Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)
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Yah, was seeing his you would respond to that question.
I scanned those who didn't confirm.
Levi was on the site when the PM's went out, but didn't confirm and logged like 10 mins after mine was received.
Prohawk wasn't on site at all. His last post was on the 25th.
I checked yours also and I forgot the exact time, but I am sure your time was way before PM's went out.-
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Mmk.
We are out of RVS stage now, good, glad that's settled.
I'm going toVote: Shrimp
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Well, I assumed it was sarcastic, because it just seemed so ridiculous to vote someone (seriously) because of that in the start of the game.
Maybe I was wrong.
If I was wrong, then I guess my vote would have turned from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote.
Nope, was dead on serious.
Try this link:
It's not stupid and it's not ridiculous. If scum have pregame they can avoid confirming until late so they can have their pregame chat longer.
Explain how your vote turns from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote? I don't completely understand.
By the way, Leviathon, the mafia use quicktopic to chat to each other.
I was told that the mafia could only use it at night.
But it's a seperate website, so I don't understand how it would be possible to NOT be able to chat during the day.
Where did you learn about this quick topic?
Because the mods can lock it.
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So, for me, I rather discuss possibly lynching either Shrimp or Levi.
Shrimp is quite defensive of Levi by calling my vote "non serious" and sarcastic.
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My vote puts Shrimp at L-2. So beware for those who haven't posted. I do want people who haven't posted to give thoughts on the current issues at hand.
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@Mala: How much do you remember playing with Mollie? Was she town or scum?
I'm currently playing with her. Can't discuss any details.
I reviewed Shrimp's overall post history and I seriously don't think he believes what he is posting itt.
Why exactly do you say this?
I did though check myself. No current finished games. State-wide rules won't allow us to talk or ask regarding them.
I did see that he is from another site. Any chance you mind throwing out one recent scum and one recent finished town games of yours please, Shrimp?-
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A more serious question is why would we still want to be in a RVS stage, Levi?
Oh man, I don't need to be mixing "innocent" and "town" up. Since I keep going back and forth between sites with posting.
Good start, good start on the reads.
Why would you claim when you aren't at L-1?
For future reference, don't ever, ever do that.
I should keep telling myself that because I sometimes do it. >_>
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Blacksmith =/= townie, you know that right?
Claiming early is bad. It helps scum get a sense of hunting for PR and PR reactions to these types of posts. Don't do it unless you are at L-1.
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I feel bad for all of you after you read this wall. I wall when I'm in the mood to wall and it's not a bad thing for me, trust me.
Even though my vote on Levi was serious and it was designed it get us out of RVS before it even started. I was using it to get reactions from all players.
Levi- Originally I was as if he might have been scum just due to his reaction.
His Post 31 At first I thought he was going for the approach of 'I don't have a clue what you are talking about'.
He has a completed game which is here. He could talk anytime during that game, although he did not say anything during that game.
I have already stated that I disliked his post #49 because claiming early is not beneficial to the town especially when it's a role game as this one. Claiming early gives scum a better shot at hitting a PR during night phrases.
His post here makes me think that he's probably town only because he started giving out his reads without being asked. I see less of mafia doing that during Day 1 because they are afraid to slip up, especially new mafia players. This post is another I had an issue with which was brought up. These posts are common new-town mistakes.
*This post here is why I'm labeling him as town. Mainly because quicklynches benefit scum rather than town and he's clearly not for it.
Mollie:
I would like you to answer why you have Prohawk as town. (Prohawk do not interfere.)
I don't see how ProHawk asking that is town-motivated. Not to mention that you stated that he was trying to "provoke" you.
I'm not really understanding your read on Mantis. To me she's leaning null at this point.
I'm putting you on a watchlist. >_>
Prohawk:
I think your case on Shrimp was a bit graspy.
Basically you are going after Mollie and Shrimp. As Mollie stated trying to "provoke" her and the case on Shrimp is weak.
This play is incredibly different from our most recent Micro Game.
Highest FoS so far.
Shrimp:
My vote turns serious mode because I find the reason to vote Leviathon very lacking.
It's a strategy of scum, but it's not a clear scum tell by a long shot.
That's why I assumed it was sarcasm, and the way that Pirate Mollie just joined your wagon,
makes me suspect her. Not only that, pirate mollie also just switched votes to me for no apparent reason.
Yes, but from my tone and the tones of people after you should have realized that I was clearly trying to get us out of RVS, but instead you tried putting us back into RVS.
Sometimes it is a strategy of scum, but I agree that it's not a clear scum tell, but you are able to figure out scum by their reactions to these types of posts.
I do though like the fact you are looking at Mollie and questioning for that vote.
And for the second question, Adam-12 should be able to answer this question if he actually DID read my history.
In my first game the discussion about quicktopic came up. Check it for yourself if you like.
If it's ongoing I really can't talk about it and I'm not planning on perusing it as of yet. The answer during my first game would have been fine, but I'm not really liking the tone here.
Playing the new card here can be considered a scum tell. I actually did it a lot during my first scum game (Guille totally knows). I was at the time new to this site, but I had another site experience, but the two sites are just totally different.
I did though take asking the mod about QT as a possible scum-asking mod a question. Considering the question you asked and then I furthered asking was in Post #2. Then I read it again and didn't really see it that way anymore.
Your post #146 is something that I already covered. I already asked them to stop the conversation regarding role PM's.
I still think the whole thing against Mollie is a bit WIFOM-y in terms of her being killed during the night. I am seeing the end as lining up a lynch already on Mollie if she doesn't get killed during Night 1.
*I'm going to give you a FoS, but you are showing signs of hunting. So it's a very low FoS, but on the verge of being put on a watch list.
Adam:
Others have asked this, but I'm going to ask it in a different way. How does asking about Mafia experience and asking questions of games did you play with Player "X" help this game? What information so far have you gotten from them?
What makes me wonder is this:
Or let me put it another way, you don't think scum would not confirm because they are chatting in the Q/T & would be otherwise occupied? Isn't it a reasonable motivation for ultimately falling asleep instead of confirming?
It seems as if you took my stance very seriously, but with held a vote. I am not sure why exactly you withheld it.
Levi is obviously town, his explanation proves that whereas Shrimp's explanation proves he is scum.
The point is that the original case on Levi IS a good reason to vote (the only problem is Levi is town).
When did you see that it was a good reason to vote?
You never really explain why those explanations prove each or even point that direction.
Giving an FoS. Possibly willing to vote depending on what you come up regarding lists. So pending evaluation.
Vote: Prohawk
Reads:
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Prohawk
Adam
Shrimp
Watchlist:
Mollie
Town:
Levi
Null:
Guille
Codex
Mantis
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In post 67, Malakittens wrote:I'm going to do the following action in the nicest way possible.
-paws Mollie-
I think he mixed up terms, let's drop it and not discuss PM's. YOU ARE HELPING THE SCUM OUT. >.>-
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ProHawk:
Your ISO reads the following:
Levi is probable town.
Mala got us out of RVS stage. I was going to lean that you are probably calling me town. >.>
Attacks Mollie.
Pokes at Adam.
Tells Adam to stop taking the grilling from Mantis as Mantis is "fencesitting"
Attacks Shrimp.
Stops attacking Shrimp and goes back to Mollie.
Calls Shrimp obvstown.
So, is your play style completely different from Micro game where we were both town? Yes.
Am I completely sold that you are scum? No, but I'm planning on digging for your thoughts.
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In post 167, pirate mollie wrote:In post 166, Malakittens wrote:#146I already asked them to stop the conversation regarding role PM's.
where did you do this?
thinking you are pretty disengaged despite my liking you intro into the game.
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I'd love to know how I'm currently reading Guile as null equals to reading him as scum. You do realize that Mantis is reading Guile as scummy and is on your low scum-radar. Personally I don't know how you are reading the no posters towards the bottom rather than null. -.-
Not to mention mantis IS voting Guile.
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Going to nitpick a bit here. Which is amazingly uncanny for me.
I think you have wayyyy to many innocent reads or gut feels to be exact.
The only two scum reads that you have are because they either posted once or not at all. >.>
ProHawk isn't acting totally innocent to me, but he's acting scummy. He wanted to get Guille a hammer on him without allowing Guille to explain or even having CodeX post his reads or views on any material. To me finding connections based off one post is hard depending on whether or not Codex or Guille were to flip scum.
Plus to label someone "scum" only because you have too many innocent reads isn't that good. It comes off as a "forced" feeling.-
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Dude, this is how Guille rolls. He's not scummy. I like to lurk as town as well, but just haven't been in a lurky mood.
She pushed it because she was asking about the flavor, which is another reason I didn't like prohawk's either.
If you think talking outloud about PM's in general something is wrong, seriously wrong.
Few things I hate and will think you are scummy for is:
1. Role fishing
2. Softclaims
3. Early claiming for no reason
All of these points above help scum figure out PRs.
I don't really like how he changed it so fast. .>.>-
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We started RVS at 1:15 PM est Monday 26th.
He did not post until Tuesday, 27th at 8:30am, which was his first post then followed by another post on this game 2 minutes after.
He then posted less than 30 minutes on another game which was then followed by a prod on a player in a game where he's modding.
His first three posts today was his modding duties again on the game. Followed by his two posts here.
You are litterally grasping at straws here to call him active lurking man.-
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Mantis. I'm very quiet during Day 1. If I survive Night 1 I'm able to figure out who scum is by Day 2 and by Day 3 I have the whole team. Don't underestimate me by a long shot. I am hunting, but I was reaction testing.
I'm sticking up for Guille because Adam, but Levi were putting him as actively lurking when he wasn't. He said it in his own post.-
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You are getting time stamps mixed up
Vote Count
Adam-12 (L-3): Guile, Malakittens
Prohawk (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Code-X (L-4): Leviathan93
Pirate Mollie (L-2): ProHawk, Shrimp85, Adam-12
Malakittens (L-4): Mantisdreamz
Not Voting: Code-X
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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Adam.. Do you have a finished town game, here or another site?
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Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-3): Shrimp85, Guile
Guile (L-2): ProHawk, Pirate Mollie, Mantisdreamz
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12
Not Voting: leviathan93
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST
Why is the delete button so close to the edit button? I almost accidentally your whole post.Last edited by Majiffy on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:20 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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I don't think experience has anything to do with that. New-scum will know because the *mods* say it in the QT. It's really under the discretion of the mod and he did have it written in post 2 that it happening which is why I was watching times.
I did it during my micro game in regards to allowing pregame chat.-
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I rather not be lynched when I can be useful later on.
Then again why am I telling you this? You know what I'm capable of.
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Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-2): Shrimp85, Guile
Mantisdreamz(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12
Leviathan (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Malakittens (L-4): ProHawk
Not Voting: leviathan93, Mantisdreamz
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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In post 427, Malakittens wrote:Alright. Going to be v/la til Monday night. Got a bunch of tests to study for and work this weekend.
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Can I put a post restriction on you? I won't be assed to read your ISO and go through 218 posts.
unvote
Your play from your newbie is quite different. There were some similarities such as word choices, but there's a more of a town oriented how you are going about it this game.
Hey Mollie. Since you are from another site. Mind linking me there to a recent town/scum game?
In this order I want to review: ProHawk, Mantis & Mollie.
I still have that town read on Levi. It's mainly due to me modding his recent scum game and his play is different. He was over caring about making enemies which caused him to try to appease those who suspected him, but he didn't do that here.
Which regarding enemies I have an awesome song in my head
"There's no destiny
When everyone's your enemy"-
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Mollie. I checked Tit and that's your only completed game. The newbie is not finished therefore I can't meta you.
I can handle reading harsh things as long as they aren't directed towards me. So possible link offsite games.
And I don't really want to do the audio >.>
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Oh please murder me now, I left off on Page 18/31. I blame Adam!
Adam's post
My case on Mollie boils down to:
1) Her RVS scum-aware vote for Shrimp
2) Her obsession with being lynched & declaring she is not scum
3) Her directing of the Tracker/Watcher
4) Cog-dis & AtE in her defense when wagoned
5) Her anti-town attitude when wagoned
Feel free to inquire about any point.
1) Link me to this post and explain why it's a scum-aware vote.
2) Okay, the only probable thing I see here could be that she's saying lynch me for "town cred" and I agree declaring that you aren't scum can be a scum tell, but that's grasping at straws.
3) I agree with this being a possible scum tell. I hate when people direct Night Actions, but the last few times I have seen someone do it they were town. So conflicted here.
4) AtE is not a scum tell.
5) What anti-town attitude?..
PM & Mantiz: Why is Guille "scum" for Post 438
This post
Why would you lynch make him look bad? Why do you even care what it makes him look like? I don't want this for my team - make it seems like you KNOW his alignment.
I do not like this post, do not like it one bit. Buddying here needs to stop!
Uh
@Borky: Where's your read on Mala and Mantis?
This smells of town
Only problem is that they can fake these special tells, but also change them up. Meta isn't always as reliable as it's made out to be. I just found that out the hard way.
HAI TOWN FEEL
I agree that town tend to be more paranoid in general, but scum tend to be a lot calmer.
There's a few town tells I been getting from Adam which hopefully by finishing reading the clusterfuck of pages I'll be able to describe.
@Mantis
Why should Adam be lynched today?
Oh I misread as it as Shrimp did, neverminddd.
Stop Buddying.
Something commonly done by town
NOT READING THE THREAD DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE IS SCUM. THIS HAPPENS TO BE DONE BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS, SO IT'S A NULL TELL.
@Mantis: I don't think that is a big scumslip. I mean I can see how it can be considered one, but I wouldn't really take much thought into it as of yet
OKAY, PM is town
METaaaatttackkk.
Oh, but for the sake of conversation. Stop, Drop& rollthe freaking JMT's. You make me want to twitch when I see them.
No
I have seen town more times out of ten meta someone rather than scum.
Well
Least this time you included both Mantis and Mala, but those reads are so icky, it's not even funny.
Right
I commonly see town tank more rather than scum. Scum like to give up a fight unless they are the last one standing and then they'll just give up.
Bad Levi
Stop being a kissup to Bork, please, kthanks?
@Levi
You already know how I felt about your claim. You didn't help the town out by claiming early instead you fucked us over. If this was just plain vanilla game then I can be like whatever, but the fact IS we do have PR's in this game. You narrowed the field for them having to search for the PR's. So please tell me why you deserved to be Night Killed over any other player here?
Again
Normally done by town.
Awesome
Why did you just take my post before that seriously? I almost think you were willing to sway your read if I said yes.
@Guille
What Mollie was looking at regarding Levi.
I had a reason.
So basically you want me to see if she OMGUS-ed as town or scum. Okay I'll double check that after. I wasn't exactly sure what you wanted out of that.
I removed my vote, but I forgot exactly why I had it. Was something he was doing. >.>
@Bork:
Yeah, I did not have a town read. He was leaning null.
Loved the beginning of this post of Shrimps, but hated the end
Hey Pro, why did you poke at me for saying the same thing as Levi, but didn't say the same thing to Levi in his post #708.
My town mindset. (:
I'm so glad you are trying to direct attention for me for lurking when I feel that you are constantly jumping into arguments and then laying back as they take off into fireworks.
I LOL'd so hard
Bit of a filler post as you just literally agreed yet went wish-washy afterwards.
I tend to get twitchy and paranoid and panicky as town rather than scum.
I'm going to do a pretty list of anything that gives me a gut "town" read of Adam.
Uno
Dos
Tres
&&&&TLDR&&& (Or something to that nature)
I'm getting twitchy posts from Levi lately. He's no longer much of a town read as it was before the game started. Weak scum read.
I'm going to watch ProHawk, I don't trust him. Leaning scum.
Adam has become a town read.
PM a town read.
Bork is a mild-town read.
Not really sure what to make of Guille.
Mantis is a weak town read. I want to watch for caution though.
Shrimp is town.
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