NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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Shameless theft, this.In post 10, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, can we make a truce until day 3? Best friends: neither of us suspects the other until day 3, we don't kill each other until day 3 if scum (or at least fight hard for an alternate kill if they really want to kill our slots that badly), we don't play dirty with power roles until day 3. I think it will be most to our benefit if we are both town, but if one of us is scum, I think it will work to the townie's benefit. Do you agree?-
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Seeing fferyllt is sort of like seeing the Budha on the road.In post 18, Generic wrote:OK, I have to ask this, but is fferyllt a real person?
I only ever see them in hydras, I have a theory they are a dummy account people can use to create theoretical hydras because they have no friends... Natirasha, im looking at you here-
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You spelled my name in full. Scum tell.
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Meta fail.In post 45, MC Maraca wrote:Mastin did it better.-
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In post 86, MC Maraca wrote:Official town block application form v1
I,Natirashaam applying to MC Maraca's AwesomeSauce Town Block. My townreads are:
talah, because he hasn't posted.
roflcopter, something about repentence.
BROseidon, for doing something.
MCMaraca, so I can nightkill them tonight.
Generic, because he likes spouting lies on the internet.
Not f-16 because he promised me a full meta report on site chat and I need him to give him reason to give me one.
I think I am a good fit for the townblock becauseyou need a jester.
Attached is my payment,fferylltmade payable to MC Maraca.-
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traitorIn post 97, geists wrote:In post 86, MC Maraca wrote:Official town block application form v1
I,Natirashaam applying to MC Maraca's AwesomeSauce Town Block. My townreads are:
talah, because he hasn't posted.
roflcopter, something about repentence.
BROseidon, for doing something.
MCMaraca, so I can nightkill them tonight.
Generic, because he likes spouting lies on the internet.
Not f-16 because he promised me a full meta report on site chat and I need him to give him reason to give me one.
I think I am a good fit for the townblock becauseyou need a jester.
Attached is my payment,fferylltmade payable to MC Maraca.-
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BRO if you can't tell when I'm posting by now you never will.In post 104, BROseidon wrote:ffery is that you?-
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He enjoys himself more and is more wheeeee MAFIA! when he's scum.In post 114, BROseidon wrote:
Can you get a schtick like mollie has to make it easy to tell you apart?In post 111, geists wrote:
BRO if you can't tell when I'm posting by now you never will.In post 104, BROseidon wrote:ffery is that you?
Also, what's your opinion on MC?
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1414 and 1416 have some important addenda.In post 123, MC Maraca wrote:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5132727In post 116, BROseidon wrote:
YesIn post 113, MC Maraca wrote:
I still use the syryana guide to fferyposting. Need a link bro?In post 111, geists wrote:
BRO if you can't tell when I'm posting by now you never will.In post 104, BROseidon wrote:ffery is that you?-
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Then you better check your ffery-models for updates.
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Dude.In post 135, BROseidon wrote:In all fairness, MC is obvtown.
pedit: It's not a model thing, it's an "I'd expect you to have noticed something" read.-
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My reasons for thinking F-16 might be town.In post 172, MC Maraca wrote:
What was this in reference to?In post 170, geists wrote:I could be really misreading something. There's an aspect or two of mafia that I really, really suck at.
I'll table it for now.-
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Officially calling this a bogey and doing a minor reset on F-16.In post 177, MC Maraca wrote:
I'd rather you air it, actually. Or will it mean we're walking through your line of investigations?In post 175, geists wrote:
My reasons for thinking F-16 might be town.In post 172, MC Maraca wrote:
What was this in reference to?In post 170, geists wrote:I could be really misreading something. There's an aspect or two of mafia that I really, really suck at.
I'll table it for now.
I feel the itch to meta something, but I'm still absurdly short on sleep. Maybe tomorrow.
In other news, I'm considering a townbloc open door policy for your in-thread masonry . There absolutely won't be any of that vodka gatorade crap. Perhaps some sriracha vodka could be arranged.-
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Best I ever did at MS was posting a correct and serious townread 22 posts into a game. I usually have some tentative reads within 4-5 pages in a mini or micro sized game. It's more variable the larger the game.In post 199, KoreanBBQ wrote:Somebody talk to me about fery's pace when it comes to reading people.-
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You've picked three players whom I don't read quickly.In post 202, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:ffery, what are your reads on Cabd, Brian, and Pitoli?
I have strong reason to think that Cabd is town. Or he's gambiting, but I don't see the scum spin on what he's doing right now.
Awkward entrances are not a scum tell for Brian. Nor are they a town tell. I'll take my time to form a read on Brian. From what I remember in a recent meta dive you also badly misread him not too long ago in a game.
Pitoli has slow, tentative starts in mafia from what I've seen. She has a huge run of town games at MS. I was one of the players in her scum game. I tried to apply her scum meta in the Walking Dead game and came away with an erroneous scum read. I went after her at the start of day 2 shortly before she replaced out. IIRC Metal Sonic replaced her, and was lynched a few days later. I'd gone back and forth on that slot since day 1, but if memory serves didn't vote MS on the day he was lynched.-
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Who is this?In post 217, KoreanBBQ wrote:How long do you usually take to read me?
If Nero's doing his usual things I can read him pretty quickly. I've never played with scum-Nero, though, so when I feel like his game doesn't seem quite the usual, I default to null or null/scum until the read finally firms up. It will be interesting to finally play a game where he's scum one of these days.
If GiF is doing his usual things I also get a read on him pretty quickly, but I footnote the hell out of it because I have a bad habit of townreading him when he's scum.-
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Is this to me?In post 226, KoreanBBQ wrote:So why do you think I'm voting you
I don't know and right now I don't care. If you're town, I trust you'll eventually see something that tells you I'm town. So far, you've never stayed wrong, though there was that one game where you stayed wrong long enough that Nacho and I would have been lynched if Syr wasn't asleep!-
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Almost got you too.In post 243, MC Maraca wrote:Nats-
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I blame the bourbon.
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Doesn't really matter what Mara and Cabd look like. I'm accepting that they are town barring proof otherwise.
What did you think about the exchange between Mara and Ceph?
What do you think about GM?
And what are your thoughts about Brian? I think it's too soon to try to sort him. F-16's comment about in thread tells is intriguing, but I feel like proceeding with caution.-
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You should probably take an "Intro to Ffery-posting" class". There are a few professors in this game.In post 272, Generic wrote:
Btw f16, this post has given me a pause on my geists read. I don't like this post at all.In post 219, geists wrote:
Who is this?In post 217, KoreanBBQ wrote:How long do you usually take to read me?
If Nero's doing his usual things I can read him pretty quickly. I've never played with scum-Nero, though, so when I feel like his game doesn't seem quite the usual, I default to null or null/scum until the read finally firms up. It will be interesting to finally play a game where he's scum one of these days.
If GiF is doing his usual things I also get a read on him pretty quickly, but I footnote the hell out of it because I have a bad habit of townreading him when he's scum.-
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Hi.In post 297, Generic wrote:OK, now i see what you mean, did i use 'he'?
If you want to differ the response to the head who put you in the shit in the first place that's fine, but my vote is standing so i would have a chat with your partner at some point before she makes matters worse for you both.-
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You invoked me, and I'm here. I assumed you wanted back and forth, not a wall.
The early pages of a game make me think of a pack of dogs checking each other out, sniffing butts, etc. They hold still for a moment, and then either they bare teeth and growl, or the ears go back and they're friends. This game, for whatever reason, I feel like I'm first in line to be checked out and I'm putting up with it in fairly good humor so far. I stress "so far" because overall my mood this weekend is pretty stormy, and that's going to bleed into most if not all of my games.
I''m not sure if it was Nero or GiF who asked the question about how quickly I read him. I kinda think Nero. The stuff of reads comes under my personal heading of "arms race". Unless I am actually making a case for someone being town or scum, I don't get very specific about exactly how easy players are to read or specifically what I"m looking for in players I am familiar with.
Also, both players know me and know how accurate my reads have been historically. GiF knows me quite well, given the number of games we've played, including our hydra games. I'm not giving him anything more than I must in terms of how to go about getting townreads from me. He's already too good at it. There are a couple of recent games where I townread him when he was scum. Though in one, he was hydraing with Nacho, and the townread had a pretty high nacho component. :/
Anyway. Any player who asks me in the early game how easy they are to read is going to get handwaving and bullshit when I'm town. When I'm scum, I might actually make something plausible up because it's the easier, less attention-attracting path.-
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Snark is pretty much one of my signatures as a player. Nacho has some theories about how the nature of the snark correlates with my alignment, but I feel like it's actually a moving target atm, and is always pretty context-specific.In post 324, Generic wrote:In post 322, geists wrote:You invoked me, and I'm here. I assumed you wanted back and forth, not a wall.
1. The early pages of a game make me think of a pack of dogs checking each other out, sniffing butts, etc. They hold still for a moment, and then either they bare teeth and growl, or the ears go back and they're friends. This game, for whatever reason, I feel like I'm first in line to be checked out and I'm putting up with it in fairly good humor so far. I stress "so far" because overall my mood this weekend is pretty stormy, and that's going to bleed into most if not all of my games.
2. I''m not sure if it was Nero or GiF who asked the question about how quickly I read him. I kinda think Nero. The stuff of reads comes under my personal heading of "arms race". Unless I am actually making a case for someone being town or scum, I don't get very specific about exactly how easy players are to read or specifically what I"m looking for in players I am familiar with.
3. Also, both players know me and know how accurate my reads have been historically. GiF knows me quite well, given the number of games we've played, including our hydra games. I'm not giving him anything more than I must in terms of how to go about getting townreads from me. He's already too good at it. There are a couple of recent games where I townread him when he was scum. Though in one, he was hydraing with Nacho, and the townread had a pretty high nacho component. :/
4. Anyway. Any player who asks me in the early game how easy they are to read is going to get handwaving and bullshit when I'm town. When I'm scum, I might actually make something plausible up because it's the easier, less attention-attracting path.
1. You are preaching to the choir on that one, I am mr emotional play, ask natirasha on that front. So if you feel like getting snarky with me go ahead, just be prepared for me to bring similar back if im on a dark cloud day :p
I could have, but this isn't just about answering them (or in this exchange, just about answering you). I'm putting down some data about my approach to the game for players who don't know me that well.2. OK, that sort of explains the vagueness of the response. I would point out I agree at such an early stage in the game full reads on people are pointless and you can only get gut reads or leanings at best (even worse that most of the day so far has been RVS)... It was however only a question of how quickly you read them rather than what your read currently was so you could have just left it at 'fairly quickly, will tell you when I have something of note on you'.
I guarantee I'll have an emphatic read on them well before this game day ends. I hope it's also an accurate read.3. Again this is good to know and seems from the heart, but completely irrelevant to the situation you were answering at the time. These guys who know how accurate you have been in the past have asked you how quickly you read them and you didn't just answer that but create a series of get outs that covers you in case you are put on the spot over it later.
Because that's how my thought process works. And because as I mentioned in answer to your (2) I'm not answering this only for you.4. THIS is closer to an actual explanation, and does begin to explain the comments of others pointing to my lack of play time with yourself... Why bother with 2 and 3 when 1 and 4 would have covered a starting point to our discussion?
Maybe. I'm a pretty un-self-aware player in terms of understanding specifically what I do that leads to particular players townreading or scumreading me. I play in body-of-work mode. I don't expect someone to read a single post and think TOWNTOWNTOWN. I make up for it with trajectory, mostly. Except where it doesn't make sense, I keep my stances pretty transparent. Though incoming stance changes sometimes aren't well telegraphed, they are usually well-formed once they hit the thread.Laughably I actually am starting to think you ffery and I have similar mindsets with regards to mafia games and how we approach them/post in them... I wonder if that will translate into a better understanding of eachothers mindset as we move forwards.
It depends on where in the thread a comment like that happens. I do tune in when I sense hedginess in an actual read. But, ability to read is something that's verifiable either via other players, or via meta dive if I think it's research-worthy. And it depends on whether Mara objects to the statement.Answer me this as best as you can. If I had posted the following would you have raised an eyebrow:
"I think I can get a good read on Mara because I have played many games with her and generally can tell her alignment withing the first day or so... but then again I usually misread her scum games as town."
Because that above is me basically saying I can read Mara but only when she is town... and therefore basically always townread her. And that's exactly how your comment on GIF felt.
And that's probably the main driver to why I said what I said the way I said it. Nero knows that I've never played with him when he was scum. he knows I usually get a decent townread early unless there's something that seems off about his game. He also knows that until I figured some things out about his town game I was by default scumreading him, and I actively pursued his lynch during the first game day of our first 2 games together. If I were to express confidence that I'll easily spot scum-him I'd expect him to challenge me.
Same with my comments about GiF. If they aren't accurate or at least defensible, then I expect him to take me to task.-
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Strongest off notes since Buzzword, Nacho. "Nope!" doesnt' offset that.
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Your focus on Brian.In post 346, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Where are my off notes?-
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Give me some time to work through it. I may be off base, but Nati also thinks Nacho is looking scummy.In post 351, Cephrir wrote:I don't feel like there really is that much anti-Brian sentiment flying around?
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You actually need mara's posts to read them?In post 353, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.-
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In those terms, because of stuff he's not doing. We've talked en hydra about what is different in his town vs scum machinations.In post 357, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Yes? Cabd forming a town block with himself in the center early game doesn't exactly seem like something that's unlikely to be coming from Cabd-scum. Why do you disagree?In post 355, geists wrote:
You actually need mara's posts to read them?In post 353, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.-
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I think Bro reads deserve caution, but I dunno. Maybe I'm seeing stuff you aren't, or vice versa. With town-Nacho, you're usually ahead of me on reads.In post 358, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?-
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And didn't you get some questions about the original offer in the hunterxhunterx game?In post 356, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
I don't think Brian has a tendency to look weak early game. I thought there was clear motivation in F-16s opening to stay alive to sort out Nacho-scum, and I thought that it was strange Brian immediately attacked that, especially considering the mentor mentee game that recently ended which proves F-16 can read me pretty competently.In post 350, geists wrote:Specifically I'm seeing parallels with how in Buzzword you jumped on the weakness in orcinus' entrance and encouraged/supported others' reads. At least with orcinus it was a genuinely off entrance. Brian's initial posts almost always look strained and uncomfortable.
I didn't question it in thread, but I damn sure got buldermar's take on it in our hydra discussions.-
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There are two of us and we're both suspicious right now.In post 362, Casso the King of Seals wrote:1. Ffery. Let's make the same deal that F-16 and I made, minus the suspecting part.
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Nati and I will talk about it.-
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That was to f-16.In post 380, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Hiatus not needed; that was the part of the deal that didn't apply to us.In post 377, geists wrote:Hiatus good enough?
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