequently, they will fish for reasons to vote or FoS someone. the above quotes are quotes that seem weakly founded or opportunistic.

[TylerJ]

here is my FOS list

FoS:
CA
Rishi
Theopor
ckillor

I don't find the need to write down everything that isn't scummy. I also didn't find a reason to respond to Max because he was saying what you said.

As far as why I am suspicious of the above people, here are the reasons. CA I find suspicious because he had continually defended Chronx. However, The dillema is reached by the fact that Chronx isn't scummy. Rishi, for finding me suspicious because of the fact that I keep on saying xyz is scummy, what I feel as fishing for a reason. Theopor for not scum hunting, providing little content, and jumping on a wagon with no reason. ckillor for obvious lurking.

[TylerJ]

Hmm. perhaps you missed this.

The dillema is reached by the fact that Chronx isn't scummy

[TylerJ]

Yeah, isn't it . I don't see why you wanted me to post something that isn't scummy.

Let's see if Chronx and I win against 10 scum. .

[TylerJ]

here is my FOS list

FoS:
CA
Rishi
Theopor
ckillor

I don't find the need to write down everything that isn't scummy. I also didn't find a reason to respond to Max because he was saying what you said.

As far as why I am suspicious of the above people, here are the reasons. CA I find suspicious because he had continually defended Chronx. However, The dillema is reached by the fact that Chronx isn't scummy. Rishi, for finding me suspicious because of the fact that I keep on saying xyz is scummy, what I feel as fishing for a reason. Theopor for not scum hunting, providing little content, and jumping on a wagon with no reason. ckillor for obvious lurking.

Also how can you find CA suspicious for defending ChronX if you don't think ChronX is scum?

That was already mentioned and defended. It was brought up by me already, it is called a dilemma.

[TylerJ]

I plan on posting a complete analysis tommorow.

[TylerJ]

Put me at five why don't you. Okay, so I am over defensive. But that could merely be a play style instead of scummy.

Rishi, when I point fingers, I justify them. If you disagree, show proof.
You have accused me without showing evidence. And why would I want to leave my options open? Views change, so I would careless if I had adressed earlier if I thought someone was scummy. I could care less If I left my options open because it makes no logical sense in my mind to do so.

As far as everyone voting me goes, give reasoning and evidence please. And none of this 'he seems scummy' stuff. You should have something that is actually provable and disprovable. Then, perhaps I can actually defend myself and perhaps clear my name.

[TylerJ]

And I have given you chances to provide evidence. I just got on the computer, so you will have to wait on the analysis.

As far as the playstyle, it's constantly developing. I know that overdefensiveness is harmful. But when people accuse me without evidence I get frustrated because I can't defend their accusations.

Tell me, if no one backs up their claims, what am I left with. Whats worth is that appearently people have fallen for those accusations and I am at five votes. Tell me, Why should I not be defensive and aggravated?

Please tell me! I'm all ears.

[TylerJ]

JDodge- He’s usually inactive until he is pressured based on another game I’m in with him. So far I have nothing on him.
Theopor_COD- Posts little content and has given one vote with little reason. When he was called on, he seemed to give a reason, but whether it was his true reason or not remains to be seen.
Panzerjager- Just joined recently, seems to be svum hunting pretty well.
Tylerj- I’m me.
Dasquian – I don’t think he is an aggressive player, Although that could be because of his yellow avatar. But he does good scum hunting and provides good info.
Groinhammer- Not too active, don’t know what to think of him.
Aioqwe –Started off with little content, but started to pick up after the first few pages.
Rishi – I’ll be honest, I find Rishi aggravating. He started to vote for me because he thought I said something is scummy and then posted that something else was scummy consecutively. From what I see, he sometimes fishes for reasons to vote someone. These reasons seem to be weak and he doesn’t provide evidence when asked. This could all be a fruedian response to my agitation toward him, but I don’t know.
Max- Other than role fishing, drawing, and one-liners. He hasn’t contributed much
ChronX – Seems to be the most obvious town. Of course, I’m suspicious of those who seem to be the best townies, don’t know why. Nevertheless, I don’t think he is scum.
Shaft.ed – Aggressive, but strikes me as a townie
Ckillor –obvious lurker who seems more suspicious with every post he throws in.

[TylerJ]

Now while you were accusing me of not doing a write-up rishi, I was doing exactly that. I hadn't done it yet because I was tired last nigt, simple as that.

As far as the advice Shaft.ed. I'll take you up on it.

[TylerJ]

That wasn't appeal to emotion.

Nice one-liner. Still your old self, lurking and coming back with one liners. really effective scum hunting.

[TylerJ]

Sheesh, I was only away for the weekend

FOS: TylerJ

for sounding scummy - he seems pointedly unsure of himself, though this of course could be genuine newbieness.

Can’t defend against gut feelings.

Dasquian, I think that if I were actually mafia, I would be sure of myself, not unsure. Just a thought...

You seem abit too aware of this so I'm not taking genuine newb-ness as real - think I could do worse than

unvote, vote: TylerJ

Trying to jump on a wagon perhaps. Still, gut feelings shouldn’t be used as sole evidence. Dasquain gave a simple FoS, you voted. If you had another reason for voting me, then perhaps I wouldn’t consider it bandwagoning.

I think it'll take some time for me to digest everything

based on what I read CA and Tyler seem the fishiest... I'll try and think about it tho...

Everyone still goes on the gut feelings huh?

CA you seem to defend Chronx multiple times. That's scummy. Perhaps you are partners in crime, eh?

Man, that's the second consecutive post where you labelled a certain kind of behavior "scummy." Is everything scummy in your eyes?

Unvote: ChronX

Vote: TylerJ

Is that worthy of a vote? Someone says, xyz is scummy, and they suddenly become scummy? Since when was this scumtell?

shaft.ed seems OK to me. TylerJ otoh comes across as the scummiest person right now.

Unvote Rishi, vote TylerJ

. I still think Rishi is slightly scummy, but that was several pages ago at the start of the non-random voting, so my reasons have been superceded by others. The vote's certainly not doing any good on its own.

groinhammer I don't see as being particularly scummy, but then I don't have a huge town read on him either. I don't think ChronX's complaints are fair; placing the second vote on a reasonable bandwagon candidate isn't scummy play in and of itself.

Why am I scummy? Sure, it is a long post, but you never gave your reasoning. Perhaps you don’t have a reason and are trying to disquise it with a long post.

I haven't had time to do a full re-read, but did an isolated read on a couple of people that other people have been finding suspicious, namely TylerJ and ckillor. They have been both lurking in plain sight, not adding much content. I realize that I could be accused of the same thing.

The main difference between TylerJ and ckillor, though, is while ckillor has really had very little to say, TylerJ's nonposts have usually consisted of "I find this scummy" and "I find that scummy." Saying these things is not enough to be scummy, but that's pretty much all that TylerJ does. Even after I pointed it out once, he continues to do it.

I've definitely got my eye on ckillor, but

Vote: TylerJ

I will attempt a full re-read soon and post my thoughts on more players.

Need evidence for ‘luking in plain sight’. When I say something is scummy, I am attempting to scum hunt. And still I ask, how is this a scumtell?

I'm gonna try to reread tomorrow.

I don't think Tyler's arguement has helped is case. I feel like he has something to hide by playing overly defensive. For now,

Unvote, Vote:Tyler

I'll put it there to apply some pressure instead of having two people at 4, we can have 1 at 5 and 1 at 3. This will almost definently change after my reread, or if he get's to -1.

Good, you gave reasoning. One of the first reasons that don’t go along with feelings. I honestly admit that I have been playing defensively. You win with this argument. But I ask, is there anything else you see as scummy. If not, is defensiveness alone strong enough evidence. Perhaps it is, but I still pose the question.

. Also note this is pretty soon after Rishi has further 'elaborated' on his vote for TylerJ. By elaborated I mean Rishi said he thought TylerJ was scummy because he smelled really scummy.

I never claimed that this was an elaboration, just a clarification.

I already laid out my reasons why I think TylerJ is scummy. He likes to point fingers without giving much justification behind them. Also, he is leaving his options open by calling a bunch of people scummy, but barely listing anyone as a pro-town player.

It seems that you are the one pointing fingers without much justification behind it. As far as the options open stuff, that doesn’t make sense to me. The point of the game isn’t to find who isn’t scummy, but who is. Hence me not posting who I thought was pro-town.

[TylerJ]

Good argument. Really it wasn't your latest post. Just a string of posts a few days ago. In those you seemed to be digging your grave with every post.

[TylerJ]

Hmmm, I dont know what to say. Wait, here we go.

Dasquain, as far as the "why am I scummy?" part, well, that is exactly what I was thinking. I must of got my point across. Bravo me.

I'd say your defense was inadequate in some regards Tyler. But you also pointed out a lot of play that appears opprotunistic at face value.

You said my defense was inadequate in some regards. Specifically the ones I called gut feelings. But I would put those very accusations in the 'inadequate' box.

Other than that I don't really have anything new to say.

[TylerJ]

Thanks Dasquain. I honestly respect the fact that you admit that you don't have strong evidence against me. I respect your vote as well because of it. What I don't like is the fact that people pretend that I do have something against me, but never show it.

Now as far as the evaluations go, I definately got a lot out of Shaft.eds post. Max's role fishing was highly scummy. Fishing for a cop, in hopes that the mafia would kill... Perhaps this isn't a correct evaluation. But like everyone on me, nothing is 100%.

Ckillor is still suspicious to me, but when I said I was sure he was scum, I was testing for a reaction. But his inactivity is holding me up.

I find Max the most suspicious, but I won't vote for him just yet.

unvote. FoS: Max

[TylerJ]

Sorry, but to those of you who want me to claim, you aint getting it.

[TylerJ]

@chronx and Rishi, the reason why I did not vote Max is because I don't have a strong case against him, but I still find him suspicious. Hence the fact I FoS'ed him and didn't place my vote on him. This

is

protown by the fact that I am making sure my votes are at least more grounded than gut feelings. I won't play a hypocrite.

In the same thread, he buddies up to Shafted and Dasq. Reads as sympathy plea.

whatever... (what attorneys would call heresay)

The other bits of your post speak of others and isn't adressed against me.

I would like to note that I couldn't find your reason for finding post 301 scummy.

In the end I will repeat myself. Chronx, I will not role-claim. Two reasons, if you think I am scum, you wouldn't believe me. Secondly, it seems that you are mafia and are attempting to role fish. This last bit can be brought on by feelings of OMGUS, but I can't shake the feeling that you are scum and are role-fishing.

[TylerJ]

ABWOP: Part of me wants to be lynched so that everyone who decided to jump on me for lame reasons will have it backfire on them. And then, perhaps they will play the game intellegently instead of rashly. Yet, the otherside of me says that I shouldn't throw in the towel and that I should try my hardest at this game.

[TylerJ]

Why is he "obviously town"? I don't like "obvious" conclusions without explanation.

QFT. Even though you are talking about me, I don't like this post. You make both of us look suspicious. And you dig your grave farther by Role-fishing.

Now it puts me in a precarious position because if I vote you people will think I am trying to distance myself from you. If I don't vote for you, I look wishy-washy. MAN!

And what is this about 'soft-claiming'. I never claimed. I said that I wouldn't simply because If I did no one would belief me even if I said I was townie. Role-claiming doesn't do a bit of good.

In that post we've got spiteful "I hope you all pay for your idiocy, dunderheads!", mitigated with some awkward-sounding self-restraint

That is what I was feeling.

Back to panzerjager. What your doing is clearly attempting to state the obvious without stating it. So I will state it for you. You think I am a cop or doctor. But if you think I am cop/doctor, why are you being so obvious? Are you role-fishing? Or maybe you think you already know who I am. But it seems either way that you are trying to tell the scum who I am. If you are town, then you just made a horrible mistake because you caused the mafia to think I am a power role. But I think you knew what you were doing.

Vote:Panzerjager

[TylerJ]

Man, I tried posting, but it all got deleted!

Anyway. I'll try it again.

Tyler's reaction will be interesting.

You should have waited to post this, that way I wouldn't know to be cautious.
I voted Panzerjager for two reasons. First reason: OMGUS for making me a Mafia target and buddying with me. Second: I think he was role-fishing. The first reason was rash, and I was thinking about taking my vote off until I saw the other reasons people brought up. Exluding the aviatar one, I think that the reasons like him switching his opinion on me two times isn't good. When he was definately sure that I was townie and then voted for me, it looked really scummy. So because of the recent updates, I am happy with my vote and will keep it.

Now, as far as why I turned on someone who was helping me (to adress Dasquain), he did a horrible job. First, he told everyone that I was more than a town. Then he buddied with me. Not only making him look bad, but me as well. When I have a lot of votes, I don't need any help getting more.

[TylerJ]

Don't see your logic Jdodge..

And Panzer, calm down. Screaming, yelling and name calling never gets you anywhere. I got myself in a pickle because of that. You look a lot scummier with that post. And it is definately not a newb mistake either. which leaves us with what. Perhaps scum?

Why do you keep bringing up the fact that I may be Vanilla town? Sure, I would want everyone to believe that, but it seems you are trying to hint toward your scum buddies that I am NOT a Vanilla townie by saying that I am. reverse psychology. My point is, why does it matter if I am a plain townie? In truth, it doesn't matter enough to mention, which is why I am suspicious of you saying so.

[TylerJ]

Yeah, this whole thing about suddenly voting for Chronx is strange. Jdodge, the fact that you don't find Panzer in the least bit suspicious is definately raising my eyebrows. Even more so by the fact that you decide to just jump on the wagon.

Sure their have been useless and nonsensical wagons, but yours and theos seems to be the scummiest.

[TylerJ]

The whole metareason seems contrived. I will check, but still, I believe it is an excuse.

[TylerJ]

Dude I honestly hate metagaming. It seems everything is excusably by it. Still, I believe it is useful. G2G to work.

[TylerJ]

Dasq, I fail to see why ckillor is scummy for that post.

[TylerJ]

No thanks, nothing too important. I don't like people telling me what I should discuss.

[TylerJ]

Ckillor, people will end up voting for you just because of your lack of commitement. I suggest not playing so luke-warm if you are wanting to help town.

[TylerJ]

Call me oblivious, but I don't see the reason behind the Chronx wagon. After all, one of them blatantly was a 'random vote' however, I don't think it was warranted. Any one care to elabotrate why Chronx seems scummy.

[TylerJ]

GH I'm a newb and didn't sound like that. I'm sorry but you really sound scummy frosty pants. All of this is simply gut feeling. Sometimes intuition is wrong, other times it is right. I wouldn't vote for you on this reason alone though.

[TylerJ]

I'm not ashamed of myself panzerjager. I'm ashamed of you. you were suspicious because you were pointing me out as a power role indirectly.

Secondly, you should have never role claimed, even if you were just a townie. If you were townie, no one would believe you. If you claimed a power role, everyone would believe you, but you run a 99% risk of a night kill. Word of advice. If you are certain you know someone is not scum, be cautious about the way you say it. Even if you are sure, think of how it will come across.

I'm not saying that this opinion is true, but it is worth consideration. Let's say Panzer is scum, than what would he gain if he were to claim doc? I think mafia gains tremendous ground for two reasons. First reason: chances are, if you claim that the first day it is unlikely that Doc would outwardly disagree. Secondly, if the doc did, he becomes a big target for night kills. I honestly don't think mafia would still try it, or that panzer is doing it, but I like to think out of the box.

[TylerJ]

Ohh, forgot. Why did you vote yourseld FP. Last time I saw someone do that, they were mafia. I think it is because they want to kind of joke around and somehow avoid suspicion by doing something so rediculous. Also, this was done by a newbie. I'm not sure if this would go for or against the argument.

I no longer think Panzer is scum so

unvote: Panzer

.

[TylerJ]

sorry for the absence. I don't see that this game is going anywhere because of all of these replacements.

Panzer: Well, now Mafia has two targets. And it is the first day. Congrats Panzer.

[TylerJ]

I'm glad to see the game is up and running.

[TylerJ]

Good job pwayne. Still, I have yet to see why everyone is jumping on Chronx. I'll have to look it up, but so far I have yet to see a scumtell out of him. The only thing that got my attention was CA's defending against him.

No I am not defending him either. I just haven't been able to see what you guys obiously see.

[TylerJ]

Okay, I forgot about the fact that Chronx did the role pushing thing. Now that clears up things a bit. So now who are we going to target? I have to do a reread. Arrgghhh, I should have done this before.

[TylerJ]

yeah sikario, that was a weird post.

[TylerJ]

I feel like we just wasted a lot of time chasing people that aren't even scum. Of course, Panzer was so scummy that everything looks pale in retrospect. Hmmm... I was suspicious of CA earlier, but I think we know that was because he was doc. I was suspicious of theopor for providing little info and jumping wagons. He never cleared his name. Rishi seemed to fish for reasons to vote for people.

Right now though, I don't have a clear mind about any of this. It sucks because I thought we were actually finding scum, that I became blind sighted about everone else.

[TylerJ]

Tobiassen, I have a request. Can you please change your avatar. I don't like looking at a sketch of two naked people making out. So, as a favor, please change your avatar for the time being. Thnx.

[TylerJ]

I'm procrastinating right now, sorry. I've been really busy and haven't been able to do a re-read, I'm planning on doing one soon and will probably post my suspicions.

[TylerJ]

So I read all the way up until Panzer got us side-tracked.

Suspicions:

Chronx- for his role-claim push
Max-for his cop fishing
Ckillor- he was lurking, but when he did post he never really scumhunted.

This is short, but I like to keep things short and simple.

Now I have to try to memorize who replaced who.

Chronx has enough votes on him, but I don't think Max has any pressure for his role fishing. I'm thinking about placing my vote there.

[TylerJ]

Chronx has enough votes on him, but I don't think Max has any pressure for his role fishing. I'm thinking about placing my vote there.

On the other hand, because of the deadline, maybe it would be best to place my vote on Chronx. Is his replacement Lordy? If it is, he just got another vote, in which case I wouldn't want to vote him just yet.

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Honestly I just feel more jumbled. I guess it is because I am tired. But reading the analysises I added Dasq and I think Rishi on my list.

I like the bit about Dasq and Chronx being a team. I'll have to consider it. But as a disagreeing note. The reason why we thought Chronx was suspicious was because he wanted a claim. Dasq wanted the same thing, so for Dasq to find him suspicous for that would be hypocritical. But they could have done this working on a team (double the pressure).

If lordy (chronx) turns out to be scum, I will know who to at least consider.

So not only do I have someone to vote for that I already think is scummy. I also have something to go off of depending on the result.

All this to say

Vote:lordy

[TylerJ]

Tobiessen seems to just be making newb mistakes. In the matter of the few months that I have participated on this site I have seen three newbs vote for themselves. His vote for claimed Doc could stem out of the fact that he lost track of the replacements. I too find myself forgetting who is supposed to be who. I'm just glad I didn't make the mistake of forgetting and then voting for the Doc. Well, actually I did do the forgetting part, but not the voting part.

I am not saying he isn't scum, nor am I excusing his actions. I'm just putting my two cents in. Take it or leave it.

Now was it Dasq that wrote that I was taking an opportunistic vote? Whoever it was, I have to say this. I was already suspicious of lordy (Chronx). It is just that I was weighing between voting for Max or Lordy. So my voting him wasn't based off of the input of others. Merely, it helped me see an advantage of voting Chronx rather than Max. Shaft.ed mentioned that perhaps you two are scumbuddies. If he turns out scum, I wouldn't be absolutely sure if you are too. But at least it would help with determining your alignment at least some.

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mentioned it twice Jdodge. Form of brainwashing? Oh, well I knew someone was going to mention that. Like I said, I just wanted to add my two sense.


All I'm saying dasq that is if lordy is lynched and comes up scum, I will know who to at least look at more intently. Of course it isn't a set in stone case that if he is scum, you are too.

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I will ask again tobiassen to change your avie

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While it is true that you were the only one that gave a case against Lordy, I should say this. Your reason for voting him was because of his push for a claim. Just because you gave the evidence, doesn't mean that me and others are voting for no reason. It was because I agreed with your stance that I voted. It is true that I didn't use my own case, but I didn't vote without reason.

You seemed to accept my evaluation in post 653, but I should play devils advocate. Could it be that they both pushed a claim as a team forming double pressure. Again, I am not saying they are a team, but I am playing devils advocate in an attempt to look at every possible solution.

As far as my opinions of Dasq, I only find him slightly suspicious at best. So far I wouldn't give a second thought about voting for him with the current evidence.

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ohh, and forgot. While I do believe that ckillor is scum, I wanted to wait till he either got more active or was replaced. That is why my vote isn't on ckillor.

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yeah tob, post something of actual content I'm being persuaded more and more that you are scum and not just a newb, you don't even try.

Note on Jdodge. I can't reference a game, but I played a game with Jdodge before when he provided no Reasons for voting. He didn't once scum hunt. Town lynched him and he was a town. This could be a scam that he uses to esape the radar when he is scum, I don't know. All I know was that he wasn't contributing at all in the game and he came up town.

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The little part about you being harmless tob isn't ture, even if you are innocent, you are a liability in the fact that you don't provide much content.

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he'd be clueless while following other people's suspicions and voting for the person most likely to get lynched (in this case, lordy).

That seems more like scum than townie.

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I agree with Korlash, just because no one counterclaimed doesn't mean it is true. Doc could be either stupid or he could just be wanting to continue his helpfulness and then claim later. But I am not agreeing with him on his stance that sikario isn't doctor either. I don't really know. I would like to think he is doc, but it could be a smooth and lucky claim (which I admit is extremely rare).

Which is what the quote was saying... IF Tobias was doing that, he WOULD be scum. Since he isn't doing the above, rishi thinks tobias is more likely town. Right rishi?

No... It is a fairly common instinct... Town or mafia... Self preservation.

Well these posts cleared things up a bit.

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I think rishis and korlashes apologies were genuine despite the strangeness of it all. This doesn't mean that I don't find either of them suspicious. As a matter of fact I have thought rishi suspicious throughout this game, but not enough to place my vote there. And ckillor/Korlash have hit my suspicion list too; more ckillor than Korlash though.

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I also note tobs reaction and sikario surviving. I will have to do a reread around late day and those who were killed.

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Well now that everyone said they are here, get caught up and play. I would have to agree with sikario about the lack of contribution that tob has given to this game. I hadn't really thought about it because he kind of escaped my notice. I guess you can say "lurking in plain sight".

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Well... It isn't that it hadn't crossed my mind, it was that I didn't pay much attention to it when it did. So I didn't miss it, I just didn't think much of it. So when I said it escaped my notice, it wasn't entirely true.

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I don't favor the claim. It leaves the cops with less to work with before they are outed at night. And their will be so many multiple claims that finding scum would be more of a mess. If everyone else agrees with it though, I will go along with it. But I just want you to know that I don't agree with the verdict.

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I'm liking the idea now. But keep in mind that the cops might not even know which one they are. Maybe all they know is that they are a cop.

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So I don't think we are going with mass claiming. But to find scum, well, do I have to do another reread! Tob seems the most scummy, simply because of his lack early lack of contribution. I kind of forgot about that, but I should do a reread on him, and see if he actually scum hunted. On the flip side, I don't find him scummy enough for a vote.

[TylerJ]

^^^ That really helped me out. When you seperated possible town and possible scum into different groups I noticed something interesting.

Whith pauses of activity in the game and many replacements, I have kind of lost my direction and past convictions. But I noticed that everyone that you had in the scum group I have found suspicious one time or another except perhaps aioqwe. Everyone in the town group, other than rishi, I haven't found anyone else in that group suspicious.

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I realize I have been agreeing a lot with people in this game. Rishi thinks I am scummy because of it. But I haven't started agreeing with people so blatantly without scum hunting until now. For a few reasons. I have a lot to do, all of the replacements confused me and I am finally getting my grip on the game again, and because I have been to lazy to do a reread.

The reason I agree isn't because I am scum, but because I just agree. In fact, if you think I am agreeing to stay unnoticed, perhaps you should look up my statement about me finding all of the people shafted suspected suspicious as well. Before he ever made that post, I had at one time or another found each on except aquiowe suspicious.

Now, next thing on my mind. I realize that this is purely gut feeling and thus has little relevence to it, but I can't help shake the idea that rishi and tob are scum buddies. Rishi, the way you adressed tob in your analysis hit my scumdar, And then, as I read further down, you continued to bring up tob, as if you were trying mask and cover up you two.

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pwayne is it too much to ask why you find me suspicious?

Crap, here I am agreeing again. Your statement about the doc is really weird. Even though logically I see your point, he isn't a hinderance to the town. It would be a major hinderance to vote a protown player rather than scum.

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okay, fair enough.

Actually Rishi, that connection is stronger than a typical townie connection. And if you are partners, of course you are going to have anti-town statements about your partner. After all you don't want to be dead obvious.

I honestly wouldn't mind to see Rishi or Tob in the gallows. Tob is more of an end game trouble than rishi so I will vote him.

vote: Tobiassen

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waiting for others to participate...

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Nice OMGUS vote tob. Without much reason I see.

As far as pwayne being fine with voting me, well.. I gave my defense and If you still think I'm scum I'm fine with that. Just as long as I don't have too many votes, one potential vote isn't going to make me sweat. Still, I find a slight irritation in you finding me scummy.

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I know. That's why it's slight. You see, Someone accuses you of being something your not, you tell them that you aren't and they don't believe you. I'm not to agitated about it.

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just waiting for the hammer.

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I didn't say anyone should hammer yet, I just said I was waiting for it.

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And Claus, my post that you quoted was in regards to Dasq's post, not yours.

I also didn't regret voting for panzer, as he seemed to be an evident scum at the time.

Also, aqiowe dosen't make as many contenless posts as tob does. he also didn't vote for himself. So, reading the two, I still find that Tob is the best candidate.

What is it that makes aquiowe scummy?

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Yeah why isn't he participating that much anymore?

[TylerJ]

Excellent defense, Although, you should participate more. I honestly think your defense was better than the accusation, and the accusation had me thinking.

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Lurking when the pressure's on ya?

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Reading up

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Sorry about the waite. It's been hectic. Unplanned hectic, so it came w/o warning. Dasq should claim first. Although I could care less what he says because I assume him to be mafia.

[TylerJ]

Cop

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I assume that is everyone. I missed one day. But the second one I got Rishi as innocent.

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I had forgotten I was cop during night one and was also absent from the computer during that time. This is why I missed the first investigation. I made sure I didn't miss it again. Rishi could still be guilty, and my two top suspects were Dasq and Rishi. Rishi turned out innocent in the investigation, so I I have a stronger belief that dasq is, despite his claim.

Dasq, you find me suspicious on my claim? Nice... Look at all other evidence and see who is more scummy. With that little tidbit, I'm almost certain your scum now, you just hope chance works in your favor.

Did the other cop die?

Here is some evidence why you should believe my claim. I knew that Mafia and cops didn't know if they were A or B because I was never told myself. I also got extremely aggitated at panzer because he thought I was cop. It was said that I soft claimed and I did, but I was afraid that mafia would see that and attempt to kill me so I said I didn't. I also refused to claim outright earlier in the game because I didn't want mafia to kill me. If I was a regular townie, I would have claimed. If I was mafia, I would have claimed townie as well. But I didn't claim at all. Because I was a cop and didn't wan't to be a sitting duck to the mafia when there is only one Doc.

[TylerJ]

On the first day I was going to investigate sikario because I didn't want the town ignore a potential scum. after the secon day however I didn't see the point because I believed his claim and didn't want to waste an investigation.

[TylerJ]

A bad idea. I wouldn't mind lynching Dasq of course, but to kill a cop will kill the game for us. I would vote for dasq but it is up to the town to decipher which one is the actual cop.

[TylerJ]

ahhhh! The thrill to know that your only hanging on by slight indecision can drive you insane. Of course that is what makes this game fun.

Okay so theirs only one cop. Then

Vote: Dasq

. Dasq I have to give it to you, You have some talent in this game. I just hope your luck comes to an end.


As far as more breadcrumbs, I didn't leave anymore. I only left some in the first place in attempt that someone would see it and get off my back. Panzer saw it, unfortunately he basically yelled it out. Then again it could be fortunate for me now... I have written my case, and I know the decision is hard for the town, but your going to have to decide some time.

Also, Dasq your right you didn't leave bread crumbs, How could you? You were to busy trying to look town, to act cop would have been idiocy because you would make yourself a target to mafia, and cops would corner you. However, you saw that now was the best time to change your act to a fake cop.

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Just waiting... Can't think of anything to add at the point...

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Rishi I got an innocent on, but I could just be the wrong cop who would get an innocent read. So rishi is still in my suspect list.

Obviously formost though is Dasq for his impossible claim of Cop.

Shaft.ed seems the honest townie. Analytical and and the most motivated scum hunter.

Claus, despite the fact that I may want to distance myself from him right now, I think he is innocent. Nothing from him has hit my scum radar. You might be wondering why I don't find claus scummy... Well it seems that the only reason people think he is scummy is because of his potential scum buddy. I in fact no that that isn't true, thus there isn't any other reason for me to suspect him.

Aioqwe-possible scum simply by seeing others less scummy than him, (IE ran out of possible townies).

And Shaft.ed, out of my three top suspects, Dasq, Rishi, and Aioqwe, I also find that the best link would be Dasq and Rishi.

[TylerJ]

Tyler and shaft.... lol! Sorry couldn't help but laugh, honestly that came out of nowhere.

[TylerJ]

I think dasq is....

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shaft.ed What questions are you talking about.

[TylerJ]

Crap! I was gone during the 27th through 30th. Man. Okay, I will get a reread on both of you soon.

[TylerJ]

Actually it does... I am the worst cop ever! Stupid holidays...

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The moment of truth. I have always thought that shaft.ed was a townie. And I had been suspicious of Groinhammer before he was replaced.

And while your point is good Claus, shaft.eds was better and seemed less of a contrived reason.

It's a fifty-fifty and I don't see the point in me bringing up the points that I saw and have them argued. So without further ado

Vote:Claus

[TylerJ]

Apologies... Shaft.ed you were really good. I had no clue you were scum whatsoever, I didn't believe that you bussed your scumbuddy. Not that I didn't think you would do that, I just didn't believe you were scum.

You guys probably think I am an idiot, but I was strongly set that shaft.ed was town. I thought Claus acted townie too, but not as much. I don't think I would have been convinced other wise