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In post 3059, Garmr wrote:In post 3058, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3053, Garmr wrote:who ever is shooting from shooting him again.
what makes you think anyone is shooting him?
The way his acting about his claim makes me feel like something made him panic.
It's obviously a fake-claim, I think the panic is coming from people being familiar with him voting him. Although I've never heard of a mod telling someone that they've been shot when BP.-
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In post 3078, reinoe wrote:@Boonskiies
Were you really trying to draw a NK by claiming 2-shot bulletproof?
@Thor
Who's scum?
@Flubber
Who's town
@Goodmorning
Why's Thor scum?
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In post 3065, TierShift wrote:I'm gonna say this: if boon flips SK, garmr is scum.
I don't understand how this works. How could you determine SK/Mafia associations? If you've successfully done this before can I get a link?
The davesaz scumread I have seems to be similar to the reasons Flubber is being scumread. I haven't ISO'd Flubbernugget yet though.
Also could someone ask me some questions? That'll help me get a better understanding of the game.-
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In post 3177, TierShift wrote:In post 3175, reinoe wrote:I don't understand how this works. How could you determine SK/Mafia associations?
Only mafia who know it's not multiball could see boon's 2-shot bulletproof as a SK slip, as I've laid out.
But it's not uncommon for SK to be 1-shot bulletproof or full bulletproof. 2-shot bulletproof isn't a stretch to be SK at all.-
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In post 3179, TierShift wrote:so...you're assuming boon truthfully claims his role as SK?
If he's already pm'ed the mod and know he's immune to cops sure why not? He's immune to gunsmiths. His BP claim will look legit to rolecops. A SK can last a long time in a large by just being UTR and by claiming BP he can avoid scum kills. My concern is that he claims BP in order to draw a NK. That makes 0 sense even from a VI p.o.v. It's all WIFOM but I want Boon to explain it with an excuse besides "oh yeah I'm a VI lolz". Town BP have every incentive to deliberately draw kills. That's literally a town BP's job. Attempt to draw a NK. Now I'm not sure how someone actually does that but "herp a derp I'm VI lolz" is not one of them.-
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In post 3200, Boonskiies wrote:If I was a SK, why the hell would I try to draw the NK's? I'd want other people to die.
Boonskiies, all I'm asking for is for you to explain why you claimed 2-SHOT BP, with an explanation besides "I'm a VI lolz".
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In post 3225, Boonskiies wrote:@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.
TBH, I'm done pushing the issue. Your answer's not satisfactory but I will hope you eventually get tired of playing the various variants of "hey I'm just no good at this". I hope you realize that...
1)sk is almost always bulletproof
2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.
p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.-
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In post 2837, Slandaar wrote:If you want a serious response: TSO is town because I liked a couple of his points on Anen even if they were shot down they are town arguments. Town arguments are quite wild and unique a lot of the time. Scum tend to use safe arguments.
Lets take GM her argument on Thor is tone. (I would use Shiro but ha you have to wait) You can't accuse her for her argument it's so safe. And that is her only argument. Then take this scumslip look how safe she is. She is trying to say she wanted input on it as she was unsure. Town just accuse of a scumslip, kind of what Boon is doing with his posting.GM has taken the safe 'I better not push this without everyone's approval' stance.
Slandaar, the stuff in big bold red text doesn't make sense to me...As exemplified by GM's voting patterns, I don't see here trying to wait for anyone's approval before making a case and voting. "Tone" may not be something you agree with but if it's something that she's faking, couldn't she fake that kind of accusation on literally anyone? But furthermore why would she use it as an excuse to be the first person on a wagon when you say she wants everyone's approval? That doesn't make sense? Wanting everyone's approval and trying to start a wagon are opposite things.
In post 951, Aegor wrote:Votecount 1.8
[7]PeregrineV:Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
[1]--->Thor:goodmorning <---
It's just that the vote counts don't correspond with your statement about GM that I can see. I wholeheartedly admit that I may have missed some things but can you show me the post or posts where it appears that Goodmorning is waiting for consensus? It looks more like she sees something and has been pushing it for two days, and wants other players to see that thing.-
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In post 3364, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe: that was regarding the IZ slip not the case on Thor.
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Thor's hop on Iza was gross.
Guys, Muffin was town. Let's not ignore the implications of that. The things he was pointing out had 100% motivation. His stuff on Thor seems true.
Upgrading my read on Dave. He's null.-
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In post 3489, reinoe wrote:Thor's hop on Iza was gross.
Guys, Muffin was town. Let's not ignore the implications of that. The things he was pointing out had100% motivation100%TOWNmotivation. His stuff on Thor seems true.
Upgrading my read on Dave. He's null.
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In post 2883, Thor665 wrote:In post 2881, TierShift wrote:Thor, how would you feel about an iza lynch?
The townread in question is boon, right?
1. I would not oppose it and would probably be mildly supportive of it.
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Only mildy in support of. Ok.
In post 3226, Thor665 wrote:In post 3223, Izariael wrote:Oh... sorry. I thought you said a simple yes or no response would suffice. I must have misunderstood.
It did suffice - I just thought you would be happy to cram answers into my face in order to help out the guy you agree with in getting the answers he claims to want/need.
No?
An antagonistic interaction instead of inquiry. "It's good enough but I'm also going to sling mud".
In post 3232, Thor665 wrote:
So - further emptiness and inability to discuss my devilishly difficult questions of "I think I never said the things you're saying I said"
Okay.
An attempt to discredit. Again, why all this for someone you're mildly in support of?
In post 3246, Thor665 wrote:In post 3241, Izariael wrote:In post 3236, Thor665 wrote:@Iz - make me the offer, force me into the exchange of info. Call me on my bluff.
I see no need to do so. I was merely an observer of the discussion at hand until I indicated that I liked Muffin's stance on it. From my perspective, you were unable to refute Muffin's line of questioning, andare now resorting to pulling others into the discussion with the intent of straw-manning the entire accusation.
Cool.
I would like to state that I find your actions, vote, and support of the "issue" on me to be empty, weak, and nonsensical.
I feel this response from you proves it as so.
Others may assess as they wish.
I expect similar from Tier and Muffin, honestly.
They can feel free to excite me and prove me wrong.
We now know Muffin is 100% town. Highlighted stuff in bold text is a good observation.
It seems like you're voting for people who may be the most skilled/experienced at noticing you're only trying to discredit/belittle the people presenting arguments towards you. Instead of just clarifying things you're trying to double down on crappy explanations.
With the vote on Muffin and then the vote on Iza it looks like you're just voting people who are rightfully pointing out the errors in your play. But what really is getting me is the way you're trying to discredit instead of clarify. Especially the quantity vs quality argument. That looks like pure goalpost moving.-
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In post 3503, Thor665 wrote:In post 3498, reinoe wrote:Again, why all this for someone you're mildly in support of?
You do realize that I was "mildly in support of" his lynch - right?
You are basically noting that I attacked someone I did not town read and supported the idea of lynching and then acting like that's weird.
It's bad wording. I tend to do that in the morning. I still didn't get the impression that your read on Izariel was sincere.-
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In post 3513, Thor665 wrote:In post 3512, reinoe wrote:It's bad wording. I tend to do that in the morning. I still didn't get the impression that your read on Izariel was sincere.
Why do you have that feeling since I just dismantled your entire presented list of reasoning - is it gut, or is there other evidence now that my meaning has been clarified?
Hey phone posting. Thor is scum.
He "dismantled" the part that was a typo and literally ignored everything else.-
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In post 3597, Thor665 wrote:
Wow, the Thor *lynch*? Wooosh, GM, aren't we going with wishful thinking.
In case you didn't notice, the Thor *wagon* (much less the lynch) is dead in the water now. People are starting to notice the reasoning is slim to none (or slim to dumb - hot'cha!) and others are starting to establish that they want to hear and understand the case before voting it, so the wave of derp and scum voters is already over.
Why are you boasting that the wagon on you has stalled? The wagon formed on you totally legitimately. Furthermore there's something like 8 days left in this DP. Totally legit reason for a wagon to stall is because people want to observe interactions and ensure that the day doesn't end unnecessarily quickly. Also if you flip scum, the reason why the wagon could be stalling would be because one or more of your buddies is running interference. Your "this wagon has stalled" excuse is poor.
Also to re-emphasize the point...Muffin is conftown and was highlighting many of the things other players have pointed out and mentioned.
Town/=right...
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Town=genuine/honest/sincere
You've repeatedly tried to denounce or discredit the people voting you but the case on you is solid.-
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In post 3600, Thor665 wrote:In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Why are you boasting that the wagon on you has stalled?
Well, I'm not boasting about it - but I am stating my belief - and why is it an issue that I am? Why would it be an issue if I was boasting?
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:The wagon formed on you totally legitimately.
Well...sure, all wagons do, because if they are formed illegally the mod should do something about it.
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Also if you flip scum, the reason why the wagon could be stalling would be because one or more of your buddies is running interference.
There is already interference being run - are they my scumbuddies or no?
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Your "this wagon has stalled" excuse is poor.
It's not an excuse - it's a statement.
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:Also to re-emphasize the point...Muffin is conftown and was highlighting many of the things other players have pointed out and mentioned.
So?
In post 3599, reinoe wrote:You've repeatedly tried to denounce or discredit the people voting you but the case on you is solid.
No - it is not.
Describe the case on me please. I think that will showcase my point.
1. Because I'm starting to come around to GM's "tone" argument.
2. Another attempt to discredit by wordplay.
3. I'm not doing associatives pre-flip, hence the "if". Stop trying to twist things plz.
4. Ok it's a statement. I still don't like it. And I still don't like how you're trying to manipulate words. You're trying to make some sort of connection between "illegitimate" and "illegal" now? Really?
5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.-
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In post 3640, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3637, Izariael wrote:In post 3626, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.
@reinoe
FirstPlease show me where Thor portrayed it as scummy. (He didnt)
Axle, did you miss this?
In post 3202, Thor665 wrote:It is scummy, stupid, and annoying.
Thor is very clearly indicating that he found it scummy.
nah morebecause this statementdidn't think about them
In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.
is in the present tense and is a claim about now.
Reinoe appears to me to be appealing to the authority of a flipped towny.
Saying the case cant be scum because a flipped towny agreed with with it ...
Hey flipped PereV thought Thor might be scum too, but thats irrelevant as I didnt like his argument either.
Reinoe needs to justify the argument not the people who supported it when they were alive in the game.
I don't need to justify anything to someone who doesn't think about relevant points of the game and casually dismisses the opinion of other players. But I will so that other players can hurry up and vote near obvscum Thor and we can get a lynch on that shit...
I experienced firsthand the things Muffin described...
1)thor's misleading comments
2)thor's effort to try and discredit the person instead of the argument.
3)thor's weird wordplay
Stuff about Axxle...
3) Axxle's misleading WTFuckery. Muffin made a case. Lot's of people agree with it, myself included. Thor tries to claim the case is scum motivated when we know conftown was pushing it.
4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best. Instead of acknowledging it he just claims he never even thought of it.
So yes I'm going to "appeal to the authority of a townie" because Thor is trying to claim the push on him is scum motivated when it's clearly not. Axxle is willing to lie/overlook relevant points that contradict what thor says in order to defend Thor. Furthermore, Muffin didn't just agree with the case on Thor...Muffin pushed the case hard. Axxle is trying to make it seem like Muffin was on the sidelines saying "oh yeah I agree" which was not the nature of Muffin's push at all.-
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In post 3669, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3661, reinoe wrote:4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best.
--->Nope i never claimed that,<---
In post 3637, Izariael wrote:In post 3626, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.
@reinoe
FirstPlease show me where Thor portrayed it as scummy.--->(He didnt)<---
Axle, did you miss this?
Thor is very clearly indicating that he found it scummy.
Tonight's episode of America's Funniest Home videos is titled...When Whiteknighting a scumbuddy goes wrong: AxleGreaser Edition-
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Why leans-town Dave instead of obvscum Thor?-
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In post 3777, TierShift wrote:
because thor is not really scum.
regardless of his alignment,there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now.Who is it, according to you?
1) Why is thor not really scum?
2) Why is Dave somehow scummier than thor?
3) How do you know the stuff in red? Thor's wagon looks towny therefore I can't be sure who's the scum on it.-
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In post 4004, Scripten wrote: and with Thor's claim, her case on him is just not looking good.
Phone posting. Everyone who Reads the above section of scripten's post should have major major problems with it.
1) Firstly Thor hasn't actually claimed shit. He's comment about being a PR is less than useless.
2)Scripten is using Thor's non-claim to push Gm. He ignored Muffin's 100% confirmed town status and his push on Thor. How are you going to use someone's non-claim to push a case while Ignoring conf-town's case on someone else? That's bullshit.
3) the case on Thor is solid.
4) there's a lot of flurry going on to find a credible counterwagon to Thor. Wtf is this shit.
Ebwop: Josh that Fonz wagon is doa. If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.-
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In post 4015, Thor665 wrote:In post 4014, reinoe wrote:3) the case on Thor is solid.
Remind me what it is again - because I'm still pretty sure everything I've heard is 'playstyle'.
You can hear what you want, but what's been said and what you choose to hear are not the same thing.-
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In post 4006, davesaz wrote:<Dave thinks some in the shower>
CLICK!
VOTE: goodmorning
Reason: Gamestate ephiphany
Thor, how certain are you that GM is the right player to wagon at this time? Just a sniff, rock solid, somewhere in between?
Could you go into some details about the game state analysis epiphany.-
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In post 4048, Aegor wrote:Votecount 2.12
[5]Thor665:goodmorning, Izariael, reinoe, Flubbernugget, davesaz
[3]Josh_B:Scripten, AxleGreaser, Slandaar
[2]Flubbernugget:Nero Cain, The Fonz
[1]Boonskiies:T S O
[1]davesaz:TierShift
[1]goodmorning:Thor665
[1]reinoe:Boonskiies
[1]Slandaar:Shiro
[1]The Fonz:Josh_B
[1]Not Voting:beastcharizard
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline:(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)
Mod Notes
TierShift V/LA until Sunday
Boonskies, Nero Cain, T S O prodded.
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In post 4088, Thor665 wrote:In post 4086, reinoe wrote:Six vanity wagons!!! What a display of hubris!
There's only five now.
You should be pushing the Thor wagon more.
I already know the agony of trying to bang my head against the wall in the face of unexplained defiance from town. Plus many of the vanity wagons are lurksacks to boot.-
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Boonskiies wrote:I got to the point that I wasn't going to be NK'd for the sheer fact I'd always be an easy mislynch.
This is bullshit. I suggest everyone read Boon's games. He's almost always read as VI town. And hardly ever gets nk'ed or mislynched.-
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thor's obvscum. He's been softclaiming all fucking day which is why I totally buy into goodmorning's "tone" arguments. He has a fake-claim all lined up.-
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In post 3837, reinoe wrote:In post 3777, TierShift wrote:
because thor is not really scum.
regardless of his alignment,there's at least 1 sucm on his wagon now.Who is it, according to you?
1) Why is thor not really scum?
2) Why is Dave somehow scummier than thor?
3) How do you know the stuff in red? Thor's wagon looks towny therefore I can't be sure who's the scum on it.
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In post 4192, Thor665 wrote:I don't think I'm hammered and found it comical to watch people acting confused.
If I am I wish you all to have to read my posts for my reads.
I'll claim at hammer intent.
Guys this is a scum claim...
Doesn't know if he's hammered or not but doesn't post final thoughts.
While not explicitly denying town info, saying "my reads are in my other posts" is inconvenient.-
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Oh is this about that awful minimince I game?-
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In post 4211, Slandaar wrote:No.
The one with Bob/Elyse etc and were lynched D1. That is obviously what he is talking about.
OK...
In that game I was a vanilla townie but fake-claimed nurse when there was three days left...
In that game Boonskiies fake hammered me on D1.
I got pissed off and said fuck it Elyse and Hiplop is scum and boons is also scum for hammering without intent. Then I said I was going to bed.
People said that I should post a full reads list instead of going to be and I said no.
People accused my reaction of being "fake" because a real townie would have given a full reads list instead of going to bed.
Then I came back later and posted a reads list but without reasons.
Then I got hammered because nobody was moving votes even though lots of people were calling hiplop scum (and he was). P.S. Elyse was also scum and Boonskiies, Slandaar and I were all town in that game.
There are some important differences though...
1) I claimed my role without saying "I'll claim if there's intent". I just claimed so that people could discuss etc and not have to worry about deadline.
2) I still posted "final thoughts" on three players, just not a full reads list. thor admits that he might have been hammered but still posted no information for town.
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3) Hiplop claimed Jailkeeper even though he was a scum roleblocker.
I've provided a link in case anyone wants to check what I've said.-
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goodmorning wrote:Literally though
1-Shot JK is totally a Scum PR for when the Scum investigative finds a Town PR
literally
that shit is not a fucking town pr
In post 4226, reinoe wrote:
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3) Hiplop claimed Jailkeeper even though he was a scum roleblocker.-
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So I take it this is everyone's first actual mafiascum game besides goodmorning and myself?
Welcome to mafiascum everyone. Now I understand that this is apparently everyone's first mafiascum game so just go ahead and sheep me and GM for great justice.-
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In post 4371, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 4366, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4362, AxleGreaser wrote:It saves you having to actual claim scum intent on anything you read.
This is also false. I have scum reads, I posted them in my last list. I know you know this 'cause you quoted me.Mostof my reasoning is in thread or in my pt so if you knew I had scum reads why would you lie and claim that I don't? And if you didn't know/understand something. Why not just ask?
and yet with all those scum reads and reasons you claim to have
In post 4356, Nero Cain wrote:Me being willing toPL Thor 'cause I'm unsure on him=//=my belief in how hard/easy he is to lynch.
you wan to PL Thorbecauseyour unsure on him
You may be selling this stuff but i am not buying it.
If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...
1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered
Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation. The stuff coming from Nero feels townie. Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.-
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Josh_B wrote:
Also this...
In post 4014, reinoe wrote:If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.
Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.
How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?-
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In post 4483, reinoe wrote:Josh_B wrote:
Also this...
In post 4014, reinoe wrote:If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.
Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.
How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?
EBWOP: Also thor was also pushing GM at the time. Again, if you think the GM push is scum motivated am I wrong in thinking that you should be putting your vote on thor? After all...
thor was pushing GM+JOSH thinks the GM Push is scum motivate=josh' vote should be on thor who doing things scum motivated.
Is the above equation wrong? Are you saying you think thor is town but axle is not? Please elaborate.-
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In post 4391, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That Smurf was not town.
You kind of keep latching on to this.
We have played gams where I was town.
Are you honestly claiming I don't "discredit" like that when town? I don't think there's even remote support for that stance.
TBH, I don't think I've ever played with you as town. I'll have to check later.-
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Josh_B wrote:In post 4514, AxleGreaser wrote:@Josh B
Please clarify what pointing fingers means, and whether or not it is under the assumption ... if GM flips town/scum (or is independent of that).
pointing fingers=FOS. I am scum hunting off the Invisible GM wagon. I just came out of a GM scum game, and even though I got hosed by town reading her in that game, I can already see huge differences in her playstyle from that one to this and I'm giving it a solid town read.
I'm including the fact that the wagon itself is made up largely of indirect claims and very little direct votes, which is also indicative of town slot.
Phone posting...
Josh is already leaning town and making that shitty and obvious wagon on garmr look even worse.
Could someone be a dear and cross-reference the players who voted Josh with the players who are scumreading GM?
I can do it when I get home in like 8 hours but I could really use the assist.-
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@thor...
I played with you when you were scum more recently in mini 1584. You were scum in that game. You'll forgive me for having a better memory of that game since it was more recent. Also I ended my participation in that game with dramatic flair.-
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In post 4529, T S O wrote:that sounds like you were modkilled which really would not surprise me
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In post 4533, Scripten wrote:In post 4531, goodmorning wrote:
Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.
This is pedantic. It does not help your case on Thor.
Josh_B:Where do you stand on Garmr's reads/play? You're a more coherent player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.
Why are you asking one player to judge the actions of the previous slot holder? What sort of information can be gleaned from this?-
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In post 4595, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4585, AxleGreaser wrote:To my way of thinking that should still be troubling to you.
Yet now somehow this is not problem, Now. When Josh does not to me actually look like he will get lynched, now you vote him?
So....you are saying that I am scummy 'cause I didn't vote Josh with my scum reads and that I'm also scummy for ignoring that now.
In post 4586, AxleGreaser wrote:because it is PLing a player that just wont play.
So? You should NEVER do that (as town) its one thing if you are being suspicious of him for not playing but to just lynch him for not playing is a horrible reason.
In post 4586, AxleGreaser wrote:You have no policy for the people you say you want PL, you just have a list. A long list.
I think if you were actually reading instead of skimming/posting random things just to which to call me scum you'd find this untrue.
If the Dave lynch goes through and he flips town that will now be two mislynches you've been on. Why should we believe you are town?
Calls Thor scum on d1.
downgrades Thor but is still suspicious of him.
votes scumread Flubber.
doesn't get any traction on Flubber so I move my vote to a viable lynch (Thor)
Sorry but that makes perfect sense. And you fussing about it doesn't. *shrugz* I still think you are being upset over the fact that I attacked you.
In post 4593, AxleGreaser wrote:There is still a chance for me that you are town and are right and Thor is scum
^^^^^
this very much looks like him setting up for a potential Thor lynch.
In post 4592, Thor665 wrote:What do you think I am doing that is 'bad play' specifically?
misreading me for 1!!! We had 3 days to deadline. Getting you to claim and move the game along was the correct play. If you want to OMGUS attack me like you did in Inyusa then fine but you are wrong and should stop doing that.
Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?-
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In post 4616, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4596, reinoe wrote:Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?
I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim. (its null and wifom.) I know that JK is a common scum rb claim. So what specifically makes you disbelieve his claim?
I most certainly don't believe his claim. As you've already mentioned JK is a common scum RB claim. Here's where all of a sudden I'm finding you dicey...
1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.
4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?
5)If thor is telling the truth then he's now nothing more than a named townie. Is it worth running up someone else who may be a PR?
6)thor would have been a HUGE information lynch. Look at how divisive everything around him is/was. From the way the wagon formed to how he was defended. Huge amounts of information that we could have looked over. There were counter-wagons and everything.
7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor because you wanted to "look townie" even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?-
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In post 4621, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4620, Thor665 wrote:2. I do not see what players hopping off of my wagon due to a claim has to do with rolefishing.
anyone else that gets wagoned and is looking at the lynch is being forced to claim. Its the same the Ren is arguing but he's accusing me of running others up when I didn't.
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In post 4624, AxleGreaser wrote:Right now you are interpreting those events as scummy
In post 4617, reinoe wrote:7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thorbecause you wanted to "look townie"even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?
Not very long ago you said
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...
1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered
Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation.The stuff coming from Nero feels townie.Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.
I would be be a lot happier if it was easier or even possible to make those two posts line up and agree with one another.
Wow, it's almost as if a shift in the game state caused a shift in opinion. Remarkable huh? Strange how something like that happened. It's like Nero Cain did something that did not have a townie feel to it at all and I made a 7 point post explaining it...-
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In post 4645, AxleGreaser wrote:@Flubber
@Scripten
@GM
@beast
@anyone else voting for Nero.
If reinoe has not clarified it before you get here
You really ought have look at 4636 open the spoiler to see reinoes change (reversal) of position that he has since said is due to changed "game state"
It may by the time you get here all be a storm in tea cup as Reinoe may have explained what I cant see.
But have a look Ok?
No I am not trying to speed wagon Reinoe, but it makes the nero lynch look quite unsafe to me.
In post 4626, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 4625, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 4623, Thor665 wrote:it was a really gakked up progression and makes no sense.
and I agree I saw gakked up stuff.
I have realised this unclear, this ^^^ was me agreeing with Thors post to the extent that I saw gakked up stuff in Neros read progression.
You understand it but you want to throw suspicion my way anyway.
"sometimes townies do things that don't make sense".
"sometimes scum do things that don't make sense".
You've got to differentiate between scum motivation and town motivation. Yo, Axle this isn't hard to understand and I think you're feigning confusion to throw suspicion.
Your scum-buddy thor understands it so I'm sure he'll explain it to you in your scum QT tonight.
@IZARIAL
Hey remember that one time Axle lied/overlooked the "thor never called the wagon scummy" comments? Yeah, I'm seeing the same inauthentic push here like I saw there.-
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In post 4655, AxleGreaser wrote:You have not answered the question and explained what chnaged about the game state, and how that effected your interpretation of events but somehow was not
(as far as i cant tell contained in the 7 points)
Please explain that.
A player claimed a PR. This isn't hard to understand. Are you really always this bad?
"My interpretation of events" is that Nero Cain's behavior towards thor at L-1 did not have a town motivation. It's not confusing unless you're awful.-
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Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you respond to my very important question please.In post 4638, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you vote dave with me please?
No, not voting dave.