Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am town this game.

UK and I are never the same alignment.

[color#0000FF]Therefore, it can be said with certainty that UK is scum.[/color]

Nothing resembling blue is permitted -Fate

VOTE: UK

Any questions? No? Good.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Waking up to Eternity

It is what it is

And this is how we know it's a Fate game.

Let's get this madhouse hate war started.

So, as you all know, I fly off the handle at things I perceive as stupid. Instead of that, I am quite simply going to ignore whatever absolutely DICKTARDED thing is said that would normally set me off. So remember kids, if I'm not responding to your points, that probably means you're a fucking idiot and should reconsider how you use your brain cells. Or consider using them in the first place, really.

But I'm sure we won't have that problem with THIS playerlist, right~?

Vote: UncertainKitten

(L-3)
for promising to lurk when under pressure.

I am town this game.

UK and I are never the same alignment.

Therefore, it can be said with certainty that UK is scum.

VOTE: UK

Any questions? No? Good.

Unvote: UncertainKitten
Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

(L-6)
So... You're

guaranteeing

that you're not the same alignment as UK, but merely

implying

that UK is scum...?

Also, since nobody else wants to bring it up, I will. Are we going to do anything at all with the bounties?

@Vi: Have you ever read Umineko? It's a joke. Red truth must always be the truth etc. It's being said because UK and I have never been the same alignment in a game.

As for the Bounties thing... scum can take advantage of bounties too.... so I don't think people should claim and ask to be lynched for bounty, no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi, I want to keep my lynches pure and townie.
I was also playing with the idea of nameclaiming.

Name claiming seems ok.... but anyone with knowledge of flavor can determine certain roles with just a name.

Helps scum a TON, with only minimal gain for town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Vi: Have you ever read Umineko? It's a joke. Red truth must always be the truth etc. It's being said because UK and I have never been the same alignment in a game.

You're missing the point. Insert coin and try again.

What am I missing? >.> What do I need to answer for?

/tired

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Seraphim: ...I should be ignoring you, but this is too perfect.

What's disturbing about this is who's hosting that image. (Hint: me)

@Vi: Never said I'd lurk, merely that I wouldn't answer batshit insane points. It seems to be the only way I'll avoid getting really irritated at people.

You answered mine

Lady I Know I'm Going to Start Abusing Non-Alphanumeric Characters In A Few Pages - I've never read Umineko but I know what the colors mean.
Even so. The question is why that third sentence isn't in red.

Bounties - Right now I don't think there's any reason to deal with it, but later on it might be worth bringing up. It depends on how the game goes.

I really hate to setup speculate but who is most likely to be scum? I was thinking Vicious might be possible but who the hell would he be partnered with? BTW, I have a vague amount of flavor knowledge, I've watched a few episodes of the show but that's about it, though I do know SOME things.

I think this would be best answered around when the bounties start coming into play.

\


The third statement is not in red because of Knox's 2nd.

It is forbidden to use supernatural tendencies to solve the case.

The blue truth is a theory, and becomes a truth when no other red truth can deny it. If I were to put it in red, I would be breaking Knox's 2nd, by virtue of the Red Truth being available only to witches.



I told you it was stupid.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LLD

Last time she used those pretty colors, she was scum.

Also greetings to all I have played with before (everyone except Toast)

and possibly rhinox, who died in 50 posts

Hey look! It's a Katsuki!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I TOLD YOU GUYS IT WAS A JOKE REFERENCE.

YOU COULDN'T LEAVE IT AT THAT.

NOOOOOOOOO, YOU HAD TO DRAG IT OUT AND MAKE ME EXPLAIN IT.

AND NOW I'M EMBARRASSED. ;_;

P-Edit: Shit, Fate's gone power happy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On another note... I'm wary about Bounty lynches because

it may only take one lynch to activate a bounty power for the entire game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LLD

Last time she used those pretty colors, she was scum.

Also greetings to all I have played with before (everyone except Toast)

and possibly rhinox, who died in 50 posts

^ I approve of this random vote. P. Edit - But apparently Vi does not...

I've played with toast, so, as a whole, we've played with everyone.

P. Edit 2: Dammit Kat, don't get us thrown out!

On another note... I'm wary about Bounty lynches because

it may only take one lynch to activate a bounty power for the entire game

Please read the bounty mechanics. You'll find this isn't true.

P. Edit 3: People, just let me post already!

-AH

Really?

Then why does my bounty work that way?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm saying Nameclaiming is BAD UK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's something: The thing about bounties is that I know for a fact there are some bounties that only require one bounty, and they can be used for the whole game.

So all it would take is for one bounty to be achieved and there's the potential that scum has another power for the WHOLE GAME.

Bad Bad Bad Bad Bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But how good can a power really be if it only takes one bounty to get it?

As good as the person using it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ugh, sry about the quote fail in #57

@Toasty: Elaborate the scum intent behind Seraphim's soft claim

My vote on seraphim is a gutread that I'm ready to change when I find someone to be more scummy. His soft-claim just struck me as something intended to confuse. Like "hey...I have information that may hurt the scum team, but I'm not going to tell you it TEEHEE"

Mm...can I request a halt to this line of logic? I feel it's dancing around softclaims which we kinda have too many of for three pages. It can, and probably should be revisited later. But for now I think we're not at a good point for it.

Agreed. The whole Bounty

concept should just be ignored for now because it requires mis-lynches

.

What? I was under the impression that the bounty could be placed on scum or town? This line is weird...

UNVOTE: VOTE: Toasty

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Kdub: Best you're getting. I don't make tables and graphs of what responses are most likely and what responses make someone scum. I read the game questioning odd things until I get an intent read. That softclaim covered the intent I was looking for. It wasn't an answer I LIKED occurring, but it still would answer the matter of intent nicely.

@Vi: Clarify please. Was the statement Nacho quoted intended to shut down DISCUSSION of the bounties?

Hmm...so, last night I was thinking this but was too tired to really pursue it because I'd also wanna check against her ISO and such...
After sleeping on it, I feel a bit more resolved.

Unvote, Vote LadyLambdadelta

That cute little jump on Toast REEKS of opportunism. Further, there's a disproportionate effort spent defending the colored text. Not sure what to make of the bounty stuff but combined with everything else, I feel there's a chance it's a bit of IIoA to try to look pro town going with the mechanics talk. That would be my weakest thing on her.

Basically, I guess the intent read I'm getting is "I'm a good townie! Really, I am! You don't need to look over here and check, nosiree!"

I'm seeing Vi's Jahudo twitch in ISO.

The Seraphim wagon isn't BAD, but I feel like we're missing something with it. Some key questions should be asked at this point.

Seraphim, why do you feel comfortable about your vote? You haven't actually explained it thus far, and the rest of your contribution has been flavor spec. You're better than this, so what's holding you back?

So wait, let me see if I'm getting this right.

Me voting Toasty on something I found scummy in his posts... Was opportunistic?

I believe there were no other votes on his wagon at the time UK... I don't see how that is "opportunistic".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rather... I have a problem with CES.

You jump on the Toasty wagon without so much as a WORD as to why.

And then jump off just as easily, when Vi shifts her focus onto Seraphim. With the same amount of explanation.

Unvote; Vote: CES

Explain your reasons behind your votes on Toasty and Seraphim. So help me god if you regurgitate Vi and I.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Opportunist to me speaks as to, "voting on a leading Wagon, with the opportunity to get it lynched and gain something from it".

Whether that be town points, or a mislynch, it's about them not having a case, or a reason for their vote, beyond "this person is an easy and good lynch for me".

Starting a wagon in someone to put pressure on them, when lynch threshold is 7... I don't consider opportunist.

I do consider CES opportunist though.

Also, I got around to reading Toasty's responce... And it's better than I expected TBH. Not warranting a vote anymore, that's for sure.

CES needs more votes and more pressure...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Vi: why would ANYONE try and play against their win-con like that? If he's town, he's providing nothing in the form of content or reads for the town.

I don't get where you're drawing that "he tries to be an easy target" from... But if it is true, I hate it already.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me re-state that.

If you're right about that, he needs a bullet in his head tonight from a vigil.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, he's like Jack?

Ok... I see what you mean. I still hate it though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And furthermore, I still want him to answer my questions.

So the vote stands until he does.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What I'm getting at is, Vi pointed out a single particular post (jahudo 51) that made her twitch. When I asked about what about that post was the problem, I'm pointed to jahudo's entire iso and a string of "posts that are trying to look Town/friendly more than anything else." by both you and vi, which doesn't explain what about post 51 is twitch inducing.

We're not going to just give it to you...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Explain your reasons behind your votes on Toasty and Seraphim.

Bandwagonning ho!

P.S. Claims of my Jackishness have been greatly exaggerated.

First, since when am I MuBeta?

Secondly, I think I see what you're saying, even if you're a man of few words.

UNVOTE:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Personal record obviously, fairly sure that other people have gotten lynched quicker.

Also, GreyICE,

what about Toast, man

? I'm sure you had like eighteen scumtells on him maaaaaan.

"Why me?"

"Why not Toast instead?"

I wanna vote Seraphim. What's he at? L-2? or L-1?

Can I get a VC Fate?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Seraphim

Claim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Seraphim

Claim?

really?

Yes. Really. His interaction with Grey was TERRIBAD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Seraphim

Claim?

He was at L-1? @_@

P-Edit: Hypocracy, HO! You accuse me of jumping of a big wagon Sera, and yet YOU OMGUS VOTE ME?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My jokes are what I like to call "post-humor", as that rather than creating amusement for others, I am creating humor for myself.

I refuse to believe that your comment about Toasty was a "joke".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's something; I can explain the intent behind your vote on me very easily.

As scum, you feel yourself being wagoned, and then switch your vote to the next largest wagon to try and save yourself.

You haven't even given me a reason why you think I am scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Start reading the game then.

Also, you seem to assume that I'm an idiot. Please don't make that assumption again.

Nice AtE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Logic has no place in a game of Mafia.

This is a great argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UT, I feel like Toasty is town-ish.

Seraphim is terribad scum though.

I'm building a case right now as we speak.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm looking forward to shoveling out the bullshit you plan on dumping onto this game.

I also look forward to reading your case.

Oh, wait.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think my comment was directed towards:

My apologies for forcing that much out.

It felt overly apologetic, like she wanted to dodge accusations of roleclaiming. It was unnecessary when I felt the point was put out just fine that she wasn't going to press the point. I'm not so sure about whether or not it's a scumtell but it definitely felt off to me at the time. It still feels off actually.

You actually feel somewhat more comfortable with your vote however?
Put an extra qualifier or two in there, I'm not sure it has enough conviction behind it.

my vote was "random" before. However means it was an afterthought, a contrast with my previous statement. Somewhat means not all the way, but still stronger than a random vote. Actually means it has transitioned to a more serious vote. I don't see any waffling. Jahudo lines it up pretty nice.

You're better than this, so what's holding you back?

I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth hunting/lynching the bounty today.

Unvote
Vote: GreyICE

I smell rhetoric.

If this post contained more waffles Seraphim could open a diner.

I have a gut read of my own. You're scum. It's a good gut read. Flavor mechanics, IoA, setup speculation, and more waffles than Jahudo.

Then he backs off.

Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence? Overdefensive.

Also more rhetoric. Looks like baseless qualifiers for weak votes.

I operate on gut reads and change my mind a lot?

self-meta fail.

Here are some things you did in this post.

One: For the second time this game, you have voted someone who has been applying pressure on you.

Second: You misrepped the FUCK out of GreyICE here. All your comments between the quote strips are completely wrong, and trying to support a non-existent case on Grey. (Ex.: "Self-meta"? "Backs off"?)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're wasting your time. I'm not getting lynched today.

Your confidence is unfounded. Your scum ass will be lynched unless your scumbuddies have a governor power to save your ass with.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm thinking if we pull a player more likely to scum on our bounty we should try to pursue it. For example, does anyone think that this cowboy guy is likely to be scum? I don't know anything about him to be honest.

Flavor speculation is bad.

It only helps scum.

If you want an example, I'll link you to Higurashi Mafia. SK won that game because town got sucked in by flavor.

It's only to scum's benefit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh mafiascum, always a surprise to come back to. <_<

CES, what's going on?

Why are you asking him? Read the thread yourself, and make your own conclusions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If this post contained more waffles Seraphim could open a diner. Not liking him.

to

Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence?

You use waffling as if it's scummy. Therefore, calling my statement waffling means that you believe my actions are scummy. All of a sudden, the comment becomes an "offhand statement". You're backpedalling, backtracking, what the fuck ever. I think it's backpedalling.

Logic has no place in a game of Mafia.

This is more misrep.

GreyICE clearly was not saying it was an offhand statement. He was saying you were taking it super seriously, and being over-defensive.

P-Edit: I do have a huge wagon on me. Much thanks to your vote, and 2 RVS votes (Antitown and UT). I have yet to see a case either.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UK, you do realize your vote in on me right?

ROLEFISHING?

YOU'RE ACCUSING ME OF ROLEFISHING?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seraphim, I will not that you told me you were at L-2. I had said before that, I wanted to vote you.

I put you to L-1. Generally, a claim is a good idea at that point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You were certainly more concerned with my role than my alignment when you made that vote.

Yes, it's a good idea. No, it's not good to vote someone just to push a claim.

I didn't vote you JUST to push a claim.

Did you even read my posts before I voted you? I voted you for your posts talking about why GI was voting you, and not Toasty!

You are misrepping me, AGAIN.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I operate on gut reads and change my mind a lot?

Logic is what I like to operate on.

You make me laugh.

This is more Misrepping.

You are using GI's quotes out of context.

And now you're doing the same thing to me.

This is your pattern. You vote the person voting you, and engage in a 1v1 with them. Then you begin misrepping their posts and cases.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rhinox - Antitown and Jahudo have mostly made posts that are trying to look Town/friendly more than anything else.

You came to that conclusion from just one post?

Yes, and the posts that have come afterward from both of them have done nothing to change my mind.

LLD 109 - Who is "we"? And if you're including yourself, why are you not voting with me?

Also, how do you take C∴S's accusation that you are a "bandwagoning ho"?

GreyICE's 105 is not the clear posting that was advertised, because I can barely tell what's being said. Seraphim is definitely correct about smelling rhetoric, because ICE looks like he's trying to build himself up to be this Big Deal that he's really not.

I find it strange that you

[Toasty]

townpoints to whoever has Andy's role just like that, because I don't think it has any alignment indication at all.

When did he do this?

Seraphim 126 and 128 really don't look like they're coming from Town.

LLD 134 - Okay, your name for the rest of the game is "Bandwagoning Ho".

Everything after that - Waiting on C∴S.

---

Seraphim and Bandwagoning Ho - What do you think of the wagons you have on youse?

LainICE - Thoughts on Toasty?

I think that my wagon is being led by a scum, taking advantage of 2 RVS votes, and an outdated UK case (which I acknowledged and explained).

I don't know what to think about CES, but I think he's just content to wagon WHOMEVER.

Besides UK's case, I have seen nothing to the effect of a case posted.

P-Edit: UK, I wasn't talking about you with a lack of a case.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: To elaborate, what he's trying is to argue accepted claim practice is SOMEHOW rolefishing. Yeah. No.

There's a reason that asking for a claim after voting someone to L-1

shouldn't

be accepted claim practice.

U. vote count impending.

Cut by Bandwagoning Ho - Where is Nacho in this?

Nacho voted me? Sorry, I didn't notice that.

Uh.... I had a town read on Nacho... probably misguided town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still want to find his reasoning on voting you, LLD.

Also, cute new avi, LLD.

All right, so Seraph is at L-3. I'll make that L-2

Vote Seraphim

In order:

1.I'm looking through his ISO UK, and the best I can find is Rolefishing thing. Which is stupid (even if you disagree with the practice of claiming at L-1).

2. Thanks :3 (I'm thinking about putting some Kamina glasses on it)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, lemme cool down for a second. I probably am letting the "heat of the hunt" get to me a little bit.

LLD, humor me for a moment. You claim that you put me at L-1 "for [Seraphim's] posts talking about why GI was voting [Seraphim], and not Toasty!". Do you think this was a pressing reason to put me at L-1? If so, why are you freaking out so much about me voting you for making that vote? Also, better question, where's the Nacho hate? He put you at L-1 for apparently NO reason. Or rather, very little reasoning. For all your yelling about making cases, you seem to have quite a selective bend towards who you want to make cases on you.

BTW, a lot of your posts that you quoted as misreps were either A. not misreps or B. jokes. For instance, the logic one was purely for my own amusement and to elicit a reaction.

This is a load of bull.

First off, learn to read. I JUST posted that I missed the Nacho vote.

Secondly,

stop explaining your scum actions with "it was a joke".

You're not fooling anyone.

Thirdly, they ARE misreps.

And finally, AGAIN with the "Why me?" "Why not Nacho?"

Keep scumming it up, bud.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, lemme cool down for a second. I probably am letting the "heat of the hunt" get to me a little bit.

LLD, humor me for a moment. You claim that you put me at L-1 "for [Seraphim's] posts talking about why GI was voting [Seraphim], and not Toasty!". Do you think this was a pressing reason to put me at L-1? If so,

why are you freaking out so much about me voting you for making that vote?

Also, better question, where's the Nacho hate? He put you at L-1 for apparently NO reason. Or rather, very little reasoning. For all your yelling about making cases, you seem to have quite a selective bend towards who you want to make cases on you.

BTW, a lot of your posts that you quoted as misreps were either A. not misreps or B. jokes. For instance, the logic one was purely for my own amusement and to elicit a reaction.

why are you freaking out so much about me voting you for making that vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP:

me voting you for making that vote?

I meant to quote strip that further.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I explained why they were misreps.

READ MY POSTS FFS.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If this post contained more waffles Seraphim could open a diner. Not liking him.

to

Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence?

You use waffling as if it's scummy. Therefore, calling my statement waffling means that you believe my actions are scummy. All of a sudden, the comment becomes an "offhand statement". You're backpedalling, backtracking, what the fuck ever. I think it's backpedalling.

Logic has no place in a game of Mafia.

This is more misrep.

GreyICE clearly was not saying it was an offhand statement. He was saying you were taking it super seriously, and being over-defensive.

P-Edit: I do have a huge wagon on me. Much thanks to your vote, and 2 RVS votes (Antitown and UT). I have yet to see a case either.

This post clearly explains your misrep of GreyICE.

ALSO, quote the whole post from now on. Because you cut off my post, and left out the part where I give examples of what you are misrepping.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@UK: I'm not voting GreyICE because I still think Seraphim can be scum. I unvoted Sera to avoid a quick-lynch. I suspect GreyICE too, but I am reasonably sure that if Seraphim is scum, then GreyICE is town.

My thoughts on LLD: the last few pages have been her defending from attacks that started when she put Seraphim on "L-1." Nacho did the same thing to her. If we're going to lynch her for that then we shouldn't let Nacho get away with it either.

Well, I don't think Nacho did anything all that wrong either in

asking for a claim.

It's standard operating procedure.

The only time there would be a problem, is if the person didn't have a case (I provided one).

And, you're missing things. There past few pages haven't just been me defending myself. It also contains a LOT of my case on Seraphim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm.

What is the Kitten thinking?

Rather, is the Kitten thinking the same as me...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rhinox:

why GreyICE over LLD?

Just curious.

I could honestly fly for either one right now

.

This is bad.

This reads as: "Oh, there's a new wagon forming? Let me get someone else to

post a case for it

, so I can

hop on it at my earliest convenience

!"

In case you're wondering, the bolded parts match up, and the underlined parts match up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, you're an idiot. Scumhunting becomes rather difficult when every single post I make becomes another tumor on your convoluted "case". Thanks for clearing up any indecision I might have had concerning my vote on you. Tell me, how exactly does it make sense for me to jump off this hot wagon and switch back to another wagon which has one person on it? No, don't say "lol WIFOM" because that's dodging the question at hand.

You keep assuming that I'm stupid. Stop.

I am genuinely interested in what Rhinox has to say.

There is nothing I hate more than editing myself if you haven't already noticed.

In order:

You're telling me not to assume you're stupid... but you call me an idiot. Right...

Also, I'll note that I haven't resorted to Ad Hom.... you have.

Secondly, YOU tell ME why you would want to jump off my wagon? You JUST said that you were, and I quote, "Happy with either wagon". This means you would be perfectly happy to jump off my wagon, and onto Grey's.

So you tell ME.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, why exactly didn't you attack me for my vote on you?

Because I didn't notice your vote at the time.

Though, I want you to present a case on me (I've been asking for that).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: To elaborate, what he's trying is to argue accepted claim practice is SOMEHOW rolefishing. Yeah. No.

There's a reason that asking for a claim after voting someone to L-1

shouldn't

be accepted claim practice.

U. vote count impending.

Cut by Bandwagoning Ho - Where is Nacho in this?

Nacho voted me? Sorry, I didn't notice that.

Uh.... I had a town read on Nacho... probably misguided town.

You noticed here, in your ISO #42. But you distinctly never demanded for me to present the case on you. You were too busy fighting with Seraphim... Is that the reason, perhaps?

I thought I did ask for a case by you... weird. Sorry about that, I meant to.

I guess I'll ask now.

Can you make a case on me? :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm about to pound my head into a wall.

Yeah, scum tend to do that when they're caught out and can't escape.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I get the feeling everyone in this game is American

OR

Canadian but me.

Edited a terrible, horrible fusion of two seperate races of people. -Fate

Super Mod Powers, ACTIVATE!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rhinox: why GreyICE over LLD? Just curious.

I could honestly fly for either one right now.

They both seem to be pushing bad cases and trying to make them out to be scummy when IMO they're not. But ICE seems more likely to be doing it from a scummy motivation.

@Rhinox: Why is the LLD wagon good? Did you ever explain this?

technically, all I said was it was better than the seraph wagon >.>

I really didn't like her asking seraph to claim, and her claiming the exchange between seraph and grey made seraph look bad is backwards - IMO its the other way around. And then she threw out a couple wiki tell 1-line accusations - OMGUS, nice ATE - which by the way, the post she called ATE is not even close to being ATE. And then she decides to build a case after she voted and all, which came across as artificial.

And I don't think I've ever seen this case yet, either.

GREYICE LOOK HERE NAO!

Grey just curious how you came up with that thar scumlist, particularly

jahudo as town after earlier you called him a good wagon

, and UT showing up as town, where as earlier he was null. For that matter, you voted me, and now I'm town. And only 1 scum and 1 scummy. You think the rest of the scum are in the lurker list?

Rhinox, that would be because you aren't reading.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Vi: I'll admit the latest barrage of questions felt careless. As in "attempting to look proactively pro town real quick here", but kinda missing the fact things had been answered. Sorta like he was trying to pump up his vitals with the serum stuff in Trauma center, but somehow missed. Except in this case his vitals were his townness. I still like Sera scum better, but GI is not outside the realm of possibility.

@Rhinox: You have a couple good points, but I have to disagree with the claim point, because that seemed fairly routine. The AtE accusation was bad, as was OMGUS, but, to be honest, Seraphim wasn't that great so I'm willing to overlook those. Finally, as for case after vote, I've done that pretty often regardless of alignment. Sometimes you want reactions. Sometimes you think it is so bleeding obvious someone is scum, that you feel no need to spell it out. Sometimes you just plain forget to tell people what you're thinking.

@LLD: Have you posted a concise collection of your points on Seraphim? IIRC I asked for one of those from both of you, and I haven't noticed either really delivering.

Ugh.

You want a wall? I posted points of my case in separate posts as I read Seraphim's ISO.

If you read my recent ISO, you'll see it for the most part.

If you really want a concise wall, I'll give it though. Just let me find a time when I'm free to make a long post like that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't need a wall. I need five sentences or less detailing your strongest points against Seraphim. You needn't include everything unless I ask for it.

This is more do-able. Give me a minute.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Primarily, Seraphim has refused to provide any valid content in his posts. He has consistently misrep'd people to try and create false suspicion on them, including many deliberate misinterpretations of GI's posts, and of my own actions. A prime example of this is his claim that when I put him to L-1, and asked for a claim (standard operating procedure) he claimed it as "rolefishing". By his own admission, he is not a new player, and is constantly telling me not to "treat him as an idiot". I'm going to hold him to his word on that, and say that

he's not so stupid as to actually believe that could be rolefishing.

Furthermore, when his original "points" were refuted, and he was asked to provide further evidence of my guilt, he responded with the following.

I'm about to pound my head into a wall.

Another big plank in the case against Seraphim is his comments about people voting on his wagon. He has shown a consistent pattern when someone votes him, that he thinks he can make a case on. When GreyICE voted him, he immediately began to attack GreyICE. He also tried to

SHIFT BLAME

off his wagon, and on to Toasty, which was my original reason for voting him. Then, once I voted him, he shifts his target, and attack me. I am convinced this is because I already had 3 votes on my wagon (At the time it was 2 RVS from UT and Antitown, plus a UK vote and felt I would be an easier target to 1v1. This is a consistent pattern that cannot be denied.

Furthermore, what really irritates me is the way he tries to pass of his scum tells as "jokes".

If you believed him every time he said something you accused him of was a "joke", you'd think he was doing a stand up comedy act or something.

I am convinced this is his strategy to avoid suspicion and blame for some of his more scummy tactics. This INCLUDES the "Why me? Why not XYZ?" tell he was throwing down.

Is this good UK? Or would you like more?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's significantly more than 5 sentences LLD. Whatever, it'll suffice. I see most of these things anyway.

@Rhinox: To me, I figured that was implied. She wasn't JUST pushing for a claim, she was voting him because he was scummy and reminding him he should claim.

I'm entirely to verbose UK. You know this. You didn't really expect 5 sentences would be possible, did you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It'd be a good practice to learn. Concision tears through the obfuscation of :words words words:, giving way to the searing light of the sun of scumhunting, allowing everyone to quickly examine and decide who is the scum. We are scumhunters, not politicians!

I'll keep it in mind.

In the mean time, Seraphim needs rope.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I get anymore nicknames in this game?

"Bandwagon ho!" (Vi, I now find this offensive after saying it outloud Sounds like you're calling me a ho.)

Don't worry, I've sent Vi an official warning.

>_>
<_<

That his nicknames are HILARIOUS!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll kill him. :X

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Her. My bad. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to reread Grey and LLD and try to figure out exactly what I'm doing.

I will admit that rolefishing was a terrible term to use for what I was trying to say, but my point still stands. LLD's posting previous to voting me looks like she was more concerned with my claim and my role than whether or not I was actually scummy.

You're still pushing that? Do you

have

any other points? I haven't seen any. This point has been covered, discussed, and considered. Next point against me please, or admit you have no case.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BTW, for someone who has a case built around the fact that I'm supposedly misrepping people, continuing to misrep my "rolefishing" point and spinning it as a scumtell seems pretty shady.

Good god! That's not what I'm saying! It's not that you're wrong, it's that

YOU ONLY HAVE ONE POINT IN YOUR CASE AGAINST ME.

Stop MAKING SHIT UP. AGAIN.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, I'm done with this. Seraphim needs to swing.

These last few posts should be CONCLUSIVE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki, read my case on Seraphim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Grey: I don't agree with you all that much on Rhinox town... Well, at least from my current perspective. I'd like to see Seraphim flip before I make any assumptions in that vein.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How is he town? HOW?!?

According to Vi and UK, it's a "meta" thing for him.

I've opened a whole mental file folder for certain things I'm noticing this game... and for a certain hypothesis I want to check on later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Vi: I'm holding that back for now. There's nothing wrong with him... at the moment.

But I'm simply filing some stuff away... and I have a hypothesis that will be based upon today's flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So, let's have a dialogue.

I've been thinking, during my trip, and just reading through the thread, trying to put pieces together. I'm going to post more concrete reasons later, why exactly I'm making this switch and this almost complete 180 from my original stance. I think I'm more frustrated over LLD's play than her actual alignment.

As an author who does a lot of character stuff, it's important to get the motivation. Scum, to decieve, town to find scum. Two motivations, generally. Running through my head, I could see some very unlikely possibilities and motivations for LLD for her actions, to try and figure out exactly what was going on. I think she's going through the exact same damn thing as me, a complete and utter frustration with another player.

Scumteam is GreyICE, Toasty, and Jahudo. Remember that I called this now.

Unvote
Vote: GreyICE

It's the perfect storm of conformity and original ideas. The other players are either visible enough or not visible enough, Jahudo and Toasty are right on the edge of the vision, a little blip you can't shake. GreyICE just happened to get targeted because of his initial push on me.

People are going to give me shit for this switch and I'm fully ready to assume those consequences.

You're damn right I am. Just because you said it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm an idiot, what can I say.

Not quite.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not seeing Vi and Seraphim scum.

I have my own ideas of who is scum with Seraphim.... useless until a flip occurs though.

I'll take a look Sera, but I'll point out that you did the "Why not him?" tell again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Vi and Seraphim scumbuddies. I think Sera is likely scum... but Vi's not scum WITH Sera.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, I saw the invite. The fact that Grey and LLD took it without even trying to elaborate that much (particularly LLD) made me frown.

You're mistaking "lack of elaboration" with "I'm really tired, and I'll comment on all Sera's recent posts at a time when I can write clearly".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SHIT.

SORRY FATE. ;_;

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why isn't GreyICE dead yet?

First off, because he's town.

Secondly, because there's quite a few scum on his wagon.

Thirdly, because besides Vi, I have yet to see someone post a half legitimate case.

So, convince me differently of 1, by doing 3, won't you kindly CES?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's not completely true, Toasty is totally bussing his buddy, Grey.

LLD: who is scum with me?

Not saying anything to that effect at the moment, Sera. I'm keeping those cards held close. I have a good idea of who is scum with you though, based on your flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhinox: Who else is scum? Besides GreyICE what's your next top scum read?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi, I'm very interested in Rhinox.

Especially his comments about how he has a town read on both Seraphim and I.....

As for your comments, and I not allowed to have a town read on GreyICE?

As for the secrecy, it's not so much secrecy as it is speculation that will be shot down and scoffed at due to lack of hard evidence.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi: I'll get to it, I promise. I just have other things to do right now, something I'm sure you can appreciate.

LLD: Fuck evidence. Mafia is a game of conflicting motivations, not facts. The only hard facts are corpses and they're dead. Let's hear those reads.

I can't determine intent for my speculation without a FLIP. I need information from our lynch, in order to determine if my reads have any validity.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi, I'm very interested in Rhinox.

Especially his comments about how he has a town read on both Seraphim and I.....

As for your comments, and I not allowed to have a town read on GreyICE?

As for the secrecy, it's not so much secrecy as it is speculation that will be shot down and scoffed at due to lack of hard evidence.

I think you and Seraphim are town, too.
Does that make me interesting too?

Not quite. It's how he's presenting it really.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Elaborate further. And give us those speculated reads while you're at it.

I'll do the first part. The second part has very little backing it except a feeling I have. I'm not going into it until I have more to go on.

Rhinox has been pushing for GreyICE now for a little while. It seemed to start about around when Vi started on him, but before Vi voted. I am noticing in Rhinox's posts, a bit of a trend. He likes to call GreyICE scum (understandable, he's a suspect) but he also likes to call you town. A lot. Like... as in... in places where it's not even needed, he's posting that "I feel that both Seraphim and Lady are town, so I'm voting GreyICE".

I could understand once... to tell us that you don't like either wagon, and you prefer this new one you're voting on.

However.... to say this point multiple times without being prompted to do so is just odd.

Furthermore, I just feel that he has an interesting connection to you.

That's why he's "interesting".

No, this is not my speculation. My speculation is something else entirely, and it's almost completely gut. I'm not sharing it until I feel more confident in it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Vi: My town read on GreyICE is mainly consistent upon Seraphim being scum. I see no reason why Scum!Sera and Scum!GI would exist together.

Also, that last strip meant to say "I have a good idea of who is scum with you though, if you flip scum". I was just tired.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I thought you weren't going to make alignment decisions based on an unmade flip because it's just gut and not based on any concrete evidence?

If you have no problem saying GreyICE is town based on my presumed alignment, why the fuck do you have such an issue saying who is scum based on my being scum?

HOW MANY TIMES DID I SAY, THIS IS ALL MEANINGLESS WITHOUT A FLIP.

HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU ASK FOR IT ANYWAY?

AND NOW THIS? NO. THIS IS TOO MUCH.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So, what you're saying is that you have no good reason to believe GreyICE is town?

+1 Misrep.

I have a god-dammed good reason to believe it. I just can't provide it as evidence, because there is no flip! I

know

think you will flip scum, so I am confident in his townieness for now.

But I can't provide it as evidence because it REQUIRES A FLIP.

DO YOU GET THIS? HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO TRY AND TWIST MY WORDS? THERE IS NO TOWN MOTIVATION IN TRYING TO CREATE SCUM INTENT WHERE THERE IS NONE.

Oh wait, you're scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't see fucking scum intent and I certainly never said that. Now who's misrepping? I'm just frustrated that you won't answer the damn question. My conclusion is perfectly logical based on your logic.

1. You shouldn't give the names of who you believe to be my potential buddies because it's based on my flip which hasn't happened yet.
2. Because it's based on a flip that hasn't happened yet, you should not state those reads because they are worthless without a flip.
3. Therefore, these theoretical scum reads are useless without a flip.
4. GreyICE is theoretically town because you believe I am scum.
5. Therefore, you have no reason to believe GreyICE is town because it is useless without a flip.

It is a perfectly logical conclusion that, because your theoretical scum reads are useless, your town reads based on flips should be similar as well. Your town read on GreyICE is based on my flip as scum. Therefore, you have no reason to believe GreyICE is town until I flip scum.

Is there a hole in my logic that I'm missing?

The hole is that I am convinced you are scum. Therefore, I am convinced Grey is town.

However, I can't just prove Grey is town by saying "Sera is scum" because you haven't flipped yet. Understand?

Ok for me to speculate and act upon.

Not ok to use as solid proof.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Which brings me back to my original point: if you have no problem stating town reads based on my flip, why do you have such a problem posting scum reads based on my alignment?

Because I feel I need more evidence to accuse someone of being scum, than I do to consider someone town.

P-Edit: Nacho, GreyICE votes Seraphim, Seraphim attacks back. This COULD be distancing, but GreyICE continues to push Seraphim, even after Sera's target is switched, and gets him to L-1.

Grey just removed his vote... which is slightly detracting, but I still feel that he's town. Crossbussing on Day 1 seems almost crazy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@AT: For the L-1 thing. I wasn't asking because I wanted to know if it was ok. I was asking because I didn't want to accidentally hammer Seraphim.

For the CES thing... I had no idea what the he'll he was doing. I sort of get his game now... But he appeared to just be jumpin on whatever wagon he wanted.

The soft attacking thing... I don't see the problem with me telling him that he wasn't simply going to be given the answer...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There's the UK I know! Glad to have you back(?).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good. Then here's a question.

Vi, where does UK stand on your scum list right now? If you don't have one, use a scale of 1-10 telling me how scummy/town she is in your opinion.

UK, same question, directed at Vi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm purposefully NOT placing CES and Vi on my list until I see they're D2 actions. I have reason to believe that trying to read them from D1, at least at this juncture, would be less than pointless.

Interesting that you brought up CES without it being prompted.

Interesting, not because you brought someone up... But rather because it was CES...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE and Toasty are making this game a pain in the ass to read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/me facepalms

Unvote, Vote Seraphim

GI is town, much as I hate to admit it. I can say this with certainty. GI, why don't you try hard? Your entire game has been lackluster.

If it's not clear,

I am 100% sure GI is town, from his claim

Been saying this for... How long now?

Seraphim is scum. GI is town. Rhinox is scum with Sera.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nacho, I'm not on GI. My vote remains on Seraphim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bah. GI was pretty terrible looking. His posts suck. How you deduced his townness in that mess is beyond me. Fine with Sera lynch, VERY interested in the GI wagon.

UK, I already explained this. GI was bad... But Sera is scum. And I refuse to believe interactions between Sera and GI were crossbussing.

Furthermore, I have a case file on GI's town game. And his lack of a scum game. It was clear to me which he was playing to.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again, it was entirely possible they were, since it reminded me STRONGLY of my performance as scum in an offsite claim.

But, I suppose I thought wrong. At least GI won't be getting lynched.

Just cause you can pull something like that off, doesn't mean a GI/Sera scum combo could.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nope.jpg

I've had enough of this.

Seraphim hangs today.

Vi hangs tomorrow

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi has been scum for a while now....

I'll give you a case when I'm not on my phone, but do some Pre-case reading of your own. Have it fresh in your mind so when my case is posted, you have an idea of context and can better analyze it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD DONT YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.
DON'T YOU DARE.

How many pages have I been claiming a theory that required a flip?

How many?

Seraphim is the flip that puts the nail in Vi's coffin.

Vi hangs tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait. Weren't you saying Vi scum DIDN'T make sense with Seraphim scum!?

Yes Ma'am.

One of then is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am so certain of this fact, that I am willing to have Seraphim swing (because he could still be scum...) to catch a Vi scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I object.

You have a role specific investigate.

No where does it claim that role is scum.

P-Edit: like it or not UK, this is the fact. One of Vi and Seraphim is scum. Vi scum is confirmed by Seraphim town. Vi town does not confirm Seraphim scum. Therefor, Seraphim can be scum regardless if Vi, and is a better lynch anyway.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, I'm just not sure it's only one of them being scum.

Note that Seraphim scum does not exclude Vi scum anymore.

I downgraded that read.

Which is why Seraphim swigs first, then Vi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

snark because ~*~obviously~*~ scum don't react anything less than seriously

Whoever elevated snark to a scum tell should be burnt at the stake.

I will not be reading Lady µß's posts from now on.

That's ok. You're likely scum with Vi.

:3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've been making these connections for over a week now. I'm prepared for this.

P-Edit: UK, did you not give them the perfect opportnunity when you refused to read either of them day 1? Or when you helped Vi defend CES' actions as "meta"?

It's there... It's all there.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Furthermore, I enjoy how they have now both defended eachother indirectly and directly.

Vi has defended CES.

CES refuses to read my posts now that I have called Vi scum. Gee, I wonder.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nacho, the more you examine it, the more you see it.

I slowly came around, hence the whole "I have a theory, but I can't share!" phase.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, I don't know what you're smoking, but I kind of like it.

I'll agree that I don't know what she's smoking.
UK,

this

is confirmation bias.

Grey should not be lynched,

About-face sighted.

I'm smoking your ass, that's what

I have my reads, and a case will follow. You will have your chance to

Show that you are scum

defend yourself when it comes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vi, I've flipped flopped on Grey more than once. It shouldn't be a shock at this point. To explain fully, my latest thoughts have been that Kdub makes some good points about Grey and I don't like lynching claimed investigation roles. My primary suspicion that Grey was changing his CES read for no discernible reason has been put on the back burner for now.

Lady Luck, can you point me in the direction of Rhinox-Seraphim buddy tells?

Jahudo, do you mind if I do that when I have a machine that can quote multiple posts and make long walls?

Remind me that you want this. I won't forget, but it'll get done faster if it's being thrown in to my face.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD DONT YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.
DON'T YOU DARE.

How many pages have I been claiming

a theory that required a flip?

How many?

Seraphim is the flip

that puts the nail in Vi's coffin.

Vi hangs tomorrow.

I'm calling bullshit on this one.

UK already linked to why:

I'm not seeing Vi and Seraphim scum.

I have my own ideas of who is

scum with Seraphim

.... useless until a flip occurs though.

I'll take a look Sera, but I'll point out that you did the "Why not him?" tell again.

...scum with Seraphim...

Your theory was a seraph

SCUM flip

to prove who was

SCUM WITH SERAPH.

Now you're saying a seraph town flip is the flip you were referring to to prove Vi scum?

FLASHINGOBJECTION.GIF!!!

And you're also saying a seraph scum flip will not change the fact that Vi is scum. So... you want to lynch seraph first who could be town or scum, rather than Vi who is scum either way????


This needs attention and explanations.

Herp Derp.

You're likely scum with Seraphim.

If Sera is town, Vi is scum.

Get it~?

No contradictions. Learn to read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't get it....

you've been going on and on about this theory that required a (scum) flip of seraph to show who was scum with seraph (obv, you've thought it was me, I've got that for pages, I don't get all the pretend secrecy about you not wanting to come out and say it before the flip)

but now you're claiming that this theory you've been going on about for pages is actually referring to Vi being scum if seraph is town.

And you've also managed to check all the boxes to effectively say "well if seraph is scum or town, then vi is also scum or town, or visa versa and backwards, so lynch one and then the other no matter what, but seraph first because vi is scum no matter what but a seraph flip of scum or town will prove that" (almost nearly a direct quote >.>)

???????

So no, I still don't get it, herp, derp, whatever.

unvote greyICE

I guess for now. Someone explain to me exactly in words even I can understand why the above Re: LLD is not scummy?

I get the feeling there is still something key I'm missing from the last 3 or 4 pages I'm going to go keep looking for it.

Never claimed it was a SCUM flip I was waiting for to confirm a theory.

I think Seraphim is scum. I think you're scum with him for many reasons. I claimed this in thread quite obviously.

My theory, as I stated, was not that. My theory was different. My theory was about if I was wrong about Sera, and if Sera was TOWN.

So I have scenarios for you.

Seraphim

TOWN

yeilds Vi Scum, Rhinox Null(leaning town)
Seraphim

SCUM

yeilds Rhinox Scum, Vi Null

Do you see now?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD: yes, I see that it makes sense now when I go through your iso and see the comment you made at the end of your iso 85

We're good again. You're still delusional, but we're good.

Did you explain why seraph being town makes Vi scum or did I miss that part too?

The Vi case is incoming later tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Someone explain to me exactly in words even I can understand why the above Re: LLD is not scummy?

Bandwagoning Ho is burning Town cred

[for questioning me]

.

[/quote]

Hey look Vi! I can falsely discredit people with a passive aggressive playstyle too!

Also, let's just start to treat Vi like we treat StrangerCoug. If Vi is hook g to play this passive aggressive style of game, then I'll start treating you like I treat SC when he does this. Which is to ignore him, and wait until he posts something that isn't passive as fuck.

See, I can do everything you do. And yet I haven't seen anything legitimate from you in terms of content.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, Vi has yet to contribute a decent case to the game.

I refuse to accept the example of the GI case as "content", because it wasn't.

It was a lot of passive statements and snide quips, accompanied by a vote and pressure. GI then reacted poorly, and Vi never had to post any kind of scum intent for GI. All she had to do was sit back and let GI implode.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just for kicks Vi, why don't you give me a concise summary of the 3 top points as to why GI was scum for you, and why your vote was on him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why isn't Seraphim dead yet>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Claimed Vicious, possible miller, more likely scum traitor.

Lied abut it.

Enough for me, in addition to all my other problems with him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm waiting Nacho. Blind me with glory

That smiley is a scum tell.

P.S. LLD is really bad at this game.

Yep!

I'm the bad one! Totally!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Does scum have daytalk?

This is a closed set-up, I won't be answering questions not answered in the Rules.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it's time I point out that all this flavor speculation is bad, and that we should be lynching Seraphim simply based upon his play.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My reward was to not be a miller, so I hoped to get it honestly.

And it doesn't matter when you claim miller

, whether your first post of day one or anytime after that: people still see that as the most obv thing scum could claim. That's why town gets that role I guess. But two townies? I'd like to see that balance out with a 1-shot cop.

The bolded is wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@UK: I think some people have confirmed it through flavor? I think that's bad to be honest, but let's roll with it for now.

@Vi: this needs to go in the "How not to claim" post you made.

Why is Seraphim still alive?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UK, LLD, what are you expecting Seraphim to flip?

Scum.

Potentially third party... But I don't think so. I think Seraphim was gambitting scum, trying to make his position better in this game, rather than third party, trying to claim.

Oh, and seraphim. Claiming: You're doin' it wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seraphim, haven't I already explained my position on your flip enough?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here comes the bus.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh dear... this is interesting.

Toasty's vote is horrible.

But Vi is obv scum :3

Vote: Vi

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You missed my question involving UK. Since its one-shot, are you willing to tell us who you targeted now?

Unvote:GreyICE

for his reasonable response involving hider mechanics.

Even worse.

Ok, we lynch Vi today, Toasty tomorrow.

UK dying confirms a lot for me actually, which I like.

If you aren't voting Vi, you're wasting your vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's a weak cop. If he hides behind someone and doesn't die, that person is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm more suspicious of the MILLER claim, now that there is no confirmable cop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was expecting more from Rhinox's argument. Ignorance does not make GreyICE obvscum--obvdumb, maybe (omg i've wanted to say that forever i'm so creative)!

Before I place my vote down, Why would scum claim miller? The fact that multiple people have said as such makes me feel as if its...too obvious for both to be scum. Do you think in some situation either Jahudo or Vi IS a miller, and the other is scum? Thats what I am thinking right now, but its more of a question of which one.

My vote is on the correct one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My Role PM goes as such:

Flavor Name, Role Name [Bounty Reward]

Picture

Flavor Text

Abilities

Bounty Reward and Abilities

Win Condition

[Lady Lambdadelta]

um, rhinox, how do you explain the meshing up of UK and grey's claim?

I don't know. There is some meshing, but without knowing what exactly was in UK's role PM I'm not sure I see anything that proves that greyICE is town.

greyICE, is there any flavor to go along with your hider ability?

Stop right there.

Either vote Grey, or stop these questions. Grey's not getting lynch on this reasoning today, and what you are asking for is not pro-town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because Grey isn't an idiot. These are all beginners mistakes, and if I know anything about GI, it's that he's meticulous about his play.

It seems pretty clear you are trying for a LAL policy lynch, and I'm not buying into that, since GI came out today and claimed his gambit immediately.

You also assume that scum don't have day talk....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's almost as if Lady µß is utterly clueless.

Ok, I'm at the end of my fucking patience with you.

Start posting real fucking content or replace out of the game, you useless sack of shit.

All you ever do is place your vote on the newest wagon around, and then insult others for not being as good as you.

Stop being a condescending little prick, and play the fucking game.

/end rant

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And I'm sorry to anyone who is offended. I am.

I've just reached the limit of my patience with this idiot.

It doesn't help that it's been a long week so far...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, your case on GI so far is that he has contradicted himself several times over the course of his claim. I do not feel this is sufficient evidence to make him today's lynch in the face of lynches like Jahudo and Vi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhinox: If you look at GreyICE's crumbing near the end of D1, it would be reasonable to conclude that he was going to hide behind me (or Vi). The whole "oops" moment that GreyICE seems to be playing is a pain in the ass, but it doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think its best to trust UK,

who a majority of us had on town lists throughout the game.

Who flipped town.

FTFY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote, vote: Jahudo

I'm inclined to think that UK's bounty reward [Protector] may've been a role-specific protect or bodyguard.

Ok, I'm at the end of my fucking patience with you.

Start posting real fucking content or replace out of the game, you useless sack of shit.

All you ever do is place your vote on the newest wagon around, and then insult others for not being as good as you.

Stop being a condescending little prick, and play the fucking game.

/end rant

You're just annoyed that I'm calling out your play as, let's say, facepalm-inducing. Let's not pretend this is about anything else.

Why are you inclined to think that, useless sack of shit?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Considering I explained in my previous post why it's not implausible for two similar characters to have two similar (claimed) bounty rewards, I'd like to recommend Hooked on Phonics.

Is it "talk like a condescending asshole" day? Fine then, two can play at that game.

I said

decent

explanation; also, Fate, strapped for creativity, nah don't think so.

The idea of there being two Millers in this game is difficult to swallow for a reason - that's not what's going on.

Yeah, two millers is

crazy

, but two hiders: that's reasonable.

Also, what about Jahudo's play is NOT clueing you in to him being scum? Is it that terrible claim, or the unwillingness to lynch the counterclaimee, or the general active lurking?

I know there's OMG claim madness going on but seriously which one looks like scum here.

Yeah, well your early play wasn't exactly the paragon of towniness, either.

Besides, Jahudo being scum doesn't make you town, from my POV.

:goodposting:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did Jahudo just hammer Vi?

-checks thread-

Yeah... That's 6 votes.

Idiocy.

Vi, before you die, best scum reads for tomorrow. Go.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bad GreyIce, bad.

Vote: Kdub

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're going to have to explain that one, Rhinox. UK claimed to have info that Grey is town. UK flipped town as a character that has obvious connections to Grey's claimed character. How is he scum?

Vi or Jahudo should be the lynch. I'm willing to follow along with Grey today.

VOTE: Vi

UNVOTE:

No reason to rush this. I'm interested to hear what Rhinox has to say. It's at least clear that whatever he thinks he has on GreyICE, nobody else seems to be picking up on it.

So there are way too many contradictions here. What I am missing? why is greyICE NOT scum?

Because he is confirmed town. If you continue to insist that he is scum, can you at least address the UK quotes where she is claiming role info that proves Grey as town?

VOTE: Vi
I think this is the right play for today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh fuck me.

@Kdub: You're good. I wanted to check something, and you're fine.

UNVOTE:

@Jahudo: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Why are you so terribad? HONESTLY? Like... gah! I have other ideas for who Vi's scum buddies are besides you... and you come in and ruin that with your posting. >.>

Scum List currently:

Toasty/Rhinox/Jahudo/CES

Rhinox doesn't get lynched today. He's 4th on the list really.

Jahudo and CES are high, but I'm wavering a bit.

VOTE: Toasty

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I caught onto Vi before you did. :3

But yeah, lots of people need rope today.

Also, I'd like to point out that my reads were 100% correct. I said that if Sera was town, Vi was scum. I also said that Sera was SUPER scummy.

Low and behold, Sera flips third party (which means his interactions with Vi still stay the same) and Vi flips scum, just as promised. :3

Makes me wonder if my CES read is right.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm surprised I'm not dead yet.

And if not me, then you.

Why weren't either of us killed last night? Why NACHO?

This feels like a Mina kill, don't you think Grey?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm surprised I'm not dead yet.

And if not me, then you.

Why weren't either of us killed last night? Why NACHO?

This feels like a Mina kill, don't you think Grey?

No.

It's the fucking PERFECT time for Jahudo scum to off Nacho. Think about it. He just hammered scum. As far as he knows, there's one person in the thread with a solid case on him. He hammered day 1 cutting off the case. He hammered day 2 cutting off day 2 really early. Nacho is dead.

It could be a frame job, except that it's framing a CLAIMED FUCKING MILLER whose SCUMMY AS SHIT. Making the case to mislynch him is easy as hell, you leave the guy who suspects him alive and start shooting your nigh-confirmed town.

This kill feels unnatural to me.

Maybe I'm just looking at it weird.

Maybe I'm the unnatural one.

P-Edit: UNVOTE: VOTE: Jahudo

Fuck it. If you're town, you're on this wagon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Fix mah tags please?

@Grey: Ninja'd >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it's a role that bodyguards non-RDC scum?
Imma gonna beat you...

Ugh, your not on my scum-list. Be happy.

Also, characters who are in the game: Faye Valentine, Andy von de Oniyate, Vicious (Vi), Spike (Seraphim), Laughing Bull (Nacho), Alisa (GreyICE claim), Gren (Jahudo claim), Jet (Uncertain Kitten)

We can also assume that Edward is in the game, and the other scum are probably Lin and Shin.

If we are to believe all claims and bounty targets, then that leaves 2 others, including myself. I'm Katrina (if you want my whole role, I will claim, but its not what I think we need right now).

I'm saying this because I feel that if we have a character claim, we may be able to determine the who sticks out the most.

If this game was flavor breakable, Fate would shoot himself.

On the other hand, your use of flavor here is suspicious.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I agree with LLD

I'm just an agreeable person. People love to agree with me.

UK is turning over in her grave right this minute as I say this :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not saying the game is breakable--I'm just looking at lore as a second option.
That's why I'm suggesting no role-reveals. People with bounties likely won't be bounties again. Revealing themselves as said bounties shouldn't hurt them.

The only problem with my idea is if some of the bounties are fake-claims, but I still think its worth a shot.

'twas just a suggestion, and don't see how it could hurt town if we don't share roles.

Player A: "I'm XYZ!"

Player B is scum.

Player B reads thread.

Player B loves the flavor for this game. (Or looks at a wiki)

Player B determines quite easily if this role is a power role or not.

Role Ability and power aren't hard to guess. Alignment is much more so.

That is why we don't name claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay, then guess katrina's power and see how easy it is. I love flavor and didn't immediately understand why I had the role I did.

2 people saying no is enough for me to drop it, but I'll claim regardless of your guess.

What part of "WE AREN'T GIVING AWAY OUR ROLES" did you miss? Town doesn't want to give their role info away.

This is scum trying to appear town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That vote on UT is a total throwaway.

What is the reasoning behind it?

Furthermore, while your flavor makes sense, I have comment.

This is now the fourth time or so you've said "Katrina". The name is KATERINA. Small, but interesting detail.

Furthermore, why would Fate use Katerina as a role? She's not even the MAIN Villain from Episode 1. She's the fucking sidekick to Antonio Banderas knock-off.

I'm calling shenanigans on this claim.

And for the LAST time:

NO MORE FLAVOR SPEC

We don't want people outing their roles, unless they are forced to claim because of a wagon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a horrible reason to vote UT, and I don't buy it one bit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You claimed fool.

I am pointing out why your claim is bullshit.

I'm not Bandying around giving out town role names, or asking for them.

Misrep a little harder.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: You claimed, you fool.*

[Lady Lambdadelta]

xRECKONERx replaces UntrodTripod immediately.

Beautiful rejoicing.

Reck, read the thread. No one contaminate his reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I do not agree with this massclaim of role names. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh okay so Jahudo is obvtown. Good to know.
Who should I be lynching today?

How about putting some effort into the game, and figuring that out for yourself?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because UT just flaked. You can't vote for someone when you're not in the game.
CES actively avoided the wagon by hopping on both other possible wagons.
If you are going to say one scum is off the wagon, UT is not a pick.

UT was scummy before the flake. And you're contradicting your own logic.

Why isn't Toasty dead yet?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought you were still voting me, Lady Luck. What do you think of Grey's awesome and triple cool idea of keeping the miller alive until mylo?

But speaking of Toasty, I like kdub's point about the trying to set up mislynches of Sera and Grey. Toasty's motivation can certainly be questioned there.

Wait what? They weren't mislynches. They were both anti-town aligned. That's a stupid case.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Even if you want to believe that... There's no way he could be lining up mislynches when Vi was scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shot, misread that completely.

That'll teach me to post when I first wake up.

My bad. Yeah, that's actually good. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh.... Fuck?

Unvote;Vote: Toasty

I thought I had already done this. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mountains? :3

Sugoi~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I blame Fate for not giving me a daykill.

If anyone had a daykill in this game, you'd be dead already.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Daykills are too valuable a commodity to waste on little old me (and at least one person (Nacho) was able to correctly peg me as town).

Yeah... I'd probably be tempted, but then kill Jahudo.

We'd get more information from his flip anyway.

Where as if you die we get all of nothing... because you've done all of nothing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Page 42: Rhinox is probtown. Not really sure what kdub said that satisfied LLD....

Page 43: lolwat @ Reck. You want to go after a bounty lynch on a character who's probably town? blargh

Page 44: jez, jahudo, wtf? Have you even mentioned CES before? Also, reck looks like he's going with the flow on the toasty vote. Don't like.

Page 45: /kicksKatintheface

Page 46: @Rhinox: not to mention the only comment on Grey vs. Vi was that it was "painful."
lol @ the fail trying to justify the proposed bounty lynch, too

Page 47: yeah, why is kdub all good in the neighborhood, now, LLD?

Have to go puke now. Will be back in a bit.

Kdub satisfied a qualm I had, for the moment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I already claimed but here's the full

I am Katrina (thats how Fate spelled it, so thats what im sticking with).
I have no normal ability but have the bounty power of being a vote motivator

I ultimately accept my fate if it means getting you guys to stop sticking to a plan that isn't going to work.

If I get lynched right now, then I encourage you to look at Reck/UT. UT was against me early, and snuck under the radar FOR THE WHOLE DAY PHASE when Vi got lynched. Made it seem like there was no connection between him and anyone else. Reck then "randomly" ISO's the one person with the biggest wagon, and votes him despite failing to do any background information on other players.

If UT isn't scum, then CES/Jahudo is, I agree with GreyICE on that
Lastly, Rhinox/LLD are my bets for other scum. I liked both of them until today--Rhinox's vote reasons are unclear to me and

LLD hasn't been very helpful.

Also the "WHY ISNT TOASTY LYNCHED YET" posts by her are odd. The strong town read I had on her at the beginning of the game has gone to bordering null
Also, don't follow GreyICE blindly. Its obvious from my play that I did not like him in this game, but, seriously, look at his plan and all the problems with it. Come up with your own arguments--confirmed town doesn't mean he's the pope.

@Bolded: I have nothing else to say. I got the information I needed out of today (Kdub reaction and Jahudo posts) and I'm content with lynching you as likely scum with Vi.

I've got another set of reads based upon your flip. I'm pretty much waiting on that to confirm some things for me. I'm guessing that you're scum #2, and if you are I'm fairly sure I have scum #3 pegged.

I think Grey is on the same page as me too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GI, he's claiming a VT with a weak bounty power.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Balls. That's exactly what mine says too.

I was seeing who would say what about it. It's what Rhinox has been stuck on since early day 2.

Opinions, everyone? Mine is that motivators are a weak town power, unbelievably godly scum power. I'm leaning towards toast-town honestly.

Grey, you realize that Fate is almost 100% to give flavor proof fake claims right?

So it's likely that this "motivator" power doesn't even exist.

Don't base your speculation off his claim. Base it off his play. And his play says he's scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's called a gambit Rhinox.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Enough.

I've had enough of this flavor speculation. Fate will not be making this game flavor breakable, so it's useless to even suggest that flavor is a valid argument.

Just so you know, flavor bullshit like this is how scum hides their intent.

No more of it. Base everything off of in thread posts and actual scum intent, or stop posting.

You're better off to town not posting, than making stupid flavor claims.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait wait wait.

Fish is posting content?

And I semi agree with it?

The world is ending.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Jahudo is scum, why didn't he hammer Toasty? He could of easily hammered Toasty over the past few days and not incurred much suspicion.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still do not see how or why a Vi-Jahudo scum team would have 2 miller fake-claims
Similarly, his counter claim was pro-town.

If Jahudo hammered me, it would only stem from the fact that he hammered D1 and D2 (hmmm new meta?)

@LLD, your question is just asking for WIFOM
Lets look at all the possible situations:
1) He's town who thinks I'm town, so won't hammer
2) He's scum and thinks my lynch is inevitable
3) He's town but doesn't want to provoke suspicion by hammering a third time
4) We're both scum and he wants to try and force another lynch
5) LLD likes to ask loaded questions

1) I am not under the impression that you are both town. Nope.
2) If he thought it was inevitable, why not lynch you for some town points?
3) Town doesn't worry about impressions. They hunt scum. If he thinks you are scum, he should hammer.
4) He's not that stupid. He'd bus you for town cred.
5) Questions like this give information, and reads.

So, my opinion (and the option you left out) is that you are scum and that Jahudo is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I fucking wanted CES dead.

But Nooooooooooo.... UK told me it was just CES being CES.

Dx

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CES, I think that you should battle this out day 3. Jahudo's play has been so epically terribly scummy that I'd almost rather lynch him than Toasty, but every bit of logical analysis I do says that Toasty is scum and needs to be the lynch today, because if he's town,

1) he's a shitty VT with a shitty bounty power (it's not even guarenteed to hit town, it's worse than mine ffs, and mine's a weak cop with upside)
2) his day 1 play was so bad and scummy that's its ridiculous
3) his remaining on me despite not thinking I was scum was so weird even Vi called him on it.
4) Vi's vote was so, so, so distancing/bussing if a Toasty wagon took off, and so not 'scum trying to push a case on a townie'
5) When Vi wagon started to get serious he found time to vote Seraphim.
6) ...

No, enough, he gets lynched today. You and Jahudo duke it out tomorrow,

This post is lacking a vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Toasty, I did my best not to push the town around today and left it so you'd get honest reads. I saved my analysis for the end of the day. You hit L-1 with very little input from me. That says to me that most of the town wants to lynch you. I blew nothing out of proportion. You've just played poorly. Assuming you're town and this isn't post-flip WIFOM, because that's always fun

I'll note Rhinox did much what you did in the CES-Vi blossom (unvoted with no vote). Your way was just scummier TBH.

Jahudo just actually hurts my eyes. Period.

Remind me what makes you confirmed town again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Requesting a larger deadline extension.

*Laughs* -Fate

[Lady Lambdadelta]

damn it, if we get two more in here in the next hour we could wagon hop to Jahudo, I'm pretty sure Toasty thought he had been hammered (which... I thought I hammered him, so...)

You assume that, but he could be more observant than we are. >.>

But I'm willing to do a Jahudo lynch.

Do we have enough people?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not AGM time.

I want you or Jahudo to flip.

And your reaction to being "hammered" lowers you on my list.

Unvote: Vote: Jahudo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Need us some Rhinox or Kdub

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, can we lynch Rhinox?

If I assume that Toasty is town due to this unvote thing...

I think Rhinox is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, look back at the prior days interactions.

I want you to look really close at the interactions between Rhinox and Vi, Rhinox and Toasty and Rhinox and Jahudo.

P-Edit: And lol @ that post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's kinda irrelevant ATM.

Rhinox and Jahudo are scum IMO.

Throw in some Kdub as a third possible option incase I'm wrong on one.

@Jahudo: NOPE. WRONG MOVE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm voting toasty or ces. You guys decide.

NOPE!

YOU'RE VOTING JAHUDO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EITHER VOTE JAHUDO, OR BE LABELLED SCUM FOREVER.

JUST CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE HERE RIGHT NOW, DON'T MEAN WE WON'T HAVE PEOPLE LATER WHEN KDUB AND AH COME.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rhinox is delaying.

Confirmed scum.

Jahudo, where's that self hammer you promised?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I don't think jahdo is scum........

Who do you think is scum? Honestly. Assume 2 remaining scum, and go.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: GreyIce

You aren't dead.

I'll rectify that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's called a deadline lynch. The wagon was there, And we had less than 30 minutes.

As for the GI vote, I'm not letting anyone who has been labelled confirmed town, live 2 days past when they become confirmed.

And confirmed by what? UK says he had role related that confirmed him... And died before she could reveal it.

Grey!scum makes perfect sense this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, Toasty's reaction to being "lynched" was so town, it hurts.

Toasty is town.

Grey is scum.

AGM/Rhinox/CES are scum with him.

Grey dies today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's what happened Rhinox:

1) Toasty is scummy as fuck
2)Toasty gets "hammered"
3) Toasty acts town, while assuming dead.
4) Toasty is revealed not to be dead
5) Toasty is no longer as scummy as before
6) Reasons why Jahudo are scum outweigh reason why he is town
7) we have 1 hour
8) not everyone is online
9) Jahudo is best lynch we can reach.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good. Enter the 1 v 1 with me.

Here's the deal. Vi is fucking professor paragon. We didn't just catch him randomly on Day 1.

Vi and GI crossbussed on Day 1. This was designed to create massive town reads on Vi, and make him unlynchable for a while to come.

GI was placed at L-1, and was almost lynched but for UK's "confirmed town speech"

Remember that Vi was still alive for N1, when UK died.

Vi must have realized that with GI now confirmed town, and with me tunnelling him, that he was done.

So he killed UK, to let GI keep his confirmed town status, and tool the fall.

GI has not died at night since, instead with the scum favoring Nacho and Antitown kills.

Why isn't GI, a "confirmed town" dead? Because he is scum, and Vi is one intelligent mother fucker.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, GI is scum. I'm confident in this fact. He needs to die.

No half decent town let's a "confirmed town" player live this far into the game. He is confirmed scum, proven by his lack of death thus far.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

'cept I know a player who once took confirmed town into 2:1 LyLo over a replacement for a chronic lurker who had just lead a devastating mislynch and misvig.

More meta from GI.

Interesting isn't it? I was once told by GI that his perfect scum game involved confusing the town with Meta.

Confirmin UT with meta.

Calling me scum based on Meta.

Keeping his confirmed town status based on Meta from UK.

Hmmmmmm