Lynch All Lurkers Mafia! GAME OVER

[Stephoscope]

*looks around nervously*

[Stephoscope]

vote stephoscope

I knew there was a reason I was nervous. It was because you were coming.

Vote: roflcopter

because this is serious business.

[Stephoscope]

Beyond that, do any object to policy lynching anyone who lurks for 72 hours without giving us lots of warning?

I think anyone who lurks for 72 hours should be lynched, no questions asked.

I think we should start raising hell / casting votes if someone's even gone for 48 hours.

We need to try and brainstorm any possible scum tactics for sneaking in a 72 hour absence. I would think that, if we can completely stop the scum from earning nightkill points that way, the advantage will be on our side.

[Stephoscope]

If you're going to be absent for 48 hours, I propose we have a wagon waiting to lynch you if you don't post before 72 hours.

Agreed (I don't know if "you" was specifically referring to Zorblag here, since he talked about being away, but I endorse the above treatment of any player)

We also need to be wary of a scum trying to lurk when another player (maybe scum, but maybe not) has been lurking and getting all the attention. We need to be focused on all players at all times.

[Stephoscope]

anyone who is absent for 72 hours for any reason, excuse or no, gets lynched before the end of the day. no exceptions.

vote: mafiassk

this is lynch all lurkers mafia, after all

Keep in mind that this may be impossible, as we have but two lynches a day.

So I certainly hope all townies will post early and often and continuously, all game long, so the scum don't get an opportunity to fall of the radar or avoid a lynch because we don't have enough.

[Stephoscope]

I'm not sure we should be lynching anyone anytime soon, unless they violate the 72 hour rule.

Even if zwet is scum, aren't we better off saving our lynches until closer to deadline, to see what happens? Aren't we in better shape with two lynches at our disposal?

[Stephoscope]

I'm not sure we should be lynching anyone anytime soon, unless they violate the 72 hour rule.

Even if zwet is scum, aren't we better off saving our lynches until closer to deadline, to see what happens? Aren't we in better shape with two lynches at our disposal?

Are you voting zwet?

No. In fact,

Unvote

[Stephoscope]

I won't have much time for analysis and detailed posts over this weekend, but I'll try and make a post a day.

[Stephoscope]

I'm going to lurk for 72 hours and see what happens... Consider it a "test", so to speak.

No reason not to take you at your word.

Unvote
Vote: zwetschenwasser

[Stephoscope]

At this point Malyss and Xtoxm no have posted for about the past 48 hours. Stephoscope has been about 36 hours and everyone else seems to have posted on the 18th or later.

Should we wait to see who checks in before we lynch zwet? We may have a problem if we have two lurkers on our hands after a lynch...

[Stephoscope]

If we don't get either a BMQ post or a MafiaSSK lynch in the next ~17 hours, we'll need to lynch BMQ.

Xylthixlm and BMQ scumbuddies? Discuss. There are reasons why Xylthixlm may have ignored follow-up questions about this...

[Stephoscope]

We have to lynch MafiaSSK.

No we don't. I think he's town.

Xylthixlm, BMQ, Xtoxm would all be far better lynches.

[Stephoscope]

If we don't get either a BMQ post or a MafiaSSK lynch in the next ~17 hours, we'll need to lynch BMQ.

Xylthixlm and BMQ scumbuddies? Discuss. There are reasons why Xylthixlm may have ignored follow-up questions about this...

Xyl wants BMQ lynched failing a MafiaSSK lynch.

Well, that's what he

says.

[Stephoscope]

We have to lynch MafiaSSK.

No we don't. I think he's town.

ORLY.

That needs 'splainin'

I don't see why scum would claim such a ridiculous role, instead of blending in and/or trying to pull off a lurk. It wouldn't have made sense for him to try and distract everyone from zwet in a way that just made him the lynch target, especially given that zwet flipped as goon and not a scum power role.

I think MafiaSSK's either a bored townie, or a townie with some plan we don't yet understand, or he really does have some ridiculous role. I think the chance of any of that is much greater than his being scum.

[Stephoscope]

Stephoscope dies when MafiaSSK comes up scum

YES!

And Steph should die even faster if MafiasSSK flips town.

This doesn't make a bit of sense.

Anyway, we should all find it very, very scummy for anyone to hammer before MafiaSSK has the opportunity to come clean about whatever is going on.

[Stephoscope]

Err, try no. He can just wait and see if BMQ lurks out. He should be lynched quick.

If you're into lynching townies, sure.

[Stephoscope]

Sigh.
Bad play, I can prove Im town.

Hmmm. Since you've claimed that, I will vote to lynch you if you can't.

[Stephoscope]

Sigh.
Bad play, I can prove Im town.

Make your fake claim good.

Carrie, fakeclaims only take time when you have to make sure your actions and target match your claim.

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

[Stephoscope]

DGB, this is non negotiable. Once I come up town I want you to analyse my wagon.

What would you like us to do if you come up scum? Should we throw a party?

[Stephoscope]

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

Go back to your QT, scum.

lol

[Stephoscope]

DGB, this is non negotiable. Once I come up town I want you to analyse my wagon.

What would you like us to do if you come up scum? Should we throw a party?

Why are you so agressive against me? Where were you when zwet was wagoned?

Unovote Vote : Stephoscope.

I am aggressive against you because you made a claim that I don't believe.

I believe I also voted for zwet as soon as he posted something preposterous: he said he would just go and lurk 72 hours starting then.

[Stephoscope]

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

Go back to your QT, scum.

lol

I caught you again didn't I.

No, I caught you. Why would scum be on a QT during daytime? Would you like to fill us in on what you know?

[Stephoscope]

I am aggressive against you because you made a claim that I don't believe.

ORLY.

Why do you not believe this claim? Is it preposterous? Are you counterclaiming? Or just mindlessly bandwagoning to make sure that roflcopter doesn't fixate on YOU???

By "claim" I meant not his roleclaim itself, but his previous claim that he can prove he's town.

He did no such thing, he just said "I'm a Tracker".

[Stephoscope]

I am aggressive against you because you made a claim that I don't believe.

ORLY.

Why do you not believe this claim? Is it preposterous? Are you counterclaiming? Or just mindlessly bandwagoning to make sure that roflcopter doesn't fixate on YOU???

fixate? i'm calling out the whole scumteam
tajo, mcqueso, dgb, xtoxm

I am so with you. And thanks for not putting MafiaSSK on your list. He's not scum.

[Stephoscope]

By "claim" I meant not his roleclaim itself, but his previous claim that he can prove he's town.

He did no such thing, he just said "I'm a Tracker".

There was no Night 0, you turkey.

He can only prove himself during the day if he's a dayvig, pretty much.

You're either obtuse or scum.

Look, he said he could prove he's town, and he apparently cannot.

[Stephoscope]

Do you know how certain I am that poptartajo is town?

LYNCH ME INSTEAD.

Does this make sense to anyone?

[Stephoscope]

I plead with you all to unvote MafiaSSK

[Stephoscope]

Because it sure looks like we're close to figuring this all out,
because I want people to unvote MafiaSSK,
and because this further incriminates DGB

I am a Daymason.

[Stephoscope]

Stephoscope knows that MafiaSSK is town, despite the fact that MafiaSSK has left ZERO hint of being town anywhere. He's scum all the way. So scum, that the only players that might defend him, have to be scum looking for town cred.

So you WEREN'T hinting about masons earlier?

[Stephoscope]

Wow, daymason claim. I want to see SSK confirm, but right now:

unvote

Do you know how much I've been dying for him to post?

I wouldn't normally claim, but this should ensure we lynch the right person today. I'll be surprised if roflcopter isn't at least half right.

[Stephoscope]

the same reason your "daymason" Stepshoscope is saying.

You sound pretty certain you're on a different side than we are.

[Stephoscope]

....

xtoxm is scum

even with two lynches in a day, there are never enough lynches in a day

Yeah, I'm even more certain about DGB and Xtoxm than I am populartajo, and I'm pretty darn certain about populartajo too.

[Stephoscope]

Do you know how much I've been dying for him to post?

I wouldn't normally claim, but this should ensure we lynch the right person today. I'll be surprised if roflcopter isn't at least half right.

I'm really sorry your mason faked a post restriction for no reason whatsoever. If you're a day mason, how come you weren't successful with knocking some sense into him?

fishy fishy fish

He'll be back to spill the beans at some point

[Stephoscope]

the same reason your "daymason" Stepshoscope is saying.

You sound pretty certain you're on a different side than we are.

Look at the quotation marks.
Im still waiting for confirmation of SSK but your claim makes more sense from a townie perspective.
Now answer the question, are you confirmed town masons?

I am a pro-town Daymason. I won't dare speak for MafiaSSK.

[Stephoscope]

fishy fishy fish

Fish what? You already claimed.

If my daymasonpal would have been fakeclaiming a debilitating post restriction, I would have smacked him in the QT or via PM, and the shenanigans would have been nipped in the bud pretty quickly.

You don't get to hear a thing about what we may or may not have talked about.

[Stephoscope]

Do you know how certain I am that poptartajo is town?

LYNCH ME INSTEAD.

I can't help but amazing power role you have, given that neither of you are listed on my PM

[Stephoscope]

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

Go back to your QT, scum.

lol

I caught you again didn't I.

No, I caught you. Why would scum be on a QT during daytime? Would you like to fill us in on what you know?

For the record, I think it is very likely that the scum can talk during the day.

And hopefully my "lol" makes sense now.

Note that DGB ignored all this afterward

[Stephoscope]

Seriously, dgb. I don't know why you would quit. We already lynched scum today. Worst case scenario is we lynch a town next. Then we go to night, and people can rethink, do actions, etc. Even if the town is headed so totally wrong, after one lynch, we're bound to correct ourselves.

Wouldn't you quit out of sheer frustration if you had as many votes against you as she does?


/oh wait

[Stephoscope]

I'm going to lurk for 72 hours and see what happens... Consider it a "test", so to speak.

This falls under the category of "no test required."

I think it falls under the category of "simplistic trap".

59 hours down, 13 hours left?

[Stephoscope]

And you vote me because of it?

Who else besides scum would fake a PR? And don't give me the whole "bored town" crap.

I would like Xtomx and Stephoscope to answer my previous question as well.

I can't speak for MafiaSSK. I really hope he shows up soon.

I know he shouldn't be lynched, that's for sure. But I don't blame you for having voted for him then.

[Stephoscope]

I'm re-reading and trying to better understand this SSK wagon. I find a posting restriction really hard to believe, if that's what he's actually claiming.

You seem to have a lot to say about everything except the very serious allegations against populartajo, DGB, Xtoxm, and yourself.

The longer you all give each other a pass for all of the scumminess, the more I feel like roflcopter got it completely right.

[Stephoscope]

I'm re-reading and trying to better understand this SSK wagon. I find a posting restriction really hard to believe, if that's what he's actually claiming.

Steph claimed daymason with SSK, does that make any difference to you?

Technically, I didn't do this. I begged everyone not to lynch MafiaSSK, and then claimed Daymason. Everyone can draw his or her own conclusions.

[Stephoscope]

Did you not read my big post at all? I thought I completely gave my side of the story against the allegations against me. And I addressed tajo and his refusal to claim. And I'm asking Goof questions in attempts to get a better read. Sure, I didn't say anything regarding Xtoxm, but I think you're way out of line here.

The rest of the lot has been so darned scummy that, in my opinion, whether you're scum (for distancing) or town (for the win) your best play is to help lynch them ASAP. I can't tell you how to play, but if roflcopter's read is correct (and it sure looks like it to me), you guys haven't done yourselves many favors.

Oh well, I think DGB, Xtoxm, and populartajo should be lynched before you. If I'm way off, it'll be apparent soon enough

[Stephoscope]

Of all the town roles to fake a post restriction with, mason is at least one of the least bad. That doesn't make it not bad, just less bad.

Stephoscope, am I correct in saying that your role PM does

not

say that MafiaSSK is town?

I consider this fishing and will not answer this. I have said enough.

[Stephoscope]

Just confirm it then. This isn't something you should be able to go back on later and re-write as you see fit. I mean, really, if you're not confirming him as your partner, then we shouldn't make that assumption, and then that's a whole other ballgame.

I have nothing to say about anyone else's precise role. Other players can decide what they want to share.

I am a Daymason, and I know with 100% certainty that MafiaSSK is town-aligned.

[Stephoscope]

Of all the town roles to fake a post restriction with, mason is at least one of the least bad. That doesn't make it not bad, just less bad.

Stephoscope, am I correct in saying that your role PM does

not

say that MafiaSSK is town?

I consider this fishing and will not answer this. I have said enough.

YOU WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION OR YOU ARE NOT PLAYING TO THE TOWN WIN CONDITION

I am 100% certain that MafiaSSK is town. I will not address the contents of my PM, nor any other players' exact roles. That is for them to decide. Try and calm down until MafiaSSK gets here, okay?

[Stephoscope]

Taking a different apporach:

Steph,

why

won't you confirm it? I get that you won't, but... what's the big deal? Why are you making this out to be more important than it is?

I think it is bad form to call out someone else's role. I may or may not know why he was acting the way he was.

I'm not concerned about having "wiggle room" or any such thing. I'm not lying.

[Stephoscope]

... If you're claiming mason, you are inherently calling out your mason partner's role. If you don't want to call out his role DON'T CLAIM MASON.

Since you have already claimed mason, you have a duty to answer questions about your role. Scum already know to kill you and MafiaSSK; any further information you give can only help town. There is no protown reason to hide anything.

For what it's worth, the last player I remember who partially claimed and then refused to fully claim in a game I was in was DrippingGoofball in Minivitational 10. I hammered her. She was scum.

I am not at all convinced about your alignment, so I am uninterested in hearing about what you claim is my "duty", or how (not knowing all the facts) you're saying I'm not being pro-town.

For how many posts in a row are you going to focus on me when there's obvscum everywhere?

[Stephoscope]

You can't just claim mason and just expect your claim to not be met with any questions. Your "partner" has to confirm it.

Well, duh.

[Stephoscope]

Not only do I think DGB is slightly (like 99% compared to 98%) more likely to be scum than populartajo, Xtomx et al...but on the off chance we should be listening to what she has to say, we might as well find out sooner rather than later.

Unvote

Vote: DrippingGoofball

[Stephoscope]

Not only do I think DGB is slightly (like 99% compared to 98%) more likely to be scum than populartajo, Xtomx et al...but on the off chance we should be listening to what she has to say, we might as well find out sooner rather than later.

Unvote

Vote: DrippingGoofball

Unfortunately for you, you're going to hear more, because I'm not finished with my player analysis. BMQ was just one player.

Doesn't bother me any. Flip scum, and everything you post will be at worst worthless, and at best, clues towards finding the rest of you (although it should be apparent I think we pretty much have you beat already)

[Stephoscope]

Sigh. Fucking Steth. Yeah, I'm DayMasons with him. We are indeed unconfirmed to each other. No, we have not really said much in the mason lounge.

I don't mean to spoil your fun or anything, but I hardly think we'd be better off with you lynched.

And you hadn't said *a single word* in the mason lounge, despite my efforts.

[Stephoscope]

I am sending a PM to the mod to make sure I can say what I need to say (regarding my role PM) without a modkill.

[Stephoscope]

I am sending a PM to the mod to make sure I can say what I need to say (regarding my role PM) without a modkill.

This PM has been sent.

[Stephoscope]

I refuse to risk a modkill. This will be clarified later. For now just frickin' relax.

[Stephoscope]

I have been specifically authorized to quote my win condition, since it is identical to that posted for vanilla townies in the beginning of the game.

That win condition is "You win when all of the scum are dead, and there is at least one pro-town player still alive."

You can use your imagination regarding how the complete PM might look. You can also see how *the quoted part* could theoretically be arbitrary/misleading.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

[Stephoscope]

BTW, I am saddened that Stephoscope thinks I would try to cheat by getting him to do something that would get him modkilled. Sigh.

I actually never thought such a thing, but I STILL can't tell you exactly where my confusion came from.

[Stephoscope]

Hmm. So the mason PM probably looks something like this... (this is a guess based on what mason PMs usually look like)

You are a day mason with MafiaSSK. You and your partner can talk with each other outside the thread during the day. You win when all of the scum are dead, and there is at least one pro-town player still alive.

Your confusion was that you thought "you" applied to both of you, rather than just you personally.

Makes sense, I guess.

I cannot confirm or deny how much your PM looks like the one I received, but yes, "you" being interpreted as plural in the win condition (vs. a switch to singular or arbitrary) is the exact source of the disconnect between my earlier confidence and later confusion/hesitation to answer.

[Stephoscope]

3) They both have claimed conflicting role-based information about one another: Stephoscope claims his/her? partner is confirmed, MafiaSSK has contradicted this

I have explained my point of view in detail.

I disagree that there is obvscum anywhere and don't understand where this confidence comes from.

I see no possible way that DGB can be town. I have called her out on various things. I also am in agreement with roflcopter's overall analysis.

5) I don't see why Stephoscope didn't want to "implicate" her mason buddy by naming them to begin with.

Not only do I think it's bad form to roleclaim for someone else, but I have absolutely no idea why MafiaSSK has been acting the way he has.

Is this a joke? It's just stupid.

Of course it's not a joke. DGB is scum, but I have no problem with her posting whatever "analysis" she likes.

Did you just hypothesise for him a way he might not be scummy? Assuming the role pm was in fact worded like this, there's no way I would interpret it as confirming my partner- it looks just like how I'd expect a non-confirmed mason pm to look.

Well, congratulations. I was unaware that town-scum mason "teams" were plausible, and I find my role PM to be potentially misleading.

See above. How come MafiaSSK had no problems interpreting it?

Because it is potentially misleading and I believe any inexperienced player who hadn't participated in mason-related discussions would likely misinterpret it.

Steph: please ask in mason-chat for his explanation for his PR.

Yeah, I'll let you know if he answers that. Don't hold your breath.

[Stephoscope]

To all undecideds:

Why would you vote for Malyss when there is a very possible scumteam (DGB, populartajo, Xtoxm, BrianMcQueso, possibly others) that has been identified as a) all acting scummy and b) all consistently considering one another town?

I think if we lynch DGB, we'll know soon enough whether this theory is right and whether the analyses she's posted are anything worthwhile.

Who knows, maybe Malyss is indeed scum, but I think any focus on her right now is absurd.

[Stephoscope]

Clearly, all 5 of us are scum. Yos made 1/3 of this game scum, and you caught us all D1. Well done Rofl, you are so awesome.

Might as well find out ASAP instead of following a suspicious wagon from the suspicious group.

[Stephoscope]

As far as I can tell, everyone's posted in the last day or so. Someone double-check me...we need to make sure we stay on lurker patrol.

[Stephoscope]

Stephoscope. I really dont see Steph claiming daymason with such strength as scum and I dont see him lying about his PM when it was

obvious

SSK would confirm that they are not confirmed masons. Its possible he is scum and he slipped that SSK is town but his reactions to the Xyl pressure feel town. If there is a scum in the mason pair, its probably not him. Steph, how many games of mafia have you played and you are a girl?

I missed this the first time around, and only stumbled upon it during my lurker check. I have three completed games, and I'm a guy.

[Stephoscope]

(2) Satan is more townie than MafiaSSK.

Is this a reference to his meta or what?

Steph: how would you feel about lynching MafiaSSK?

I'd be disappointed, because I absolutely think we need to determine whether or not roflcopter's pegged scumteam is correct. I don't see how anyone thinks DGB is town, but if she happens to flip town, we can go in another direction.

That said, I could see SSK being scum, but I'm not convinced of it. What he's done makes no sense to me, and he's made no effort to explain it to me. Would outing a town mason really be that important to be the motivation for his behavior?

[Stephoscope]

I can easily see him as a scum mason. At the same time, I do believe Steph is a likely town mason.

I don't get the thought process here. If he is a scum mason then necessarily Steph is a town mason. Otherwise they are just plain ole' scum together.

Do you have knowledge that scum are able to talk during the day in this game?

DGB seemed to have such knowledge earlier, too...

[Stephoscope]

I think I might stick to newbie games after my current ones run out. I hate this "meta" stuff, and think it's a good way to 1) take the fun and creativity out of games and 2) lynch townies and let scum win

[Stephoscope]

I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town.

You'll note that the only way I advocate killing all players on that list is if they keep flipping scum when we kill them.

How come you stopped with your detailed analyses? Spit them all out now, then if you flip town, we can trust them, use them and hopefully you can still win.

[Stephoscope]

DGB seemed to have such knowledge earlier, too...

Nice misrep. This being said, the presence of daytalking masons and a fast game means that I wouldn't be surprised if the scum were daytalking indeed.

Misrep? You called me scum and told me to go back to my QT. You'll note that this was before anyone knew anything about daymasons. Exactly what would scum be doing in a QT during the day?

If I'm misrepping, care to clarify? Or want to just ignore it again?

[Stephoscope]

I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town.

misrep. steph never said to kill them all no matter what.

I know that he said, parapharasing, "as long as copter's list leads to scum lynch after scum lynch" or some such unrealistic caveat. So I said, "I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town."

I think you have your order backwards there.

And, while you insist the idea of all of you being scum is preposterous, it's amazing how all of you are dead-set against the idea of lynching ANY of you. Why not sacrifice one member of your proud hyposcum alliance to show we're all wrong about you?

[Stephoscope]

VOTE FOR DRIPPINGGOOFBALL!!!

[Stephoscope]

VOTE FOR DRIPPINGGOOFBALL!!!

Look.

I'm not asking that question for nothing.

I'm asking that question so that you have valuable information tomorrow.

I'm going to flip town. I'm asking to list which players are the most likely SCUM on my wagon.

If no one answers the question, it's going to be a wasteful, uninformative lynch.

Well, that's all well and good, but you're not leading in the voting, hence my campaigning.

[Stephoscope]

And I'll tell you this, too. Do not trust Xyl & copter's scumdars too much.

I don't trust Xyl at all. I trust roflcopter because everything he has said so far makes sense to me.

So for now just play along and answer my question. Four players are voting for me now. Which one is most likely scum and why?

I don't like the way you changed your question. I make no assumption that scum are voting for you now. Who should pay if you flip town? I say Malyss.

[Stephoscope]

Let's lynch DGB, Xtoxm, populartajo, BrianMcQueso, and Xylthixlm. The first time any of them flip town, we'll change gears and lynch Malyss.

[Stephoscope]

If Malyss flips town, we should lynch DGB, then Xtoxm, then populartajo, then BrianMcQueso, then Xyl until if and when one of them flips town.

Troll: I feel no need to blaze my own path when the answer is so darned obvious. Although I do take credit for the DGB daytalk catch.

[Stephoscope]

Correction: "If Malyss flips town, we should lynch DGB"

is

setting up mislynches.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to lynching DGB, but if there is a town flip we should definitely take the opportunity for more discussion tomorrow before deciding on another lynch, no?

Well, we don't know who will still be around tomorrow, and we will potentially have lurkers to worry about.

I'm just disappointed in today's lynch. I bet she's town.

[Stephoscope]

Steph, how confident are you that Malyss will come up town? What do you think we should do tomorrow if Malyss comes up scum?

I'm really confident Malyss is town. Should she be scum, it'll be time to celebrate, but then recalibrate.

[Stephoscope]

I'm confused. What results do we expect, and who do we expect them from?

Anyways, we should still vote DrippingGoofball, then Xtoxm, then populartajo, then BrianMcQueso, then Xylthixlm, and only stop if and when one of them flips town.

Vote: DrippingGoofball

[Stephoscope]

blah blah blah blah blah blah

[Stephoscope]

DGB, populartajo, and Xtoxm know that a vote for one is basically a vote for all of them.

[Stephoscope]

And Im not playing the victim. Im pretty sure scum are going to push my lynch today. Pretty sure.

This is interesting, given that the people who have pressured you this game are pretty much the towniest townies in town.

[Stephoscope]

It's weird how SpyreX thinks DGB is probably town, whereas I (with thanks to roflcopter) think she's in cahoots with the rest of who she's identified as scum. I agree SpyreX seems town, and he's suspecting some of the same folks I am, so I'll do a re-read.

For the record, I would have no problem voting for Xtoxm today either, though it's just seemed to me that DGB should go first...but I'll think about that some more.

(is there an off chance that SpyreX is scum, Xtoxm is town, and he's trying to get us to vote the townie of the bunch so that afterwards we'll focus elsewhere? I'm not accusing him of anything now, it'll just be something to look out for upon a re-read.)

[Stephoscope]

DGB, is there anyone from the apparent scumgroup of yourself, populartajo, Xtoxm, and BrianMcQueso who you would feel comfortable lynching? This could be your opportunity to save yourself.

[Stephoscope]

5 DrippingGoofball (elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking, roflcopter, Xylthixlm)

town town town town dunno, by the way

[Stephoscope]

I like Stephoscope

Thank you for that, because DGB basically called me a big loser-head in 1219.

[Stephoscope]

I like Stephoscope

Thank you for that, because DGB basically called me a big loser-head in 1219.

You are.

The scum are in lockstep agreement on it, to be sure.

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5 DrippingGoofball (elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking, roflcopter, Xylthixlm)

town town town town dunno, by the way

Wait, why is Empking town and Xyl you dunno?

Because.

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5 DrippingGoofball (elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking, roflcopter, Xylthixlm)

town town town town dunno, by the way

Wait, why is Empking town and Xyl you dunno?

Because.

No, no, impress me. Maybe that way you can start learning to think before posting.

You are a fake roleclaiming Scummy McScummerson

[Stephoscope]

Don't bother. No one is paying attention. I understand it's irritating.

*looks at vote count*

[Stephoscope]

You are a fake roleclaiming Scummy McScummerson

Steph's age is in the single digit range.

And yet I drive a nice car and have a hot wife and am about to get my Master's degree. It's quite amazing.

[Stephoscope]

Maybe Antihero should get an honorable mention for nearly lurking 72 hours.

There is no honor in that. Has he even come back?

[Stephoscope]

DGB, is there anyone from the apparent scumgroup of yourself, populartajo, Xtoxm, and BrianMcQueso who you would feel comfortable lynching? This could be your opportunity to save yourself.

DGB, did you want to answer this? You sure like to ignore posts that call out your scumteam.

[Stephoscope]

The scum will laugh watching you mowing the whole town down all by yourself, with a little help from your Kuato. And yes, we're back in Juls-Land.

I can't speak for roflcopter, but I've consistently said we stop if we get one wrong. But don't let that stop you from your desperate appeals.

[Stephoscope]

I can't speak for roflcopter, but I've consistently said we stop if we get one wrong. But don't let that stop you from your desperate appeals.

OK so go ahead an lynch me, you'll get your "wrong" and you'll have to shut up for the rest of the game.

My vote's in, that's all I got.

[Stephoscope]

My vote's in, that's all I got.

Maybe you need better arguments. Can you come up with some?

Other than the fact that you are apparently completely against lynching any of the scummiest players in the game? Nope, nothing better than that, sorry.

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I'll switch my vote to Xtoxm if that's the way the wagon rolls. I've said all along that I'm convinced he's scum as well.

[Stephoscope]

I think that being a mason warps the brain in ways I will never understand.

Huh? I think DGB, Xtoxm, and populartajo are scum. Please remove your palm from your face long enough to explain what was wrong with what I said.

[Stephoscope]

Having some level of confirmation should normally be a reason to be very proactive in your scumhunting - because, on some level, the other players KNOW you aren't scum messing with them.

Instead, you've opted to attach firmly to Rofl. Which, though -probably- being town, isn't truly confirmed.

I credit rofl for the original call, but everything that has happened since then, I judge with mine own eyes to be confirmation. They are all scummy. If some of them are not scum, I would have expected them to build a case against the others. Instead, they ignore their scumteam accusations and try and build cases against people who look pretty town to me (and also try and destroy my credibility).

Again, follow my recommendation, and I'll shut up if something goes wrong.

[Stephoscope]

Unvote
Vote: Xtoxm

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Unvote Vote Xtoxm

That's the hammer.

[Stephoscope]

...wow.

Back to the drawing board.

Sorry, Xtoxm.

[Stephoscope]

Quick post to avoid accusations of lurking. Busy day right now; I'll have more later.

[Stephoscope]

Mod Prod: Antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK,Stephoscope

I just posted a few hours ago.

[Stephoscope]

Mod Prod: Antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK,Stephoscope

I just posted a few hours ago.

Did you vote for me? If not, please do.

Maybe later, I don't have time right now for an adequate analysis.

[Stephoscope]

What the heck is wrong with Stephoscope???

Are you town?

If so, I don't want to lynch you.

[Stephoscope]

it seems apparent that stephoscope is taking your wifom bait and thinking that your utter meltdown makes you more likely to be town. steph, did you see the example xyl cited for near identical actions taken by dgb in minvitational 10, where she was scum?

Oh, I don't yet know whether or not she's town. I said all along I'd stop and re-think if someone flipped town, which Xtoxm did. And I did see Xyl's example, but I'm not big on all the meta stuff.

Plus, these histrionics are entertaining. Be back later

[Stephoscope]

I would just like to mention that the mason team in this game has to be the most useless in history.

[Stephoscope]

I still think rofl and elvis are town.

Vote: image

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elvis forgot about the masons. this is important... if mafiassk is a scum mason then elvis is town.

I like your thinking. But would regular scum and a scum mason definitely know the identities of one another?

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As I said on page 1...

I think anyone who lurks for 72 hours should be lynched, no questions asked.

I think we should start raising hell / casting votes if someone's even gone for 48 hours.

72 hours is the mod's threshold. It doesn't need to be our own. We should have insisted on more frequent participation to make it absolutely clear that lurking is forbidden and will result in a lynch every single time before the player gets anywhere near 72 hours.

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Elvis does not justify her vote. rofl does not justify his vote. Steph does not justify his vote.

I already kinda justified mine. I'm pretty convinced rofl and elvis are town, and will follow them unless something else inspires me, which hasn't happened. If you're lynched and flip town, Xyl's totally next. (and if I'm nightkilled, remember that town)

[Stephoscope]

I'd also like Steph to start pulling teeth in the mason QT. Extract any stances you can from MafiaSSK. Get his opinion on other players. Find out the

exact

terms of his post restriction. His contribution to scumhunting has been zero. If his post restriction is real, then I'm sure the QT exists to avatar things he would post normally. Get creative within any boundaries Yos has laid out.

His "post restriction" is complete BS and I really have no desire to work with him. I can't tell if he's scum or just a bored townie, but he couldn't possibly be acting more anti-town, whether in this thread or out of it.

[Stephoscope]

Of course not, but anyone playing this particular game should understand the need for frequent posting.

[Stephoscope]

[/url]Let's lynch DGB, Xtoxm, populartajo, BrianMcQueso, and Xylthixlm. The first time any of them flip town, we'll change gears and lynch Malyss.

!!! I can't believe I forgot to mention how amazingly scummy this looked the first time around. Wow. Especially when immediately followed by:

[/url]If Malyss flips town, we should lynch DGB, then Xtoxm, then populartajo, then BrianMcQueso, then Xyl until if and when one of them flips town.

I don't see at all why that's supposedly scummy. I thought we had a plan for victory. I was wrong.

Steph: If you are town, don't you think this stage of the game is a good time to start thinking for yourself and posting reasoning along with your votes, instead of just blindly following Elvis and rofl?

I'm not "blindly" doing anything. I think there are a lot of valid points against you, and you are just trying to cast doubt upon anyone you can, including me, which I do not think is going to be a successful effort for you.

You stated somewhere else:

Personally, I'm not convinced that Steph is town. Especially since it was Xyl who came up with an excuse for him claiming confirmed mason instead of unconfirmed, instead of he himself.

You think Xyl came up with an "excuse"? I call it an explanation, one that I didn't want to be overly forthcoming with due to concerns about quoting my role PM, but it should have been breathtakingly obvious what I was trying to convey.

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I believe that's what Xyl helpfully referred to as "setting up mislynches" a few pages ago.

If by "helpful" you mean "helpful for painting a pretty obvious townie as scum". Please note that I consistently argued against Malyss's lynch, and also declined to vote for DGB, even when she was begging me to do so, when Xtoxm flipped town and I began to have doubts about DGB's alignment.

So, in that case, I'll ask you again: Why are you voting me?

You are attacking both the seemingly most pro-town players (rofl, elvis) and the player with the most evidence he's town (me). There's also some gut feel involved, partially because I have no idea why you seemingly believe MafiaSSK's fabricated post restriction.

[Stephoscope]

Steph, what is your read on SSK?

Somewhere between "scum" and "bored townie acting too scummy to be scum".

Certainly anti-town. I wish he weren't wasting everyone's time with the fake post restriction. I wouldn't have any problem voting to lynch him.

In general, how are masons supposed to work together and accomplish anything if they don't know one another's alignment? Even if MafiaSSK weren't acting so awfully, and even if I hadn't roleclaimed early on, I still have no idea what good pro-town play would have been for me in this role.

[Stephoscope]

EBWOP

I meant "what (good pro-town play) would have been for me"

Not "(what good) (pro-town play) (would have been for me)"

Just making sure that was clear. Obviously I want to play in a pro-town fashion, my point is that I'm not sure how I could or can do that well, using my role.

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Isn't "Too scummy to be scum" a variation of "Too Townie"?

The problem is that, as frustrating as his behavior has been, I'm not sure there's any good reason for a scum to act that way either.

Some of you guys are all about the "meta" stuff--is there anyone in this game who might encourage his scum partner to act that way, or conversely someone who might be a target for framing that way?

In what circumstances would outed masons be beneficial for town? For scum?

[Stephoscope]

I appreciate it when players don't eliminate themselves from their own scumhunting diagrams. Is it a scumtell when they do?

[Stephoscope]

Note: I am asking this to everyone except populartajo; the less he does to influence others' answers to that question, the better he will look.

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Yeah, it's pretty convoluted.

But God, I hate the notions of masons being unconfirmed. I think the point of being masons is you know the other one is town and you work together. If you don't know the other is town it's just the same as not being masons, except you can talk out of thread, which it sounds like SSK is not doing. The whole thing is massively annoying to me.

Or perhaps I am cranky.

I think I expected steph to be more helpful sorting this out, too.

You tell me what exactly you think I should have done.

What exactly would I want to say to SSK in private that I wouldn't want to post here?

I have already asked exactly how I could have been more helpful as a mason, with a partner who is unconfirmed and was acting strangely and beligerent. I've also asked about why he might have wanted the masons outed, if that was his goal with all this behavior.

[Stephoscope]

Unvote
Vote: Mastin

[Stephoscope]

Hey MafiaSSK, tell me exactly why you accused me of something a while back?

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Antihero did a good job of not breadcrumbing like most new players would about my role.

I am the doctor

. Antihero targeted Tajo every night.

I'm not a particularly experienced player or anything, but I don't understand this at all. Are you saying you protected Tajo? Are you saying Antihero is scum? How would Antihero know anything to breadcrumb?

[Stephoscope]

vote: image

[Stephoscope]

Hey MafiaSSK, tell me exactly why you accused me of something a while back?

[Stephoscope]

for anyone who still didn't think elvis was basically confirmed town because of the zwet shenanigans, note that she's the one who noticed and pointed out mastin was at the lurk threshold.

I still remain convinced that you and elvis are town, even after our mislynches.

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"Even after our mislynches"? Two scum in five lynches is beating par.

Agreed, but I was totally on the Xtoxm wagon, and while I dropped off the DGB wagon, I still had been totally calling for her lynch beforehand.

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Hey MafiaSSK, tell me exactly why you accused me of something a while back?

'Cause I do

I am going to give you one more opportunity to answer this. If you're town or even want to pretend to be, you really should.

Hopefully you understand what I am talking about...you accused me of something I didn't do, remember?

[Stephoscope]

I just added you to my town list - the only thing I'm trying to break down is the lead-follow love triangle between you, Rofl, and Steph.

It's not that hard--what could possibly be a more romantic situation than a dog, a rabbit, and a piece of medical equipment?

[Stephoscope]

Where is steph we need to go have a threesome. I call middle.

I knew there was a reason I wanted to play this game.

[Stephoscope]

Hey MafiaSSK, tell me exactly why you accused me of something a while back?

'Cause I do

I am going to give you one more opportunity to answer this. If you're town or even want to pretend to be, you really should.

Hopefully you understand what I am talking about...you accused me of something I didn't do, remember?

What'd I accuse you of?

I just explained in detail in the quicktopic. You can respond there if you like.

[Stephoscope]

Also, BTW, Nuwen voting SSK now makes me thinkg SSK is town. All the scummy people default to trying to lynch SSK when their ass is on the fire.

I have noted this too. However, I have more on SSK, which I'll likely reveal later although I'm giving him the opportunity to respond first.

[Stephoscope]

Also, BTW, Nuwen voting SSK now makes me thinkg SSK is town. All the scummy people default to trying to lynch SSK when their ass is on the fire.

I have noted this too. However, I have more on SSK, which I'll likely reveal later although I'm giving him the opportunity to respond first.

Respond to what? If you mean the question in the QT, I've responded.

Yeah, I don't buy it.

All: I feel strongly that MafiaSSK has been trying all game to have the masons outed. (Hence my recent questions regarding why town might want the masons outed, or why scum might want the masons outed.)

First, SSK got himself into trouble here without having said a word in the quicktopic (he didn't see fit to pipe up at all for the first week)...I felt that I had to step up and say something...as while I had no idea why he was behaving the way he was with the whole silly fake post restriction, I still believed him to be confirmed town.

Then, a little while back

he accused me via PM of giving away that we have another mason partner.

(Yes, there is another mason here. No hints whatsoever have been given regarding this person's identity.) Obviously, I didn't want to bring this up until SSK "accidentally" hinted at it recently. But I had done no such thing. I have had no desire to work with SSK since his accusation, nor do I see how doing so could be beneficial.

(He just claimed in our quicktopic that his accusation was an "accident".)

So...while much of SSK's behavior is nonsensical, I definitely feel like he has been trying to get all the masons outed without actually taking responsibility for doing so. What do you all think?

[Stephoscope]

Stephoscope: If MafiaSSK was scum he wouldn't have to out the masons, he could just tell his scumbuddies in their QT.

I know that, but why on earth has he been acting this way?

[Stephoscope]

steph, you should have your silent partner give his/her opinion via the mason qt on the whole ssk thing and relate it to us here

I am allowed to PM that person, and shall do so now.

[Stephoscope]

I also want a clear answer from Steph about if the masons are confirmed to each other or not.

I think there has been some back and forth about this, or possibly it has been SSK fucking with us.

What do you mean? Do I know whether the other two are town? No, I don't.

Post 696 explains the earlier confusion I had.

Anyway, I have nothing to share regarding my mason partners right now, but for me personally, I'm thinking Mastin wouldn't have gone for the 72-hour bonus if we all haven't been on to something.

Unvote
Vote: Nuwen

[Stephoscope]

Does anyone see any potential benefit to keeping it a secret?

I think it puts any more important roles we have at risk. Mason is as useless as vanilla townie this game.

Can't I just agree to pipe up if the third mason gets to L-2 or something?

[Stephoscope]

Hey third mason: Please either reveal yourself in thread, or tell me via PM why you don't want to.

No one hammer Nuwen yet, she just posted.

[Stephoscope]

ps, you should probably already know this, but lynch minus one is also known as claim or die

Not to nitpick, but it's been claim and then die in my experience.

[Stephoscope]

That's probably correct, and suggests non-random role distribution (seriously, a Stephoscope, MafiaSSK and Empking mason group in a Lynch-All-Lurkers game???)

If you're using my very first game here as meta on me, that's a little unfair--I had absolutely no idea what the hell to do in that game

[Stephoscope]

I just remember DGB used her ability on him in Prisoner's Dilemma because he was lurking (not sure if that's the game you're referring to Steph) which ended up killing him as scum.

Yeah, that was my first game, and I was way over my head. After that I joined literally the longest newbie game ever, and after that experience I was fine

[Stephoscope]

How often do scum keep up their feigned innocence to the bitter end, instead of coming clean after lynch?

If Nuwen is town, I'm upset. I am sure the OMGTOWN alliance can be annoying, but the reason I was so annoying repeating the plan to vote of rofl's proposed scumteam earlier, is because I just felt like if that group WEREN'T a scum alliance, they would be trying to clear themselves and scrutinize others in the "team", as opposed to trying to deflect the accusations from any of them.

If Nuwen is town, that means Xtoxm, DGB, and McQueso were all town, and we couldn't have been more off.

rofl and elvis are playing masterfully if one or both of them is scum, but it's definitely time to entertain that possibility if this is another bad lynch.

[Stephoscope]

pffffffffft

What's invisible and smells like carrots? Rabbit farts.

[Stephoscope]

Roflcopter has been shot. He was a vanilla townie.

...wow. And I was so ready to build a case against rofl this day. Sorry for doubting you...

I too will confirm that q21/Kinetic is the third mason, and that we as masons have been useless.

[Stephoscope]

I still have not been told how I could have, or can, play, with other daymasons who aren't confirmed.

[Stephoscope]

despite initially believing them to be?

MafiaSSK didn't see fit to post in the quicktopic for like a week initially.

You know, what the hell.

Vote: MafiaSSK

[Stephoscope]

From what I've seen of both Steph and SSK, despite them both being horrible masons

If you have any ideas on what exactly I should have done differently with unconfirmed partners, one of whom was acting in a ridiculous fashion, you just let me know. What exactly could working together accomplish when we can't trust one another?

[Stephoscope]

And it's also worth noting you didn't bother to respond to the PM I sent you Tuesday.

[Stephoscope]

And yes, everyone, I'm allowed to send PMs to my fellow masons. And no, you're not.

[Stephoscope]

From what I've seen of both Steph and SSK, despite them both being horrible masons

If you have any ideas on what exactly I should have done differently with unconfirmed partners, one of whom was acting in a ridiculous fashion, you just let me know. What exactly could working together accomplish when we can't trust one another?

You don't need to work together. In that thread it should have been like a small mafia game. Questioning each other and talking things out. Instead the thread was basically dead and useless for anything.

And this is supposed to help exactly how? What good does a game-within-a-game do?

Why didn't you respond to my PM?

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If you have nothing to hide than you don't need to worry about what I find, now do you?

I'm not worried about any such thing, but why do you think it is somehow better for you to share your thoughts just with SSK and myself, as opposed to everyone? You have repeatedly avoided a straight answer to this.

You are voting for SSK, obviously you either think he is scum or you are setting up a lynch for both of us. Do you want me to participate? Back you up?

Talk in the QT if you want to discuss things like that or talk about them here. I have no time for petty PM games.

I really don't care what you think, or what you do, or what you've decided is "petty". I will participate in the QT if I am convinced it will be helpful; until then, I consider this mason stuff to be virtually useless here, other than that the way everything went down has confirmed me as town to some extent.

[Stephoscope]

Helpful to whom? Helpful to only you? How do you determine that? Are you somehow more important?

Helpful to the town, of course. I see no reason to trust you, nor assume you have the same goals in mind, enough to want to discuss things with you (and SSK) behind the back of everyone else.

And I'd love to see how you're confirmed town more than anyone else. If anything your responses and actions have made me more suspicious of you than of SSK with how everything is going down.

Terrifying.

[Stephoscope]

Oh, and I see Empking

still

has his vote on MafiaSSK. That + the claim move Empking up to scum.

For the record, I think have my vote there too. I don't share your opinion that all the masons are town.

That said, it's time to recalibrate after the massclaim.

Unvote

[Stephoscope]

I dunno. There have been a *lot* of vanilla flips and claims. Empking's claimed protections are admittedly convenient, but also make sense. Why is his roleclaim so suspicious?

I'd be more comfortable lynching a claimed vanilla.

[Stephoscope]

Stephoscope: Why do you believe one of the masons may be scum? Are you scum? Do you think that the fact that all dead townies were vanilla makes the remaining townies more likely to be vanilla, or less likely? Which do you think would be more balanced, three masons or three masons + a tracker + a doctor?

No, I'm not scum. As far as I'm concerned, if we masons are all town, that should have been in our role PM--just as I originally interpreted it. The ambiguity leads me to assume we're not all town. SSK's behavior has been completely anti-town and Kinetic might be trying a little too hard now; I could see either of them being scum.

I would have expected one or two more power roles to surface in the roleclaim, but admittedly I don't really feel qualified to evaluate the balance. I'll think about it, though.

[Stephoscope]

Tell me what the point is of having one weak information role (tracker) and one protective role, in an 18 player game? He's not even a cop, or some strong kind of power role. He's a tracker. It makes no sense to me.

Are there ever multiple trackers in a game?

We have to remember that Tajo was in a lot of trouble earlier. And tracker might have been a safe fakeclaim, given that we would expect a bunch of power roles in a game like this to track, if a real tracker existing wouldn't have exposed that someone was lying.

If Tajo is scum, he was exceedingly lucky when his alleged scumteam started being picked off and they all flipped town...

[Stephoscope]

Tell me what the point is of having one weak information role (tracker) and one protective role, in an 18 player game? He's not even a cop, or some strong kind of power role. He's a tracker. It makes no sense to me.

Are there ever multiple trackers in a game?

We have to remember that Tajo was in a lot of trouble earlier. And tracker might have been a safe fakeclaim, given that we would expect a bunch of power roles in a game like this to track, if a real tracker existing wouldn't have exposed that someone was lying.

If Tajo is scum, he was exceedingly lucky when his alleged scumteam started being picked off and they all flipped town...

I wouldn't expect multiple trackers in the game, no, although I have seen that. But I would expect maybe a stronger information role like a cop, or other kinds of info roles.

I find it very odd for there to be SO many vanilla and then two random power roles.

Well, we need to think about not only what roles we expect, but also what it would have made sense for Tajo, if scum, to fakeclaim.

[Stephoscope]

Do I have to make a case against you to prove that you have been off all the game, specially when pushing DGB wagon

Do you admit that you arent playing your current town meta and that your play here painfully reminds me of Mind Screw?

I have been suspicious of Xyl all game, but you'll have to put a case together that doesn't involve meta to convince me.

[Stephoscope]

ortolan: My gut just tells me that there aren't THAT many vanillas, and that one or more of the claimed vanillas are scum taking the easy fakeclaim.

Anyway, I'm going to be away for the next 48 hours or so. I have family coming in for my graduation (I have no idea why graduation is scheduled for a Thursday, but it is). I'm not trying any funny business--I will have no problem posting on Friday, but if I don't, lynch away.

[Stephoscope]

this post only serves to bump up my last post time a little. V/LA for the next 48 hours.

[Stephoscope]

Dropping in to say hello and get myself off of the lurk list. I'll post more when I'm caught up.

[Stephoscope]

I had my vote on image before, and will hammer him in a little while...unless anyone provides a reason to hold off, or anything else noteworthy happens

[Stephoscope]

I think one or both of SSK or Steph (yes, even though they are masons with me) could be scum.

Kinetic is probably scum. He is trying way too hard. Look at this statement of the obvious. OMG A MASON MIGHT BE SCUM??

[Stephoscope]

I think one or both of SSK or Steph (yes, even though they are masons with me) could be scum.

Kinetic is probably scum. He is trying way too hard. Look at this statement of the obvious. OMG A MASON MIGHT BE SCUM??

I agree Kinetic is scummy, but I don't like your reasoning. "Trying too hard" seems too much like a fallacy, like someone being "too townie" or being "overdefensive."

Although it's possible you're just not explaining it right (whatever problem you have with him).

Well, keep in mind it's the impression I've had of him for a while. He hopped right into the mason quicktopic and started "scumhunting", despite the fact that I'm unconvinced there's any point to doing it in a room of unconfirmed masons, and despite the fact that I'd agree with your analysis that the masons have been useless (I'm trying to help out as best I can as a townie, but I still have no idea exactly how this mason role can be used to the town's advantage.)

[Stephoscope]

Vote: Kinetic

[Stephoscope]

Vote: Kinetic

Last period your start-of-period fellow mason vote was MafiaSSK. What changed your mind?

Good memory. Again, Kinetic has just been trying way too hard (which I DO think is a scumtell, and DO think is different than being "too townie", as being townie is good but I have yet to be convinced that being an unconfirmed mason has any point)

Are you scum also?

[Stephoscope]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

You and Kinetic

[Stephoscope]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

You and Kinetic

You think there's only two scum left?

If you were wrong on one of those, who's third?

I do not have answers for these right now.

[Stephoscope]

Kinetic, you are so full of it. I was in the quicktopic as soon as the game started, but my mason experience has been soured by MafiaSSK's ridiculousness, the fact that I can't trust my partners, and the fact that you simply can't tell me how on earth a mini-game in the quicktopic could be beneficial to the town. You claim I'm scummy; I claim I see no benefit whatsoever to participating in the quicktopic. Everyone else can judge who is more believeable here.

[Stephoscope]

Since I entered the game you've made a total of one post in the QT. During that time you also sent me a PM (which I found) trying to get me to turn on SSK and help get him lynched.

You made 4 posts previous to that, all within the first seven days of the thread being opened.

SSK is rediculous, I don't discount that, but you have also not been using the thread to its potential either. There was another mason, granted, he replaced out, but you still could have done more.

I JUST EXPLAINED why I see no reason to participate in the quicktopic any further.

And once again you are talking about "using the thread to its potential" and how "I could have done more", etc., but once again you don't explain exactly how a separate thread is supposed to help. I don't trust either of you. Why would I choose to have a discussion with you separate from the other players?

The fact is, since then I've tried to use as much information as possible to glean what side you are on, but you've done absolutely bubkis. You've pleaded with the people here and now that you feel you are getting other players who feel you are somewhat townie you've relaxed and refused to do anything.

In the mean time SSK has sent me loads of information, including a list of all the games he's been in where a QT was used so that I could analyze his behaivior in those games and this one, and not just townie games but scum games as well.

You. Well you don't care. You are acting like scum who has a little bit of protection and is afraid to show more of themselves for fear of a contradiction. If you were so town you wouldn't have that fear. You'd have the rational that EVEN if you were lynched that your statements can be used to help find scum.

You have been acting quite the opposite though, and THAT is why I think you are loads more scummy than SSK and if I had to choose a mason I thought was scum you would be it.

So PMs from me are "silly games", but PMs from SSK are A-OK? Interesting.

And why shouldn't other players, including myself and the non-masons, have the opportunity to analyze the same information?

More evidence of you being more concerned with "playing the mason role" than you are with actually scumhunting (or pretending to).

[Stephoscope]

Thanks, tajo.

I would have enjoyed playing as a mason a lot if we were all confirmed, which I absolutely thought we were. And, while MafiaSSK's play was infuriating, at least it helped confirm me to whatever extent. I never ever would have come forward about my role if he hadn't gotten himself into trouble.

For the record, I was thanked with a "Stethy you suck" reply from SSK in the quicktopic. And you all wonder why I have no desire to work with these people

[Stephoscope]

Out of curiosity, how would it be handled if neither town nor scum wanted to nightkill until after the other side did first? Has that ever happened here?

[Stephoscope]

Unvote
Vote: No lynch

[Stephoscope]

I'm around. I've been re-reading looking for clues and trying to ensure everyone's speculations make sense...and I figure we're kind of waiting for tajo to get back anyway.

[Stephoscope]

Good point, where's Mr. Mason?

There has been no activity in the mason thread since daybreak, for whatever that's worth.

[Stephoscope]

People supporting my lynch think its me and Empking, specially Xyl and ortolan. Besides that being a retarded scumpair after both "fakeclaiming" power roles, do you think I could go with the No NK option when almost half of the players were against me and my supposedely only chance to win the game was to nk someone?

Thhink, people. This confirms, IMO, that we are facing a 3 scum team that 100% has Xyl and prob ortolan on it with a scum in the masonry. My situation was shitty yesterday, do you really think I deliberately put myself in the same situation than yesterday?

I'm buying this.

Vote: Xylthixlm

[Stephoscope]

My situation was shitty yesterday, do you really think I deliberately put myself in the same situation than yesterday?

I'm buying this.

You're buying WIFOM?

Yes, I am. Just because there's WIFOM involved doesn't mean I can't think you're more likely to have orchestrated a no-kill than Tajo.

[Stephoscope]

The masons are being very uncooperative.

My vote is where I think it should be. It is really time to go in a different direction here.

[Stephoscope]

The masons are being very uncooperative.

My vote is where I think it should be. It is really time to go in a different direction here.

You've hardly said anything about why you thikn Xyl is scum though. You're just putting faith in empking. If agreeing with Empking is your main basis for a vote, that's a pretty bad idea.

I'm more agreeing with what tajo said than putting faith in Empking. And I don't for one minute believe all of those vanilla claims are legit.

[Stephoscope]

And I personally don't need anything repeated in

BIG BOLD LETTERS

[Stephoscope]

stephoscope look at the DEAD PLAYERS LIST and then try to chant to yourself again that all our vanilla claims are implausible

Hmm, this is fishy. You're talking like you're sure the other "vanillas" are on your side. And I didn't suggest *all* those claims were implausible, just that there was likely to be scum in the bunch.

[Stephoscope]

Also: if we mislynch here with 3 scum alive, it is game over for the town unless we quick lynch someone. If all three scum are allowed to lurk during the second lynch, even if we nail one of them, the other two will be able to NK and end the game.

So that is very important to keep in mind.

We lynch one of Xylthixlm and ortolan--if that happens to be a mislynch, we quicklynch one of populartajo and Empking.

Or vice-versa.

Is there anyone who thinks this won't work?

[Stephoscope]

The above vote is for L-1.

I really would prefer to lynch Xylthixlm or ortolan, but will consider a tajo lynch if we can all come to some sort of agreement about what happens if he's town.

[Stephoscope]

Yeah, I think I'd definitely prefer lynching tajo first.

Well, there ya go.

[Stephoscope]

I think I am fine with lynching ortolan, not Xylthixlm, if populartajo flips town.

And lo, all three masons are in agreement about something.

[Stephoscope]

Wow!

I see no reason not to

Vote: Empking

and believe that we are in fact in a game with nothing but vanillas and masons. One doctor and no other power roles? I don't buy it.

[Stephoscope]

It's bizarre looking back on the thread knowing what we know now. Everyone else on roflcopter's proposed scumteam was lynched and flipped town, but tajo somehow stayed alive this long.

Anyway, everyone keep an eye out for lurkers.

[Stephoscope]

FWIW, I think ort is town, and if the game is not over, if there are more scum out there, I would be looking to lynch one of the masons, prob kinetic.

I will say again, Ort was pushing to lynch AH when he could have easily lynched malyss. Also, he's been consistently pushing for tajo/emp lynches today. We know tajo was scum, and I bet Emp is too. Nobody busses to that extent. It's suicide.

I agree with you. I think the game is over, and I say we lynch Kinetic if it's not. If Xyl and ort are town, I offer them my apologies.

[Stephoscope]

What an amusing setup. Apologies to ortolan, Xylthixlm and Kinetic for suspecting them. Playing logically and without emotion can be a good thing, so I need to stop interpreting it as scummy.

No apologies to MafiaSSK...yes we're here to have fun, but don't screw your team while doing so!

But still, this is the first game in six completed games I've been in here that town has actually won

[Stephoscope]

Here's the mason quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/hCrL8fNU6DS

You may lose IQ points reading it

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But Thok, killing Steph would have been a terrible play when he was obviously supporting me. I also knew that when DGB and Xtoxm were lynched he would totally switch his suspiocions of me.

Yeah, that did work out well for you. roflcopter was so obvtown, and yet I was ready to turn on him after everyone kept flipping town.

[Stephoscope]

[quote="elvis_knits"]Threesome with rofl and steph was kinky and awesome.[quote]

This means it's over? *snif*

[Stephoscope]

If you read the Mason QT, as you can see, I tried to revive it, but ironically only SSK was helping me out. Steph was completely absent, which frustrated me, and was why I thought he was scum.

And I thought you were scum for actually trying to use that thing.

[Stephoscope]

I couldn't fight off his brainless clones either (Stephoscope most notably) because they were such mindless followers.

You can call me "brainless" and "mindless" and whatever else you like, but there was method to my madness. The reaction from the (innocent) players being called out as a scumteam was unlike the reaction I would have expected from townies who weren't sure about the alignments of the others. Oh well, live and learn.