Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

GreyICE · Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:52 am

Ohhh you tease. "That Nacho shot feels like the Mina shot, doesn't it?"

Are you fucking with me here LLD?

If you wanna get me mislynched, gonna have to do better than that.

Vote: LLD

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:13 am

Good. Enter the 1 v 1 with me.

Here's the deal. Vi is fucking professor paragon. We didn't just catch him randomly on Day 1.

Vi and GI crossbussed on Day 1. This was designed to create massive town reads on Vi, and make him unlynchable for a while to come.

GI was placed at L-1, and was almost lynched but for UK's "confirmed town speech"

Remember that Vi was still alive for N1, when UK died.

Vi must have realized that with GI now confirmed town, and with me tunnelling him, that he was done.

So he killed UK, to let GI keep his confirmed town status, and tool the fall.

GI has not died at night since, instead with the scum favoring Nacho and Antitown kills.

Why isn't GI, a "confirmed town" dead? Because he is scum, and Vi is one intelligent mother fucker.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:16 am

Look, GI is scum. I'm confident in this fact. He needs to die.

No half decent town let's a "confirmed town" player live this far into the game. He is confirmed scum, proven by his lack of death thus far.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:23 am

This isn't the least bit convincing.

GreyICE · Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:24 am

'cept I know a player who once took confirmed town into 2:1 LyLo over a replacement for a chronic lurker who had just lead a devastating mislynch and misvig.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:29 am

GreyICE wrote:'cept I know a player who once took confirmed town into 2:1 LyLo over a replacement for a chronic lurker who had just lead a devastating mislynch and misvig.

More meta from GI.

Interesting isn't it? I was once told by GI that his perfect scum game involved confusing the town with Meta.

Confirmin UT with meta.

Calling me scum based on Meta.

Keeping his confirmed town status based on Meta from UK.

Hmmmmmm

GreyICE · Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:31 am

Meta from UK? No.

I'm keeping my confirmed town status because of this:
UncertainKitten, Jet Black, Ex-Lover Bodyguard [Protector] was killed N1.

Wrong target today, LLD

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:36 am

GreyICE wrote:Meta from UK? No.

I'm keeping my confirmed town status because of this:
UncertainKitten, Jet Black, Ex-Lover Bodyguard [Protector] was killed N1.

Wrong target today, LLD

Notice ex-lover.

Why is that?

Simply because Fate wouldn't be bastardly enough to make scum be able to kill a town lover, and then go down 1 member.

UK said you were town base on her role.

I assume that it is the ex lover bit.

That is all flavor, and it's being used by you to confuse town.

You are scum.

GreyICE · Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:49 am

Or it's a bodyguard ability that works on her Ex-lover. AKA me.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:56 am

Just because it works on you, doesn't mean you can't be scum.

Actually, that works wonderfully in this games mechanics.

GreyICE · Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:01 am

You mean giving the town a role

Where a successful vig shot on scum will randomly kill a town player?

NICE GAME MECHANICS, THAT MAKES SENSE.

FATE LOVES IT WHEN "GOOD DESIGN" RANDOMLY FUCKS THE TOWN

Like Vig shoots. Targets scum. Town dies because their role is designed SOLELY to get a town player killed INSTEAD of a scum player.

Lets assume Fate isn't ReaperCharlie, and go from there.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:24 am

Grey, the bodyguard power isn't going to JUST work on you.

I would Assume that UK gets to target who she wants with her BG power.

GreyICE · Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:30 am

Oh okay, so the Ex-Lover thing had no mechanical purpose, and is flavor in a flip?

Or did Jet's ex-lover who owns a bar join the red dragon clan?

I'd never let Vi bus me with the way she was playing, she was obvscum all over the thread. I've learned since Zang, you bus obvscum to hell and get town cred.

I wanted her lynched on day 1. I pushed it over the Seraphim lynch.

You went "Seraphim, THEN Vi Nacho, dun worry!"

GreyICE · Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:38 am

Huh, interesting.

Your argument that Vi is scum doesn't make any sense at all. Scum with Seraphim? Scum if Seraphim is scum? You never had any really solid reasoning there.

I can lay out exactly what made Vi scum. You never did. You were just CERTAIN the flip would be scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:51 am

GreyICE wrote:Huh, interesting.

Your argument that Vi is scum doesn't make any sense at all. Scum with Seraphim? Scum if Seraphim is scum? You never had any really solid reasoning there.

I can lay out exactly what made Vi scum. You never did. You were just CERTAIN the flip would be scum.

Misrep a little harder Grey.

The interactions that Seraphim had with Vi, as well as Vi's interactions with UK made me certain he was scum.

I explained this.

Moreover, I like how this is an issue for you NOW. It certainly wasn't an issue for you when you were cross-bussing with him.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:54 am

Also, did Vi give you the arguments you would need to show him as scum?

Did he hold your hand and walk you through it Grey-kun~?

GreyICE · Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:59 am

Yeah, 'cause I've never taken down a scumteam before:

Fate: 3 (GreyICE, Katsuki, Ghostlin)
Fate - Xemnas (Xehanort's Nobody) - Executed Phase 2
Zyrconium: 3 (GreyICE, vezokpiraka, Iecerint) + Ghostlin, but he claimed scum and used his factional kill before the vote

Zyrconium - Fuhito (Mad Scientist) - Executed Phase 3
GhostWriter: 3 (GreyICE, vezokpiraka, Iecerint)
GhostWriter - Professor Hojo (Mad Scientist)
vezokpiraka: 3 (GreyICE, Katsuki, Iecerint)
vezokpiraka - Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (Xehanort's Heartless) - Lynched Phase 5

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=11588

I need Vi to hold my hand, LLD. Oh no. Don't think this is the case. It's funny, because I had a town read on you, but this argument doesn't come from a town motivation. You wanted to see if you could pull it off. If a good use of manipulation and kills could get confirmed town lynched.

BAD IDEAS R US

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:11 am

Ooh, a game where you were town. Shock and awe.

You aren't town here Grey. You've had 1 scum PM before this, and you failed miserably at that. I had to save your ass, after Fate had caught it and chewed it out.

Think about it this way: What motivation does scum!LLD have to oppose town!GI's wagon on day 1?

Then think about this: What motivation does scum!Vi have to push scum!GI's wagon day 1?

You'll notice some patterns here...

GreyICE · Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:24 am

Two, actually, but that's neither here nor there. Other was a newbie, and it's easy to win newbies as scum.

You opposed my wagon rather poorly. I hit L-1 with your 'opposition.' It was quite weak.

You saw a mislynch, you went for it.

Why are you going for me today? Because I'm still alive and I'm confirmed town? Who makes that decision? Whose that crazy? Who shoots Nacho if not Jahudo? Who shoots obv-town Antihero over me?

You do.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 am

GreyICE wrote:Two, actually, but that's neither here nor there. Other was a newbie, and it's easy to win newbies as scum.

You opposed my wagon rather poorly. I hit L-1 with your 'opposition.' It was quite weak.

You saw a mislynch, you went for it.

Why are you going for me today? Because I'm still alive and I'm confirmed town? Who makes that decision? Whose that crazy? Who shoots Nacho if not Jahudo? Who shoots obv-town Antihero over me?

You do.

It hit L-1 day one because you had Vi and UK on your ass.

And I did my damnedest to get people onto Seraphim.

Unfortunately for me, I didn't see what UK did.

Of course, had you been lynched that day, and flipped scum, Vi would have been totally wiped fro my mind as scum.

Which was the INTENT of you two cross bussing.

Rhinox · Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:32 am

NO MOM AND DAD STOP FIGHTING!

I really don't buy the grey is scum because he is alive argument. And that is ironic given my previous stances on ICE throughout the game. And also because I can imagine scum sitting in the quicktopic going "herp derp rhino is so tunneled on ice i bet we can leave him alive and rhino will help us lynch him!"

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:35 am

Rhinox wrote:NO MOM AND DAD STOP FIGHTING!

I really don't buy the grey is scum because he is alive argument. And that is ironic given my previous stances on ICE throughout the game. And also because I can imagine scum sitting in the quicktopic going "herp derp rhino is so tunneled on ice i bet we can leave him alive and rhino will help us lynch him!"

Grey-kun is insinuating just that.

He's also insinuating that I'm the only one crazy enough to do that.

The problem is, that even I wouldn't leave Grey alive in this situation.

At least... I wouldn't leave him alive and then try to LYNCH him.

If I were scum, I would keep him alive because of his town read on me, and use him to keep me alive. That simple.

Rhinox · Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:44 am

What I want to know though is what makes ICE unconfirmed just cuz he's still alive? I mean, I thought it was like lock tight role info that I wasn't allowed to question on D2, and now he lives another day and all of a sudden now its ok for that to be ignored?

GreyICE · Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:45 am

It's the town motive, LLD.

Anti was as likely to be lynched today as me. He was just as town. And, unlike me, he might have had a power role.

Town-LLD would have considered it. You came out gunning for me. Why?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:51 am

@Rhinox: The longer scum leaves him alive, the more powerful confirmed town becomes. I can see them MAYBE killing Nacho over him.

But Antihero was inactive and while very protown, unlikely to be all that threatening to scum. Grey-kun not being dead by now is just setting off alarms in my head.

@Grey: See Above for why Antihero is an odd kill. He's inactive and probably not that threatening.

I came out gunning for you because I'm not going to be the townie that let the "confirmed town" dominate this game, only to be scum. Confirmed town living this long is unnatural.