In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote: In post 946, Adam-12 wrote:This was no contradiction, I never read it as such either. This was Mollie
manufacturing
a contradiction and trying to make it fly. Hawk even explained it but it was blatantly obvious regardless.
It's not a contradiction, but it is a question about his scumhunting beliefs and a valid question to ask.
A question?? You clearly have not read the thread! This wasn't a question, this was a repeated ACCUSATION that she made to try and float a case on crappy logic that was clearly not true. Mantis noticed it too and called her out on it even. Why do you call it simply a "question"??
1) Overeager to dismiss all accusations against your slot
2) Too arrogant and/or lazy to even read the thread
You are too arrogant or lazy to go read my games and note that not reading the thread isn't a scumtell for me...but...
As to the question; making an accusation of someone and demanding a reply...is a question.
I know that Mollie thought it was a contradiction and admitted as much, I disagree with her, but I don't understand how that makes her scum or me scum for not thinking it's a scumtell.
It is valid though to have someone say 'Scum will do 'A' and Mollie is scum' and then to reply with 'Mollie is not doing 'A' how do you justify this?'
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:Here you misrepresent the point again. Its not about her being scum because she kept saying she wanted to be lynched for her team its that she totally repudiated it by replacing out with a statement that contradicted what she had been saying all game long.
She never said she wanted to be lynched - she said she was okay with being lynched.
You are then saying she replaced out for fear of being lynched - but there's no evidence to support that.
There is evidence to support that she replaced out because she thought town would benefit from not having her in the player slot though.
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:Again ott dismissal. Everyone can see how saying: "My game is smurfed" and replacing out while at L-1 DOES show concern for being lynched. What she replaced out because she had to go get her hair done? Furthermore, it once again, contradicts everything she had been saying all game long, again indicating a scummy replace.
Again, no actual contradiction here except contradiction based on what you think her logic was.
Even if we presume she's a player who HATES being lynched and will replace out immediately and go cry in a corner (information you should know is false because Mantis, who is aware of Mollie's meta, has specifically said this isn't true...but let's ignore that) so even if we think that...she still could be town or scum, and just fleeing the lynch.
:shrug:
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:Again spinning. It has NOTHING to do with replacing alone as you portray here. It has everything to do with her behavior and statements all game long and how she fully contradicted that in the way she replaced. You see, you weren't in this thread for 40 long pages of hearing her spew this crap and so you literally have no idea because you refuse to read the thread.
And, yet, I'm still responding to the point - with 40 pages all you have is this one point and are repeating it saying 'it *really* matters'.
Except it doesn't. You're ignoring Mantis saying that Mollie would (and has) replaced out as town and also that she would replace out as pressured town to try to help town.
At that point alone your entire issue here crumbles.
Add in that you're making assumptions about why she replaced out that have no backup and it becomes even weaker.
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:When I say weak however, I mean crappy and opportunistic cases. Two of them pop to mind: 1) Voting Hawk because he was pushing Guille for info, 2) Voting Levi because he said "those of us that are scum". These are scummy votes and that's what I mean when I say weak.
Pirate Mollie got on ProHawk at a time when Guille was a leading wagon and was being pushed hard. The only way that is scummy is if you think either Guille was her scumbuddy she was desperate to protect, or...I dunno, Guille was town and the other scum was voting Guille and she was scared to vote as well. Which of those are you going with?
The Leviathan vote actually looks unscummy to me - with herself as the big wagon she would not back any other player's push, but would instead chase a different and new wagon. Meh.
At the core, this "tell" is saying you disagree with the way Mollie got scumreads. Nothing more, nothing less. You actually aren't saying why it was logical for her as scum to make those sudden pushes on weak logic. You're just saying 'weak logic' and leaving it at that. Here's a wild thought: Town helps lynch town players all the time - clearly their logic was bad on those votes, yet that doesn't make them scum. Mollie needs a scum advantage for those votes to be scummy - one has provably none, and the other has none I can see unless you have strong opinions on Guille's alignment as well.
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:My GOSH! Do you ever stop spinning!? She didn't ask for clarification and Guille didn't hide from the thread. What are you missing?? Try 40 pages of content you refuse to read.
I went and looked and you're right.
She voted him because ProHawk asked for pressure on the slot. :shrug:
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:TOTAL SPIN. She left out Levi! Levi is an easy lynch and Mantis' question was point blank: "Do you agree with me on this? (Levi & Guille are easy lynches)" and she spun it into a defensive buddy post about Guille and didn't even mention Levi -- clearly scummy deflection and misdirection. Its a scummy way to answer a point-blank question.
She did address Guille though - and he was the focused issue.
I'll agree she dodged the Leviathan point, but I agreed with that already.
In post 1105, Adam-12 wrote:Your case on Hawk was a nice probe but its obvious now that it is just opportunistic. He clearly explained his motivations and I agree with them.
Could you address my 1079 then?
