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Post Post #4600 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:09 pm

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Ugh, I hate this. I'm not scumreading Dave or Thor enough to want to see them hang. If we can't hang the Garmr/Josh_B slot, can we lynch beastcharizard? It's done nothing but evasive, active-lurky BS. That's more likely scum than any of the three leading wagons, IMO.

UNVOTE: Josh_B
VOTE: beastcharizard
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Post Post #4601 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:14 pm

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In post 4581, Slandaar wrote:
The only valid votes now are:
Dave
Josh
Boon


I am going to say in 12 hours will be the final 2 wagons. The smallest wagon of the three currently Josh will be invalid after that point.


To avoid you having a conflict of interest and as the mod just posted a vote count.
Spoiler: VC
In post 4598, Aegor wrote:
Votecount 2.16


[5]
davesaz:
Thor665, Josh_B, AxleGreaser, The Fonz, Shiro
[4]
Thor665:
goodmorning, reinoe, Flubbernugget, davesaz
[3]
Nero Cain:
Boonskiies, T S O, TierShift
[2]
Josh_B:
Scripten, Nero Cain
[1]
beastcharizard:
Izariael
[1]
Boonskiies:
Slandaar

[1]
Not Voting:
beastcharizard

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline:
(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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Slaandar your vote/wagon are the weakest link. You have to (by your rules) move?

I do feel obliged to point out
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davesaz:
Thor665, Josh_B, AxleGreaser, The Fonz, Shiro
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Josh_B:
Scripten, Nero Cain
[1] Slandaar
at best only makes 8.
however impressive effort you have
pushed
lead the way to a 5 vote lead wagon, on someone who is likely to flip scum.

As opposed to paranoia based/tone/(mumble mumble)/policy/(revenge for PereV?) lynch.
Well done so far.

So you folks in the spectator vanity wagon seats really ought stop playing it (scummily)safe and pony up an actual choice who you want lynched.

PS. much as I loved the concept of an NC wagon lead by Boon and TSO, that means you too. Vote for a viable wagon. You guys have done and are doing squat to drive that lynch, it would be more honest if you simply unvoted and showed you were openly doing nothing to get anyone lynched, but were merely waiting out the day.
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Post Post #4602 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:15 pm

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oops nija'd
Scripten jumped ship captain
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Post Post #4603 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:17 pm

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LOL (I love the plans of mice and men)
actually now you are screwed as two wagons are tied.
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Post Post #4604 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:19 pm

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In post 4603, AxleGreaser wrote:LOL (I love the plans of mice and men)
actually now you are screwed as two wagons are tied.

may I suggest using the plurality voting rules?
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Post Post #4605 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:21 pm

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In post 4600, Scripten wrote:Ugh, I hate this. I'm not scumreading Dave or Thor enough to want to see them hang. If we can't hang the Garmr/Josh_B slot, can we lynch beastcharizard? It's done nothing but evasive, active-lurky BS. That's more likely scum than any of the three leading wagons, IMO.

UNVOTE: Josh_B
VOTE: beastcharizard


may I suggest that if you had rowed the garmr/Josh B wagon harder when it was at 4 and I was voting it...
we would not be here?
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Post Post #4606 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:25 pm

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In post 4387, Scripten wrote:Alright, so here's what happened in the thread:


So earlier TSO indicated he had told the hood he would post a case today.

Is that the case?
I dont see that in your summary?
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Post Post #4607 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:33 pm

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22 hours to DL.
Hurry up, slandaar, iza and beast. Put those votes to use.
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Post Post #4608 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:33 pm

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In post 4605, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4600, Scripten wrote:Ugh, I hate this. I'm not scumreading Dave or Thor enough to want to see them hang. If we can't hang the Garmr/Josh_B slot, can we lynch beastcharizard? It's done nothing but evasive, active-lurky BS. That's more likely scum than any of the three leading wagons, IMO.

UNVOTE: Josh_B
VOTE: beastcharizard


may I suggest that if you had rowed the garmr/Josh B wagon harder when it was at 4 and I was voting it...
we would not be here?


Well there was something that happened midway through the case being pushed. You know, when Garmr replaced out? Pushing an empty slot is pretty uncool, and I don't feel comfortable doing it.

In post 4606, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4387, Scripten wrote:Alright, so here's what happened in the thread:


So earlier TSO indicated he had told the hood he would post a case today.

Is that the case?
I dont see that in your summary?


The summary was in context of my discussion with Nero Cain. I don't think I transcribed everything that happened in the quicktopic.
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Post Post #4609 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:35 pm

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Dave, you're the leading wagon with <1 day to DL. If you've got a big claim, better claim it now.
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Post Post #4610 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:06 pm

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In post 4608, Scripten wrote:
In post 4605, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4600, Scripten wrote:Ugh, I hate this. I'm not scumreading Dave or Thor enough to want to see them hang. If we can't hang the Garmr/Josh_B slot, can we lynch beastcharizard? It's done nothing but evasive, active-lurky BS. That's more likely scum than any of the three leading wagons, IMO.

UNVOTE: Josh_B
VOTE: beastcharizard


may I suggest that if you had rowed the garmr/Josh B wagon harder when it was at 4 and I was voting it...
we would not be here?


Well there was something that happened midway through the case being pushed. You know, when Garmr replaced out? Pushing an empty slot is pretty uncool, and I don't feel comfortable doing it.

yeah that is a point of view. And I don't like it either, as its rude to the guy(human) coming in. But we are not exactly frothing at the mouth with viable wagons and counter wagons this game. So in some ways is the rep outs problem?
I really wouldnt want it to favorable to the rep out slots wincon to rep out, is another thing I weigh.
but Ok. That is POV. (As maxwell smart would say: sorrry bout that)


In post 4606, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 4387, Scripten wrote:Alright, so here's what happened in the thread:


So earlier TSO indicated he had told the hood he would post a case today.

Is that the case?
I dont see that in your summary?


The summary was in context of my discussion with Nero Cain. I don't think I transcribed everything that happened in the quicktopic.


and so in that case I am asking (to dot i's and cross t's) if he actually did say he would post case on Anen in the quick topic?
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Post Post #4611 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:38 pm

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In post 4610, AxleGreaser wrote:yeah that is a point of view. And I don't like it either, as its rude to the guy(human) coming in. But we are not exactly frothing at the mouth with viable wagons and counter wagons this game. So in some ways is the rep outs problem?
I really wouldnt want it to favorable to the rep out slots wincon to rep out, is another thing I weigh.
but Ok. That is POV. (As maxwell smart would say: sorrry bout that)


FYI: that (being fair to the human who filled the slot I pushed while it was vacant) is the reason for
Hi and crack of light
A fair shot at getting up to speed fast.
Me giving the new guy the info he needs if he is (in the less likely to me case) town and really chasing something.

Spoiler: will (in event of untimely death)
SO @thread don't tomorrow, mistake, or be conned into thinking that was a large change of read. (if Im dead)


and yeah now I look is you pushing when Josh has replaced in. my bad. oops again.
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Post Post #4612 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:08 pm

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VOTE: Dave

I'll be around tomorrow. This does technically mean the official lynch list is now: Dave/Josh although realistically it's just dave...
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Post Post #4613 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:53 pm

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Votecount 2.17


[6]
davesaz:
Thor665, Josh_B, AxleGreaser, The Fonz, Shiro, Slandaar
[4]
Thor665:
goodmorning, reinoe, Flubbernugget, davesaz
[3]
Nero Cain:
Boonskiies, T S O, TierShift
[2]
beastcharizard:
Izariael, Scripten
[1]
Josh_B:
Nero Cain

[1]
Not Voting:
beastcharizard

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline:
(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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Post Post #4614 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:15 pm

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I won't vote dave but I would vote Nero or beast.

However, Thor needs lynching.
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Post Post #4615 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:54 pm

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In post 4609, TierShift wrote:Dave, you're the leading wagon with <1 day to DL. If you've got a big claim, better claim it now.


We're talking about Thor tomorrow.

This shit is pissing me off.
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Post Post #4616 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:50 pm

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In post 4596, reinoe wrote:Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?

I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim. (its null and wifom.) I know that JK is a common scum rb claim. So what specifically makes you disbelieve his claim?

So Thor. You are arguing that rolefishing is scummy. Why ignore Tier wanting Boon to full claim on d1 and all the players that jumped off of you as soon as you claimed?

In post 4599, AxleGreaser wrote:You do realise there is not currently a serious proposal to lynch you today.

:nerd:

but I'm fairly certain there was.


You could instead be trying to get your best plausible scum read lynched.

With less than a day? That's not going to happen. And weren't you just fussing at me that it was scummy of me for voting Flubber and not consolidating. Now you are telling me that I'm scummy for consolidating but not voting my biggest scum read.

Nothing you are saying makes ANY sense. If you really want me to respond and debunk your bad arguments then I will.

In post 4605, AxleGreaser wrote:may I suggest that if you had rowed the garmr/Josh B wagon harder when it was at 4 and I was voting it...
we would not be here?

I see that you are giving Scripten a freepass on what you just called me on.

Why did you not vote Beast?
What is your case on GM?
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Post Post #4617 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:12 pm

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In post 4616, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4596, reinoe wrote:Nero, did you believe Thor's claim?

I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim. (its null and wifom.) I know that JK is a common scum rb claim. So what specifically makes you disbelieve his claim?

I most certainly don't believe his claim. As you've already mentioned JK is a common scum RB claim. Here's where all of a sudden I'm finding you dicey...

1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?


5)If thor is telling the truth then he's now nothing more than a named townie. Is it worth running up someone else who may be a PR?

6)thor would have been a HUGE information lynch. Look at how divisive everything around him is/was. From the way the wagon formed to how he was defended. Huge amounts of information that we could have looked over. There were counter-wagons and everything.

7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor because you wanted to "look townie" even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #4618 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:22 pm

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thor's not getting lynched today unfortunately and to hell with that davewagon...
VOTE: Nero Cain
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Post Post #4619 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:26 pm

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In post 4617, reinoe wrote:I most certainly don't believe his claim

ok, I never said you did?

In post 4617, reinoe wrote:Is it worth running up someone else who may be a PR?

no but its not like I ran anyone else up.


In post 4617, reinoe wrote:7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor because you wanted to "look townie" even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?

In hindsight, I should have just hammered Thor. But I think the right think to do was to not hammer right away and give the rest of the players a chance to talk.

But don't you think your anger is displaced? I mean, there were a ton of players that unvoted thor?

srs, your vote blows.
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Post Post #4620 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:36 pm

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In post 4609, TierShift wrote:Dave, you're the leading wagon with <1 day to DL. If you've got a big claim, better claim it now.

I actually do not support this.
I'd rather get it to L-1, at least, for a claim.

In post 4614, goodmorning wrote:I won't vote dave but I would vote Nero or beast.

However, Thor needs lynching.

Hint: Thor isn't happening by any stretch of the imagination now, not even via deadline pressure.
So, y'know, live the life and get your vote in play?

In post 4616, Nero Cain wrote:o Thor. You are arguing that rolefishing is scummy. Why ignore Tier wanting Boon to full claim on d1 and all the players that jumped off of you as soon as you claimed?

1. His claim was theoretically about confirming multiball, and is something he offered as a thought - I can understand wanting that discussed and it is markedly different for voting a non-scum read to force a claim.
2. I do not see what players hopping off of my wagon due to a claim has to do with rolefishing.
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Post Post #4621 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:42 pm

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In post 4620, Thor665 wrote:2. I do not see what players hopping off of my wagon due to a claim has to do with rolefishing.

anyone else that gets wagoned and is looking at the lynch is being forced to claim. Its the same the Ren is arguing but he's accusing me of running others up when I didn't.
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Post Post #4622 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:49 pm

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In post 4621, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4620, Thor665 wrote:2. I do not see what players hopping off of my wagon due to a claim has to do with rolefishing.

anyone else that gets wagoned and is looking at the lynch is being forced to claim. Its the same the Ren is arguing but he's accusing me of running others up when I didn't.

misrep.
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Post Post #4623 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:54 pm

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I agree with Reinoe, he's actually pressuring you on an issue I agree with - it is odd that you went from 'hammer intent - claim' to 'I'll clarify I just wanted to force the claim' to 'Thor is the scummiest player and I'm voting him now'

it was a really gakked up progression and makes no sense.

Beyond that, I fail to understand your point - requesting a claim from someone you intend to lynch barring a claim is not the same as rolefishing. They are different and have different goals. You openly admitted to rolefishing - I don't even understand why you have an issue with me saying that's what you did - you already admitted it was. The only question is whether it was scummy intentioned or not. I find, paired with your follow up actions, that it is scummy.
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Post Post #4624 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:45 pm

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Right now you are interpreting those events as scummy
In post 4617, reinoe wrote:7)Basically it looks like you didn't hammer thor
because you wanted to "look townie"
even though you had multiple completely justified reason to do so. I admit I definitely wanted thor hammered and lynched because I think he's scum. The question is why DIDN'T you want thor hammered?


Not very long ago you said
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:If Nero was serious about "lulz policy lynch thor" then he could have...

1)declared thor's claim fake and hammered.
2)FAKE cc'ed
3)pretended he wasn't paying attention to the VC and derphammered

Like sometimes townies do things that don't fucking make sense. Boons in every game. Some of the stuff coming from Dave and Flubber. The difference is trying to determine if there's scum motivation or town motivation.
The stuff coming from Nero feels townie.
Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That shit was not town.


I would be be a lot happier if it was easier or even possible to make those two posts line up and agree with one another.
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