Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Mala

hai

[Wisdom]

I actually did, as my "hai" was to everyone!

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Yup.

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L-3, actually

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<Still at L-2

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Why wouldn't I?

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Talking about failed reaction tests then instantly doing one tends to fail as well

Pedit: don't care about it, typical rvs wagon

[Wisdom]

Why with whiskers specifically, nacho?

[Wisdom]

Why with whiskers specifically, nacho?

Is this a real question?

Obviously. Why would whiskers be your buddy in that fantasy you're describing instead of someone else who voted me?

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Because I thought it's odd that you mentioned him.

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So Matt, if you were willing to hammer me, why don't you vote me?

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@nacho
Nah, but I don't get why you'd think someone would assume two scumbuddies started an rvs wagon on them.

@Matt
I don't know, you said you would

[Wisdom]

Ah, now I get it.

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@Matt
I don't know, you said you would

I'm simply surprised you didn't consider it being a lie

Maybe I did

[Wisdom]

Why?

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You're seeing me trying different ways of playing.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: whiskers

[Wisdom]

Nacho is being quite defensive, but I think he's probably town for it.

Explain how he's being defensive. I don't see it.

[Wisdom]

I agree with your vote on Whiskers. He doesn't seem comfortable right now.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Wisdom]

Because I want to know why *you* think that.

[Wisdom]

ArcAngel

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In 90 you clearly agreed that he was defensive though, so that makes you four.

[Wisdom]

Sorry but this makes no sense, and the only feeling I get from your posts is that you're trying to be manipulative.

[Wisdom]

laughed loudly at wisdoms 89 & 90, lol...bees...that's a verb..

whiskers*

[Wisdom]

Quote please, yes.

[Wisdom]

I'd rather Mala answer that before Whiskers does.

[Wisdom]

mollie I had the feeling mala just sheeped the 'defensive nacho' belief thinking it's the cool thing to do. disagree?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

[Wisdom]

I also think one of mollie/Arcangel is scum, but not both.

Why?

[Wisdom]

Because you're scum

[Wisdom]

You sheeped the 'nacho is defensive' belief because that's what it seemed the cool kids were doing. When I asked you why you believe that, you basically answered "ask them, I don't know" and yet then you tried, foolishly, to provide an original opinion on why he was defensive in hopes of not looking scummy. But it sucks because nacho wasn't anything close to defensive.

Even your "I didn't ask grimgroove because that" thingy is you covering the case someone would point that out. You overly care not to appear scummy.

[Wisdom]

He does this litteraly every single game I'm in with him. He'll call me scum; tunnel the living fuck out of me. If I'm town I either get frustrated to the point I want to replace out or not play with him for a while or b) ignore him and hope he goes away. If I'm scum he frustrates me to the point I just don't bother responding to him and just NK him that night.

He can't and won't always be right in every single game. He needs to learn this.

Hey Mala. You said the same thing the last time I caught you.

And I asked you something.

Name one time you were town and I tunneled on you.

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To quote for everyone;

Spoiler: Last time I caught Mala

You have a tendency to tunnel me.

and being right

Not always. There has been games you were wrong.

And your tunneling in general isn't always right.

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You're still not answering.

When did I tunnel on you when you were town?

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I haven't even tunneled on you yet, so the fact you're making a huge deal out of it seems fake to me.

But sure, you're free to replace out any time. You know such threats don't work on me anyway.

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You do this to me every single fucking game and you probably get a kick out of it.

Again, this is a lie. I have never tunneled on you when you were town.

[Wisdom]

No, I just felt more sure you're scum because of personal tells.
Every time I have recently tunneled on you you were scum, so while I can see how you may not like it, I also don't see how you expect me to stop.
If you are town, show me I am wrong with your actions instead of overreacting like this.

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Why are you trying to discredit mollie's read?

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I could, if I felt he was scummier than mala.

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Isn't wiki-crawling in a theme game something that's really, really town to do?

No? And I didn't even care about it. It just sounded like mala saying some nonsense.

Also, no, you haven't played with me.

Regarding nacho. He was talking about a specific Wisdom-tell; many times I get paranoid over stupid things and push reads based on them. So he half-jokingly claimed that as town, I'd go crazy and push nacho is scum or something. It's not a tell that would apply to nacho or others, so your theory about him doing what he claimed would be wisdom-town is silly.

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mollie, read on mala?

[Wisdom]

Eh. I can see mollie and Arc being both town and doing that. Though yeah, it's worth watching how their reads on each other will evolve.

Agreeing with your points on Mala.

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I'd have found it townier if she admitted that she didn't bother to read carefully, she saw her two townreads stating "Nacho you're defensive" and she sheeped it, than what she did.

[Wisdom]

shos -

Scum

ooba -

Needs to post

Malakittens -

Scum

Wisdom
Nachomamma8 -

Maybe town

ArcAngel9 -

Town, I think

penguin_alien -

Leaning scum

Desperado -

Town

pirate mollie -

Town

Whiskers -

Leaning town

MattP -

Town

Grimgroove -

Town

Mirari -

Town

This is where my gut is standing.

[Wisdom]

Do you disagree with my points or Grimgroove's points on her?

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Wasn't that "read" just an RVS vote?

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but I need him to leave me alone and not tunnel me to a point it's not fun anymore to play this game.

okay.
Who is scum?

[Wisdom]

Oopsie daisy.
Why leave yourself out, Wisdom?

My gut doesn't have a read on myself

[Wisdom]

Change leaning scum to scum on penguin

[Wisdom]

ooba is most likely trolling and he should stop it and start posting.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguin

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Desp

You are sheeping and echoing everything I do.

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On second thought, I love what ooba is doing.

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mollie I don't want to answer for Whiskers but its pretty obvious what happened. He thought that Nacho was accusing me of not being defensive and was stating that being defensive is a town tell (in general), than faked being defensive so that we think he is doing what he stated is a town tell. What he didn't understand was that Nacho was not saying that, he was talking about a specific Wisdom-tell, about how I was not freaking out and being loud and stuff.

He is town.

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He thought (and he stated so, that's not my own thoughts) that Nacho-scum was faking being defensive because he had just stated that being defensive is a town tell. Therefore he was doing what he just stated was town, so that we think he is town.
Of course that was wrong for the reasons I said.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

penguin's last posts were a little better.

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@ooba
I get what you're saying, but given the newbie game ended recently and her logic approach did not help her convincing me at all there, wouldn't it be expected to dive straight into AtE this time around? Which she is doing.

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Not that I know. I have only played two games here and I don't think you were a player in those games. I'm just asking you too vote because ooba votes are bad.

^He answered you here, mollie.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

penguin's last posts were a little better.

I disagree. She's still doing the similar post only when called upon thing that she did when she was scum in Manical (Mastin-NY)

which apparently, you're also doing. I voted you and you popped up.

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ooba, where's the AA9 vote coming from?

Didn't you read his picture?

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but you're ignoring it and treating her like town

wat

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do I know you mirari?

I don't want this to get buried

Then why did you repost this

[Wisdom]

I said they look better, not that she's town. She's still in my scumreads.

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Then you could have reposted the question you actually wanted answered instead of this

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Anyway, /end noise.
Why are you voting ooba anyway? Looks town to me.

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k
@penguin
He stated he suspected Arc and Nacho because of an action Arc did. That was his only scumread. Why did you expect him to vote someone else?

[Wisdom]

k youre definitely not town-penguin.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguin

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mhm. Yeah, now that I am looking at it again, this whole role thing with Matt is more likely to come from town.
But I'll keep my eyes on her.

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Nah, that was a stupid thing for penguin to say. Mirari's post was null.

[Wisdom]

Fair enough.

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penguin is being more useful than most of you.

Umm.
What?

[Wisdom]

What buddying? And explain how anything penguin has said was useful in any way.

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Nah, get rid of something else and keep both

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penguin/shos/one more

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. I felt mollie was town from very early game but this tiff changes my opinion of mollie slightly. The aggression is misplaced.

Nah that's typical mollie

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Because she is town.

Trust me on penguin, grim. She is different as town.

@whiskers
It's called meta, and for many of us it's a primary scumhunting tool. You'll have to deal with it.

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Grim, you said you're not townreading shos. Are you scumreading him?

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She's distant from the game, comments only on specific things that could earn her some cred, doesn't get engaged in the more important discussions. I also think she would have been defending herself a little, especially with someone who knows her (mala) stating a confident scumread on her. Same goes for my scumread on her; I caught her in our last encounter, so I'd expect a "you're wrong this time" kind of post.

Her claim that she expected ooba to vote nacho doesn't make sense either, and I do think she makes more sense as town.

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and I do think she makes more sense as town

Didn't word that correctly; I think she actually makes sense when town unlike here.

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What is it you like about shos? Have you played with him before?

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If we use it, it means it works for us.

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Why such an overreaction anyway?

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scum-shos
catching up

I don't agree with you at all. shos is actually sheeping others' reads and try to give "original" reasons that aren't really original.
His read on Matt is completely stupid - a drop in activity is not alignment indicative, nor did he mention that scum-Matt is usually inactive.
His catchup walls are an element of his play, and are not indicative of town (see links above).
You actually seemed very confident in townreading shos in your last post, I thought you were still only leaning. That seemed a little off.

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It seems unreasonable to me; you've only seen town-shos, which means you don't know what scum-shos looks like. Why is your stance "That's town-shos" instead of "It kinda looks like town-shos, but since I haven't seen scum-shos, maybe it could be scum-shos"?

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Ok, that's definitely weird. Since when do you shoot down my scumreads like this?

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This made no sense.
You're scum, Grim, eh?

[Wisdom]

I showed you you have shos as town for reasons that are completely null and you respond with "I'll show you shos catching up as town".
wtf? Did you even get my point? I KNOW he does it as town too, that's what I'm telling you, he does it as BOTH.
I have no need for you to show me that.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Grim

[Wisdom]

In those games you DISCUSSED reads with me, you weren't all "no your reads are wrong because this this and this".

I said "okay, he clearly does not know shos and penguin enough, thats why he doesnt see what I see" but clearly you don't care to see what I see, you just want to keep saying that they have to be town at all costs, being unreasonable in the process. You're not the town-Grim I know.

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show you why I liked the CONTENT of shos' posts here.

ok, do this

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguin

I simply provided reasons for my disagreement over your reads. You haven't even addressed them (not at all in PA's case, and you missed the point in shos' case). And you're calling me unreasonable?

Your reasons are bad. You basically said "no she does it as town, she could do that as town, it could happen if she was town". Clearly if I think she is scum, I think that the way she would do certain things as town would be different.

I'm back to thinking you just don't know her or shos enough.

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The thing in bold is a stretch, I never read Malakittens' read as a confident scumread, given it was exclaimed after only two posts by PA. PA herself acknowledged considering that an RVS earlier on.

And this is wrong. Mala has stated recently she thinks this is peng-scum meta. All penguin had to say about it was 213, which is

shrugging the scumread off

instead of trying to interact with Mala.

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Mala what are your reads right now?

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It could be a possibility, but there's no way we're lynching him over penguin or shos.

[Wisdom]

@Matt
Agreeing with these 4, who are the other 3?

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5*, since you included yourself

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Why is Grim leaning scum, Mala?

pedit: And Matt

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What's more useful for you, Wisdom, me telling you you're wrong, or me trying to find scum and assuming your evaluation is ongoing?

You're not doing the latter either.
But fwiw, I do want people to try to correct me when I'm wrong. Whether I will listen to it is another story.

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248 is perfect. PER-FUCKING-FECT. works perfectly with my mala scumread.

Seriously
Look at stuff like this

This is not only not "perfect", this is only a stupid thing I came up with the time and thought it will be funny. BUT OF COURSE, it goes with your scumread, let's mention it and say how awesome it is.


How the fuck anyone can think shos is town is beyond me.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos

Let's do shos first.

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Well, he did say that his first catchup made him think shos is scum and the later ones changed his mind.

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Matt, he said he didn't like the first catchup (which would explain his post about him not being a townread) while he then liked the later ones (which happened after he had posted that).

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That was earlier when I didn't like his first catch-up, especially him asking me to explain something I already had explained, which gave me the impression he was pretending to follow. I didn't realize he was slowly going through the topic from the beginning and hadn't read myexplanation yet. Now I've got a slight townread on him, liked his latest catch-ups and reads.

^
Here, this is the answer to my "You said you're not townreading shos. Are you scumreading him?"

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grimgroove isn't scum if I go by how shos is buddying him. Unless it's on purpose.

Anyway, there's no chance I'll be supporting any other lynch after his recent posts.

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I'm not that sure about Arc and Nacho. They need to post more.

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ok maybe it's on purpose

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Matt, why do you think Arc and Nacho are town?

@Mala
Gotcha, I felt the same.

[Wisdom]

Yes, what I posted was absolutely wrong.

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k, I get it. I agree about Grim, though his interaction with me when I tunneled felt town. We'll see.

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@whiskers
No, it means Matt wants to post one-liners, and it's perfectly fine. That's not what active lurking is. He has provided tons of content and he still does.

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shos, you are obvious scum, I don't need to say anything. I will, if people are stupid, but I don't think it will be needed.

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and wisdom, please refer to 397 again. how can a 'I vote you and you all of a sudden pop out' claim be wrong when you voted him and 5 minutes later he all of a sudden popped out.

That was not alignment indicative. Mala had been fairly active, nothing like penguin. I understood that even as I was posting that.

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Good luck convincing anyone I'm not town

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Huh? I thought you just said I can't be town, now I am tunneling?

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tbh I don't like Whiskers right now, but I think he's more VI than scum.

@Whiskers
Activity means nothing. Amount of posts means nothing. What matters is quality. And Matt's posts have it. Period.

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23 - reaction test
53/57 - solid response to me acting like i didnt know it was a test (after this i knew he's town)
157 - trying to stop my tunnel on Mala, most helpful thing (to me anyway) that has happened in the thread. I hate townies that don't help me when I'm wrong.
160 - "you're right on shos, why dont you just vote him?" - once again he tries to work with me.
162 - same as 157, only the way this is done proves even more that he does not have any scum interest in trying to stop me from tunneling mala. he doesnt really care, its just a "im telling you you're wrong. if you want to listen, listen" thing.
314 - that will force Whiskers to go and argue on why shos is town, which is what everyone who is blind and doesnt see he is scum should do.

And that's not all his posts. I liked the way he expressed his reads on Nacho and Arc and it made me more sure of them. I liked his reads in general. I very much like his argument on shos, about how his posts look theatrical in some cases. I completely agree.

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see, you don't just say 'X is scum'. you say WHY you think so

maybe thats what you do

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penguin, read on shos?

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It would make more sense if penguin/Grim were scum WKing shos-town though :/

Nacho sheeping people felt a little weird, I'm too used to him being the leader. At least he agrees with the reads.

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shos' latest buddying and agreeing with everything I say doesn't feel too good. Too over the top to still be genuine.

Interesting, so you're dropping your shos townread now.

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And 222.

Huh?

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Yeah, I agree it doesn't make much sense to stop the WK at that point. I think I'll go with Grim-town, shos-scum for now.

[Wisdom]

Starting to think mollie is right on whiskers

[Wisdom]

Whiskers makes no sense, it has been pointed out, yet he continues his nonsense without caring. I am past the point where I think he's just VI.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom can't understand and has to dip his fingers into every post MattP makes,

And he is now even using misreps to make conclusions. This is done by scum, every time.

Where the fuck did I not understand something Matt said, Whiskers?

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And Whiskers, you obviously missed (or more likely, ignored) the post where I explained how Matt's posts have helped me in this game and how they actually had content in them. You ignored it and you basically echoed shos in how he does not have any content.

Is there any reason I should believe you are town when something is explained, you ignore it, and say the same things all over again?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: whiskers

@Matt
I think we might have whiskers-scum with shos-town here. Both scum works too.

[Wisdom]

penguin is being more useful than most of you

I believe you never answered how penguin has been any useful.
Do it.

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@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

I also don't like Desperado at all. I expected much more from him than just this. He is not scumhunting.

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MattP - Town
ooba - Town
Malakittens - Town
Mirari - Town
pirate mollie - Town
Nachomamma8 - Town, he needs to come here and get involved though
ArcAngel9* - Maybe town, needs to post

Grimgroove - Maybe town

shos - Scum or Bad town who is getting WK'd
Desperado - Leaning scum
penguin_alien - Scum
Whiskers - Scum

[Wisdom]

Matt, Nacho and ooba correcting me, me realizing what Mala did with the wiki was actually town (I had ignored it at first), and Mala's posts becoming better.

[Wisdom]

It is a major scumhunting tool, but not the only one, unfortunately for you.

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Figure 1 - I pretended I didn't understand he was reaction testing me to see his reaction. It was genuine, he immediately revealed it was a test and was confused at my reaction. Conclusion reached? He is town.
Figure 2 - Matt sees I am on to shos, who he is also suspecting. He urges me to vote him, as I was voting Mala, who he was townreading. He further tells me that I am wrong on Mala. Result? I reconsidered and saw I was wrong on Mala, and I had the added support that I was right in what I was seeing about shos.
Figure 3 - This is completely incorrect, I was responding to your post where you said that each player has his tells and stuff. Nothing to do with your discussion with Matt.
Figure 4 - I was responding to 430, which was not addressed at Mirari, but was a general comment about what the scumteam is.

What you don't like is that me and Matt know each other are town and are working together, and you try to call that buddying or whatever. Too bad.

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You still didn't explain where I didn't understand something Matt said.

And you still have not explained how penguin has been any useful. Don't think I'll drop it.

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@ooba
No, first game with him. And I do think he is scum.

[Wisdom]

That was shos.

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@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

I also don't like Desperado at all. I expected much more from him than just this. He is not scumhunting.

hahahahaha what

If you don't think I'm scumhunting the how about you shut the fuck up and leave me alone then?

Umm, what?
Why would I leave you alone?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, no

[Wisdom]

And you're okay with such nonsense. You're not this stupid.

[Wisdom]

And lol

When do mollie's pushes ever make sense?

[Wisdom]

wisdom.
it seems like you are being Matt's pet. the moment he just mentioned a possibility that he has to reread me, you flipped and all of a sudden you're not even voting me.

tell me, what made you decide to move your vote?

From experience, when I am sure about someone being scum and someone disagrees, the one I thought is scum is actually town, and the one who disagreed is scum WKing the town.

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Desp, he's not just "being mean". He is misrepping and calling us scum.

[Wisdom]

I think the fact that Wisdom can't understand and has to dip his fingers into every post MattP makes, makes Wisdom more likely scum

This is a misrep, there's no post of Matt's that I didn't understand.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos

[Wisdom]

What I don't like is that you and Matt are working together like you both know the other one is a townie, which you couldn't. I don't like it because town never does this. You're playing like a hydra.

Get used to it.

[Wisdom]

So let me back up a minute and ask, Why are you and MattP reading each other perfectly this game? Not only do you both know the other one is town, but you both know when something the other has done is a reaction test.

What was "I will hammer Wisdom" if not an attempt to make me react and see what I will do?

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@shos
That was not a reaction to your post. That was me removing my vote from Whiskers because I don't think he's scum anymore.

[Wisdom]

WKing = whiteknighting, aka defending someone and argue they are town. It's most common use is when scum defend scummy townies this way.

And nope, I'm not the only one using it.

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Sorry to dissapoint you shos, but I ignored it like I do with most of your posts that are over two lines.

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Then Whiskers why are you pointing things that should be making you think I am scum, only to say that you don't want to call me scum afterwards? What's the point?

Btw to answer you, I wanted to see how Matt would react if I acted like I thought he was serious. I succeeded. If I had ignored it, neither of us would have got a read on each other. Why do that?

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btw, you don't vote someone you say you'll hammer, because then you can't lay down the hammer, duh. I've been thinking this every time I read that post.

If you are willing to hammer them, you think they are scum. Therefore, you should be voting them. That's what I used.

I don't know why we're still discussing this.

[Wisdom]

Nacho, thoughts on penguin?

[Wisdom]

that moment that mollie altslips when posting "this is my main"

[Wisdom]

Whiskers, my understanding is that because you are not good at reading people, you think no-one is. You're completely wrong.

[Wisdom]

So nacho what are your scumreads? shos/penguin/?

[Wisdom]

upgrade ooba to town and we are 100% in agreement.

?
What changed?

[Wisdom]

You can read people, but [any of my previous posts].

When you are good at reading people, you minimize the dangers you mentioned in your previous posts. They'll be there, sure, but it's better to have some people you think are town to work with, than work on your own and get paranoid with everything.

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jesus christ I am telling you this thing isn't town

He acts like he's a newbie, that's what worries me.

[Wisdom]

What scumslip, Matt?

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Desp and whiskers join the certainly town pile, for me anyway. They managed to get me paranoid on mollie.

I think I've seen mollie bringing out the chair and being this theatrical only as scum, in fact. I'll have to go check.

[Wisdom]

Not a chair, but this is what I was thinking about.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: nacho

?

[Wisdom]

Why are you addressing that to peng when she just said she doesn't agree with the case?

Pedit: yes, why did you vote nacho?

[Wisdom]

That means she does not understand what the case on you are.

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is*

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And yet you are addressing her as if she has been claiming you are scum?

[Wisdom]

You asked Matt AND peng to provide, are you kidding me?

[Wisdom]

peng and matt

(sorry for using huge that seems to be the only way you guys read my posts now).

Then why did you address it to peng? How hard is it to answer this?

[Wisdom]

So you made peng's name huge to tell her that she's right about there being no case?

Seems legit.

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@ shos

yes it is a serious read. arc's entrance into the game was easy and breezy I mean she did not give a flying fuck how she looked. <------ town

Thats bullshit. Nobody gets caught in rvs, ppl can always say PH MAN IT WAS RVS Y U SO SERIOS..that is not a tell. Not ib rvs.

I think the tone shos uses here, addressing mollie, is out of place in comparison with his other posts in his ISO at the time. He's being unreasonably aggressive about something minor. Could it be that mollie is his buddy so he's overdoing it?

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Penguin also questioned mollie's motivations in her first posts, so it makes sense that she would see the case on mollie now. I disagree it's opportunistic because there was no suspicion on mollie when she first did it. So I'm wondering if we are looking at shos/mollie, with penguin town.

[Wisdom]

shos I've answered your question (which is not even addressed at me) long ago. Your posts are screaming scum. I do not make cases and I will not, unless the whole town turns blind and pushes me to my limits. My only fear is when I see people somehow not getting you are scum, because I've seen scum exploiting my incorrect scumreads this way tons of times.

[Wisdom]

That's bullshit, mollie. Whiskers dealt with me and Matt in the same way. It's not personal.

[Wisdom]

You have not answered my question.

I answered you the first time. Here:

shos, you are obvious scum, I don't need to say anything. I will, if people are stupid, but I don't think it will be needed.

[Wisdom]

I don't think a parallel dimension exists where 686 comes from scum.

How much do you know mollie? She's perfectly capable of faking this, if you ask me.

[Wisdom]

i answered you that the answer is that i dont wanna answer

change that to "I don't need to lose my time quoting all your posts and showing how you're scum when it's obvious", and it's accurate.

[Wisdom]

Could you please give some sort of reasoning for a case on shos?

k
For starters, he's not scumhunting and he does not have anything resembling a scumread (besides the one on myself, which is ridiculous).
Is that enough for you?

[Wisdom]

i answered you that the answer is that i dont wanna answer

change that to "I don't need to lose my time quoting all your posts and showing how you're scum when it's obvious", and it's accurate.

If your time is so valuable to you, that it can't be spared on playing the game, then don't sign up for the game. Or, since you've already signed up for the game and are now in the middle of it, replace out.

You have this wrong impression that everyone will play the way you want. It's terribly wrong, I'm afraid.

[Wisdom]

I don't care about his whining. I care about his lack of scumhunting.

And wow, do you really think I care about "clever scumhunting"? I care about finding the scum and getting them lynched.

Please, you won't teach me mafia theory. Go annoy mollie instead.

[Wisdom]

Peng and mala are other scumreads,

Yet you're voting Nacho and pushing neither

Tell me more

[Wisdom]

because you're playing a solo game

How the fuck am I playing a solo game when there are like 5 people agreeing with me? If anything, you're the one who does not want to cooperate with us.

And wow, first you dislike when I work with Matt and then you dislike when I "work solo", as you put it. Is there a way I can play that I can satisfy your desires?

[Wisdom]

shos, remind me why you are scumreading penguin?

[Wisdom]

He actually did, and he's doing it right now. The fact you ignore this makes me think you use the whole thing as a distraction to excuse your lack of scumhunting.

[Wisdom]

mollie, listen here.
If you are town, snap out of it

right now

, leave Whiskers aside, and start scumhunting and commenting on the things that are happening (shos, penguing, etc). It's just a personality trait of his and most certainly NOT something personal with you. So drop it now.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mollie


@Whiskers
In that case I apologize but I cannot help you. You have eyes, read and judge for yourself. Five people agree that shos' play does not make sense with a town mindset. They see what I see. You don't see it? That's fine. But don't expect me to do things I dislike, like making cases and bullshit. The best I can do is interact with him so that everyone can see how scummy he is. Like now, he was forced to produce a penguin scumread out of nowhere - if you look at his ISO, he was defending her in the beginning.

So, tl;dr, deal with it.

[Wisdom]

I'm going to ISO Malakittens and Nachomamma next. I might end up sheeping Desperado or MattP if I don't get anything out of those ISO's.

What happened to your confident scumread on Mala?

[Wisdom]

@ Grim: The essential stuff is that mollie is turning on penguin to save herself even though her early defense of penguin has been a part of my case since the beginning of this extended dance.

Interestingly, shos did the exact same thing (I pointed it out to Whiskers), what do you think about that?

[Wisdom]

goddamnit mollie why are you doing this? its not fucking personal, stop it. It's like Sakura arguing that I have something personal with her.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos

[Wisdom]

Mollie's stupid shos read might mean mollie/shos scum and penguin town

See also: 678 and 680

[Wisdom]

... though that means, that once more, you are sheeping me.

[Wisdom]

tbh I also disliked the way she treated mollie's "chair" thing. I am not that sure about her.

[Wisdom]

how the fuck are you missing that he is treating me like town

He treated me as town.
He treated shos as town.
He treated Matt as town.

For fucks sake, realize it's just his playstyle and his personality and move on. I am not going to tell you this many more times.

[Wisdom]

shos and mollie are connected because of mollie's read on shos

How does that read connect them?

[Wisdom]

Not seeing how it connects them. It feels like you are forcing it.

[Wisdom]

No. He tried to encourage me stop playing solo and being secretive and well.. being Wisdom. He does not like my attitude and he tries to get me to be more helpful.
In the same way, he tried to encourage shos to scumhunt.
In the same way, he's trying to tell you to drop your bullshit, but you don't listen. You know that people who don't know you will usually be annoyed with your attitude. I was annoyed in our first game and you were the first person I tunneled on. That's what he is, annoyed, and you're only annoying him more with your attitude.

[Wisdom]

Typical for Arc, regardless of alignment, unfortunately.

[Wisdom]

How does that make sense?

[Wisdom]

I don't know, I think she might be town, especially if mollie isn't.

She said she will post today, let's see.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

k shos can be town. I liked his case, it's what I expect from people who don't know me and my playstyle.

VOTE: penguin

[Wisdom]

Mala why is that all you're posting?