Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

Gonna do a 1-2-3 thing

Nothing is set in stone. Middle isn’t null, just 2. 1 is generally good vibes, 2 is like not bad vibes, but if a few things go one way or another could go either way. 3 is I’m suspicious of and would like to engage in and find more out about to see if they should leave it or not

Elements
Naerys
Celebloki
Roden
Vanderscamp

ActionDan
Gamma Emerald
Doctor Drew

KittyTacky
yessiree
Looker

I will say, all 3 of Tier 2 I instinctively want to bring up to Tier 1, but something holds me back from it. I don’t really expect my Tier 3 to be the entire scum team, could be 1 from each, but I’m feeling kinda good about my tier 3 right now

[Flavor Leaf]

You seem a little too preoccupied about that specifically, when I actively gave other reasons for specifically scum reading your slot separately, like your vote on Kitty and the way it appears like scum joining a wagon.

well initially when i was making a note of your read on RN, you didn't say you were scumreading my individually as well, you said that in my pedit i think

since you think I'm scum bussing kitty, I don't think it's unreasonable to see I could have thought that that was an extension from ur earlier meta read on RN

Oh i know what you thought

There’s nothing wrong with your play, just think it’s scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok sorry I'm not random and spontaneous like FL?

What???

why did you assume I'd drop my scumread on you after I voted kitty?

no one was biting on that read so might as well do something with my vote

I don’t believe I said that
My issue is the way you affirmed it/that you needed to affirm it in the first place
One of my biggest problems with how people argue in this game is they use a lot of “you claim you love pancakes so that must mean you hate waffles” logic, and I feel like you picked up none of that energy and I feel like that’s sus? Am I overanalyzing?

[Looker]

Still waiting on missing players/explanations, but

Gonna do a 1-2-3 thing

Nothing is set in stone. Middle isn’t null, just 2. 1 is generally good vibes, 2 is like not bad vibes, but if a few things go one way or another could go either way. 3 is I’m suspicious of and would like to engage in and find more out about to see if they should leave it or not

Elements
Naerys
Celebloki
Roden
Vanderscamp

ActionDan
Gamma Emerald
Doctor Drew

KittyTacky
yessiree
Looker

I will say, all 3 of Tier 2 I instinctively want to bring up to Tier 1, but something holds me back from it. I don’t really expect my Tier 3 to be the entire scum team, could be 1 from each, but I’m feeling kinda good about my tier 3 right now

Is the key to the list just to vote with you?

Spoiler:

VC 1.05 (Final)

WhemeStar (7):

Vanderscamp, Elements, Doctor Drew, ActionDan, Roden, Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf

Vanderscamp (2):

WhemeStar, KittyTacky

KittyTacky (1):

Looker

Looker (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (2):

Random Nurse, Celebloki

With 13 alive it took 7 people to eliminate WhemeStar.
There are

(expired on 2023-11-22 23:16:36)

left in the deadline.

As always, if my votecounts are off, let me know. I will fix them!

VC 2.02

KittyTacky (5,

E-2

):

Flavor Leaf, Roden, Doctor Drew, yessiree, Elements

Roden (1):

Gamma Emerald

ActionDan (1):

KittyTacky

Not Voting (5):

Vanderscamp, Celebloki, Naerys, Looker, ActionDan

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.
There are (expired on 2023-11-24 13:03:03) left in the deadline.

As always, if my votecounts are off, let me know. I will fix them!

[yessiree]

ok sorry I'm not random and spontaneous like FL?

What???

why did you assume I'd drop my scumread on you after I voted kitty?

no one was biting on that read so might as well do something with my vote

I don’t believe I said that
My issue is the way you affirmed it/that you needed to affirm it in the first place
One of my biggest problems with how people argue in this game is they use a lot of “you claim you love pancakes so that must mean you hate waffles” logic, and I feel like you picked up none of that energy and I feel like that’s sus? Am I overanalyzing?

yeah I can see I kinda made a leap in that assessment, guess I inhaled too much fume from the pancakes vs waffles feud

[KittyTacky]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

hmm, any particular reason you're actively trying this game compared to c9++ we last played?

I wouldn't say you're playing weird here but it deffo seems like you're over-exerting urself a lot more with the readlist

Because I realized I was a getting bit too laid back and decided to put more effort into the game. I don't want to be dead weight.

Power has been out for like 10 hours now, typing this out on mobile.

[KittyTacky]

Goddamn responding to big posts on mobile is a pain in the dick.

I'll try it anyways in like 4 hours if power doesn't come back by then but until then I'll just say I'm not in my "scum meta" I'm just trying harder than usual and it sucks to be sred for that.

[Roden]

Maybe it isn't Kitty

[Roden]

VOTE: yessiree

[Roden]

In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.

And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.

In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.

So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.

I don’t feel like this argument is very good. It feels like you assume Roden would stick to the same general scum gameplan. My gut reaction is “this would be exactly what Roden would want you to sey if he’s scum”.

I would want anyone to claim I'm not in my scum meta, no matter what my alignment is

I do change up the way I play scum depending on the player list, but a low effort "too scummy to be scum" strategy isn't my preference. I've only ever done it once and I hated it.

I'm taking this game easy because I like the vibe, and I feel like it's about to become mech heavy soon. I'm reading the social interactions, but I'm not looking too deep into any of it atm.

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: kitty

Same reason as yesterday, I agree with #258

Dan is also very likely town from #258 even if it is wrong

Wait what? u agree with Dan and think he is wrong

No, I think he's right.

But if he's wrong, I still think it's towny.

[Vanderscamp]

In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.

And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.

In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.

So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.

I'll sheep this read!

[Vanderscamp]

In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.

And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.

In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.

So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.

I don’t feel like this argument is very good. It feels like you assume Roden would stick to the same general scum gameplan. My gut reaction is “this would be exactly what Roden would want you to sey if he’s scum”.

This is way too paranoid IMO

[Flavor Leaf]

Looker Sus.

3 of the people who voted with me are my middle tier

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe it isn't Kitty

Nah it is, but it’s also yessiree

[Vanderscamp]

Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

ok show me where RN is passive or fake aggression this game

They didn’t show up means passive.

I’m okay being wrong with this slot too.

I’m just putting it out there. I’d use more reasons and engage with you further when I’m ready to push you.

I’m just getting my reads out there because y’all gonna night kill me again

This seems towny

[Vanderscamp]

Oh wait I’m a dumbass for some reason I thought Kitty replaced RN
see these wild topic shifts are the fucking death of me. I made a fucking mod error in the last game I ran because of shit like this.

I didn’t expect to get sheeped so hard on Kitty, but I do expect scum hopped on, especially if Kitty is scum.

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

Town RN is aggressive.

Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

Like you shift from talking about kitty to talking about RN, who yessiree replaced, with NO segue. This whiplash could cause lasting neck injuries.

I guess Gamma can't be scum with kitty

Very unlikely

[Vanderscamp]

Maybe it isn't Kitty

How do you get that from the two posts they made just now?

[Roden]

AtE makes me not want to kill people

[Vanderscamp]

AtE makes me not want to kill people

It was a not particularly convincing ATE

[Roden]

Maybe not to you

[KittyTacky]

"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.

[KittyTacky]

Power is back. Responses bold and underlined.

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk

LEAN SCUM

Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural

SCUM

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - still town lead, still townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - still posting a lot but not too spammy, still seems to contribute enough
Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes
(Ele and Drew actually contributed yesterday instead of sitting around and then jumping on me)

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - idk what to think of the push on me, I feel FL can be wrong town but he's brazen as scum
Celebloki, Naerys - idk
Vanderscamp - still bad vibes but hasn't talked today, shouldn't be focus today

LEAN SCUM

Roden, yessiree - jumped on me with no reasoning, not active yesterday. Not omgusing, this would be omgus if yall actually backed up your reads instead of this being a nudist colony for votes

SCUM

ActionDan - "small losses" comment and then asking for reads feels like scum behavior. Like it feels like a fake nonchalantness? Also naked vote put Wheme at E-2

VOTE: ActionDan

So I thought your first readslist was quite bad and this next one is equally so. It deserves to be picked apart.

Looker is not leading town. He certainly is posting but if he were

leading

you might expect say an actual push or perhaps more posts than others neither of which is happening. Why is he so high on your list either D1 or D2?

I meant that it felt like he contributed more than others. Like, his posts seem more high effort. Which I grant may be deepwolfing but to me that's more town than not.

The town lean category seems reserved for those who either "contribute" or have good vibes. I don't put much stock into either but on the surface good vibes would trump contribution, which makes elements position suspect if you're not putting in effort to determine whether element's contributions are towny/scummy/null. Additionally all these people at the time of the D2 readslist are voting you. This "reeks", so why how have they remained there while I (who did not vote you) migrated to scum.

I evaluate things somewhat differently, I suppose. I value contribution quite a lot.

The Vanderscamp read is bad vibes. I want to know why you thought his posting was "erratic" or "unnatural" D1. It was in fact pretty consistent and was one of the few people that had a pretty clear train of thought. Furthermore were I to have had that opinion, I would not so casually toss him into the nulls. To me it looks like his saving grace is that he hasn't voted you today.

Vibes. I read d1 off vibes. I genuinely cannot make actual scumreads off reasoning d1 unless there's something really obvious or the votes really stink. I'm better at scumreading d2.

And now to your vote on me. asking for reads being scum behavior in a vacuum has never been the case. You had put me as "good vibes" after I was 5th vote on D1. Why is this a problem now? And my reasons do exist in a later post, but clearly they weren't worth a mention.

I admit I made a fuckup, I was panicking and thought you were voting me. Sorry. You're not scummier than Roden/yessiree. And the reasons are kind of shallow imo. But I shouldn't have pushed you as hard.

[KittyTacky]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

The worry is that you're LHF if you are town.

But the scum game linked means you are capable of bullshiting (or at least attempting to) as scum. I ought to find a complete town game of yours but in the community redux game I replaced you in, you had better takes in the brief time you existed.

I'm LHF as town like 70% of the time or at least it feels that way.

People who never played with me before tend to run me up.

And yes I bullshit as scum, yes I am capable of lying. But I'm not lying here.

[KittyTacky]

Anyways I agree with vander that 258 is a townie post, Dan goes up to lower null really.