Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

A Role Cop can technically get a guilty on a Mafia Vanillaizer, unless it's a town Vanillaizer, but why would they act? Imo, if it's a town Vanillaizer, we would know by now, because town shouldn't hold that here.

This is one hold up of a Role Cop.


However, Role Cop also synergizes well with a Scum Vanillaizer.

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Oh yeah, this is a scum a slip. I'll let someone else choose why.

[Roden]

Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.

And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.

Idk.

I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.

It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?

it's the combination of the way they shade me, not sheeping me, not thinking im scum, and the low energy defense of why im different than scumFL in a non pocketing way. Plus, the way they presented some of their reads, like you or Drew having scum in them, which I believe I also said earlier, being sort of a mind meld in addition to the movement to their wagon this late.

You just described someone who's positioning themself around you while setting up suspicion on slots to be pushed on future days rather than the current day.

[Flavor Leaf]

damn that sentence.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.

And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.

Idk.

I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.

It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?

it's the combination of the way they shade me, not sheeping me, not thinking im scum, and the low energy defense of why im different than scumFL in a non pocketing way. Plus, the way they presented some of their reads, like you or Drew having scum in them, which I believe I also said earlier, being sort of a mind meld in addition to the movement to their wagon this late.

You just described someone who's positioning themself around you while setting up suspicion on slots to be pushed on future days rather than the current day.

You wanna check and look how your partner just slipped up.

[Doctor Drew]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

had they sent out an action, they wouldn't have gotten a 'No Result' back. No Result is its own type of result.

They just slipped up.

[Flavor Leaf]

sometimes it's better to sit back and let scum talk themselves guilty.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: yessiree
I don’t know what the slip is but I was already leaning towards going back here
I do want the slip clarified at some point tho

[Gamma Emerald]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

had they sent out an action, they wouldn't have gotten a 'No Result' back. No Result is its own type of result.

They just slipped up.

Ah. Yeag I thought the whole deal between yessiree and Roden was weird too wrt Roden confirming yess’s role

[Roden]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... astinating

[Roden]

(The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an investigative action, as usual for failing investigative actions.)

[Flavor Leaf]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

[yessiree]

how is it not throwing when you're limming a claimed role cop when i could get cop cleared instead

yall legitimately game throwing here if you think limming me today is a good idea, i think my role is gonna play a key role later when there are vanillarizer and inventors at play this game

naerys is just gut + off wagon scum

Why do you think there's a Cop with a Role Cop as town + Vanillaized claim.

you're asking my conf biased opinion? sure

it makes sense to me because my role doesn't get activated until a scum flip, so it's less frontloaded town power, or perhaps the cop has similar restrictions

plus the cop can't check modifications from vanillarizer or inventor, but role cop can

pedit: why not? i used my ability for the lols

[Flavor Leaf]

like who knows that lol

[Celebloki]

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

[Doctor Drew]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

[Flavor Leaf]

how is it not throwing when you're limming a claimed role cop when i could get cop cleared instead

yall legitimately game throwing here if you think limming me today is a good idea, i think my role is gonna play a key role later when there are vanillarizer and inventors at play this game

naerys is just gut + off wagon scum

Why do you think there's a Cop with a Role Cop as town + Vanillaized claim.

you're asking my conf biased opinion? sure

it makes sense to me because my role doesn't get activated until a scum flip, so it's less frontloaded town power, or perhaps the cop has similar restrictions

plus the cop can't check modifications from vanillarizer or inventor, but role cop can

pedit: why not? i used my ability for the lols

based on what I've seen, Cop would be more likely on an Inventor role here than having an actual Cop.

Your assumption of it is also kinda weird.

[yessiree]

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

what would I lose by trying it

[Flavor Leaf]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

Yeah, a lot of roles can get a No Result, but the questioning is why would they sent it knowing they can't get a result, and why is it just so perfectly aligned that there is a line in the Personal that specifcially says if ability is used, will still get No Result, and why does Roden know that?

This stanks.

[Gamma Emerald]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... astinating

That page says for games with unknown faction size, it should always be able to act at night. Since it’s modified to be usable after one scum flips, I think that caveat would get taken out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm sorry, I don't get a Role PM, go 'oh, this doesn't work if there isn't at least 1 scum dead' and then go and send an action in.

I think this got Roden/Yessiree gambiting all over it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden's coaching Yessiree imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Neighbor Semi-Procrastinating Role Cop

my action doesn't succeed (no result) when all 3 mafia are still alive during the night

Actually how the fork do you even know there’s 3 mafia?

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden also set up the energy on Naerys.