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I looked back and couldn't find this rule anywhere. Where are your sources?Hoopla wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't understand the healing of players that haven't taken damage yet. Somebody explain?HP caps at 1 above your starting amount. Bumping everyone's HP up by 1 slightly minimises the effectiveness of scum rage points, which makes sense.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Kinetic's is unbelievably anti-town.
Starting from 3 weeks from this post, we should always have healers on the ready in case of a massive rage dump.Kinetic wrote:
I disagree with this. I think we need to Mass fire so we learn exactly who and how many people are on the "wagon" so to speak. The way this game is set up your "vote" is refreshed every day or so, and as such a small group can kill someone rather quickly.Nuwen wrote:If we do choose to focus fire, I think we should avoid mass-firing in a short time and always have a heal cooldown ready for a rage damage dump.
This is unbelievably stupid.Kinetic wrote:Perhaps we should make another rule of sorts, Once you harm someone, for the time being, you do not harm them again. I'm trying to think of a way of wording it, but this system is very unique.
Trying to force-stall a game again.Kinetic wrote: Basically I want to avoid a small group leading all the lynches. I want as many opinions on the kills as possible before someone dies.
Wow!! NO! We don't ask for claims in a game like this, we rape the scum like thunder before they realize what hit them.Kinetic wrote: Also, since the Smallest life pool total is 7, we should never try to hurt someone past that threshold without letting them claim at the very least. It also gives us a little buffer in case they have more HP that 7 and scum try and secret kill them.
I reiterate: no waiting for claims!
Kinetic is trying to stall the game AGAIN. That's 3 times now. After we've all capped off at our maximum hp, we should kill Kinetic right off the bat.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Kinetic, please.
This is a nightless game and the rage mechanic makes perfect sense. The hypothetical mechanics that you suggest here are incredibly broken in favor of town. The only constant factor in this game is total post count and time. I doubt that the more we post, the more we are punished for it, so the only mechanic left is time. The rage theory fits perfectly into a game like this.Kinetic wrote:Stop it now. Explain yourself. Why are my ideas stupid but yours are perfect? How do we even KNOW there is a rage like mechanic in this game like the last one? Hell I can think of 3 or 4 different mechanics which are similar but work on different principals other than time (such as, 1 rage every time someone is killed, or 1 rage every time one of them is harmed, etc etc)
This is a severely misguided, naive and contrived position. Anyone here can heal another player; if they oppose a lynch, they can directly oppose it by themselves without the help of any "rule".Kinetic wrote:I am for mass movements of kills, in a short time frame, but from multiple players, once we've decided among ourselves on a kill.
You are, again, trying to take advantage of future indecisive players. Don't you know how difficult it is to gain a consensus, especially with 5-7 scum counter-acting us? Stop trying to stall the game. If someone doesn't have an input, we carry on and kill off the scummy player without them. We don't have all day to wait for sporadically active players to weigh in.
Vote: Kinetic
Thanks for volunteering to keep the vote count populartajo. Should this system collapse, however, we should carry out our mission of purging the scum from heaven with simple, old-fashionedpain.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The last game had 7 players, and the one before that had 12. 3 scumbags is a standard number for a 12 player setup. This game has 20 players, so 4-6 should be on the mark.Hoopla wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote: You are, again, trying to take advantage of future indecisive players. Don't you know how difficult it is to gain a consensus,especially with 5-7 scum counter-acting us?Stop trying to stall the game. If someone doesn't have an input, we carry on and kill off the scummy player without them. We don't have all day to wait for sporadically active players to weigh in.ABR, I think you're being particularly harsh considering how early we are in game. Discussing our options and the possibilities of the game isn't a bad thing - infact we'd probably stupid not too. I think most of us don't really know what to expect yet, or the ideal approach - don't create arguments just for the sake of it.
The last game only had 3 scum, and they happened to win convincingly, I don't think 5-7 is a reasonable figure.
I am not creating arguments where there are none. I am singling out Kinetic for his continued support of anti-town measures.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Hoopla, will you vote Kinetic?
Its important to me that you bring up any hang-ups, hesitations, or objections with us, so we can figure this whole thing out - and move away from setup discussion towards scumhunting Kinetic and his buddies.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yes, and it would be my pleasure to. I loved Kinetic's first content post, but from then on, he has been consistently pushing a pro-scum agenda in the form of two "rules" that he feels the town should obey. I will enumerate these rules:Hoopla wrote:Can you summarise why exactly Kinetic is scum?
A rule that blocks a townie's ability to hurt the same player consecutively after his refreshment period. The reason this is scummy is because it would most likely lead said townie to hurt someoneKinetic wrote:Perhaps we should make another rule of sorts, Once you harm someone, for the time being, you do not harm them again. I'm trying to think of a way of wording it, but this system is very unique.else, spreading the damage and advantaging scum. Inherently, Kinetic wants to limit the town (read: screw the town over) by limiting its power and giving the scum more time to organize themselves. Remember, this being a nightless game, the scum are freely able to daytalk. They are coordinating their moves as we speak in their quicktopic thread.
A rule that freezes the game once someone is at 6 damage for a claim. This is super anti-town since the mafia can claim whatever they want and the town is in no position to counter-claim since there are multiples of the same roles. He should know better than this, Kinetic wasn't born yesterday. Which means that he faked not knowing, so he could milk this pro-scum policy.Kinetic wrote: Also, since the Smallest life pool total is 7, we should never try to hurt someone past that threshold without letting them claim at the very least. It also gives us a little buffer in case they have more HP that 7 and scum try and secret kill them.
Here are another series of posts I'm not too fond of:
Downplaying the danger of scum, without actually making any points.Kinetic wrote:While the scum are saving points, they aren't using them, which makes them useless until actually used.
Downplaying the scum -without any evidence- again.Kinetic wrote:It does mean that they can dump, and effectively night kill with such a dump, but these rules highly favor the town, not the scum.
Trying to stall the game - again.Kinetic wrote:I want as many opinions on the kills as possible before someone dies.
His going crazy as soon as we caught his hand in the cookie jar. Kinetic probably expected us to debate his rules back and forth for pages on end, wasting precious scumhunting time. Look how flustered he is. And notice how I never attacked his person or called him stupid, either.Kinetic wrote:-.- Got it. You realize I HATE being called stupid right?
Stop it now. Explain yourself. Why are my ideas stupid but yours are perfect? How do we even KNOW there is a rage like mechanic in this game like the last one? Hell I can think of 3 or 4 different mechanics which are similar but work on different principals other than time (such as, 1 rage every time someone is killed, or 1 rage every time one of them is harmed, etc etc)
I want to gain as much information as possible from kills.
Tell me, HOW IS THAT UNBELIEVIBLY STUPID OMG< LOL HAHAHA HAHAHA AH HAHA HA HAH AQH REAHGEAGHN AERG $#QTG$#GF AWERGFR.
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I think this, by Kinetic's own admission, admirably describes how he plans to play the rest of this game: sluggishly, unproductively, and showing an absolute incapability of making any sort of decision within a reasonable timeframe.Kinetic wrote:This is the way I am. I think, I reason, and I discuss. It is how I play and it is how I win. The mind cannot be rushed and I will not be hasty in my decision making.
He is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a liability to this town.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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How hypocritical. Why are you taking it out on copter, but not DGB?vIQleS wrote:I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.
If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...
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Let me help you with that by directing you here. Nowhere have I defended copter.vIQleS wrote:Why are you defending roflcopter?
You have deserved my second vote.
Vote: vIQleSGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Listen up, angels:
There is no crew. There is no clique. There is scum. And there's the rest of us.
We arenotdivided in terms of who we trust, or who we suspect. Get it together and look beyond your petty dramas if you want to win this.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I like your 148, Kinetic.
Call intent to hurt vIQleS
By now Kin, you must realize that the grand majority of my case against you constitutes of trying to stall the game and not being able to come to a swift decision. You have but to support me in killing this vIQleS player whom you also suspect, and you tear the whole case down, providing you also act in a coherent manner afterwards. I await your response.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's my M.O.q21 wrote:Really don't like this. Its scummy and manipulative.
Check out Friends and Enemieswhere I prevented a mason getting killed night 1, and got two scum lynched up until my own unfortunate demise. All this by outing my own mason partner and threatening the town to reveal the third if they didn't lynch who I wanted (scum).
Or Final Fantasy Mafia,where I fake-counter-claimed a daycop fakeclaim by a vanilla townie. I successfully got this townie lynched before he could get another vanilla townie lynched, and then get himself lynched because the person he claimed was scum, was in fact town. I went on to kill the real scum day 2.
Or again, in Fire Emblem Mafia, where I manipulated a player that had the ability to give a 1-shot vig into giving it to me, because I wanted the scum to kill me that night so I could activate my ability as a death motivator. I also got 2 of the scum this way (by figuring out how the scum would react to my pulling of the strings).
Point being,I play a complicated game. Mafia is a game of manipulation after all.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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If Kinetic shows himself to be a fast thinker and capable of moving things, then I have no reason to hurt him. Its really simple and you are awfully reaching.Hoopla wrote:Where are the games where these gambits have backfired? The point being, if you're capable of such manipulation and desire to run the game yourselfas town- when you have the same information as us, what are you capable of doing as scum? You seem to think that people should blindly trust you because you have higher plans, when the reality is, playing an unnecessarily complicated games will just cast doubt in the town's mind.
You don't need to lie, or have second agendas as town. You're just muddying the water, which although you may think is genius because it gets reactions and reads or whatever - but trying to run the gameon D1when you're nowhere even close to having pure intentions is ridiculously anti-town.
- The town would be better off without you, sorry.
Unvote, Vote: ABR
Can you link me to your last few scum games as well?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You play your game, I play mine. Unless you can show how my actions are bad for the town inq21 wrote:Mafia is a game of discussion. Its only a game of manipulation if you're scum. How many times have you been successfully manipulative as scum? How many times have you been unsuccessfully manipulative as town?thisgame, you have nothing on me.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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AS PER THE FONZ STIPULATION, EVERYONE SHOULD VOICE THEIR INTENT TO KILL ONE OF THESE THREE PLAYERS:
Shinnen_no_Me / Xylthixlm / vIQleS
Since they were the only ones to be nominated, its time to destroy one of these three players.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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They are relevant to show you the extreme things that I have done.
Its very simple.
If I think a player is a liability because he can't do something, and then he does it, it proves to me that he is no longer a liability. What's so scummy about that q21?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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These are my latest completed games:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
Won here, didn't do anything special.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... t=#1347649
Lost here, didn't do anything special.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... illuminati
Lost here, didn't do anything special.
Etc. etc.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Kinetic suspects someone.q21 wrote:Your post seemed much more about getting kinetic to do what you wanted and a much less about him proving himself not to be a liability.
I suspect that someone too.
I want him to commit to that suspicion.
Where is it that I'm making him do something against his will? He said he would conduct his decisions in a timely fashion. I want to see him put these words into actions.
Where do you see anything scummy??
Well you seem awfully unsure, because this is our convention:q21 wrote:
At the moment, Hoopla, hence my 'vote' being on her.Albert B. Rampage wrote:q21, who do you find most suspicious?
If you want to add anyone to that list, you may promptly do so.The Fonz wrote:I suggest to avoid the general lowering of health, we use a system where someone needs to gain the pledged support of at least one other player (committing to hurting them if you do) before doing any hurting. Something like this:
Call intent to hurt *Name*
Then someone else needs to post
I'm with you, *Name!*
I would also propose not healing anyone outside of the start-of-day mass heals, UNLESS they are hurt in contravention of the above.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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***cue music***
Darkness immediately falls as the Angel of Rampage rises into the black sky. The elevated figure materializes his giant Scythe of Blood into his right fist. He holds it high like a trophy of God.
'Neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet!'
And the angel dives. As the forceful winds of heaven scurry uncontrollably in all directions, the Scythe of Blood comes crashing down on Shinnen.
Hurt ShinnenGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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What do you think of Nuwen, Hoopla and DGB?Shinnen_no_Me wrote:
It's not a serious comment. I just wanted to point out with that, that what rofl is doing is not pro-town at all. In fact, for me is totally anti-town. And I just wanted the others to see it (because, for some bizarre reason, usually my arguments against rofl are left unread).Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Is this a serious comment?Shinnen_no_Me wrote:Scumgroup: rofl, tajo, xyl, abr.
I don't want to play rofl's game. It's childish and anti-town as it can be. I prefer discussion and scumhunting, unlike him, who prefers buddy groups and easy mislynches.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Will you back a hoopla hurt?q21 wrote:Fair enough, I'll back Xyl above any of the other two unless, as you mentioned, someone backs my intent in the very near future. If they don't I will simply pursue Zwet in the next aeon.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The Fonz wrote:
MASSIVELY ANTITOWN SOMEONE CALL A HURT ON HIM PLEASE.Hoopla wrote:I'll heal, we need to stop hurting until we select a kill.
Heal: Kineticroflcopter wrote:right, hoopla dies right after kineticDrippingGoofball wrote:
I'd kinda put hoopla before kinetic after the last few posts.roflcopter wrote:right, hoopla dies right after kineticq21 wrote:
Yes. But my own hurt is hereby directed at zwet.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Will you back a hoopla hurt?q21 wrote:Fair enough, I'll back Xyl above any of the other two unless, as you mentioned, someone backs my intent in the very near future. If they don't I will simply pursue Zwet in the next aeon.Hurt Hoopla
Hoopla don't hurt me back unless you get support from at least 4 players to do so. Anything else would be extremely anti-town.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Is this the totality of the case against zwet?q21 wrote:
Complaining about the pace of play being to fast when fast play is exactly what the town needs. Scummy.zwetschenwasser wrote:IMO, this game is exploding too fast. I can barely keep up with it.
Hasn't made a post longer than two lines so far this game. Scummy.
Extra scummy considering all you've ever posted is one liners with a smattering of two liners.zwetschenwasser wrote:Hurt: XylHe's relegated to posting one-liners in an attempt to look townier.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I don't give a fuck.Xylthixlm wrote:It's not the specifics, it's the fact that we now have five injured people.
zwet case --> too light.
ward case --> non-existent.
shinen case --> no one is backing it except me and Fonz
Xyl case --> non-existent
None of these are good options. Therefore I'm going to hurt someone who
1) I think is scum and
2) has decent support.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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If you're pro-town, I suggest you read her posts in isolation and come up with your own conclusion. You might or might not agree with me, but at least you would have done your homework. No offense.Seraphim wrote:I could support a Hoopla hurt if someone could point out the case to me. I don't fully understand it.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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All I've seen you doing this game is agree or disagree with someone else's analysis/PbPa. I want you to do your own definitive, independent analysis on at least hoopla whom you are curious about.Seraphim wrote:I've been doing that a lot lately in this game. I can see that there's a lot of support for it and not all of it can be scum-support, so there's definitely weight to the case. The problem is I'm not sure what the exact case is.
And I take no offense. I've had people say a lot worse to me about my playstyle.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Xy, you need a better case on Walt than this:
Indulge me and find a better reason to hurt please.Xylthixlm wrote:
This is the only opinion about towniness/scumminess in the above post that was not hedged.WaltWishbone wrote:I agree with Hoopla, the whole discussion between ABR and Kinetic, came across as a difference of opinions in strategy between two Townies. I don't think either look scummy at this point, just at odds.
Scummy and noncommittal indeed.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Um no. That quote is saying how if you kill off the townies, the scum don't have to.Xylthixlm wrote:
That's it right there, folks. "You're scum because you're attacking me and I'm town". A complete, 100% OMGUS attack.WaltWishbone wrote:...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Wrong, DGB doesn't want to have anything to do with attacking you, yet she's in the "group" that rofl made up.Shinnen_no_Me wrote:I still want to hear what's the case against me. As I said before, the only reason I'm getting attacked is because I disagree with rofl's scum grouping. And, oh surprise, all players that are attacking me are in that group! Coincidence? No. Most likely they're trying to kill me for opening my mouth and pointing out they're true intentions.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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- Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico