Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Malakittens]

/confirm

[Malakittens]

Mmk. Day 1 has started.

Not an RVS by any shot.

vote: Levianthan93

He was around to confirm when PMs went out, but didn't.

Why didn't you confirm?

[Malakittens]

No, why?

First time playing with him. Infact I have only played with Guile, Prohawk on finished games and played with Mollie to an extent.

Where's your RVS vote?

[Malakittens]

Yah, was seeing his you would respond to that question.

I scanned those who didn't confirm.

Levi was on the site when the PM's went out, but didn't confirm and logged like 10 mins after mine was received.

Prohawk wasn't on site at all. His last post was on the 25th.

I checked yours also and I forgot the exact time, but I am sure your time was way before PM's went out.

[Malakittens]

My theory is just that Mollie. Which is why I was scanning the non confirmed after class this morning.

[Malakittens]

Post 19, the his was supposed to be how.

Anyways work time. Might be back on break since the place I borrow wifi on is up and running again!

(Might sneak a post or two in while working if I get bored)

[Malakittens]

That, but I think they were asking if scum were allowed to talk during the pre game confirmation stage.

[Malakittens]

No, my joke was serious and not at all sarcastic. I'm not sure where you saw that tone in my posts.

[Malakittens]

Mmk.

We are out of RVS stage now, good, glad that's settled.

I'm going to

Vote: Shrimp

Replying to This post

Well, I assumed it was sarcastic, because it just seemed so ridiculous to vote someone (seriously) because of that in the start of the game.
Maybe I was wrong.
If I was wrong, then I guess my vote would have turned from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote.

Nope, was dead on serious.
Try this link:

It's not stupid and it's not ridiculous. If scum have pregame they can avoid confirming until late so they can have their pregame chat longer.

Explain how your vote turns from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote? I don't completely understand.

By the way, Leviathon, the mafia use quicktopic to chat to each other.
I was told that the mafia could only use it at night.
But it's a seperate website, so I don't understand how it would be possible to NOT be able to chat during the day.

Where did you learn about this quick topic?

Because the mods can lock it.


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So, for me, I rather discuss possibly lynching either Shrimp or Levi.

Shrimp is quite defensive of Levi by calling my vote "non serious" and sarcastic.

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My vote puts Shrimp at L-2. So beware for those who haven't posted. I do want people who haven't posted to give thoughts on the current issues at hand.

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@Mala: How much do you remember playing with Mollie? Was she town or scum?

I'm currently playing with her. Can't discuss any details.

I reviewed Shrimp's overall post history and I seriously don't think he believes what he is posting itt.

Why exactly do you say this?

I did though check myself. No current finished games. State-wide rules won't allow us to talk or ask regarding them.

I did see that he is from another site. Any chance you mind throwing out one recent scum and one recent finished town games of yours please, Shrimp?

[Malakittens]

A more serious question is why would we still want to be in a RVS stage, Levi?

Oh man, I don't need to be mixing "innocent" and "town" up. Since I keep going back and forth between sites with posting.

Good start, good start on the reads.

Why would you claim when you aren't at L-1?

For future reference, don't ever, ever do that.

I should keep telling myself that because I sometimes do it. >_>

Claiming early is bad.

[Malakittens]

Blacksmith =/= townie, you know that right?

Claiming early is bad. It helps scum get a sense of hunting for PR and PR reactions to these types of posts. Don't do it unless you are at L-1.

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I find that better information comes out of RVS stage with discussions and serious votes. We just need to make sure we don't quick lynch and we won't.

[Malakittens]

I'm going to do the following action in the nicest way possible.

-paws Mollie-

I think he mixed up terms, let's drop it and not discuss PM's. YOU ARE HELPING THE SCUM OUT. >.>

[Malakittens]

Either way here;

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... mith&go=Go

[Malakittens]

Why don't you read the thread... It's 3 pages long..

[Malakittens]

Levi, are you from another mafia site?

[Malakittens]

Unvote: Shrimp

Wait, thinking this over. I want responses to my post from Shrimp though..

[Malakittens]

I feel bad for all of you after you read this wall. I wall when I'm in the mood to wall and it's not a bad thing for me, trust me.

Even though my vote on Levi was serious and it was designed it get us out of RVS before it even started. I was using it to get reactions from all players.

Levi

- Originally I was as if he might have been scum just due to his reaction.
His Post 31 At first I thought he was going for the approach of 'I don't have a clue what you are talking about'.
He has a completed game which is here. He could talk anytime during that game, although he did not say anything during that game.
I have already stated that I disliked his post #49 because claiming early is not beneficial to the town especially when it's a role game as this one. Claiming early gives scum a better shot at hitting a PR during night phrases.
His post here makes me think that he's probably town only because he started giving out his reads without being asked. I see less of mafia doing that during Day 1 because they are afraid to slip up, especially new mafia players. This post is another I had an issue with which was brought up. These posts are common new-town mistakes.
*This post here is why I'm labeling him as town. Mainly because quicklynches benefit scum rather than town and he's clearly not for it.

Mollie:

I would like you to answer why you have Prohawk as town. (Prohawk do not interfere.)

I don't see how ProHawk asking that is town-motivated. Not to mention that you stated that he was trying to "provoke" you.
I'm not really understanding your read on Mantis. To me she's leaning null at this point.

I'm putting you on a watchlist. >_>

Prohawk:

I think your case on Shrimp was a bit graspy.
Basically you are going after Mollie and Shrimp. As Mollie stated trying to "provoke" her and the case on Shrimp is weak.
This play is incredibly different from our most recent Micro Game.

Highest FoS so far.

Shrimp:

My vote turns serious mode because I find the reason to vote Leviathon very lacking.
It's a strategy of scum, but it's not a clear scum tell by a long shot.
That's why I assumed it was sarcasm, and the way that Pirate Mollie just joined your wagon,
makes me suspect her. Not only that, pirate mollie also just switched votes to me for no apparent reason.

Yes, but from my tone and the tones of people after you should have realized that I was clearly trying to get us out of RVS, but instead you tried putting us back into RVS.
Sometimes it is a strategy of scum, but I agree that it's not a clear scum tell, but you are able to figure out scum by their reactions to these types of posts.
I do though like the fact you are looking at Mollie and questioning for that vote.

And for the second question, Adam-12 should be able to answer this question if he actually DID read my history.
In my first game the discussion about quicktopic came up. Check it for yourself if you like.

If it's ongoing I really can't talk about it and I'm not planning on perusing it as of yet. The answer during my first game would have been fine, but I'm not really liking the tone here.

Playing the new card here can be considered a scum tell. I actually did it a lot during my first scum game (Guille totally knows). I was at the time new to this site, but I had another site experience, but the two sites are just totally different.

I did though take asking the mod about QT as a possible scum-asking mod a question. Considering the question you asked and then I furthered asking was in Post #2. Then I read it again and didn't really see it that way anymore.

Your post #146 is something that I already covered. I already asked them to stop the conversation regarding role PM's.
I still think the whole thing against Mollie is a bit WIFOM-y in terms of her being killed during the night. I am seeing the end as lining up a lynch already on Mollie if she doesn't get killed during Night 1.

*I'm going to give you a FoS, but you are showing signs of hunting. So it's a very low FoS, but on the verge of being put on a watch list.

Adam:

Others have asked this, but I'm going to ask it in a different way. How does asking about Mafia experience and asking questions of games did you play with Player "X" help this game? What information so far have you gotten from them?

What makes me wonder is this:

Or let me put it another way, you don't think scum would not confirm because they are chatting in the Q/T & would be otherwise occupied? Isn't it a reasonable motivation for ultimately falling asleep instead of confirming?

It seems as if you took my stance very seriously, but with held a vote. I am not sure why exactly you withheld it.

Levi is obviously town, his explanation proves that whereas Shrimp's explanation proves he is scum.

The point is that the original case on Levi IS a good reason to vote (the only problem is Levi is town).

When did you see that it was a good reason to vote?

You never really explain why those explanations prove each or even point that direction.

Giving an FoS. Possibly willing to vote depending on what you come up regarding lists. So pending evaluation.

Vote: Prohawk

Reads:

FoS:

Prohawk
Adam
Shrimp

Watchlist:

Mollie

Town:

Levi

Null:

Guille
Codex
Mantis

My null list consists of that because I would like to see more posts from each player. Codex has only posted once besides the confirmation post.

[Malakittens]

I'm going to do the following action in the nicest way possible.

-paws Mollie-

I think he mixed up terms, let's drop it and not discuss PM's. YOU ARE HELPING THE SCUM OUT. >.>

[Malakittens]

ProHawk:

Your ISO reads the following:

Levi is probable town.
Mala got us out of RVS stage. I was going to lean that you are probably calling me town. >.>
Attacks Mollie.
Pokes at Adam.
Tells Adam to stop taking the grilling from Mantis as Mantis is "fencesitting"
Attacks Shrimp.
Stops attacking Shrimp and goes back to Mollie.
Calls Shrimp obvstown.

So, is your play style completely different from Micro game where we were both town? Yes.
Am I completely sold that you are scum? No, but I'm planning on digging for your thoughts.

Something is off.

[Malakittens]

#146I already asked them to stop the conversation regarding role PM's.

where did you do this?

thinking you are pretty disengaged despite my liking you intro into the game.

Why am I disengaged?

[Malakittens]

I'd love to know how I'm currently reading Guile as null equals to reading him as scum. You do realize that Mantis is reading Guile as scummy and is on your low scum-radar. Personally I don't know how you are reading the no posters towards the bottom rather than null. -.-

Not to mention mantis IS voting Guile.
So explain your town mantis read.

[Malakittens]

Why?

Null means you have no read on them. If they don't post how can you actually have an accurate read on them?

[Malakittens]

Love how you dodged my questions, but answered Levi's. >.>

[Malakittens]

Are you guys fucking serious?

He posted once and you are all ready to hammer him? Either he's seriously town and everyone's about to quicklynch him or he's scum with his partner seriously bussing his ass. I'm not convinced of the latter.

Hold your damn horses and wait for codeX to post reads.

[Malakittens]

Going to nitpick a bit here. Which is amazingly uncanny for me.

I think you have wayyyy to many innocent reads or gut feels to be exact.

The only two scum reads that you have are because they either posted once or not at all. >.>

ProHawk isn't acting totally innocent to me, but he's acting scummy. He wanted to get Guille a hammer on him without allowing Guille to explain or even having CodeX post his reads or views on any material. To me finding connections based off one post is hard depending on whether or not Codex or Guille were to flip scum.

Plus to label someone "scum" only because you have too many innocent reads isn't that good. It comes off as a "forced" feeling.

[Malakittens]

Lol.

Adam? Why don't you like that post? Was it the cursing?

No duh ProHawk you couldn't hammer him because you were voting for him.

Guille love, I didn't suspect people because thy are inactive. I clearly state that they are null because no read can be made on them. -_-

[Malakittens]

Dude, this is how Guille rolls. He's not scummy. I like to lurk as town as well, but just haven't been in a lurky mood.

She pushed it because she was asking about the flavor, which is another reason I didn't like prohawk's either.

If you think talking outloud about PM's in general something is wrong, seriously wrong.

Few things I hate and will think you are scummy for is:
1. Role fishing
2. Softclaims
3. Early claiming for no reason

All of these points above help scum figure out PRs.

I don't really like how he changed it so fast. .>.>

[Malakittens]

Looking forward to it. Then I can discuss it.

[Malakittens]

*we*?

[Malakittens]

Also you are quite wrong about Guille.

He was not present during RVS time. He posted in our game first followed by another game. Then he did a mod update and went away. I don't see that as actively lurking.

[Malakittens]

We started RVS at 1:15 PM est Monday 26th.

He did not post until Tuesday, 27th at 8:30am, which was his first post then followed by another post on this game 2 minutes after.
He then posted less than 30 minutes on another game which was then followed by a prod on a player in a game where he's modding.

His first three posts today was his modding duties again on the game. Followed by his two posts here.

You are litterally grasping at straws here to call him active lurking man.

[Malakittens]

OH MY GOSH.

Okay seriously, what part of HE WASN'T PRESENT ON THE SITE = actively lurking to miss RVS.

He works for a damn living he was AT work depending on where his time zone hits.

HE POSTED HERE FIRST. Followed BY modding duties.

[Malakittens]

Mantis. I'm very quiet during Day 1. If I survive Night 1 I'm able to figure out who scum is by Day 2 and by Day 3 I have the whole team. Don't underestimate me by a long shot. I am hunting, but I was reaction testing.

I'm sticking up for Guille because Adam, but Levi were putting him as actively lurking when he wasn't. He said it in his own post.

[Malakittens]

I'm honestly thinking about changing my vote which I am.

vote: Adam

I don't see why you want to stop an active discussion.

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Yah I was basically voting him for things he was saying to Mollie, but also how is meta changed drastically and realisticy that's not a good reason to vote him.

[Malakittens]

Da fuck?

So because I was trying to avoid a hammer on Guile so he could post and for Code to post it's opportunistic?

[Malakittens]

See. I knew me saying that I like to lurk would make you roll your head towards me.

Again as I explained he's not actively lurking.

[Malakittens]

....

You are getting time stamps mixed up

Vote Count

Adam-12 (L-3): Guile, Malakittens
Prohawk (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Code-X (L-4): Leviathan93
Pirate Mollie (L-2): ProHawk, Shrimp85, Adam-12
Malakittens (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Code-X

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Malakittens]

OMG. Jiffy, I want to watch that show, but my mom has it on DVD, but won't let me borrow it. I'm stuck watching Twilight instead. >.>

In actual topic terms:

ProHawk: Does me being quiet = scummy? You played before with me and you know exactly what I'm doing.

[Malakittens]

I know, I can do it, but I chose not to do it.

[Malakittens]

Alright. Going to be v/la til Monday night. Got a bunch of tests to study for and work this weekend.
Ill try and post a little bit, but not certain.

[Malakittens]

Adam.. Do you have a finished town game, here or another site?

Vote Count

Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-3): Shrimp85, Guile
Guile (L-2): ProHawk, Pirate Mollie, Mantisdreamz
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12

Not Voting: leviathan93

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

Why is the delete button so close to the edit button? I almost accidentally your whole post.

[Malakittens]

I was hoping you were from another site. ._.

[Malakittens]

what....

the experienced players are scum? wtf is this shit.

[Malakittens]

I don't think experience has anything to do with that. New-scum will know because the *mods* say it in the QT. It's really under the discretion of the mod and he did have it written in post 2 that it happening which is why I was watching times.
I did it during my micro game in regards to allowing pregame chat.

[Malakittens]

Wow, wtf, I just realized that.

[Malakittens]

My god Adam, do you really have a bloody post count of 200? Fucking overexcited scum.

[Malakittens]

I was honestly joking.

I was overexcited as scum in my first scum game.

Hey Pro, lay off, I have supplied content.

Also, Guille it's hard to meta someone with one completed game. >.>

[Malakittens]

You know what. People can be friends and constantly talk on skype and not be cheating if they are in the same game. >_>

[Malakittens]

Hey Bok, get out of my head, that's what I do also. >.>

Fuck off Prohawk. I am busy with school. My lack of input in all of my games should show that. >.>

[Malakittens]

I rather not be lynched when I can be useful later on.

Then again why am I telling you this? You know what I'm capable of.

Vote Count

Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-2): Shrimp85, Guile
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12
Leviathan (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Malakittens (L-4): ProHawk

Not Voting: leviathan93, Mantisdreamz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Malakittens]

Alright. Going to be v/la til Monday night. Got a bunch of tests to study for and work this weekend.
Ill try and post a little bit, but not certain.

[Malakittens]

Give me until sometime Thursday. My huge research paper is due tomorrow during class which is at 8pm. After that I'm off from work on Thursday.

[Malakittens]

Can I put a post restriction on you? I won't be assed to read your ISO and go through 218 posts.

unvote

Your play from your newbie is quite different. There were some similarities such as word choices, but there's a more of a town oriented how you are going about it this game.

Hey Mollie. Since you are from another site. Mind linking me there to a recent town/scum game?

In this order I want to review: ProHawk, Mantis & Mollie.

I still have that town read on Levi. It's mainly due to me modding his recent scum game and his play is different. He was over caring about making enemies which caused him to try to appease those who suspected him, but he didn't do that here.

Which regarding enemies I have an awesome song in my head
"There's no destiny
When everyone's your enemy"

[Malakittens]

I did during the game I modded, but he didn't know about it. In fact it was pretty delayed before he entered the scum QT during Night 1.

[Malakittens]

Mollie. I checked Tit and that's your only completed game. The newbie is not finished therefore I can't meta you.
I can handle reading harsh things as long as they aren't directed towards me. So possible link offsite games.

And I don't really want to do the audio >.>

It's only like 3-4 hours of listening.

[Malakittens]

What is the bloody point of asking him what other games he likes?

[Malakittens]

Lul.

[Malakittens]

Because I just finished for the night and I'm going to update here and then go watch Breaking Dawn #1.

[Malakittens]

>_>

[Malakittens]

Oh please murder me now, I left off on Page 18/31. I blame Adam!

Adam's post

My case on Mollie boils down to:

1) Her RVS scum-aware vote for Shrimp
2) Her obsession with being lynched & declaring she is not scum
3) Her directing of the Tracker/Watcher
4) Cog-dis & AtE in her defense when wagoned
5) Her anti-town attitude when wagoned

Feel free to inquire about any point.

1) Link me to this post and explain why it's a scum-aware vote.
2) Okay, the only probable thing I see here could be that she's saying lynch me for "town cred" and I agree declaring that you aren't scum can be a scum tell, but that's grasping at straws.
3) I agree with this being a possible scum tell. I hate when people direct Night Actions, but the last few times I have seen someone do it they were town. So conflicted here.
4) AtE is not a scum tell.
5) What anti-town attitude?..

PM & Mantiz: Why is Guille "scum" for Post 438

This post
Why would you lynch make him look bad? Why do you even care what it makes him look like? I don't want this for my team - make it seems like you KNOW his alignment.

I do not like this post, do not like it one bit. Buddying here needs to stop!

Uh
@Borky: Where's your read on Mala and Mantis?

This smells of town
Only problem is that they can fake these special tells, but also change them up. Meta isn't always as reliable as it's made out to be. I just found that out the hard way.

HAI TOWN FEEL
I agree that town tend to be more paranoid in general, but scum tend to be a lot calmer.
There's a few town tells I been getting from Adam which hopefully by finishing reading the clusterfuck of pages I'll be able to describe.

@Mantis

Why should Adam be lynched today?
Oh I misread as it as Shrimp did, neverminddd.

Stop Buddying.

Something commonly done by town

NOT READING THE THREAD DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE IS SCUM. THIS HAPPENS TO BE DONE BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS, SO IT'S A NULL TELL.

@Mantis: I don't think that is a big scumslip. I mean I can see how it can be considered one, but I wouldn't really take much thought into it as of yet

OKAY, PM is town
METaaaatttackkk.
Oh, but for the sake of conversation. Stop, Drop

& roll

the freaking JMT's. You make me want to twitch when I see them.

No
I have seen town more times out of ten meta someone rather than scum.

Well
Least this time you included both Mantis and Mala, but those reads are so icky, it's not even funny.

Right
I commonly see town tank more rather than scum. Scum like to give up a fight unless they are the last one standing and then they'll just give up.

Bad Levi
Stop being a kissup to Bork, please, kthanks?

@Levi
You already know how I felt about your claim. You didn't help the town out by claiming early instead you fucked us over. If this was just plain vanilla game then I can be like whatever, but the fact IS we do have PR's in this game. You narrowed the field for them having to search for the PR's. So please tell me why you deserved to be Night Killed over any other player here?

Again
Normally done by town.

Awesome
Why did you just take my post before that seriously? I almost think you were willing to sway your read if I said yes.

@Guille
What Mollie was looking at regarding Levi.
I had a reason.
So basically you want me to see if she OMGUS-ed as town or scum. Okay I'll double check that after. I wasn't exactly sure what you wanted out of that.
I removed my vote, but I forgot exactly why I had it. Was something he was doing. >.>

@Bork:
Yeah, I did not have a town read. He was leaning null.

Loved the beginning of this post of Shrimps, but hated the end

Hey Pro, why did you poke at me for saying the same thing as Levi, but didn't say the same thing to Levi in his post #708.

My town mindset. (:

I'm so glad you are trying to direct attention for me for lurking when I feel that you are constantly jumping into arguments and then laying back as they take off into fireworks.

I LOL'd so hard
Bit of a filler post as you just literally agreed yet went wish-washy afterwards.


I tend to get twitchy and paranoid and panicky as town rather than scum.

I'm going to do a pretty list of anything that gives me a gut "town" read of Adam.
Uno
Dos
Tres

&&&&TLDR&&& (Or something to that nature)

I'm getting twitchy posts from Levi lately. He's no longer much of a town read as it was before the game started. Weak scum read.
I'm going to watch ProHawk, I don't trust him. Leaning scum.
Adam has become a town read.
PM a town read.
Bork is a mild-town read.
Not really sure what to make of Guille.
Mantis is a weak town read. I want to watch for caution though.
Shrimp is town.

@Jiffy:

[Malakittens]

WTF is this shit, I worked so hard on it for it not to work.
Even my pretty picture doesn't appear.

Jiffy go fix that.

[Malakittens]

I don't even. -_-

[Malakittens]

None of them work.

Just fix the picture. Once I get done being annoyed I'll fix the links in a row.

[Malakittens]

I'm caught up. I'm still annoyed at the forums. That shit took me a while.

[Malakittens]

My links don't currently work. We have established that.

JMT = Jedi Mind Trick

Also, I'm sorry, but my post was a train of thoughts. They aren't in any order. What I was going off by reading the pages.

[Malakittens]

Okay first off scum can use logic just as much as town.

It's not helpful. I can tell you right now it's not helpful. Take that one piece of advice from someone who has been playing mafia for years. It's one of the worst things you can do in a role game. People can believe you, but you don't understand how it hurt more than it helped. No, it gives scum more to go off of not town which is why it's not helpful. The more I'm reading your posts I'm Thinking scum slips. I love how you are so confident that you'll get NK just because you claimed.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Malakittens]

"Can you take this lonely girl?
I pick her up from off the ground
'cause theres no pride, to be found
When you follow sheep around
And no future here, no future
For us in this town"

vote: Levi

Reason: inconsistent reads. Called me town in this post.
Yet the way I'm reading the end of this posthe has me clearly labeled in a scum mindset.

So:

Anti-town behavior. Claiming early. Helps scum out more than town.
Inconsistencies. (Oh man coming from me this is so

not

funny)
Labeling things in a scum mindset.

[Malakittens]

Okay. Just because you have me as a town read doesn't mean I see you in the same light. Labeling things in a scum mindset means that your word choice to me has your mind made up I'm scum.

[Malakittens]

Sigh. For %*%*% sakes. I'm starting to links just don't like me. Even those done on my phone don't work.

[Malakittens]

Sorry. I'll have the links done later tonight after work. I went out with friends yesterday to see Twilight

Also, pro, I have supplied content, besides the links not working. Why do you still have your vote on me?

Bork I don't understand your other post.

Adam, I think I posted enough since content to be read as something other than null. You can tell which pages those links are on, but not the numbers itself.

[Malakittens]

Oh Mantis fixed my post, yay. Question is how? >.>

ProHawk, you voted me for pressure. I posted therefore your vote is just idling. When it's idling like that it bothers me.

[Malakittens]

Acting strange how?

[Malakittens]

I was kinda a bit tired on Wednesday. That's like the day I wake up at 630 am and take all clases until 8pm. >.>

[Malakittens]

DO NOT USE ANY SHADE OF BLUE. Fuck sakes, I had to highlight that shit in Pro's post. (Yes, Jiffy, I know you are using blue, but it's fine)

You know what. People can be friends and constantly talk on skype and not be cheating if they are in the same game. >_>

I really just want to say that I highly doubt either mollie or mantis would be cheating. this being said, if there was anything to shrimp's claim that they seemed to know each other's alignment it would mean that they were scum. This is possible and makes sense but I highly doubt that is actually a correct interpretation of either mollie's or mantis' game. that's my personal opinion. i could be wrong though.

This will answer 1. ^

2. I am toying with a Levi/Pro team. You are acting a bit different than I saw you act the last time. You know exactly how I play, but choosing it to build a case against me for it. I also feel as if you'll start something, but then gradually walk away from it as it begins to fuel into a large flame.

3. Adam is a town read for me.

4. I am voting Levi because his recent posts are giving me horrid alarm bells. There wouldn't have been a harm, but I wanted to see how you react to my post before I threw a vote onto you.

[Malakittens]

Adam if you are so worried about a quickhammer, why don't you unvote?...

[Malakittens]

I'm pretty sure my answers were straightforward.

[Malakittens]

@mala it wasn't being a kiss up. it was being truthful. borky made valid points. I agree with those points and thought they were logical.

I like logic and reason. especially in this game because why would scum want to use logic and reason other then to throw people off their trail.

the more logic someone uses the more it can be torn apart and figured out to see if it is true or not. I believe scum can be found that way.

and i know how you feel about my claim.

whether its helpful or not I want to find this out for myself. plus I also don't understand your fact that if I claimed why doesn't everyone believe me? huh? it could have been pointless and it just gives you a little bit to go off of.

i feel that I will either get killed during the night now or

kept alive to try to maybe throw you guys off the trail and lynch me yourselves while they kill y'all other innocents during the night.

"Can you take this lonely girl?
I pick her up from off the ground
'cause theres no pride, to be found
When you follow sheep around
And no future here, no future
For us in this town"

vote: Levi

Reason: inconsistent reads. Called me town in this post.
Yet the way I'm reading the end of this posthe has me clearly labeled in a scum mindset.

So:

Anti-town behavior. Claiming early. Helps scum out more than town.
Inconsistencies. (Oh man coming from me this is so

not

funny)
Labeling things in a scum mindset.

That's what did it regarding Levi, Mantis. I don't know why, but everything he said sounded like a scum slip towards the end.
The first part I feel as if he was saying that really only town could use logic and not scum. He then clarified it a post later, but I don't see how someone being logical will bring out a scum slip.

(Maybe I'm just horrible at finding these scum slips. I do can find odd and even things in conversations that make me go "wtf are you talking about" and then a flip appears and it all makes sense.)

[Malakittens]

@Jiffy, VC is wrong.
Thor is at L-1. Pro voted Mollie instead of me.

[Malakittens]

PM & Mantiz: Why is Guille "scum" for Post 438

because at the time i thought mollie could be town, and that guille was going over and beyond to make a case on her.

I do not like this post, do not like it one bit. Buddying here needs to stop!

if mollie (at the time), or anyone for that matter looked town to me, what is wrong with buddying. i guess what i'm asking is what is wrong with buddying, in general?

fake edit - you being so adamant about that, makes me wonder if you know that guille is town?

@Mantis

Why should Adam be lynched today?
Oh I misread as it as Shrimp did, neverminddd.

if you kept reading to later discover that i didn't mean Adam should be lynched, why did you include this question, still?

@Mantis: I don't think that is a big scumslip. I mean I can see how it can be considered one, but I wouldn't really take much thought into it as of yet

no, Levi seems townish to me, now.

OKAY, PM is town
METaaaatttackkk.
Oh, but for the sake of conversation. Stop, Drop

& roll

the freaking JMT's. You make me want to twitch when I see them.

...does look kind of townish, that post. only thing, is that mollie said the conversation felt right at a time when her, adam and myself were discussing guille. but then she went to say i'm going to trust mantis's read on him.

if it felt right, mollie, why do you have to trust my read on him, and not your own?




you think it is Levi and Prohawk? i'll look at their posts again.

1) Gracias.

2) To me being buddy/buddy can hurt town unless you are 100% sure of someone's alignment. To me it's not a good thing to do.
No, I'm not being adamant. I was in two different games where I saw scum use budding to their manipulation. One game used it in LyLo for the win because the other townie was so into a focus of buddying that the second townie couldn't convince them to knock it off and see the fact the other person is probably scum.

So long term effect that's it can hurt.

3) Were my thoughts. I didn't want to remove it. >.>

4) How so?

5) I still think it can be Levi/Prohawk, yes.

[Malakittens]

I'm a girl and I'm not ignoring your entrance to the game. I don't like how Adam is wanting to others to hold horses regarding hammers, but not un-voting. That bothers me that he wants people to slow down. I understand the intent to hammer thing because I think hammering without asking/waiting for a claim is bad.

I do have a fair town read on Adam though.

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I must be the only person to disagree with Levi being obv. town. I was originally came to that conclusion at the beginning of the game, but as of late it has decreased.

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@Thor,

Explain:

Oddly, i can still lynch town as good or better than most - so...

Why would you want to lynch town? I could have misread that though. ^

[Malakittens]

Also, if PM had such a town read on Levi, why was she voting him right before she replaced out? She thought he was dropping scum slips.

So Thor, I'm not sure what you are reading, but you have facts wrong.

[Malakittens]

I was reading her as town towards the end right before she replaced out. What really sucks about the wagon is that when she was at L-2 it had a majority of my town reads on it. Prohawk is the only one that I do have a scum read on who just recently hopped onto it.

[Malakittens]

Levi is not a policy lynch. Levi is

possibly

scum because of the anti-town things that he has done.

[Malakittens]

Man. I still want to put a post restriction on you Adam.
Would you still like to continue putting a spin on my Levi case?

I want to say something about my meta, but ill wait for Guille to respond first

[Malakittens]

If you don't see it, I'd suggest trying to see it. Might be just English isn't his first language, but reading it in the context I read it doesn't look like something a town would say, frankly.

[Malakittens]

No comment. Just no comment. I will get into a debate with you after this game regarding that comment.

[Malakittens]

Why wouldn't I be serious about my Levi case? >.>

[Malakittens]

I had to read a book that was related to that test. It has nothing to do with this game unless you are going to sit here and insult. It's not something that belongs in this thread.

[Malakittens]

No, if you are going to say something about my meta say it now. >.>

[Malakittens]

No, I'm not really seeing the benefit of him helping the town by it. I see scum motivation in it going for reactions to what people saying regarding it.

[Malakittens]

Really? Are you saying scum won't deliabelty want to fish out reactions for finding PRs.

[Malakittens]

Mantis, then what is ProHawk doing on the scum list, if you can't find a pairing?

[Malakittens]

You do realize that 6/8 players want to vote me right. I'm

probably

not scum for that fact alone.

I know Levi has a town read on me. I can't really tell based on Shrimp's last posts where the majority of the players stand on reads though.

I guess Bork's last read was that he was getting suspicious of me. >.>

Mantis, ProHawk think I'm scum.
Thor think I'm scummy and willing to vote me. (Not going to lie you sound so opportunistic there.)
Guille recent posts read to me that he's going to come back with a scum read on me. Which I can't just wait to defend myself from whatever meta he's got on me.
Honestly I'm not really sure from Adam's posts where he stands on me, but looking at it I'm assuming he's thinking I'm scummy for my case against Levi.

[Malakittens]

Well, I wouldn't vote myself.

Thor doesn't seem that scummy to me nor does Adam. Shrimp is probably town.
I rather wait for Guille's read of his meta case against me, I'm very interested in it actually. Considering he was calling me town in the beginning of the game.
I'm not really seeing you as scum.

I don't care much for Prohawk in general right now. I'm fairy convinced he's scum.

I rather ask you for that answer to be pending until Guille posts honestly though. >.>

[Malakittens]

I'm not fencing. Clearly I stated that I am interested in Guille's post regarding me and I want to wait on that before I answer. Did you not read my post?

[Malakittens]

I don't know where it would land him, but probably it wouldn't. I want to see his freaking answer first. Calm the hell down. I'm voting the person I want to vote as of right now.

[Malakittens]

Cool, I have just witnessed the first time I ever saw a scum-Guille play in another game.

Brb, going to meta him from that game to this game.

[Malakittens]

I am getting annoyed at him for telling me I'm fence sitting when I'm not. I'm waiting patiently for Guille's next post so I can get a clearer read on him. I'm not in the mood to be provoked when clearly I asked for a pending approval of the question for a new improved read on Guille frankly.

[Malakittens]

Well I wrote "I'm fairly convinced he's scum" means that none of his posts have made my read less than what it was.

Vote Count

Thor665 (L-2): Shrimp85, Adam-12, ProHawk
Mantisdreamz (L-4): borkjerfkin
Leviathan (L-4): Malakittens
ProHawk (L-4): Thor665
Malakittens (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: leviathan93, Guile

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Malakittens]

Adam when you catch up can you do a few quotes in one post rather than 5-10 in a row. I don't like the numerous posts to read. Makes it harder to catch up, please and thanks.

[Malakittens]

I just realized that I have a possible hole in my panda sock. This does not make me a happy camper.

I'm going to wait for Guile's meta analysis on me before I give you mine on him.

How would genuine town replace in Adam? How do you even know what a genuine town looks like when replaced in? I have only seen a game where you replaced in as scum.

[Malakittens]

Goin to make the counter argument that everyone replaces into a game differently. Not every player is the same. Just sayin'.

[Malakittens]

I don't even know where my head was going with that. Differently is supposed to be similarity.

[Malakittens]

Okay yeah.

It looks like a Levi lynch won't happen. I'm moving my vote.

vote: ProHawk

Adam, I think you are so wrong. Stop for a moment and rethink why Mollie would replace out.

[Malakittens]

Mollie.

[Malakittens]

I don't even with Thor's vote on me at this point.

Pro, I already outlined your case.

Adam, try rereading my earlier posts for the answer they are there.

As for my meta on Guile, he's probably town. As scum he looked reluctant to give reads out, but in his first post he gave his thoughts.

[Malakittens]

Okay I found the bloody post that I was looking at in the beginning.

This

I was looking at Mollie's post regarding Levi's scum slip. Then I realized that it could have been a scum slip.

The "reason" was for the second thing he quoted. The reason for my lack of content.

[Malakittens]

Whoo, let's respond to that wall with another wall!

Mala has recently popped up on my radar as scum after she started to take a back seat in the game from a front row seat. Her actual scum-hunting posts where she seems to care about finding scum were pretty good at the beginning.

Time has been limited as of late. 3/4 of my classes happens to be a law-major type of classes so you can only imagine the research or the level of hardness in types of what the finals are going to be. I still care about finding scum, but I have narrowed my list down so much that there's only 4 remaining possibilities of scum.

Scum-tell because she changed mid-game? No. She could have easily just have ran out of time to keep up with a fast-paced game. What I find very suspect is her reaction to being called out on it.

You'll find out when I'm called out while being town I tend to get a lot more panicky and paranoid, but as scum I tend to be a bit more calmer, but not as much.

Its clear to me it has struck a nerve. I don't see it as a town reaction to having limited time/availability. Not really a strong tell, but evidence to be brought to the table.

Congrats go read this game where I did almost the same exact reaction when I got hit with the flu, but then my computer broke which stopped me from properly posting. It's located in Donner Party.

Right now I think you are suffering of the mindset "Mala must be scum because she fails reaction tests and reacts horribly".

Here is where my real scum-read pops up. She has this obsession with meta-based alignment tells.

I use meta more as town rather than scum to hunt for the differences of players.

Switch Mafia
Fire & Ice
Recent Science Game I did alt. >.> I used the same meta analysis during my first science game though.

Those are only three town games of which I used meta in recently. All of my scum games barely have meta analysis. The only time I did use meta analysis was to try and hunt for the other scum team during multiball, Guile was present there. I was in a hydra.

Coincidence that all of these posts about going to meta someone came after Molly pointed out that scum usually don't read other games? Could be, but Mala does think its a town-tell as pointed out here.

Funny because I asked Shrimp for some completed games, but he never linked them.

So Mala, why did you decide to change your playstyle mid-game? Also, what is the deal with you being all over meta-analysis when you have stated twice that they aren't good indicators?

I didn't try and change my play-style. I'm focusing more on school rather than this game at this point. Meta is not good to use as a base of a case, but it is helpful when you are trying to weed out scum from possible town by meta.
The place where I found they don't work as well is off another site. I got fooled by another player when analysis another game which the round-about way she was going after someone felt different from the way she goes about them when she's scum.

[Malakittens]

Yeah meta defense of myself, but not of other players. I didn't use meta to try to build a case or even influence it to vote. This is different than my town games. Plus the first two you linked were really early games the 7bird was recent, but Cort was the most recent which didn't again influence my reads.

I never did go back to those games of theirs btw.

[Malakittens]

No. You are forcing me to self-meta right now, but not only that you're pushing a shitty case against me. You already know what I'm capable of, but you're pushing for my lynch anyways.

[Malakittens]

My cases in general aren't strong. If I used meta to make a case as scum it looks weak and I actually am over caring how I look as scum, but don't care how I look as town.

[Malakittens]

I have already said that Guile is not scum due to meta. His recent scum game he had a hard time wanting to give out solid scum reads, but this game was different.

I will admit I was reaction testing Levi straight up in the beginning for signals for his scum meta, but none of the signals were shown.

I wasn't sure what I was looking for in Mollie, but I didn't see that much of a difference between games.

I saw a huge difference from Adam's scum game from this one so I labeled him as town.

[Malakittens]

It's not a bad vote when things he was saying looked scummy.

@preview: Late. I also knew he was scum right away

[Malakittens]

Nope. The only meta from his scum game was that he didn't want to make enemies and to appease those who suspected him. He also wanted quick lynches too.

The claiming early is a scummy thing to do. How do you feel about claiming early when not at L-1?

[Malakittens]

Adam. Want to know the reason I suspected Shrimp in the beginning? He looked like he wanted to stay in RVS.
Town wants to get out of RVS as soon as possible. I did a reaction test while getting us out of it as soon as possible.

I couldn't do as much content as I wanted to do because I was in class then being overwhelmed by being down over 14 pages because you can't seem to want to put a leash on your posts and have almost a post count of 300 at the time. I expect being down that many pages in a large game, but when half of those posts come from one player it's abousetly ridiculous.

[Malakittens]

Why? You are freaking stupid. If you think lynching me is the best thing for the town right now.

If I am lynched, please look at one person on my wagon and one person off of it as the scum team.

I already stated that there is a overwhelming amount of people that is okay with my lynch. Unless there's hardcore bussing coming from the scum team on Day 1, I'm probably town. Now stop being an arrogant fucktard, Pro.

[Malakittens]

.

I couldn't do as much content as I wanted to do because I was in class then being overwhelmed by being down over 14 pages

[Malakittens]

I didn't expect 14 pages down while being in a 9 player game. I could see it in a larger game, but this small? No.
I'm used to larger games, I'm used to walling, but day 1 has never been a strong point of mine. I'm better at analyzing information after two flips.

Again all of this was explained in our micro game. Stop asking me shit you already know.

[Malakittens]

Once he answers that, I have another question for you Pro.

[Malakittens]

I want Adam to answer first.

[Malakittens]

Pro. Don't you think I am better after Night 1?

Now I think you are just trying to force me to looks scummy. No, I don't try to look consistent. Looking consistent is more of a scum-trait. I perform better after flips. Go look at Ladies Night which is a game that I replaced in after a few flips.

[Malakittens]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23494

ISO ME.

I was a vig. I had the team pinned by connections. That's how I analyze flips.

[Malakittens]

Adam since you are fence sitting. Are you going to vote me? You keep titling towards the fact you might.

Pro, I can see scum you doing that just to set me up.

[Malakittens]

Meh. He's already on me. I don't know what you are expecting to come out of it.

Honestly though if you want to play this bullshit, I'm totally fine with being lynched. It will give the town information to catch the remaining scum.

[Malakittens]

Well everyone is giving Levi and Shrimp a get out of lynch free card off of bullshit town tells.

[Malakittens]

Yet. I'm sure that Thor/Mollie slot is probably town. You didn't even address what I asked you before about it.

Vote Count
Thor665 (L-3): Shrimp85, Adam-12
Mantisdreamz (L-4): borkjerfkin
ProHawk (L-4): Malakittens
Malakittens (L-3): Thor665, ProHawk
Shrimp85 (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Leviathan93, Guile

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Malakittens]

Why aren't you persuading your first candidate. Why are you going after your second?

[Malakittens]

Thank you both for making me throw my phone against the wall. I'm so frustrated its not funny. This IS what happens to me when I'm town. Just lynch me. Adam vote me.

[Malakittens]

What my most recent game? Bit different here then there. Bullshit sheep wagon that appeared on me. I stay calmer as scum.

If you like I can show you 3 offsite games where I'm frustrate as town well not to mention I have never once been (scum) there.

[Malakittens]

It's okay though. I'm willing to self lynch here because I want out, but forcing a replacement to read through 51 pages is torture. I don't blame bork or Thor for not wanting to read through it. I can only say unless town drastically improves this is a loss right now.

[Malakittens]

How do you counter a meta arguement without self meta?

[Malakittens]

This game is this bad.

[Malakittens]

Mantis, yet you said I was looking townish posts earlier, but now you are willing to lynch me?
I don't even.

Vote Count
Thor665 (L-4): Adam-12
ProHawk (L-4): Malakittens
Malakittens (L-2): Thor665, ProHawk, borkjerfkin
ArcAngel9 (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Guile, ArcAngel9, Leviathan93

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Malakittens]

Scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23706

Town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23533

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Adam:

I'm sorry that I had to go V/LA. I'm sorry that school is more important than MS. I'm sorry that I'm trying to be mature and put priorities first.

[Malakittens]

Did you just say 'claimed' town rather than confirmed town?..

[Malakittens]

Mantis, yet you said I was looking townish posts earlier, but now you are willing to lynch me?
I don't even.

mala, i was reading one of your posts from another game last night. to be honest, i didn't read that many (i was on my way to sleep), but you were pretty thorough, and i hadn't seen the same type of style in this game.

i still am not that sure, but i am impatient.

if you don't mind, could you link a finished scum game and town game of yours?

Actually, if you read my earlier posts I was pretty thorough in my thoughts. You can see exactly what I was thinking and knew exactly where I was coming from. May I ask which alignment was I during that game that you read? Also even which game and what date it was. I been gradually trying to change my play style recently. I pretty much think my town play style sucks and I'm slowly trying to improve.

So wait you aren't sure I'm scum, but willing to vote me? The only reason why you want to vote me is because you are impatient and want a lynch. Without putting in the factor that I'm town and I actually have been hunting and trying to help town.

[Malakittens]

Yet you are calling him townish, but it looks like he's in your group of three.

You want to lynch me- top
Mantis over Bork.

And say nothing about the others.

Remind me why you are willing to lynch someone you find townish.

[Malakittens]

I'm sorry, but there's been posts by Mantis that I truly believe are from town. Bork makes me feel otherwise tbh.

vote: bork

[Malakittens]

Please tell me how 55 is a town tell? Think everyone is going too much into these town tells things. If either shrimp or Levi gun up scum, I would want to say 'I told you so, but won't'

I'm good with my vote on Bork and Guille you should join.

Claim: not tracker

Notice how every player has almost been to L-1 this game? Guile, mantis, Thor and almost me. Yet pro, bork, Adam, Levi and shrimp have not?

Scum is within that second list.

[Malakittens]

What happens to everything said above with Adam if I turn up town, does that mean he's scum?

[Malakittens]

Ill be flipping town. How about we lynch scum instead?

[Malakittens]

Doubt it.

[Malakittens]

Cause your case is based on something I do as either alignment in terms of defending. So techinally it's null, but you're pushing it as a scum tell.

Bork has been very low in activity. He dodged major wagons and didn't give out as much reads. He does similar things as I did, but you called me out more than him. ( what I mean is he does the flips and everything) his reads also seem to be opportunist, but my reads haven't been. Right now you are tinted in mala must be scum, but aren't considering anyone else but Thor/(Mantis). You are letting both Levi/Shrimp off due to town tells. You haven't even brought up Guile since his lynch dropped. Aren't considering Adam because he's your fuck-buddy. You don't say much about Bork other than he's town for how he attacked you.

[Malakittens]

Yet you are STILL not considering the possibility that my posting is because I'm town. And it's not scum looking for town points.
1. I still contributed also. So it's null. I was also on VLA to study for school.
2. That's a paranoid town tell tbh
3. Backed me into a corner to do it. Again, it's null.
4. ^ read first setence

[Malakittens]

.

I have personal experience with scum not believing power claims while subsequently telling anyone not to counter-claim for town-points.

You do realize Guile did this right?
Well, he said don't counterclaim, but I'm not entirely sure if he believed it or not.

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I have had experience where scum take the claim at full value knowing they are telling the truth and hop off a wagon.

So yeah, null tell. Depends on who the scum is and their experience.

[Malakittens]

Arc, what specially makes you think I'm scum? What is it the i have done.

[Malakittens]

Ugh, I just hate the way Pro is lining up lynches here. It's like he's definitely saying that I'll be voting Mala on Day 2 no matter what!

I do think Adam is town. I have truly believe Thor is town and the same goes for Guile. I saw town-tells by Mantis which Guile I already explained in a catch up post and those same tells apply to Adam also.

Levi/Shrimp are my idk atm. I think Levi is scum for things he has done in the past. Shrimp hasn't given me town vibes all game and Angel's latest posts are giving me a vibe.

Once we see a flip; I'll have a clearer direction in where to look.

My top scum lists are:

ProHawk, Levi

Shrimp

Thor, Adam, Guile

(I'm treating Bork as being dead since well he got hammered by Levi)

[Malakittens]

Yes, Mantis, I believe scum would push hard for a town lynch, but it really depends on experience.

Example: Thor is great as scum and I could see Thor-scum pushing a town-lynch.

[Malakittens]

Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.

It's valid.

[Malakittens]

asjdqhwehq. (Okay, I had to do that)

Adam; Basically you are saying I'm scum because my case on ProHawk/Levi are inadequate for my skill level. What is my skill level to you?

[Malakittens]

I can properly obtain scum reads yes. Making cases? Not a strong point. I'm going to work with Tammy on that in the near future.

[Malakittens]

Thor wanted me to explain my off-site frustrated Mala.

Spoiler:

Frustrated Mala-town. (Page 133)
Pissed off Mala-town right before being lynched.(72)
Not sure what "type- Mala" this is.(55)

Wtf. Adam are you saying I used RL as an excuse to stop fucking playing. Are you living with me right now? Do you know what I'm studying for or even how many hours a day I'm working? No, you don't. I'm sorry, but I don't know your age, but if you are calling me scummy for putting RL 1st and game 2nd there is something wrong with you.

I am good at finding scum, but considering this NK is probably not going to be random this is going to decrease the chances and I am going to use a different approach. I'm glad I'm off tomorrow and Wednesday I have some time off before my finals because I can review an analyze interactions regardless of today's flip.

[Malakittens]

I linked the wrong second link. It's this one actually.

[Malakittens]

Adam: Stop stealing my "I don't even" I stole that from someone else. >.>


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Pro: <.<; I play the forum part now, I am barely on the server side unless provoked on.

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What Levi, what? >.>

[Malakittens]

Yep. So did Joly/Riku. >.>

[Malakittens]

Hey Mantis?

How high of chances do you think of a scum-pro over a scum-levi?

We aren't sure what Bork is going to flip. At this point I just want the information.

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@Adam:

It was awesome and I don't think you'll see a game like that on here. We can chat after game in PM's about it, but I don't think we should continue this here.

[Malakittens]

Levi, stop please. All you are doing is posting fluff.

UMG, why hasn't Pro called him out for this. -notenotenote-

[Malakittens]

NOU.

Mew.

(That's mah "mew" post)

[Malakittens]

Yayyyy

[Malakittens]

Thanks Hawk. <3

Next time don't turn on me, kaykay? <3

Nice job everyone. Especially nice job to hawk and Guille. ^.^

[Malakittens]

^_^

Honestly, I wasn't even aware I was crumbing a watcher role. I was trying to crumb any PR

[Malakittens]

I always tend to be Night killed after I yell at people for claiming early. Apparently this is like a huge PR vibe. I dont know.

You'll have to ask Adam or Bork what the crumbing was.

[Malakittens]

I still can't believe the pc of 600.

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Oh. The watch list is something I picked up from the other site. I never did it again b/c I didn't make a big list. As for the others I was just making Conv with jiffy :p