Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Vanderscamp
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Naerys
VOTE: Random Nurse
VOTE: Whemestar
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Roden
VOTE: looker
VOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

By voting everyone before they vote me, I am immune to any and all accusations of OMGUS!

[Gamma Emerald]

Curses! Foiled again!

[Gamma Emerald]

What if I am already having fun?

[Gamma Emerald]

All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a circle.
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[Gamma Emerald]

@Naerys, do you like rolling scum?

I cant like something i have never rolled

You haven't played a single scum game since 2019?

I played few newbie games in 2019 ( was rown in all of them) and then i didnt play for bunch of years, came back this September and was town in all games i played since my return

I buy it

I kinda dislike this reply

[Gamma Emerald]

for what specific reason?

I think the meta doesn’t call for those manner of reply. A more matter-of-fact acknowledgement feels more normal.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you're looking too deeply into a throw away comment

Possible, but it’s page 4 so there’s not much to work with

[Gamma Emerald]

for what specific reason?

I think the meta doesn’t call for those manner of reply. A more matter-of-fact acknowledgement feels more normal.

so how are you reading the reply then?

Mild scum
VOTE: Vanderscamp for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Sort of, it feels unsure how to respond naturally

[Gamma Emerald]

That was poorly conveyed if so

[Gamma Emerald]

Just saying “acknowledged” or “noted”

[Gamma Emerald]

Just saying “acknowledged” or “noted”

Unfortunately those two responses don't convey that I have a town read on them, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone with six simple letters!

Not a fan of this, but I think it's more of a posting style thing

Yeah I think sparing a couple more words would’ve been better in this instance

[Gamma Emerald]

For what I thought was a simple acknowledgment yes
For saying you think Naerys is town, more were likely deserved. And I’m not the only one to say so.

[Gamma Emerald]

Apologies. That's also once more an error in VC rendering. Flavor Leaf has been added in.

scum!FL should not be able to vote...

[Gamma Emerald]

why is Star scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll think about it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: whemestar
Yeah no this isn’t town!Wheme

[Gamma Emerald]

You actually responded to the wagon on you by making content in G&R VI

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I don’t exactly regret that wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Roden
I agree with Celeb’s thought here somewhat but I am rather bothered by the soulread on Wheme that didn’t pan out. That felt too early to call.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Kitty

I feel another soul read coming on

[Gamma Emerald]

hey gang
have things to do so can't stop by for long
seeing as no one got shot i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor

What were you able to invent?

Read that role again pal

[Gamma Emerald]

What were you able to invent?

Idk if I wanna tell scum yet

VOTE: kitty

I ask because I actually received an invention last night

I don't think I should claim what it is just yet, but I can at least confirm that this game seems to have multiple Inventors

Ah

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m okay if this goes through. Someone hammer.

Kitty is in their scum meta, and yessiree is bussing.

we are not blitzing 2 days in a row

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is a soul read so bad?

My problem is it’s Roden’s soul read and I don’t trust him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I can afford you a little trust. As a treat.

[Gamma Emerald]

In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.

And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.

In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.

So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.

I don’t feel like this argument is very good. It feels like you assume Roden would stick to the same general scum gameplan. My gut reaction is “this would be exactly what Roden would want you to sey if he’s scum”.

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing is RN also seems to have site flaked

[Gamma Emerald]

Damn I ninja’d your ass hard
But yeah thinking about it the way yessiree whipped back to being like “yeah I’d still vote Gamma” after being questioned about switching to Kitty feels like regardless of Kitty’s alignment, yessiree was real concerned about maintaining a consistent worldview

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait I’m a dumbass for some reason I thought Kitty replaced RN
see these wild topic shifts are the fucking death of me. I made a fucking mod error in the last game I ran because of shit like this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t expect to get sheeped so hard on Kitty, but I do expect scum hopped on, especially if Kitty is scum.

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

Town RN is aggressive.

Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

Like you shift from talking about kitty to talking about RN, who yessiree replaced, with NO segue. This whiplash could cause lasting neck injuries.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok sorry I'm not random and spontaneous like FL?

What???

[Gamma Emerald]

ok sorry I'm not random and spontaneous like FL?

What???

why did you assume I'd drop my scumread on you after I voted kitty?

no one was biting on that read so might as well do something with my vote

I don’t believe I said that
My issue is the way you affirmed it/that you needed to affirm it in the first place
One of my biggest problems with how people argue in this game is they use a lot of “you claim you love pancakes so that must mean you hate waffles” logic, and I feel like you picked up none of that energy and I feel like that’s sus? Am I overanalyzing?

[Gamma Emerald]

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

I’ll believe it when i see it

Doesn’t the mod post say as much? What r u smoking

[Gamma Emerald]

FL feels very different to 245

I agree but he’s also kinda failing the vibe check

[Gamma Emerald]

Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

But alas, i am town taking it easy this game.

I also shoot out honey everywhere.

Like this Naerys read screams guilty conscience. Hid objective is to pre-emptively neutralize a scum read he expects to occur by suggesting Naerys is fishing for reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Roden
His Kitty hop-off actually feels towny with how much his sngle feels like it changes. I agree with Drew the AtE feels mediocre but I think scum!Roden would be more worried about the optics than he is here

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda do but I feel like I also saw vaguely similar stuff in Mafia Have A Cop

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda do but I feel like I also saw vaguely similar stuff in Mafia Have A Cop

you hate how much you know this is town me lol

True

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I didn't even see that claim.


Gamma, I don't think you're especially scummy but I think your reads are very wrong!

Okay? I think saying this when I opted to not go straight into pushing FL is an overstep.

Also, I feel kinda skeevy about Drew’s FL progression

[Gamma Emerald]

FL feels very different to 245

I agree but he’s also kinda failing the vibe check

I like giving Flavor a long leash since I feel the towniness(if there) will shine through at some point.

But ya, I am kinda with you here Gamma.

Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

But alas, i am town taking it easy this game.

I also shoot out honey everywhere.

Like this Naerys read screams guilty conscience. Hid objective is to pre-emptively neutralize a scum read he expects to occur by suggesting Naerys is fishing for reasons.

You wanna vote Flavor with me?

I kinda do but I feel like I also saw vaguely similar stuff in Mafia Have A Cop

FL feels very different to 245

When does Flavor seem similar from game to game?

Can I answer?

When I want you to think I seem similar.

Like, this does not look great.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't know, not especially, but it's a genuine question.
I dislike Gamma's reads and don't think they've been overtly towny.

Feels kinda weird this is only coming up now when Drew has said he townreads and wants to sheep me from daystart

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Drew
I think Naerys is kinda cooking here

[Gamma Emerald]

This tracks with Kitty likely being scarred by my gambit in the Micro I was scum a little while back.

elaborate?

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

feeling so validated someone else saw through that bs
KEEP TELLING HIM OFF MADAM AND DONT STOP

Asking me to tell of a recent scum heist? Say less.

It all started with a classic day 1 crumb. FL walks on by, wondering what they should do this time as scum, so I do a sneaky little WEAK FN soft hidden Definitely way more subtle than the one I did here, as it was for a role, not a result.

Anywho, end of Day 1, I say well, meow

Onto Day 2. I get a quick wagon when KittyMo said they town read me and sheeped me and that I was someone they trusted. Quick wagon so Kitty only gets a few posts in that day.

Night 2….I kill Kitty moo ha ha …ha


And then I explain the soft on Kitty and everyone sees me as conf town.

Game won

KittyMo is a different person

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I have only seen KittyMo as a mod and not a player lol

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

Who else is in it atp

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know how to say it, the reasoning made sense in my head.

Nah it tracks

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum kinda have to try and use me nowadays because I'm good at rallying and creating momentum, so they have to like guide it.

They have to do that with everyone, of course, but im a constant spinning plate that sometimes gets off balanced, and scum have to keep it spinning and stable.

Didn't want to quotes the big post, but I definitely am not trying to tear down town reads on you. I believe you are town and scum might be using you to push a mislim. Like they are really trying to make it known to everyone that you are town and your reads should be trusted. I am getting ahead of myself without a flipped scum, but reading elements post the thought popped in my head.

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

Who else is in it atp

Just you and me for now.

I don’t really vibe w this town block plan
It feels a bit underbaked, and something tells me it’s a bit of an imitation too

[Gamma Emerald]

I could buy Elements fake claiming inventor but adding Roden to it approaches a level of entropy that I think Occam’s razor would conflict with. That plan has too much potential to fall apart I think. Massclaim would prove it wrong anyway?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: yessiree
I’m okay with this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

OKAY AND?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ele claim feels real. Too much of a wild conspiracy theory otherwise.

I like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

[Gamma Emerald]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

Nah town plays that way very often ime

[Gamma Emerald]

Where's yessiree? Oddly calm for e-2.

where am I? where are you broski? I feel like I've played the game more than you even though i missed an entire day

Mmhm

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe?? Only one modifier has been claimed so I see where the weirdness comes in

[Gamma Emerald]

*stare*

[Gamma Emerald]

Poking Elements and Looker. Prodding ActionDan. Enjoy the holiday, Americans.

:[

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally feel like it’s convoluted

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally feel like it’s convoluted

I agree, but if Dan doesn't think it is fake, then why dislike it?

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all wanna vote Naerys?

why Naerys?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys
Yeah this is cool w me

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Vanderscamp
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Naerys
VOTE: Random Nurse
VOTE: Whemestar
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Roden
VOTE: looker
VOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

By voting everyone before they vote me, I am immune to any and all accusations of OMGUS!

This is the only time I’ve voted Kitty this game. You better print that retraction right now, Flavor Leaf.

[Gamma Emerald]

aight
UNVOTE:
I dunno where I want to vote but I’ll give some runway on Naerys for Flavor’s sake

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to think whether the interaction of neighbors + RC makes yess more town/scum at all

[Gamma Emerald]

I will only say this once: if you’re lying about a vanillaizer existing Elements, it’s better to say so now so we don’t get mislead by incorrect info.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: yessiree
I don’t know what the slip is but I was already leaning towards going back here
I do want the slip clarified at some point tho

[Gamma Emerald]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

had they sent out an action, they wouldn't have gotten a 'No Result' back. No Result is its own type of result.

They just slipped up.

Ah. Yeag I thought the whole deal between yessiree and Roden was weird too wrt Roden confirming yess’s role

[Gamma Emerald]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... astinating

That page says for games with unknown faction size, it should always be able to act at night. Since it’s modified to be usable after one scum flips, I think that caveat would get taken out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Neighbor Semi-Procrastinating Role Cop

my action doesn't succeed (no result) when all 3 mafia are still alive during the night

Actually how the fork do you even know there’s 3 mafia?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah in that case it falls back to my prior issue of the being able to act despite the reason given for that ability not being present, but it’s a double whammy now. Mutated role + faction size is known.

[Gamma Emerald]

…This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase.

I call hogus-bogus.

[Gamma Emerald]

There is only one scumteam, which has 3 members. Consequently, there are 10 townies. No alignment changes are possible.

and the actions regarding the procrastinating modifier can quickly be checked through a 2 minute wiki read

but obviously yall think yourselves so knowledgeable you don't fact check stuff anymore

This post
An actual reading of the wiki gives a very strong reason why Yess shouldn’t have been able to use his role in the way that he claims.

[Gamma Emerald]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

[Gamma Emerald]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

[Gamma Emerald]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

The wiki doesn't say that.

You need glasses, sir. Because while it doesn’t explicitly say that, it in essence says that. The entire reason Procrastinating can act at all times in some games is that in those games the scumteam size isn’t known. It’s known here, so that caveat is unnecessary.

[Gamma Emerald]

…This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase.

I call hogus-bogus.

Think, Roden, think! The wiki literally says Procrastinating may “attempt to act” in games where scumteam size is unknown, which is how the no result would occur, since it would have been a failed action attempt. In a game with a known scumteam size, the intended usage necessitates the Procrastinating role not be able to attempt an action until its condition is met.

[Gamma Emerald]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

The wiki doesn't say that.

You need glasses, sir. Because while it doesn’t explicitly say that, it in essence says that. The entire reason Procrastinating can act at all times in some games is that in those games the scumteam size isn’t known. It’s known here, so that caveat is unnecessary.

Gamma, it literally says if they try to act they would get a no result PM

IN A GAME WITH UNKNOWN SCUMTEAM SIZE!

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: me @ this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. See signature, we just insta-merc Roden when Yess flips scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I highly expect the kill being stopped last night was a result of a blocker targeting Yess, so whoever did that should target Roden tonight.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor should target elsewhere so we get a clear via his role

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I highly expect the kill being stopped last night was a result of a blocker targeting Yess, so whoever did that should target Roden tonight.

???

If you think I'm scum then how does this prevent the kill? There's more than two scum in the game and you just told the scum team that they're safe to do the kill.

There was in implication for Flavor to target elsewhere + a belief the Yessiree flips scum here meaning only 2 scum remain. I opted to make the implicit statement explicit for clarity.

[Gamma Emerald]

The goal is to paralyze your scumteam as much as possible. Let’s say you, Yess, and a third that isn’t Flavor Leaf are scum. Yessiree gets eliminated today, and his scumflip deeply implicates you. Blocking you ensures that in order to get a kill, your team needs to send that unknown third to do it. Flavor Leaf can then hopefully get a clear on a player. After that, you get voted out and Flavor and the blocker can target separate players until one of them dies.

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all there's no way you think a Rolecop isn't investigative...

No one has said that.

[Gamma Emerald]

The goal is to paralyze your scumteam as much as possible. Let’s say you, Yess, and a third that isn’t Flavor Leaf are scum. Yessiree gets eliminated today, and his scumflip deeply implicates you. Blocking you ensures that in order to get a kill, your team needs to send that unknown third to do it. Flavor Leaf can then hopefully get a clear on a player. After that, you get voted out and Flavor and the blocker can target separate players until one of them dies.

You're making too many assumptions for this to be a real thought process

That is what I like to call “optimism”

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all there's no way you think a Rolecop isn't investigative...

No one has said that.

YOU LITERALLY DID!!

WHERMST

[Gamma Emerald]

The wiki explicitly says investigative actions can still act but will receive no result

You're saying that can't happen

That is not the part I’m taking issue with AT ALL. You need to re-analyze the conditionals on that wiki page! Because it says the role should only be able to attempt to act any time at night in a game with unknown scumteam size, and ONLY THEN would the investigation role get a No Result! So since Yess should not have been allowed to act, there should not be a result PM that says No Result or otherwise!

[Gamma Emerald]

THERE IS LITERALLY AN INVENTION THAT MAKES MY ROLE WORK EVEN WHEN ALL 3 SCUMS ARE ALIVE
THERE IS LITERALLY AN INVENTION THAT MAKES MY ROLE WORK EVEN WHEN ALL 3 SCUMS ARE ALIVE
THERE IS LITERALLY AN INVENTION THAT MAKES MY ROLE WORK EVEN WHEN ALL 3 SCUMS ARE ALIVE
THERE IS LITERALLY AN INVENTION THAT MAKES MY ROLE WORK EVEN WHEN ALL 3 SCUMS ARE ALIVE
THERE IS LITERALLY AN INVENTION THAT MAKES MY ROLE WORK EVEN WHEN ALL 3 SCUMS ARE ALIVE

what’s the ability name of the invention?

[Gamma Emerald]

The wiki explicitly says investigative actions can still act but will receive no result

You're saying that can't happen

That is not the part I’m taking issue with AT ALL. You need to re-analyze the conditionals on that wiki page! Because it says the role should only be able to attempt to act any time at night in a game with unknown scumteam size, and ONLY THEN would the investigation role get a No Result! So since Yess should not have been allowed to act, there should not be a result PM that says No Result or otherwise!

No, it doesn't, and you are 100% lying. I pulled up proof right from the start and you keep ignoring it to make an alternative interpretation.

You have the reading comprehension of a frog.

[Gamma Emerald]

What the fuck is Engineer? That shit ain’t on the wiki!

[Gamma Emerald]

What the fuck is Engineer? That shit ain’t on the wiki!

I don't know why I wrote Engineer, I meant Invention. I claimed it early at Day 2 start.

Alright. I was hoping a gotcha would manifest if I pressed it. No Ace Attorney moment unfortunately

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm actually losing my mind right now

Cope. 3 people have come to a different conclusion than you, maybe you should take the L and accept you are wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

Three people can't read

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

I tried to disengage ftr

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. See signature, we just insta-merc Roden when Yess flips scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that’s bullshit. If that was the case you wouldn’t be so unreceptive to being told you’re wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

When it comes in the face of three people saying otherwise, it feels like willful ignorance, and you using strong ad hominem-type language against me is not very friendly either. Saying I am “100% lying” about a

semantics debate

is not conducive to having a good time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, are you meaning to suggest Dan is ALSO lying since he came to the same conclusion I did ON HIS OWN?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dan please just fucking hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the fuck are you fighting me on this

Why can't you just own that you did a shitty thing

I am not fighting you about me being toxic, I may have gone too far. My issue is you taking a high road that you certainly do not get to take.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m fucking out of here.

[Gamma Emerald]

That explains the lack of kill at least

[Gamma Emerald]

The Alien flip
The Alien faction’s core gimmick the factional kill being one-shot but having overpowered individual abilities

[Gamma Emerald]

That explains the lack of kill at least

What does?

Oh nvm I am dumb, read yess's role again lol.

Also, Roden is scum

VOTE: Roden

What do you make of Flavor’s points?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah, cool

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Roden
Want to let everybody post but yeah this is just about locked in

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, actually, Drew if you’re town, Roden is scum for sure, let’s take a little bit of time for now.

I do think we should mass claim.

Yeah I’m dtfmc (down to fuken mass claim)

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m vanilla town

[Gamma Emerald]

MMMMMM

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if there is a town inventer that gave an invention to roden n1 they should claim. Because otherwise... today is probably a foregone conclusion

This post kinda bugs me btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Naerys is hard-cleared btw because presuming the inventor and vanillaizer are scum-aligned, both scum roles that aren’t Yess acted N1

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if there is a town inventer that gave an invention to roden n1 they should claim. Because otherwise... today is probably a foregone conclusion

This post kinda bugs me btw

This was the natural conclusion from the available info.

It just felt like you already knew Drew’s result was coming. I also think your stances on Roden + Celeb EoD2 are slightly bothersome

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah that’s NAI imo if you’re talking about the snap popcorn with no claim
If you’re talking about choosing Looker, please elaborate

[Gamma Emerald]

Naerys is hard town imo because of FL’s result and the current night action landscape

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum have multi-task, can alientech + personal ability. I agree she hard town by play

You forget the nature of FL’s clear. He did not see Naerys act at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Right now, I think it’s DrewScum, unfortunately.

I think their real role is something like 1-shot Success Complex Vanillaizer, if that, and they set this vulnerable gambit on Roden so they could push through a guilty and be cleared the next day.

My main reason for thinking Drew is scum here is because Drew was crumbing a bit too hard yesterday, and remember, I had claimed Reporter, not JOAT (it’s possible scum Role Copped me Night 1, of course), but in that regard, Drew had been claiming a way to get an Inno + a possibility of No Result.

Why was I Vanillaized over Drew with those crumbs by Drew?

I also think it’s possible Drew claimed stuff in case of me checking him, and he had a reason to have made an action, and thus, I’m Vanillaized and would no longer be able to make an action.

Elements was vanillaized N1???

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes exactly
If Drew was 1-Success both you and Elements shouldn’t have both been vanillaized

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I’m guessing we’ll vote once Looker and Vander claim

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That means Naerys was the intended target for the Frail invention then
That makes more sense and neutralizes some of my concern about Dan

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I literally did nothing. 1-shot Bus Driver, swapped Celebloki and Naerys but nobody died. There's a difference between vanillaize and expended, but I wasn't vanilla'd, just used my shot.

You did this on Night 2?

Why did you choose to hold Night 1?

No, this was on night 1. No offense, but when I saw how quickly people were hopping wagons and how no one questioned your read on me, I lost faith in the player list and figured I should shoot while I had the chance. It was half-ass, but Vande mentioned he thought Naerys was town and someone else corroborated so I figured it was as good a shot as any. And no one answered any of the questions I had regarding the wagons they were on, so I just figured fuck it.

????????

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I literally did nothing. 1-shot Bus Driver, swapped Celebloki and Naerys but nobody died. There's a difference between vanillaize and expended, but I wasn't vanilla'd, just used my shot.

You did this on Night 2?

Why did you choose to hold Night 1?

No, this was on night 1. No offense, but when I saw how quickly people were hopping wagons and how no one questioned your read on me, I lost faith in the player list and figured I should shoot while I had the chance. It was half-ass, but Vande mentioned he thought Naerys was town and someone else corroborated so I figured it was as good a shot as any. And no one answered any of the questions I had regarding the wagons they were on, so I just figured fuck it.

I claimed I targeted Naerys Night 1 on Day 2.

This means I targeted Celebloki with my Reporter Action, not Naerys unless Looker is scum.

I feel like this is really sus play by Looker actually. Now the actual clear has the Frail modifier, and a part of me is screaming that Looker wanted things to go this way.

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Is Bloodhound even a real role. Ome would think it would detect blood, aka a killer

It’s a Great Idea role

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Is Bloodhound even a real role. Ome would think it would detect blood, aka a killer

Don’t know why it wouldn’t just be Cop. Could be a flavor for Alien, I guess, but that doesn’t track considering Yessiree flipped Role Cop.

Alien-flavored cop is Conspiracy Theorist, which also is miller for itself
Bloodhound is essentially a Cop-like that can be instated with any groupscum without giving away what the scumteam is

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I was gonna hammer if Celeb didn’t btw

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It doesn’t appear my treestumping was the result of an invention

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Gamma could have been like a Delayed Kill from the night before?

What are you saying here?

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Gamma could have been like a Delayed Kill from the night before?

What are you saying here?

Like a Poisoning-Tree Stump.

Like on Night 2 they targeted you with something.

But like, that would mean the inventor is factional because allowing that as a factional ability defeated the design philosophy of the alignment imo

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Kitty posts

Spoiler:

I still don't really get the Looker case.

I don't think Looker is particularly scummy, but Yess death didn't really clear or even point against him so I wouldn't really oppose a lim there.

I doubt BOTH scum jumped on my wagon at once, that would take colossal balls, doubt it's Roden.

Even if Roden backed away it's still not good optics to naked vote twice in a row like that.

And Yessiree calling out Drew’s voting on Yess as ‘throwing’ feels like scum mad at their partner.

And I can see why Drew felt the need to bus yesterday. It wasn’t without a few chances to try and move the wagon onto a Roden, onto a Naerys.

Naerys thought one of Roden or Drew was scum.
Celebloki also thought one of Roden or Drew was scum. Naerys was a wagon possibility, Celebloki was gifted frail.

Setups for when Roden flips town.

I also specifically had the feeling of someone moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT was scum, and Drew is the one that was front and center in that.

Drew voted me literally just after Yess did.

I'm... wary of voting Drew because of that. Would scum really be so brazen?

Looks good for Roden and Looker.

I also think me being alive here is a good look for Looker considering it was likely for me to push there. I feel scum wanted me to.

And Gamma being Tree Stumped also makes me lean scum wanted Gamma's voice here. Because if not, why not Tree Stump Kitty and straight up kill Gamma.

I think if scum wanted to let me advocate for them they made a mistake. I reconsidered my Roden scumread N2, I can absolutely turn my train of thought around at a moment’s notice. I am like, infamously hard to truly pocket.

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Why is Naerys the vote of choice here?

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Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

That's kinda where I am at with Roden.

And my 1208 was spiced with frustration since I didn't know how to explain my actions and reads more clearly.

I will go with you here

VOTE: Naerys

2 posts by Drew later, they're wanting to vote the one who hard pushed 2 scum to fade 'on principle'

that is not a good trajectory.

This trajectory issue also came up when he wanted to go after you D2

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Why did I get Vanillaised over Drew who claimed an Inno on Gamma, though, is one of the biggest questions.

Drew already explained that part, his role stopped working once he got a guilty

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Oh right, forgot the timeline

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I feel like I would vote Drew because something has just felt off since Day 2. Ngl, I think there’s a timeline where he is a Delayed Treestumper, and targeted me N1.

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I've pushed Looker as scum all game.

Why?

He hasn't given any reasons for why he doesn't think it's me or why he'd prefer Naerys over Drew.

Spoiler: Irony

Looking at the reasons given for voting Wheme, the one I think is the weirdest is Roden's. It's not the only weird one, though.

VOTE: Star

I can't get behind a Wheme wagon yet, he was recently instrumental in a town win in Guns & Roses and I just have to give him a chance here. He just might be an expert mafia player after all.

He does seem like lim bait though, so many there's some opportunists on his wagon.

How can you claim that Star is lim bait when literally nothing has happened yet and I'm pushing their wagon based on the alignment of the stars

Who do you think is looking for town cred? I'll vote them.

Say less

VOTE: Drew

I think you may have been honest and voted your scum buddy for town cred

VOTE: Star

VOTE: Kitty

I feel another soul read coming on

What am I missing about the KittyTack wagon? I don't want to drag the day out if there's a consensus, but I don't see why everyone's jumping on it. Is there some slip that I missed somewhere?

Naerys->Roden->Looker->Drew

Is probably the path i would go on.

If I'm going today, I would say [Naerys/Doctor]->[FL/Vander]

Why is Dan off the table for you?

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Let’s see what happens

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Lmao Flavor fakeclaimed a role that was in the game

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Btw I would like to formally apologize to Roden because I asked the writer of the Procrastinating wiki page about how he’d resolve Yess’ claimed action and he said he would lean towards “no result” meaning Roden was right about the design intent.

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3 scum fades in a row.

And a Page 7 quick fade on Wheme.

But people doubt the quick wagon on a Vanilla

D1 quickwagons win games when you’re around lmfao

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It was really the Alien flip that changed my mind on Roden btw, I think it just clicked that his play was not logical for a Yess scumbuddy for that specific groupscum, although idk how I would have explained it

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That bus driver claim by Looker was kinda tech btw
Denied a clear that was actually legit

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Btw I have a mini normal in the queue rn, I would like if some of y’all joined

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It was a one-shot BD claim

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vrej

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I actually didn’t mind getting stumped because it is honestly fun to play if you’re already somewhat invested