Open 44 - Twofold Mafia: GAME OVER! before 506

[TylerJ]

Ohh, forgot. Why did you vote yourseld FP. Last time I saw someone do that, they were mafia. I think it is because they want to kind of joke around and somehow avoid suspicion by doing something so rediculous. Also, this was done by a newbie. I'm not sure if this would go for or against the argument.

I no longer think Panzer is scum so

unvote: Panzer

.

[shaft.ed]

I think he's just been reading the discussion thread about self voting and thought it was a thing "cool people" do.

[theopor_COD]

Replace me please, I've just got no time for mafiascum at present, apologies.

[PJ.]

Tyler, you arepossibly the worst mafia player i've ever come across except for Frostypants. Honestly, I didn't point you out has a power role. If anything, yo're gonna get a mafia kill for pushing this so hard, meaning you're a power role and I was wrong.

My plan was to protect you at night, instead you pulled a IronMan and forced me to out myself at the expense of my own life to save yours which is now going to assumed as a newbie power role. What is so wrong? Once I called you town you shoulda shut the fuck up like a good boy and let me protect.

Anyway, I would prefer a GH lynch or a Dasq lynch over chronx but chronx is just fine.

[Dasquian]

Panzerjager: you have a shitty attitude. TylerJ may have made mistakes (although I don't really think he did make any huge ones), but you're just being a dick. Please stop passing out judgments from on high and blaming everyone else for the fact you had to claim.

So, your plan was to get TylerJ targetted by the mafia so your protection was effective - but since there are two mafia, if your plan worked

too

well he still dies. Bravo, I bet he feels really silly now that he's not your sacrificial lamb. Also, get over yourself - it

was

suspicious when you buddied up to him so hard. Your pro-town plan looks like a weird scum gambit because there isn't much distance between that and a weird town gambit.

Anyway. I'm going to

vote Max

. I really am not loving the ChronX bandwagon (nor do I really understand it, so a reread is due), but Max has been lurking big-time (last posts: 409, 343, both with minimal content).

[Frostypants]

I think he's just been reading the discussion thread about self voting and thought it was a thing "cool people" do.

No actually I was trying to see your reactions.
But it was a stupid thing to do. xD
Because I haven't really gotten anything except 'o_o;'s and What the.. ' xD

Unvote: Frostypants

Tyler, you arepossibly the worst mafia player i've ever come across except for Frostypants

xDDD
I do admit I shouldn't of went into here without going into a few newbie games, so that does make me quite the idiot

[Rishi]

No actually I was trying to see your reactions.
But it was a stupid thing to do. xD
Because I haven't really gotten anything except 'o_o;'s and What the.. ' xD

Unvote: Frostypants

And what did you expect people do say or do after you voted for yourself? Did you think the Mafia would jump on the bandwagon or something?

[aioqwe]

I can't decide whether FP is newb or scum... I'll wait...

I'm re-reading the argument against chronx, and doing general re-reading...

I'll post more content later... I need to finish some school work tonight...

[shaft.ed]

This games gotten quite slow. I'll repost my reasoning against ChronX and personally see if I think it holds up (it's been a while since the vote).

Dasq, are you happy with your policy decision?

Panzer, you are playing just as bad if not worse than Tyler IMO. You were at L-2 with most people forgetting about the wagon (Dasq was the only one even talking about it) and you decided you 'had' to claim. That's just stupid especially as you're the most vulnerable power role. Now you go on telling everyone even more implicitly that you think Tyler is a power role. Great playing there.

[Dasquian]

I'm not really happy with how it's played out here. How could I be? The plan wasn't to out the doctor. The plan is

never

to out the doctor, it's just an accepted risk of, well, playing the damn game. I stand by the policy, but that's going into the realms of non-game-specific Mafia theory.

I still think it's important that, if there is a willing quorum to lynch, the bandwagon doesn't dissipate because of lack of cooperation from the target. It does seem that in this case, perhaps there weren't an extra two people willing to bandwagon Panzerjager and so he didn't need to claim; personally I felt that that was the way it was going and a claim was due, but I could've been wrong.

[PJ.]

Replace Me. I have to cut atleast one game due to new job.

[shaft.ed]

wow, I didn't realize this was called two-fold mafia because everyone would be replaced by the end of D1.

Dasq that's the second time we've had an opposing view on the status of a wagon. I guess I'm just a wagon half empty kinda guy while you see the wagons being half full.

[Dasquian]

5 out of 7 isn't exactly half-empty

Serious question: did you think the Panzerjager wagon was about to collapse, and under what circumstances would you have thought him claiming would be appropriate?

[shaft.ed]

5 out of 7 isn't exactly half-empty

Serious question: did you think the Panzerjager wagon was about to collapse, and under what circumstances would you have thought him claiming would be appropriate?

Actually Dasq if you look back at the time of the claim it was 4 out of 7 that's close enough to half since votes can't be split

So yes the wagon was already collapsing. I think after the JDodge/ChronX dust up both wagons were destined to fizzle. I obviously don't have the experience you do, but I find premature claiming and asking for claims prematurely very scummy (I've already called out ChronX in this game). I think L-1 is the appropriate time for a claim. Anyone swooping in for a lynching vote after a claim should know they are going to get lynched the next day unless they have a good explanation.

And since ChronX is still being replaced I guess I'll

unvote

. It's not like his replacement is going to be able to explain anything (they never do).

Need to reread again. Looking at ckillor, Rishi and Dasq.

And everyone can we pick up the posting a little bit?

[shaft.ed]

EBWOP: Also I don't mind if the claimer asks people to move the votes down to L-2 for safety reasons before claiming, I just find that without an obvious consensus for someone's lynch claiming gives the mafia more information than they need.

[Dasquian]

OK, I see where you're coming from. Personally I find waiting til L-1 to be far too late because it's too easy for someone to come in and drop the last vote, either as a scum gambit or (far too frequently) as an unobservant/careless town. If the person turns out to be, eg, the doctor, it's pretty disastrous.

[somestrangeflea]

Replacement-ville

ChronX - 3 (Rishi, panzerjager, ckillor)
Panzerjager - 2 (groinhammer, ChronX)
ckillor - 1 (theopor_COD)
Max - 1 (Dasquian)

Not Voting - aioqwe, Max, TylerJ, Frostypants, shaft.ed

12 alive, 7 to lynch, 4 at deadline.

theopor_COD, Panzerjager, Max have all requested replacement. =(

That being said, lordy replaces ChronX. Wave to the lovely people...

[shaft.ed]

wow, that's a lot of replacing. Thanks for all the work finding these guys SSF. And thanks to the replacers past and future.

[shaft.ed]

OK, I see where you're coming from. Personally I find waiting til L-1 to be far too late because it's too easy for someone to come in and drop the last vote, either as a scum gambit or (far too frequently) as an unobservant/careless town.

If the person turns out to be, eg, the doctor, it's pretty disastrous

.

That line seems to cut both ways.

I'm thinking ckillor is the most scummy player yet to be replaced.

vote ckillor

But man I don't even know if a reread is even worth it right now with a third of the town turning over.

[somestrangeflea]

ckillor has been prodded (2).

[Dasquian]

That line seems to cut both ways.

That was my point. Wasn't it better that what happened happened, instead of getting him to L-1 and then, eg, ckillor or Max dropping a hammer vote?

[shaft.ed]

That line seems to cut both ways.

That was my point. Wasn't it better that what happened happened, instead of getting him to L-1 and then, eg, ckillor or Max dropping a hammer vote?

No. I don't like my Docs claiming at L-3. Notice that L-3 is exactly the number of votes that scum control right now. While it would be obvious, they could theoretically drive bandwagons until the other two power roles are outed.

And if ckillor or Max dropped a hammer, I'd have to wait and see if they come up scum before I'm upset with the result.

[shaft.ed]

EBWOP: I found another reason to call this two-fold mafia. Because only two people are posting.

[ckillor]

with the hammer vote discussion. im just a little confused as to where you guys think i could drop a hammer if i was going to, because im already on the chronx(lordy now i guess) vote, which unless im mistaken, is the current highest bandwagon.

[TylerJ]

sorry for the absence. I don't see that this game is going anywhere because of all of these replacements.

Panzer: Well, now Mafia has two targets. And it is the first day. Congrats Panzer.