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In post 16, Alchemist wrote:FYI to all in this game I'm going to be playing completely different than I usually do, part of the reason I wanted to alt. I'm aiming for a more subdued regfan/thor playstyle. Zen-y-ish. Ohmmmmmmmm.
Seems strange (???). Are you trying to switch it up because you are usually very hard to read when you're town? If not, then why? (and why announce it to the world?)
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(I don't know, you tell me?) That wasn't my question.
It seems to me, that the primary objective of town is to be read as town and find scum. Thus, if people have a hard time reading you as town when you're town, you might realize this and change your playstyle so people can read you.(however that may be) If this isn't a problem, the question is why you're doing it (and why you announced to the thread you are "changing things", when you could simply change things internally)
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In post 60, Tammy wrote:@ Spyrex - There's a difference between slimy and bitchy, but you're so awesome at reading me if I believed in self-votes I'd sheep you too.
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I've seen this sort of post come more often from scum than town. I'm talking about a jokey sort of shoulder shrug 'stop voting me' response to someone (in this case SpyreX) asking for their head and the person not really knowing what to do, and thus resorting to humor.-
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It wasn't so much that you did or didn't ask him to stop voting you, its that you responded in such a way that looked like you were more interested in joking and being chummy than anything else. And, if you are town, you should deeply (to some degree) care that another player in the game is voting you, as you would know that that vote is certainly on town.
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@ Tierce Several times now you've made reference to 'derpy'/etc.;
Derpy players alive too late can be dangerous for town.
constant lynch ponies
trying to save derpy players from a lynch.
while not explicitly stating who you are talking about. I expected it would be an easy answer, an easy substitution to help decipher what you're talking about, (like equating a group [SDC] and its members [player x,y,z whoever]), but you didn't provide that. You're clearly talking about someone or some people here (could be anyone, glork, me, katsuki, etc., I don't know what you think) and I see no reason you couldn't expand on that.
You also clearly want to lynch said 'derpy' players as leaving them alive too long could be dangerous, but neither your initial vote is on a policy lynch nor is your follow up, and the fact you consider a subset of players dangerous to the town (hint, potentially against your win con if you are town) and aren't talking about it bears an eyebrow raise.
And as for this quote,
Why do you think me saying who I think is a weak spot in this playerlist would benefit town?
I'm not a big fan of. How do you think clarifying a statement you make benefits scum at all?
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In post 100, SpyreX wrote:Because I'm seeing throwdown into smarm-defense into defensive aggression and that paints a picture I'd like dead, dead, dead.
Are you saying you'd like glork tierce or tammy dead here, because your above quote was from glork and this doesn't seem to make sense.-
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In post 109, SpyreX wrote:The fact that posts thus farin which you place a votemake me want to shoot you in the head disturbs me, but we roll with it.
We're on the same page here re: tammy and uberninja, though I edited your post a little here to my standards.
Dramonic wrote:Ludi is latching onto the oddest things.
In post 69, Magister Ludi wrote:
And, if you are town, you should deeply (to some degree) care that another player in the game is voting you.
You have some experience, don't encourage that kind of BS reaction.
1. What odd things, and are they bad? If so, why?
I try and figure out people's alignments however I can. If you don't think whatever i'm doing comes from scum, i'm not sure why you're mentioning it. If you think it comes from scum, please say so. Using a word like odd feels.... weasely. It allows you to say something without really making a stance.
2. erm, what bs reaction are you talking about.
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huh? Actually, trying to figure out if someone has a particular role in this game is pretty bad considering we know there is some sort of faction,
Vi wrote:*Per Micaiah's plan, you win when one member of your faction is alive and the following roles have been removed from the game.
that needs to figure out certain roles, kill them, and sounds anti-town. Given that these whoevers sounds like bad boys, someone (you) trying to figure out who is what role is much more likely to come from a player aligned with this faction than anyone else. To me, it's almost the definition of a scum tell, which is something that's more likely to come from scum (anti-town) than town.
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To me, the micaiah win condition of eliminating roles looked anti-town. (I'm not the strongest on flavor, but it would seem to make sense)
@ Dram, well, some less deeply than others, but a serious vote and calls for blood on you if you are town should merit something. I do agree that weird pusedo cryptic half claims and the like should probably stop.-
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In case I don't get back for the rest of the day,
In post 226, Alchemist wrote:ludi is bugging me at a gut level, his fingers seem to be in every pie, its like he's trying to be too good - trying to be too town, too relatable. he's being too selective about what he gets involved in
Not really sure of what you're talking about here, or why any of this makes me more likely scum than town who is excited to play a game again. I've tried to comment on what I found important here, ask questions when needed, and so I don't understand where you're going with the 'too selective' line of attack. I'd like at least that explained a little more.-
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Actually,FOS: Alchemisthere, after scanning over his slot again.
A couple of things. Both your votes so far have been half concocted pushes on quilford and myself, where he doesn't give a strong or definite reason why he suspects that player or why anyone else should join him, instead using such words like 'bugging' 'gut' and etc. Now, I find this to be problematic by itself, but when he says in the beggining he has a new calculating meta ;
When they a see a subdued, restrained, and calculating TE posting I want them to know why.
I would expect him to, you know, actually stick to what he was saying and explain his reads.
I bolded the slimey words here;
Alchemist wrote:Quil's recent post isbuggingme because "I didn't even realise I'd done it as scum, ever" feels like a lil white lie. And who exactly were the mafia with Ghostlin in Animal Rescue: petsPick? Because I cant seem to find that info. I wanted to check the validity of Quil's claim because of my aforementionedbugging.
Anyone else think:
Quil wrote:
@Alchemist: It's funny you ask, actually. He's been asking a lot of questions which really drew my eye, and at first I thought he could be scum trying to look involved. But I think the questions demonstrate a deeper level of comprehension than typical scum ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS kind of thing, like ShadowGirl here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21379
Is a bit of aweird and overly-elaborate response? Its like he's going out of his way for Ludi to defend him/paint him in a positive light with aself-supporting premise(shadowgirl link).
Vote: Quilford
ludi isbuggingme at a gut level, his fingers seem to be in every pie, its like he's trying to be too good -trying to be too town, too relatable. he's being tooselectiveabout what he gets involved in.
In addition, which is sort of funny, he accuses me of being selective, but has not himself seriously commented on either of the three large wagons so far, those being UN, Tierce, and Tammy. His one serious looking comment is the throwaway to glork that;
Glork. Your UN vote is bullshit.
It looks like he seriously, seriously, does not want to get his hand tangled up in any of this. I've tried to find, one way or another, how he feels on these three, and I've been unsuccessful other than I think Alchemist thinks UN is town (?)
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In short, selective, fabricated half reasons for votes and fos's (his glork fos also makes no sense), and exceedingly neutral and sometimes non existent confrontation of the happenings of the day. To me, this looks much more likely to come from a scum playerslot so far, than town.-
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Alchemist wrote:@Ludi
You want me to explain my strong gut read on you? lol pedit nice omgus
Um, no. I'm pointing out how the two people you've voted, you've done very underhanded, without really explaining what you're talking about. Note, you didn't just say 'gut'! and leave it at that, you went on to launch some bs reasons, 'trying to look to town', 'too relate-able' that don't really mean anything. It looks like you wanted to put a vote down not on the top three wagons, and then cobbled something or other together that didn't make sense to back it up.
And as for flinging buzzwords around, stop it. You had a post that I took issue with that also included a vote for me, and I'm not going to simply let it slide because you've voted me. OMGUS is bunk in my opinion. If you'd like to point out why my suspicion on you is misplaced, or wrong, i'm all ears, but trying to deflect it away under the cover of what you've done is underhanded. It easily looks like a tactic employed by scum.
Alchemist wrote:So your case is I'm hypocritical and I didn't explain my gut read on you well enough to your liking.
Lolyou'rescum. Nikanor is probably scum too.
Do I really have to go tit-for-tat with Ludi right now? I dont want to.
No, its not what you've distilled it to. My case is my case, I think I was very clear.And can you explain why you think nikanor is scum?Is it because he called you scum, which would be the very same OMGUS that you accused me of two posts ago?
Hindu wrote:Going for the easy lynch to start off discussion is dumb since we're past that point.
Just to clarify, you think all three of the leading wagons at this time were town? It doesn't matter if it is an easy lynch if it is on scum.
Teleporting wrote:Okay UN, you had your chance to explain the vote on Tammy"Town"
Unvote; Vote: UberNinja
I'm holding off on other comments until I've spoken to Pere (#firsthydra)
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Reading through, it first struck me as odd that TSH would withhold comments on most things abritrarily, and then post a sentence pointing out the fact that he is withholding comment.
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Alchemist wrote:The above post by Spyre just feels like a whole lot of chatter and wise-guy backpeddaling, which he is so good at
On the alchemist front, this is a post typical of the problem I have with him. Ok, so you think he is chatting it up. So what? Is he scum because of it? Town? etc.? I don't use fluff often, but this post feels.... without a point.
Spyrex wrote:Yeeeaaa Alchemist is town that aint happenin
what are we missing here?
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I think that Ludi's case against Alchemist is hogwash.
I actually thought It was quite well put together and encapsulates his play here so far, and a few others do as well. I'd like to know what you disagree with.
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In post 317, Tammy wrote:Ludi In the middle of the argument last night, you asked me if I thought Spyrex was scum. Why?
I wanted to know what you thought of the alignment of someone who wanted you lynched. Plus it was a way to get a read out of you at a time you seemed more interested in a 'woe-is-me' path.-
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In post 307, dramonic wrote:Oh.
That's the amount of dead people, it's for the Eternal War mechanic.
Or it's very similar to the giant blue number in the corner of the ETERNAL WAR map in the game that increases everytime someone dies.
Technically once we've killed enough people we're gonna go into total chaos, Ashera is gonna awaken and we're gonna all make peace to go whoop her ass.
But that's probably not what's gonna happen here.
But yeah, it's PROBABLY a corpse counter.
Actually, I thought something similar, but more related to the Micaiah win condition of eliminating certain roles, to at least help us know how many of the 'special roles' scum have eliminated.-
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Not that I'm sold one way or the other on toast's alignment, but to get this straight, you see someone (TT) voting someone else (UN) over something you proclaim as 100% contradictory, and you take issue with the reasoning for a vote? Isn't, generally, someone committing a "100% contradictory" action, worthy of a vote.
Why should a neutral join you on toasty? What about it is optimistic?-
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In post 339, Haze wrote:ML why do you go out of your way to make it clear that you don't lean either way on toasty? Why are you trying to detach yourself from this in some way? Would you vote Toasty?
Probably not right now considering I have a few other people I'm more interested in. I didn't think I especially wen't out of the way or anything, I just gave you my read on him.
Also large amounts of vagueness.
I ask you to take a look at Alchemist than and potentially lay down a vote, if this is a criterion for scum.-
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In post 351, SpyreX wrote:I feel like there's just swaths of the game missing.
I feel the same way, but somewhere within the whirlwind of excitement and etc. I'm having here I forget the game only started yesterdayandseveral people have one or zero postsandwe have 13 pages going.-
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@ TSHI think you are smart enough to know there is a difference here, and no try and twist my words. I take issue when someone says, "x statement is odd", and leaves it at that. For you, I clearly illuminated what I thought was odd with you statement, the fact that you were actively posting nothing for reasons undisclosed, but then also making a point to show everyone... that you weren't posting for reason's undisclosed. It struck me as off, and if you would like to debate that, please do. I would have gone with a slight TSH is scum, but given you only had two posts and I couldn't decide one way or another, I made a point to point it out so I could come back to it later.
+++ You criticize nikanor for 'being overly concerned with appearance', well that's exactly what you're , "we're not posting" thing looked like as well
Wyrd wrote:ML's initial reaction to just FoS Alcheater is pretty scummy and unnecessary. Its pretty forced for so relatively early in a large game to use FoS, but it makes sense as a scum who needs to set-up multiple lynches down the line and is quite happy with is current vote on a juicy mislynch-Tammy (you're wrong SpyreX and Glork and you should feel bad.)
Actually, I use FOs's a lot. At the time of my FOS, I was using my vote on Tammy, and I can't vote two people at the same time. Using a FOS, for one, let other people know I suspect someone else and perhaps makes them examine the person, and lets the person In question know I'm serious.
I don't think it was unnecessary at all. At that time, I had already fos' DDD, and that post on alchemist came on page 10, hardly what I would call 'early'. I took the time to read what he was saying, and decided it was more likely to come from scum than town, and pointed this out.-
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In post 370, Tammy wrote:Okay. What did you learn from my answer?
Well Initially I thought your answer more likely to come from town than scum. Calling someone town when they're attacking you is pretty dangerous because that means you basically have to roll with their attacks on you without trying to slime their character. That's a much easier way to defend an attack, by forcing the status of the attacking player down, then defending against their attacks while stile building their character up.-
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The quote for reference;
TSH wrote:I'm holding off on other comments until I've spoken to Pere (#firsthydra)
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RE: +++ How so? I thought Hydras were meant to discuss things before posting?
What's odd about it? I don't see how the reasons are undisclosed. I disclosed my reasons - see above.
Let's debate.
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Sure, discussing things before posting is one way of playing a hydra (the other, seemingly more genuine one, is to just post your reads and then let your friend come in with his). But, there really isn't even a need to comment on the fact you're not posting until you spoke with your other head. Take the Wyrd hydra. They didn't post until,... well, until they did. They didn't make an interim post that served to say "hi guys! I am here, but not posting! but I am here!!"
It looked like you wanted everyone to "know" you were around, thinking, being a good town, etc. Which I think speaks more to the scum mindset, than town, no?-
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In post 380, Alchemist wrote:Ludi used SPAM
Its super effective!
Alchemist used GUT!
Its not very effective...
Ludi used OMGUS and FAKEVOTE
Its not very effective...
Alchemist used TRUTH
Critical damage!
Ludi used DODGE!
Its not very effective
This is sort of insulting. I haven't spammed anything, I've tried to post and question to figure out people's alignments. None of my votes have been fake or without merit, and i've explained each one. I have several points against you. And i'd like to know which questions I've been dodging. I've answered anything you've asked.
I don't really see this post coming from town trying to figure out my alignment, (or anyone else's alignment in the game either.) You've thrown down a questionable vote (in direct contrast with your opening post promising calculation and reason), posted a whole hell of a lot without saying anything, and have accused me of things which are patently untrue.-
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TSH wrote:@Ludi, no, I don't think it's more scummy to say what I wanted to say when I said it, but hold off on the rest (i.e. townreads, other stuff) until I've talked it through. Scumreads and the like are more time sensitive. If I'd waited until Pere got on, then the stuff that I wanted to say would have been old news, and thus I wouldn't have been able to get what I wanted out of it.
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I think you've misconstrued my point here. I take issue with that fact you a.) didn't post anything, and b.) pointed out you weren't posting anything, as if to excuse yourself. Given that you have since tried to post something #355, without peregrine checking in, your statement of waiting looks even more baloney to me. I never asked you to wait until your other head got in.
At what point after 257 did you begin to think you would have to proceed to posting without consulting your other head (which you explicitly stated you would do)? It is only 18 hours between that and your 355.
Alchemist wrote:you've spammed the thread in your own way.
did I hurt your feelings? are you going to play the wounded soldier now?
If by spam you mean try and figure out who is scum, ask question and comment on what I think is important, then yes I have been doing that.
Uberninja wrote:I don't like the Alchemist votes. They're disingenuous and lazy.
I beg to differ. Why are you calling them disingenuous and lazy? Do you take issue with any other votes so far in the game?
Duplicity wrote:- I think Ludi is scum and from what I gathered Shift agrees, Ludis posts have been very fluff/fillerish with a lot of his questions and focus not really looking as if he's scumhunting but rather just attempting to appear as if he's contributing. His push on Timeater is also terrible and comes across as an OMGUS on a weaker player that's suspecting him.
I've never played with Timeater, I have no idea if he is a weaker player or not, I'm just calling things here as I see them. I think you're off base a little here. I might have asked a few questions only in my first couple of posts, but I've used most of my post since to detail who I think is suspicious, and why.-
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Gamma's 447 is also a pretty good find. I don't think singersinger really knows what she is saying here. She puts down a vote on Tammy, and then a few hours (~15) later seemingly forgets where it is, calls tammy super town, and decides to call SpyreX, who was also on the Tammy wagon, scum, and Magua, scum, (who knows why) but doesn't shift her vote to either of them.-
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In post 457, singersigner wrote:I think you should reread my posts...and then reread what exactly you think doesn't make sense...because it makes perfect sense with any logical deduction of what I meant in the first one, and what I'm telling you in the second one. As soon as Tammy isn't the leading wagon, I'd be willing to switch my vote if you know what I mean.
I don't know what you mean. Are you saying you want Tammy dead but think she is obviously town?-
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Oversoul wrote:I actually prefer to do this as scum for this exact reason.
See my flip flopping but overall mainly calling Hezlucky town in Paranoia Mafia. It buys you needed time and can potentially build connections for after your death for further mislynching.
I'm not trying to discredit what you say here, but I personally don't think this is a good reason to call someone town.
Yeah, anything is possible for scum to do as well as town. But I think it would more likely come from Tammy as town than as scum. Note, Its not the sole reason I would call anyone town, but it does help contribute a little. I don't think Tammy and SpyreX are of the same scum alignment, so a potential tammy scum calling spyrex town just creates a crapload of headaches for the scum team if tammy ever flips, which tammy would probably be aware of.
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Good catch by the way on the blue number going up to two. Also, give me your thoughts on the Speed Hippos that happen to be teleporting!-
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what does mhm mean?
I reread that point in the game to know what I was thinking, as well. Rereading, it should be patently clear what I was thinking. At that point, several people were claiming to be people searching for other roles, (there were two or three I believe) and I reasoned that no scum would be stupid enough to claim that they were scum (by claiming to be looking for roles), and that maybe the role was somehow tied into being town as well.
It was some little time later when someone posted that it is probably the scum win condition, a little conversation ensued, and that made sense to me.-
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I do have the town win condition. What was not clear was whether the second win condition was a third party, was scum, or was also tied into the town as well. At that point in the game you quoted, people were CLAIMING to be searching for other people, and I already explained why this made me question things. Not many games have the potential scum win condition out in the open like that. I think it was perfectly reasonable as per post ~140 in a game I know no flavor to to wonder what the second win condition was about.
(It didn't have to be a single entity, either for the third party. could be something like brotherhood without banners, the hyenas for Llama's game, etc.. A gang group)-
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In post 481, Duplicity wrote:Ludi, Timeater is a player that often drops logic and goes after gut a lot as well as throwing himself into the lime-light, it's something that makes him attacked by scum a lot more because they wrongly consider him as mslynch material which isn't actually the case because he normally town-tells enough at the end of the day to prevent the lynch.And no the amount of real solid information or thoughts to fluff in your ISO is little.
Why are you limiting it to scum? I am town, find his play to be highly weird and scummy for which I've detailed, and have presented reasons why.
And, Can you actually prove the bolded statement above, because I am calling baloney on it. Then, I would like you to show me the multitude of other players who actually fit your standards.
It's trivial now though because I've found your last few posts specifically the talk about win-conditions ... town tells [in regards to oversoul]
This looks manufactured totally. What are you even talking about here.-
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In post 550, Zdenek wrote:Magister Ludi's third party hunting early rings alarm bells.
I'm really low access for the next couple of days, so I can't reply to much. I skimmed last couple pages. But this is a problem. I'm not sure at all what you're talking about here, and this seems to be the main reason you voted me. I was never third party hunting. The only passing mention I had of third party was that the second win condition could have belonged to a third party scum group, (in response to oversoul's circuitous attack) and that the regular scum win condition would hold for the scum. I seriously don't know why so many people are trying to attack me with this. I can't have been the only one confused about whether or not the second win condition was scum, and I sure as hell would not have been confused If I actually was scum and knew what the hell my win condition was.
And what are you talking about with 'early'? That whole discussion happened around page 20.-
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In post 987, implosion wrote:Alchemist's wagon isn't taking off so you vote someone with no votes on them?
Yeah, last time I had really read the game I had a problem with teleporting speed hippos, and I came back, saw no votes on them, isoed them to see if there was anything spectacular there, and lacking that I decided to put a vote down. I think they're definitely a slot that could use a little more heat.
And it is a different kettle of fish. Alchemist has had some heat on him for ~30 pages now, and if people didn't join the wagon it may be a sign that it {the wagon} won't get moved today and I'm not content to waste my vote on a wagon to nowhere'sville.-
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(As for Wyrd and Magua both claiming to be never be scum, If I remember fate was scum in Otters v Tigers etc and Magua was scum in Cylic Experiment Mafia.)
I've read through the preceding pages. A lot of what should have been said,.... has been said. Some stupidity was had in those pages.
As of now, for the GreyICE wagon, despite the fact its stuffed full of town reads of mine, I don't think is a justice wagon. I remember when Grey first posted, I was sitting around at 5-6 votes or something similar, It wouldn't have been hard to hop on and push as scum. Instead he took the time to (I assume) read a little, decide I wasn't to be voted, and go try and figure out who was scum. That struck me as town.
Toast I had down as town for his top three wagon statement etc., I thought there was some weird interplay between them as well, and reading back I thought he handled people attacking him rather well.
And MaguaoI is harder for me to give a solid because they voted me, I'm biased in thinking anyone voting me is scum pushing for a mislynch. Of any wagons with multiple votes, this is the one I would join.
(random side note, I have only hydras voting for me)
I'd still like an Alchemist lynch, but there are for sure people just skimming along that need more attention. Its another reason I like toasty, he's willing to poke at DDD and go *here's somebody*, because he honestly believes there might be scum slipping along in that slot. TSH falls in the same category for myself.-
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More so than anything you particularly wrote, the fact that you were willing to put in effort and believed what you said seemed town to me. Especially since I wasn't too solid on your scumminess to begin with, it helped shake my read a little more. And, there were more interesting people for me to pursue.-
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In post 1125, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 1116, Magister Ludi wrote:Its another reason I like toasty, he's willing to poke at DDD and go *here's somebody*, because he honestly believes there might be scum slipping along in that slot.
You really think it takes any courage to put my name down?
Yes, actually. Considering Toasty is the largest wagon, if he was scum I would easily believe he would hop ship to another large wagon or a more popular lynch wagon. You have no pressure on you, no one really thinks your scum, and its not the most popular wagon to vote. The fact that he is willing to actually poke around and try and find out scum (in this case you), seems pretty pro-town. He isn't just sheeping along.-
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In post 1069, implosion wrote:Don't see maguavotes.
One scumteam makes a lot more sense than two. If there's an SK, they probably have a nonstandard win condition too.
You talked about getting short and to the point in one of your posts, could you do that in explaining what about MoI-scum I, and a few others, are misinterpreting
dddp could be scum too.
And given that you think DDD could be scum, do you think it is likely that hypo toasty-scum decided to go out of his way to bus DDD-scum out of the blue-
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meh, I didn't expect any answer one way or the other, (sorry If you didn't like the question, but I wanted an answer) I just wanted to get where your thinking is at. I don't think it is unreasonable on day one to have a few scum reads, but then if all of them gang vote the same guy maybe you reevaluate your read on that particular player. Things change, etc.-
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I wasn't implying that was the case, I was using a hypothetical to illustrate a point. (which in my mind is the low likelyhood of toasty scum voting dddp scum) Which was that sometimes you don't need a flip to change to base interactions off of.
I think the long and short of what I was trying to do here was say that if you think DDDP is scum, maybe toasty voting him is a town-tell and you could come away slowly from your toasty scum read and vote someone else! I really don't think toasty is scum here, and don't want to see him lynched.-
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In post 1259, MaguaofIllusion wrote:We're voting you because of blatant falsehoods like this.
Erm, neither of those statements was false, what are you talking about?-
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I really reall think Teleporting Speed Hippos is a good lynch for today.
His posts are really empty, they're not accomplishing much in the way of reads or clarity, not attempting to convince anyone of anything, (like trying to convince people to hop on toasty or etc. because they think that particular slot is scum.), and there's not many of them. I already explained why I think toasty is town, and they didn't seem to have a problem with my line of thought, so I'm not sure why they're asking someone ELSE why they think toasty is town. Plus, it looks like they just threw my name in the ring because I've been on them for a while.
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Well I have my vote on Teleporting Speed Hippos without accompaniment right now because I think the constant presence of it is enough to draw attention to the slot, which I think it needs, and provide some thimble of annoyance to the TSH hydra. I'm willing to move my vote, but I don't think at all that my vote is accomplishing nothing right now.-
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In post 1432, MaguaofIllusion wrote:13. Magister Ludi - Scum. Very much strikes me as not wanting to rock the boat, as completely distinct from his town play.
This is part of the problem I've had (with you and others) this game.
What are you talking about, not wanting to rock the boat?
I joined the Tammy wagon maybe second or third, and helped that wagon take off. I helped start the alchemist wagon, and I got that wagon moving. I've defended my town reads, even when it might not have been popular, like defending Toasty and others. I've poked and prodded where viable, trying to get wagons going on people other's seem to be ignoring, like Haze, teleporting speed hippos, and commented critically on others, like singer and nexus. I commented on your slot as well, when they were a myriad of viable wagons on the table.
I've been pretty consistent and clear throughout the game what I'm trying to do here. I think I've dealt well with the people who are calling me scum for all sorts of reasons I can't understand or that make no sense, most of the people who think I am scum have chalked it up to 'gut' 'not playing to potential' 'not rocking the boat'. I don't even know what any of those mean. (I think i've been very patient with alchemist's insistent nonsense towards me) Not rocking the boat? I think i've done plenty to help shape this game, and specifically on this point Magua, I'd like some elucidation on what you mean.
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At this point in the game, we've entered a weird sort of zone that is making it hard to get things done. We have a solid block of players that most people consider town, and where ever they go will probably go a long way to getting a lynch down. We've also got players pseudo feuding, and they lock themselves into voting that is hard for other players to break them out of, for whatever reason. And then we have players who have decided for whatever reason, despite this being a really interesting day, that they are bored, or the day is dragging, or they don't need to post, and so they are lurking by or not posting much.
Combined, it isn't easy to get big liquid wagons going. The MoI wagon has taken a long time coming, and it's only at L-3 or so, and it actually doesn't look like it's going to be a lynch. I'm not as sold on their scumminess as I am on others, but I was willing to vote the wagon on the basis of getting something going and getting some meaningful reactions, and lynching someone who isn't in my null section or above.
If anything, I see this day continuing down this path and then ending in some sort of compromise lynch as people get tired on someone or another (maybe myself actually), because people just want to end the day or are bored or whatever, and I don't want that to happen. I think Teleporting Speed hippos deserves a serious look from everyone. I just thought of Wyrd as well, and if people want to start talking about this slot, I don't think that would be a bad thing. I don't think Implosion is a very good lynch now, but luckily that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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As for MoI, if you want to ask me serious questions and comment about other slots and etc. I'm happy to do that. On the off chance you are town, I know your slot could be a powerful force for the town.-
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I dislike your post greatly, and I will address it in detail.
But first, I ask you, can you substantiate everything you are saying with quotes, especially pertaining to the points you are making here? I am asking you to do this because it will put on the table what you are saying, make it easier to respond, and I think a few of your accusations could go away once you can't back them up.-
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