Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Alchemist]

lol GIconfscum

Vote: GI

Awaiting the calvary.

[Duplicity]

I'd bet on the day-kills either being 1) Randomly determined in an attempt to speed the game up or 2) Done by a third party, vig doesn't make sense there at all as they'd just claim and give us a guarenteed second lynch a day. Also Shmugen scum flip increases the odds that Tammy, MoI, Hind, GreyICE, Toasty and Singer are town. Also increases the odds of Kats being scum. And Oman, he takes no stance on him whatsoever. Oh also TSH is town. Really like their latest reads posts.

Right now I'm;

Strong Town Reads:

MoI, Glork, Alchemist, Tierce, Toasty, Tammy, Gamma, Nikanor, Dana, Hind, DDD, TSH, Singer, GreyICE

Null Reads

: UN, Avening, SpyreX, Dramonic

Scum Reads:

LLD, Ludi, Nexus, Kats, Oman.

PEdit: Hey GreyICE and Alchemsist, stop being fuckwits, you're both town so lets not get into a stupid tunnel on each other.

[SpyreX]

Spoiler: Pandora's Box

1. Alchemist - Other than posting style and lackluster attack on Glork, the biggest thing that stands out here is relative to Tierce. Alchemist, why did you think Tierce was a good shot when people thought Oversoul's vig was real?

2. TSH - Not much here. I note a lack of dropped hippo wisdom yesterday and a declared willingness to debate. The exchange of words with Ludi didn't make Ludi look great.

3. DDDP - I feel a bit of your pain with large themes, but I hope you show up sooner rather than later. Slight townread on DDDP for giving no shits about scum win condition.

4. Dramonic - Flavor does not a townie make, nor does voting Oversoul. There's a healthy difference between scum and anti-town. One you lynch, one you vig. Your 'come and get some' attitude doesn't match your content output.

5. Duplicity - Good stuff, relatively easy to follow logic. Post 402 is almost spot on, though we don't agree on Quilford and a few small points.

6. Gamma - I am frightened by your idea that content is just starting around post 895. Other than the slightly changing reason on why Gamma thinks the Toast wagon is bad, this slot pleases me. A, would read again.

7. Glork - Please don't quit the site. I think little else needs saying about this slot. Anyone thinking Glork scum would require a Glork/Tierce wombocombo scum gambit to make their reasoning work, and then we could declare mafiascum over and move to browner pastures.

8. Haze - Middle of the pack null. This started smelling like Haze revving up the bus for Toasty, but the reasoning became more inquisitive and diggy.

9. Hinduragi - His posts, they are so TINY. Good grilling of Oversoul, don't like the making excuses for Uberninja early on. In post 617, promises ability to do solid gold posting. Get hyped and do it!

10. Implosion

- This ISO promised much, then had post 890 which gave me a bit of hope, and then nothing. See above Hindu advice.

11. Katsuki - I was excited for like a day when I saw you were on the verge of replacing out only to come back at the last minute and crush my dreams. Conviction is noted, but a case would be nice to give your baseless postulations a base. You've said just less than Implosion in more posts.

12. LLD - Not much of a presence since the waning of the Age of TammyNinja and the waxing of the Age of Oversoul. Post deals are crap and should be treated as such. I like the push on UberNinja early though. What's the theory behind withholding reads?

13. Ludi - No content since the end of Age 1. I'm sorely tempted to sheep Duplicity here, but I don't see a lot. Most of the crap in the ISO is Alchemist related.

14. MoI - Townread. Very unafraid to take the ugly, questionable stances/arguments and drag them to the forefront.

15. MathGirl - That's me!

16. Nexus - Ugh. This post and reading took me hours. At least approximate an effort, you lazy git. This is a Vi game, you know not the treat you are in for.

17. Nikanor - Other than the case on Alchemist and a touch of Oversoul defense, all posts/cases revolve around meta. Tierce finds the cat's meta cases somewhat acceptable, and I generally defer to Tierce regarding meta. Nulltown?

I'm getting tired. These will get shorter/shallower.

18. Oman - Kinda gross. Promises to take a bath to remove grossness and post this weekend.

19. Oversoul

- Really gross. Misguided town is putting it lightly, between defending Toasty before Toasty even showed up and thinking he'd be real cool for faking a daykill.

20. Quilford

- Not a fan of the list on page 2 at all, though it did spark discussion. I require more than a list of vague feelings. You will supply them to me.

21. GreyICE - This slot is like the Katsuki slot but with more ideas and attempts to make content. Reasoning for this being a popular wagon is out there, I'm sure, but I may have to piece it together tomorrow. How sure were you the dayvig was fake?

22. Singersinger - This is bad. The Tammy vote is bad, the 'ugh this game is hard sheep Glork' is bad, the 'I'm just not into it' is miserable.
VOTE: Singersinger

A DAY BREAK

23. SpyreX - His answers to the pressure put on him by various sources (UN, MaguaoI) have been satisfactory, but only just. I want to call it clear town, but it's not there enough. Remember when I was talking about LLD and I said I hate vote trade deals? I dislike proxy votes too. Giving up your vote is like putting down your pistol in an Old West duel. Spy is correct that this game needs blood. It's pretty bloated already, I can't imagine how bad it would be if the lurkfolk actually tried.

24. Tammy - The personality irks me when someone flips the raeg switch, but the concepts presented seem solid. The town parts of the ISO that stand out are recent, the analysis of the LLD vote deal with Spy and the acceptance that meta is a thing around here and the effort to go to her old home, dig up all kinds of games and do analysis on them. The earlier parts of the ISO kind of blur together, but I think I understand where the idea of voting Tammy early came from.

25. Tierce - Like you needed an excuse to go drinking, that's most likely the biggest lie you've told this game. (Note. If you are actually an alcoholic, I beg your pardon.) That said, the reaction to the fake dayvig seems natural enough to me, had the rage stopped early I might have thought scum. Town up and down, but I'll agree with Tammy here, meta is useful but the whole 'What would Katsuki do' argument makes me slightly ill. It isn't everything. I want to hear more on why you think MaguaoI is scum.

26. ToastyToast - Much has been said to merit the below vote already. Not only does Toast come in and suspect the 3 wagons at the time with no other reads, he continually goes back and asks how he could possibly have reads on others by page 8. A few of these other reads come through around page 40 turning his initial 3 reads into 9 reads out of 28, 5 of these being null and no mention of previous suspect Tammy. Of these reads, only one is scum and that's DDDP of all people. Really? You're reading this game, the same words I'm reading, and you come back with DDDP.
Unvote, VOTE: ToastyToast

27. UberNinja - *sigh* Crappy attitude, small townlean. I don't think Toasty's initial post was bad enough for scumninja to rev up the bus so soon, mostly. Disinterest level is dildos, cases instead of reflexive outbursts would be nice. Do you still think Tierce is scum after the whole Oversoul thing?

28. Wyrd

- It took this hydra 1000 posts to get the ball rolling, but there begins to be content, hallelujah. Fate, do try to do more than just mock Tierce. The Ludi point by Nuwen early makes some sense to me, as does the Ludi defense of Toasty point. Similar amounts of town as UberNinja but with much more promise.

29. Zdenek - I'm sorry to hear about the family emergency. Your early content was inquisitive and decent, hopefully when you return it will continue. I'm going to go with the nullside of town for stubbornness. Going after Glork's Katsuki thing in the midst of the Oversoul fakevig and Glork's pondering of replacement doesn't feel like scum looking for blood in the water.

Lookin through this now should be eeenterestin

Unvote, Vote: Oman

[Duplicity]

Yeah, that reads list pretty much makes Hind obvtown. Was looking through it a few minutes ago and I don't think he'd mention the exact same advice for 2 scum partners and given on Implosion he said 'See above Hind advice' it's safe to say Hinds town.

[SpyreX]

Its pretty much not a vig but whatevs.

Also that's almost going to be guaranteed a scum PR so it wasn't any kinda doubleback hijinks.

Hindu was town regardless - if Glorks business EVER finishes I can explain that but Hindu is that read I'd take to lylo period.

[Tammy]

Pssst...Spyrex...it was a jar...not a box. Pandora's Jar.

[Duplicity]

Also his "MoI is strong town" to move on to putting MoI to L-2 or L-3 or whatever it was earlier makes MoI obvtown too.

[SpyreX]

Blah blah blah

Duplicity, since you're way more active than I am - wanna do a quick runthrough on how many of them he actually uses the words town or scum in his reads?

[Magister Ludi]

Also Shmugen scum flip

How about the fact Shmugen was steadfast trying to lynch me all of today?

Unvote
Vote: Oman

This is a justice wagon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The theory on withholding reads is:

1) Focusing on 1 person who you strongly believe is scum means that these thoughts are at the forefront of peoples minds. I'm not doing a good job of it because my motivation has become null since the Oman incident.
2) Withholding secret reads allows you to live long enough to see them develop into much more solid reads. I haven't done a good job of this either, since I should have blossomed them by now but like I said :sidetracked:

Basically, I need to set myself back down. UberNinja is still scum, but I had other reads that I stored mentally and never updated them.

[Tammy]

Yeah, both Implosion and Shmug went after Toasty...think that makes Toasty look even better than I thought he did.

And, yeah, I think Ludi's looking better. Though as I said earlier I was getting a scummy town rather than scum vibe from him.

[Magister Ludi]

Holy crap I just realized Shmugen was boss man of the scum squad. cha-ching.

If we can't get oman, or TSH, then I can go nexus or dana. That's where i'm at right now.

[Duplicity]

SpyreX, I'll message Shift to do it, I'm heading of to catch a bus and won't be on for most of today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and I forgot to do this:

Unvote; Vote: Haze

While I work on getting my motivation back, someone remind me to come back to this and explain why this is still a great vote.

[SpyreX]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

[Magister Ludi]

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Haze, UberNinja,

SpyreX,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford,

Gammagooey,

Wyrd,

implosion,

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen,

Hinduragi

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Something that caught my eye, TSH has actually a higher chance of being town. Don't think scum go 1-2-3 on any wagon.

[SpyreX]

Also probably only one more there. Maaybe two but doubtful.

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (15):

Ike
Nexus (L-8) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu, Glork,

GreyICE

GreyICE (L-11) ~ Katsuki, Alchemist
Oman (L-11) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

Magister Ludi

Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Alchemist

Katsuki (L-12) ~ MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-12) ~ GreyICE

dramonic (L-13) ~

Alchemist

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor, singersigner,

SpyreX,

Tierce

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

30

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

I'll take a look at Implosion as soon as possible, probably at lunch.

I think a country claim would be beneficial. There are pros and cons to any plan, but the pros probably outweigh the cons on this one. If MoI has powers related to country, it's likely others do as well. Con wise, if the scum are going after country leaders as theorized, if a leader dies, the scum could ignore everyone else who claimed that country.

If we needed any other reason not to claim countries, this is it.

[Alchemist]

Strong Town Reads: MoI, Glork, Alchemist, Tierce, Toasty, Tammy, Gamma,

Nikanor, Dana, Hind, DDD,

TSH,

Singer, GreyICE

o lawd

[Alchemist]

Ludi what are your thoughts on Haze/Avenging Angel

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, but Nikanor's actually town.

[Alchemist]

Also how the fuck can you have a null read on Spyre, reg

Thats fishy as fuck

[Nikanor]

You'd have to be pretty damned Bad at Mafia to actually think I'm scum this game.

Now back to your regularly scheduled lurking.

[Alchemist]

you're a piece of shit