NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[MC Maraca]

Nacho missing it even though I was overly obvious about it in several different posts is what gives me shivers about him.

[MC Maraca]

Nacho missing it even though I was overly obvious about it in several different posts is what gives me shivers about him.

Especially given how MAJOR it was as a part of the victory in said xenogears game.

[MC Maraca]

You think Nacho caught it and hid the fact that he caught it?

I'll let him answer that first.

[MC Maraca]

Damn it Cabd. You keep doing these dumb things that don't make any sense and you're always lying. Why do I keep believing you? I'm so easy to troll.

Because they're a GREAT way to get out of RVS/early content-free gamestates?

Bonus points for me adding wifom and asking you if you're so sure it is a lie? Extra credit maybe?

[MC Maraca]

and GM is once again scum.

I am townreading her regardless of my little antics; though. Explain your scumread thar?

[MC Maraca]

You people are killing me. Seriously. Years off my life.

I undermean what you stand man. I really do.

[MC Maraca]

I sure do miss having a vig kill, though.

p-edit: jesus shut up sc

I'll use my inventor role and send you a oneshot vig tonight don't worry babe.

[MC Maraca]

Nacho, what did you do? why is C calling you guys scum?

[MC Maraca]

Yeah not liking varsoon at all this morning.

p-edit: hai mara

p-pedit: ffery, when are you gonna actually do followup work on my reads list and where yours differs?

[MC Maraca]

Casso.

? You just gave me flak for having him in my scumreads?

[MC Maraca]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

[MC Maraca]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

Mac's been gone for awhile now. D:

I was more concerned about your reads-list as a whole.

-V

News to me. His posting everywhere else on site says otherwise. Try again.

[MC Maraca]

But by all means varsoon, tell me what you'd change in those reads. All of them. Go ahead and make your own list.

[MC Maraca]

Well it's either you do or I scratch the itch on my trigger finger and vote for you, but hey; your pick; soon

[MC Maraca]

Wait, do you want me to make my own reads-list, or tell you what I think is wrong with yours, or... what?

E: all of the above

[MC Maraca]

Feed yourself a knuckle sandwitch and answer my posts properly.

[MC Maraca]

Because "your reads are just consensus" is a cop-out.

Get off your ass and tell us where you stand on everyone.

[MC Maraca]

I'm sure empire would appreciate that, too, varsoon.

[MC Maraca]

Go get your goddamn pizza or whatever and give us a reads list.

[MC Maraca]

Mafia is srs bsns in a player list like this. Step up or go home, son.

[MC Maraca]

Tammy - Who the fuck is Tammy?

Clearly you haven't read the same thread as the rest of us.

[MC Maraca]

Reading Tammy's ISO, it's pretty meh-category.

...

[MC Maraca]

Nah I think I'm gonna ellipses you AND vote you.

[MC Maraca]

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

Unless I'm crazy and really, really suck at telling you two apart, this is a lie. At the point of when this post was made there were at least 5 made by you

though, I am kinda sad that you were unable to tell that I'm the one who asked for your application. not C.

You didn't catch the crumb?

it was pretty blatant Imo and enough so that I think that you would have been able to catch it, easily. Not something I expect from Thor because, while he's smart he isn't the best at reading between the lines.

Though, Thor lying about who you are when asked will prolly through a good amount of town into a huge state of confusion.

[MC Maraca]

I do need to admit, though, that I'm not exactly seeing eye to eye with Cabd RE you guys and I want that fixed, asap.

Generic, You can't expect Nacho and Thor to play as a single identity as well as try to call them out as their individual heads. it isn't fair to them, and it is pretty damn obvious who is who when you know the people in quesiton

[MC Maraca]

HOld on, I'm catching up

but, for the time being my reads are the town-ones that I had posted a while back.

[MC Maraca]

DOMO,

Welcome to my townbloc.

I want to know more about this

[MC Maraca]

I think they saw me enter this game confident and happy, which only means one thing for my alignment, and decided to knock me out of my comfort zone, that way noone will listen to my reads because I'm the emotional girl who got frustrated and cussed people out.

If you really think this, then you really don't know much about my town game, or scum game. Knocking you out of your comfort zone was something I had wanted to do, but not for the reasons you stated.

[MC Maraca]

Oh fuck no I am not sitting idly by while you two have a slapfight again.

Tammy, we're townreading you, leave it at that, bitch at me postgame if you must.

Mara, just drop it.

[MC Maraca]

My Nero town-read is coming from meta and my understanding of his mindset. I also like Gif's response to me wanting their slot and Generic from fighting. actually, I love it.

It's a little weird that GIF was able to leash Nero fairly fast, but Nero's suspicions and reasons (or lack of) behind it is something I would expect from Nero-town, and nothing at all like what Nero-scum would do.

Pedit: :/

[MC Maraca]

I'm pretty under control.

that break has done wonders

[MC Maraca]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

[MC Maraca]

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty blind at the moment.

[MC Maraca]

Uprade Copter to town, maybe.

Wait what.

I think Roflcopter is probably town.

[MC Maraca]

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as Smurf though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

Serious question; do you think and/or have ever seen Tammy fake emotions as scum? Because Nacho is acting like that's writ in the stars, and you seem flakey on it, so one of you is talking out your backside as far as the read goes. So whassup with this? She is either emotive and thus gawd town, or she is emotive and able to fake it in which case I'd like one of the meta crowd to slap Nacho in the face with a rolled up newspaper.

I read up from page 70. It all seems quite boring.

We should have lynched someone thirty pages ago.

Nacho and I are still arguing about BBQ (shock, guess which side of the equation Nach is falling on) but he hasn't hard ixnayed me on that one like with Tammy or GM (for some fething reason).

Both of us still agree Stuffed Crust looks town. Looking at Page 70 or so, I still see that like it's coming through pretty clear, so what is this wagon on him about? Is it a brilliant case I'm just missing or what?

Muffin's entrance is weak but slightly townish.

I'm left really 'meh' here, and bored. Have we even managed a single L-1 wagon yet?

Have I seen Tammy Fake emotion as scum to this level?

no, but I do think that she has used real emotion before that didn't have to do with the game-state to get me disarmed enough to not want to follow up on an initial attack on her. I replaced end-game (and altslipped) as pinksmoke

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28682

[MC Maraca]

or, it wasn't an attack

but I asked her about stuff in thread, wanted her opinion, asked her where she went and her response to it wasn't something I didn't expect and I didn't know what to do with it

[MC Maraca]

I do need to admit, though, that I'm not exactly seeing eye to eye with Cabd RE you guys and I want that fixed, asap.

Generic, You can't expect Nacho and Thor to play as a single identity as well as try to call them out as their individual heads. it isn't fair to them, and it is pretty damn obvious who is who when you know the people in quesiton

If this is mara you disappoint me.

I can expect a hydra to be treated as a single entity when evaluating the slot, and I can still address a head within it to make a connection or read through prior interaction.

That's perfectly fair since they share an alignment, and if they are scum will be prone to the same general scum tells and with the added advantage that I might hope to see a specific tell within nachos posts.

But I can't tell them apart. It's as simple as that. So what I am seeing is someone within the hydra, possibly both, being rather evasive, defensive and generalising. There is a feel of disconnection which if any of it is nacho is unlike him. He tends to engage a lot more with people and there is this sir of someone skirting around the edge at all times.
One more thing I'm going to look at before I make any further decisions on this.

that was obviously me. I referred to my partner in 3rd person :/

but, if you can't tell them apart it means that you don't know nacho as well as you think you do. You've hydra'd enough to know (at least I think to know) that a persons play changes with their partner (assuming they are decent with being in hydra)

Where I'm standing, the Nacho posts look perfectly fine but by associating everything to Nacho and not taking in account to Thor's play and style isn't fair because that slot isn't just Nacho

[MC Maraca]

and I have seen towncho be super evasive and cagey. He was like that in a game we hydra'd in, I think.


RE: Copter, I somehow doubt that he would enter the game with a "No, wait! don't replace me" shortly followed by a "I would be happy to lynch anyone with over 100 posts".

The latter, specifically, doesn't have much scum intention behind it while there are quite a few reasons for town to say it.

Pedit: that wasn't addressed to you, domo :/

[MC Maraca]

and this is all Mara.

[MC Maraca]

It was a continuation of my response to Thor.

[MC Maraca]

nope, Thor.

He asked for my take on Tammy wrt emotion

[MC Maraca]

Pie?

sure, I don't mind our vote being there but I'd have to talk with Cabd RE him. He might still have that town-read and I want to know why

Desp?
nope, I don't want desperado.

[MC Maraca]

utter bullshit

explain why it would be fair to both heads, to exclude Thor from your read on their hydra, then.

[MC Maraca]

Nacho, can we make a truce until day 3? Best friends: neither of us suspects the other until day 3, we don't kill each other until day 3 if scum (or at least fight hard for an alternate kill if they really want to kill our slots that badly), we don't play dirty with power roles until day 3. I think it will be most to our benefit if we are both town, but if one of us is scum, I think it will work to the townie's benefit. Do you agree?

I accept!

F-0 is scum too.

Casso and I agree that your push here was pretty sad. It saddens me because your reaction to it is the complete opposite to my reaction, and it saddens my lovely bearded partner because you didn't drop your RVS push for something better when you found it.

Nope. I only have a tablet.

You're scum doing this with only your best intentions in mind. It's anti-town. You need rope, but I'm already voting my other scum-read.

How is it antitown? The plan essentially gives him three days freedom as scum. This freedom is also time that I'm left alive to rampage all over the scumteam in typical Nacho fashion when he could instead just dodge me for a day and kill me in a night. He has also demonstrated the capacity to read me pretty fucking well based on the past few times we've played together, so it makes sense he would want to buy extra time to figure me out (considering he tends to be a kill priority for scum-Nacho).

Calm your horses generic, still reading.

Just to let everyone know this game is a town win.

I was hoping you drew scum

Brian Skies is town.
geists is town.
F16 is town.
Generic is town.

Discuss.

Why geists and Brian town at this point?

Thor liked MC's opening but it wasn't actually that great.

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secret^tm prize.

I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!

VOTE: casso king of the seals

Two quote stripers is not better than one:(

He was probably looking forward to seeing your emotional breakdown in the scum QT when I nailed the hell out of you, then had his hopes dashed when he saw you rolled town. I told him to give you scum regardless of what the numbers said but empires a better man than I am I guess

vote tammy

Because she hates me.

How many times do I have to tell you I don't hate you.

I've gotten aggravated with you, but if you can find one person on this site I haven't gotten aggravated with, I'll bake you cookies. ( that kinda makes me feel like a bitch saying that actually when I'm just really a fucking sweetheart who has a tendency to get a tad emotional)

You've never been even mildly aggravated with me!

Oh wait wait wait golden quote from hydra QT (paraphrased, of course): "Tammy vote on us is probably just because she wants attention". This is going to be an amazing game.

pedit3: Ceph, don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you.

Maybe I can do that. We'll see.

This is also my shtick

Oh hell you drew scum.

VOTE: Casso

Nope!

Where are my off notes?

Oh boy, Ms Marangal has arrived.

How long will it take her to stop voting me this time?

Maybe, if you learned how to make yourself Obv town, I wouldn't be voting you!

If I ever obvtown this early, I'm probably scum.

It's like you forget about the past every time I start another game with you.

This felt town.

Where are my off notes?

Your focus on Brian.

What about it?

I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.

Specifically I'm seeing parallels with how in Buzzword you jumped on the weakness in orcinus' entrance and encouraged/supported others' reads. At least with orcinus it was a genuinely off entrance. Brian's initial posts almost always look strained and uncomfortable.

I don't think Brian has a tendency to look weak early game. I thought there was clear motivation in F-16s opening to stay alive to sort out Nacho-scum, and I thought that it was strange Brian immediately attacked that, especially considering the mentor mentee game that recently ended which proves F-16 can read me pretty competently.

I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.

You actually need mara's posts to read them?

Yes? Cabd forming a town block with himself in the center early game doesn't exactly seem like something that's unlikely to be coming from Cabd-scum. Why do you disagree?

I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?

Cabd, my application to the town block will come in two parts.

1. Ffery. Let's make the same deal that F-16 and I made, minus the suspecting part.

2. VOTE: Pitoli

Brian Skies is town.
geists is town.
F16 is town.
Generic is town.

Discuss.

Why geists and Brian town at this point?

I think I've since explained this adequately, but why didn't you ask me why I thought Generic was town? I have not explained that adequately to date, and in fact it was so weak that I no longer feel that way.

I asked you about geists because normally ffery paranoia is your thing.
I asked you about Brian because the read required him not picking up on F-16 town, which seemed strange.
I didn't ask you about Generic town because your answer wouldn't figure into my read on him much/help me out with my read on you at all, but I probably should have. Why generic town and why don't you feel that way anymore?

I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?

I think Bro reads deserve caution, but I dunno. Maybe I'm seeing stuff you aren't, or vice versa. With town-Nacho, you're usually ahead of me on reads.

I still think BRO deserves caution, but his "meh I fucking suck at large games" seemed a lot more honest than any BROscum play that I've seen. It's more about what he's not doing than what he is doing!

Specifically I'm seeing parallels with how in Buzzword you jumped on the weakness in orcinus' entrance and encouraged/supported others' reads. At least with orcinus it was a genuinely off entrance. Brian's initial posts almost always look strained and uncomfortable.

I don't think Brian has a tendency to look weak early game. I thought there was clear motivation in F-16s opening to stay alive to sort out Nacho-scum, and I thought that it was strange Brian immediately attacked that, especially considering the mentor mentee game that recently ended which proves F-16 can read me pretty competently.

And didn't you get some questions about the original offer in the hunterxhunterx game?

I didn't question it in thread, but I damn sure got buldermar's take on it in our hydra discussions.

Probably. But I'm assuming the people who questioned me were simply bad at gambits; I would expect Brian to see exactly where F-16 was coming from.

And note: Brian didn't question, he attacked.

1. Ffery. Let's make the same deal that F-16 and I made, minus the suspecting part.

These deals are just really, really odd.

What's odd about them?

Swapping into Thor translation for a little while, got to go soon. If you want to discuss today, discuss quickly.

The big push Thor wants is good morning. He thinks that needing to ISO to get reads sucks, especially since it was less than 24 hours from when the thread first opened. The rest of posts were a bunch of nothing. I mostly agree with this read, but found pitoli posting a little more interesting, considering good morning has slow starts and pitoli has been making improvements in her play lately that suggest her town game is getting more obvtown early.

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

No. It will change when Thor and I find a little more common ground.

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

Well how am I supposed to fucking know? You don't sign your posts so therefore you are treated as a single entity.

I have noticed a few times players fluff posting their guesses on who is posting in the hydra, it has been noted as I go.

Thor signs his posts or makes it extraordinarily obvious it is him.

How do you feel about SSK?

He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?

OK HERE GOES THE CATCHUP~~~

bro is scum guys let's go!

IF bro is scum, he's playing nothing like his 165 or xenoblade self. He's also put himself into a position where he's dead meat if he's scum.

Can you explain what you mean here?

So my brain feels like its half broken so
How many posts of SC was Varsoon?
If there was more than one of his posts, im voting him.

stop pretending like you didn't know it was me, and not varsoon.

generic is town i think. I'm happy to say that for now. #294 sealed it for me.

@Casso

- thor in particular here, why did you townread us early on in 306?

I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?

I think it's strange given your #335. whats up with that?

this is all i can manage because this fucking computer is horrendously slow. like it's being run by fucking hamsters.

this was Mac. have a nice day. x

Thor townread you by #305 because he felt you were the only person to do something significant in the game so far because you had a suspect, called him scum, and pushed it. No one else did that by that point in the game.

My #335 was probably expressing concern with how quickly BRO had crept up in a couple of townreads, but I didn't see anything big in BRO ISO until he said he had no idea what he was doing. That seemed unlikely based on NY whatever and touhou.

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

...?

Laptop died and I'm posting on a crappy netbook so this is not going to be as detailed as I'd otherwise make it.

At the time when Nati and I first started to feel suspicious of Nacho it was for a bunch of reasons, none of which was really a clincher but together make a constellation that we feel is trouble.

We don't like how he apparently missed a ton of crumbs

We don't like how he seems to be currying favor with players rather than sorting them

We don't like the pitoli vote and especially don't like its timing. It came off like he was trying to deflect attention after we first went after him.

We don't like how he tried to push the non-aggression pact on us.

We don't like the whole tone of the exchange with Brian. The whole tone of that sounded off.

And we found Thor's posts pretty damn close to null content.

And finally, we don't like that when we asked him what he thought about SSK, he said that he was thinking about moving his vote there if Thor agrees. That was off for two reasons: the assumption that we were scumreading, not trying to sort SSK, and because he deferred the decision waiting for a catch up. That's not something he typically does as a hydra.

-I am picking up on less crumbs than I normally would because iPad. I also don't think that's a scumtell for me.

-I am currently considering going back to the Pitoli vote. The timing coincided more with my entrance in thread than your suspicion of me, though.

-Why not? The only advantage it offers me as scum is the towncred. I offered it originally because I thought Cabd would appreciate the gesture, but he apparently didn't get it.

-don't understand where tone was off there.

-I thought Nati was scumreading SSK and I was pretty ready to move forward on that. I'm no better at sorting him than ffery is and so thought the method of approach to him this game was to leave him in Nati hands. You are correct that I usually don't wait to sync up as a hydra. Thor is not my usual hydra partner; my usual hydra partner is someone like you or GiF who can see why I'm thinking what I'm thinking and doesn't diverge on my most basic of reads. There are other hydrate where i take primary control and thus don't differ much from my usual play. Then there are hydrate like Majiffy where our approaches differ in a way where my play needs to change significantly. With him, I tend to exert my personality over his since my reads are superior to his, hence Vegito and ridiculous aggression. With Thor, the biggest thing I want this hydra to give me is a greater understanding of him and for him to understand these pieces of our meta a little more. I don't think playing in the usual way will help me with that, and am much more comfortable with waiting for him than I am not waiting for him.

Do we really have to post walls and put a question mark up to make it look like you're scumhunting? This is bullshit.

I like ffery's post on casso, and this flurry of activity does not look like town trying to catch up, it looks like someone trying to present themself as a busy townie.

vote casso

I'm feeling better about ffery right now, and a casso scumflip would cement that.

Cabd or ffery should understand what the question mark was about.

The "flurry of activity" is me catching up on an iPad.

I know I'm town but I don't think I'm likelier to pick up on crumbs as town than I am as scum.

I don't just read when I catch up. It's inconvenient to read through and then read through again and try to find the things I want to respond to again.

I know I'm town but I don't think I'm likelier to pick up on crumbs as town than I am as scum.

Sorry I missed it, it didn't come up in pedit.

I don't buy it. I'd be a lot more assertive if someone was claiming something I just did as town was a scum tell. I have been in this very game. Yeah you're scum.

I'm not as assertive as you and Tammy are about my towniness. I don't think that me not picking up on crumbs is a scumtell or a town tell or why ffery was thinking that it was. It could be one of those scumtells that I don't know about, so it's not the type of thing I can reject outright. I don't think it is, though.

Tammy saying that she is town is a town tell for her. Saying it doesn't mean she is town.

Nacho, what is your read on Geists considering their case on you? Do you think they are town and wrong, or are they scum for it?

Town and wrong. Pushing me is one of the most reliable town tells ffery has, and this feels like a decent push.

-This is fair.
-Why didn't it make sense before?
-He usually has a better eye for things like that.
-I can't say I can call it a "hard edge", but I felt something was off about him initially. I thought his later posts cleared up him not picking up on what I expected him to, so I began the process of backing off. What are you talking about?
-Usually an open ended query to a strong scumread is the beginning of a major momentum shift, which would be caused by something like a smoking gun scumread on SSK from Nati. Why is misinterpreting your intentions a scumtell?

I know I'm town but I don't think I'm likelier to pick up on crumbs as town than I am as scum.

Sorry I missed it, it didn't come up in pedit.

I don't buy it. I'd be a lot more assertive if someone was claiming something I just did as town was a scum tell. I have been in this very game. Yeah you're scum.

I'm not as assertive as you and Tammy are about my towniness. I don't think that me not picking up on crumbs is a scumtell or a town tell or why ffery was thinking that it was. It could be one of those scumtells that I don't know about, so it's not the type of thing I can reject outright. I don't think it is, though.

Like I said above, missing the crumbs almost pales compared to missing the effect the crumbs had on other players.

I flew by one, got FoSed for it, went back, over-estimated what it was about, tested that, and eventually had a working hypothesis. That was one ripple of many.

You didn't react to any of that.

I didn't react to any of it because I didn't notice it. I picked up on some of the waves crashing on shore but missed the ripples, meaning that the majority of my reactions are questions, which are the types of things I would rather keep to myself.

Nacho, what is your read on Geists considering their case on you? Do you think they are town and wrong, or are they scum for it?

Town and wrong. Pushing me is one of the most reliable town tells ffery has, and this feels like a decent push.

Can you give examples where you were both town and ffery was wrong about you? I want to compare.

I'm not sure these examples exist. Ffery and I are hitting a bit of an uncharted territory in our relationship.

She would know better than I would, though.

-I am picking up on less crumbs than I normally would because iPad. I also don't think that's a scumtell for me.

...an iPad makes you worse at reading?

dafuq?

I am not as careful as I would be on a bigger screen/when I would have more time to read and play mafia. iPad takes longer to post and thus I rush a little more when I play on it.

Nacho, what is your read on Geists considering their case on you? Do you think they are town and wrong, or are they scum for it?

Town and wrong. Pushing me is one of the most reliable town tells ffery has, and this feels like a decent push.

Can you give examples where you were both town and ffery was wrong about you? I want to compare.

I'm not sure these examples exist. Ffery and I are hitting a bit of an uncharted territory in our relationship.

Okay. And what are those "waves crashing on the shore" that you picked up while missing the "ripples?" Which players were you referring to?

I won't comment, considering crumbs.

Domo is meh; I have liked a lot of his posting but nothing in it so far stands out and a few of his pushes seem a bit strange (see: push on me where he kind of follows your push on me but not really).

Stuffed Crust is higher considering Mactown.

Sakura/Muffin lower, Sakura mainly based on lack of doing things and Muffin because I didn't like talah posts and muffin has been pretty underwhelming so far. Brian meh leaning town based on his reaction to the gambit, F-16 town because of the gambit.

The lurkers are all in the scum slot for me, with a few maybe not push moments for good morning.

Sakura mainly based on lack of doing things

Well sorry but i haven't been motivated to play much mafia in general, lately i dont get as much fun as i used to, and it doesn't help bundled up with my real life issues (which is why im on V/LA)

You can always rant about real life things to me! I know we are not hydraing, but the Mononoke QT is always open!

I would like each player that reacted to my fakeclaim to claim if they were playing along, or if they thought I was actually claiming masons, though.

I thought you were serious

Anyone from Xenogears who didn't catch it deserves scrutiny, though.

Why do you expect town to "catch it?" From experience, I find town are a lot more oblivious to PR claims although it depends on the player.

49 was pretty explicit

I think I am missing something. Why wouldn't scum who played the gears game catch the same thing?

If I were scum reading that, I would try to ignore it as much as possible, townread the two people masoning for other reasons, then shoot it at night in the midgame before they're revealed. Especially since they might have also picked up that I crumbed mason-bodyguard, not just mason, so they'd assume I might die protecting a target anyways.

That's the point; anyone who didn't phone in on it seems like they were trying to ignore it b/c it was fairly explicit.

Scum picking up on masons can go "hey guys I see you", leave them alive if they wouldn't warrant a night kill normally then kill them when revealed so it looks like scum didn't know. That's a hell of a lot better than feigning ignorance.

No, I'm saying that legitimately thinking/perpetuating the idea that I'm scum when you've got no evidence for it and haven't articulated a case for it is awkward.

No evidence? Jesus Christ dude, it's d1. Where's your "evidence" that I'm scum? I have a gut read you're scum. That's as good as anyone is getting today because there's nothing else to go on. Welcome to d1. So no, I haven't got any evidence, no more than anyone else has on anyone. I've explained what makes me *think* you're scum. I notice you're asking people to sheep you onto me. This is something else I don't like, that I consider scummy. I'll tell people who I think are scum, but I won't try and move other people vote's onto the wagon I'm on, because that's not very pro-town, it's effectively like saying "I'm right you're wrong". How can you be so sure?

You're pretty predictable, too. I knew you'd respond with the whole "lining up mislynches" thing as I was writing that.

Well why don't you explain how me flipping town suddenly looks bad for desperado, when it's his case you seem to be jumping on?

Given this and the fact that you're grasping at commenting on anything else that's happening as of late makes me believe that you're trying to escape my persecution. You won't. I'm clamped onto your ass like a pitbull.

This is chest beating. I don't consider this to be much of a town tell. If you were town, there's no way you can feel this confident you bagged scum on d1.

I'm very confident that you are scum based on your interactions with me

Well you better start thinking about how you're going to pretend to be shocked.

and then, yes, I'd be pushing a wagon on Desperado

This doesn't make sense to set up your target a day in advance when there's lots that can happen overnight. I haven't got a clue who I'm going after tomorrow if we lynch you and you flip town. There's too many factors for me to consider that now. So why are you thinking so far ahead? When you first put your vote on me, you're already thinking in terms of DOMO vs desperado.

Yeah I think you're scum who seized on a town vs town war.

Asking someone to sheep you isn't actually that scummy; it demonstrates conviction in reads which is pretty much never a bad thing. You know for a fact that you can have more than vague gut D1, as evidenced by Xenoblade and strong confident scumreads on 2.

I see your point in lining up lynches, but that's more of a Varsoon thing as opposed to anything else (he did the same thing in Ngame).

I don't care if I die in the process, I'll expose you and your scum-buddies.
I don't care if I look retarded or idiotic or whatever, I'm going to pin scum.
DOMO, I think you're scum. Your defense of yourself keeps pushing an offense of me, setting me up as some kind of opponent of yours. You're actively scumpainting me with your posts.
Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.
And, really, what threat do I pose to you?
I'm town. All I can fucking do is vote and make noise.
So, why are you trying to quell that noise?
What about it is so threatening?
If you're town, wouldn't you just brush it off?

P-EDIT:
I am town, so you can stop being an asshole and saying otherwise.

-V

DOMO, I am surprised that you didn't townread this. It has all of the "I am town I am town" conviction that you talked about earlier, doesn't it?

Nacho, what did you do? why is C calling you guys scum?

I didn't pick up on his crumb.

Also i'm not liking how Varsoon has to repeat in each of his posts "I'm town" "I'm gonna flip town" rather than actually being town >_>

PEd: Convenient for me unconvenient for you.

PEd2: That's looking good to me, all those people will be obvtown to me when you flip scum

A lot of people do that. Why do you think it's suspicious? Why isn't he being town?

On the other, DOMO feels really genuine in response.

Gurl lookit dat 180

I find magical 180s for no real reason to be pretty town, actually.

EBWOP:
Add Sakura to the people I'm suspicious of.
If I had to make a scum-pool now, though?

Pieguyn,
Sakura,
Desperado,
Casso.

Feels right to me.

Vote: Stuffed Crust

what happened to you being sure that one of Korean/SSK was scum Varsoon?

you know who likes to create arbitrary dichotomies? scum.

what's weird about my voting pattern?

and you saying this reeks of scum-desp is seriously the fucking dumbest thing you have ever said. justify it

He also created arbitrary dichotomies in Ngame.
Why are you voting them?

Sakura playfulness makes her look better although it isn't the sort of thing I should be toe reading.

If I were a voting man, I'd vote pitoli desperado or muffin (desperado).

I expected muffin to come in with more blazing glory. Right now he feels more like he did in touhou as opposed to him as the tracer of rails.

Nacho, have you developed the full Nacho-reads-list yet (complete with "town+", "town" and "leftovers?"

Also, why Pitoli, or Muffin (Talah)?

It's in my head but it's not written down anywhere!
Pitoli is still concerning me for not even showing up.

No. I wouldn't cry if you responded to the other things though!

I don't think him being lazy is a particular scumtell and I find it weird that you would think it is.

It's a scumtell in certain situations. This might be one of them.

No thank you!

lol, Thor is more than a little confident and stuff. this isn't as bad as what I remember him being. Might be the seals

Here are your Nacho posts

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holy shit, I should have spoilered that

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I can be a wingate, if that's what you want

because they are the gateway to winning?

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Okay, we'll toss Tammy off the board for a while and I will live in continued awareness that one of my foibles in being town is I expect everyone to be able to do what I do when I'm scum, and apparently that's actually quite rare.

You should scrub yourself til you bleed after you posted that.

I felt dirty just requoting it

Why?

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Now look at who's running away!

[MC Maraca]

oh it's arthur

hai arthur

[MC Maraca]

Okay, we'll toss Tammy off the board for a while and I will live in continued awareness that one of my foibles in being town is I expect everyone to be able to do what I do when I'm scum, and apparently that's actually quite rare.

You should scrub yourself til you bleed after you posted that.

I felt dirty just requoting it

Why?

The sheer arrogance of it... *shudder*

Now look at who's running away!

Bitch please, my phone died.


Are you town reading casso?

yeah, but if I'm scum with them, why does it matter?

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I made a town-list earlier in the game, Arthur. you should look at it!

mine is better than C's though

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I really do think Nacho/thor is town, Ceph

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He stopped putting effort in.

He didn't react to me placing him in my town list, and I don't remember why I had put him there, in the first place

Pedit: yeah, but I do agree with that read. He only signed during my fight with tammy

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Ceph, I'm thinking he's surprised that Thor managed to read anyone correctly

[MC Maraca]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I was talking about this list, though

VOTE: Pie

I want our vote here, the most I think

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Wait; somebody actually non-ironically thought mara was me? For shame.

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4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - lots of footnotes but we're here for now. Would like to hear what the point of the crumb gambit was.

I already kind of mentioned it. It got us out of RVS in a great way; and really forced people to react to it one way or another once they picked up on it.

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14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/

She's my mason buddy dontchaknow?

Nah but really; there's certain things I equate with GM scum and she's done none of them so far, so you can call it a weak town read from me.

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20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now

You'll have to clarify this one; it sounds conflicted and not like he's in the scumpile.

[MC Maraca]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I hope everyone sees what these chucklefucks are doing.

Still feeling pretty blind, for the record.

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THIS IS NOT A SERIATIM LIST

Town

1. Tammy - p much strongest town read.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - lots of footnotes but we're here for now. Would like to hear what the point of the crumb gambit was.
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Nati feels stronger about this read than ffery does, but both are pretty comfortable at this point.
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - unless GiF says otherwise.
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - this read could go stale fast, though. Right now, they're almost on a par with Tammy as far as ffery is concerned.
18. DOMO - for ffery this read weakened a little. Listening to Mara for now.

Maybe Town

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - both of us are happier with Nacho's posts over the last couple of days, particularly the strong flashes of sincerity. But, as ffery mentioned in an earlier post many of the subjects where sincerity shined through are alignment neutral. ffery maintains some caution.
7. Ser Arthur Dayne

pitoli

- we had pitoli in scumpile, but replace-out moves her/SAD up considerably. We really liked his opening. Should probably move him to top tier, but ffery wants more data first.
11. BROseidon - we can see town and scum motivations for going along with the gambit, and feel like he's coasting a bit on the perceived boost in townread
14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/
15. Sakura Hana - could see a scum team with Sakura and pieguyn actually. Nati would move her to not so town.
19. Cephrir - both of us are seeing more scumrir flickers than cephtown flickers as the day has progressed. Would consider moving him down a grouping.

Not so Town

6. Generic - engagement, comments on game state seem meh to me. Will go with what Nati thinks.
10. pieguyn

SonOfZeus

- for ~reasons~. Want to see how this develops.
12. Brian Skies - almost in not enough data, but his edgy tone concerns me. I can see it coming from a town place, maybe, kinda, but not convinced.
20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now

Null or Not enough data

REPLACEMENT

roflcopter

- ffery has one prior game, which was also fast moving. He was town. If he bitched about the thread speed and length, it certainly wasn't the bulk of his input.
17. zMuffinMan

talah

- This doesn't look like his town game so far. Also doesn't look at all like his replace-in scum game. Still evaluating.

This list also lacks pie.

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That should be appended to "reasons for pie" because I'd like more than ~reasons~ and if ffery is obvtowning me she has plenty of ways to tell me whats up one to one in code of sorts.

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moraca

i liked you last i read, but you and mara not sorting each other has me worried.

You am notice I included them in my 'dog poop scum' comment, the same place I called you adorable.

Look for the compliments and you will find the reads. And besides, she is v/la and cabd is pretending to be her so I let them have their moment while I gently scumread them and look for the interactions with buddies... Geists being one.

I tell you now if geists flips scum mcmaraca is my tunnel of hate straight after. Even down to geists imposing themselves in the arguement with you.

What?

do you really think he can do that good of a job of pretending to be me?

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and just because I'm not being up-front with Sorting generic, doesn't mean I'm not doing it, Tammy

[MC Maraca]

@generic "not so town" is our scumpile.

Why the hell call it something so ambiguous?

And loving the OMGUS from you, have you ever explained your scum read on me?

What Omgus?

Pie:

if scum is pushing your wagon, why are you looking at the ones who joined it and not the one who started it?

[MC Maraca]

ohhaibrian

would love to hear your thoughts on this game

[MC Maraca]

any scum reads so far?

[MC Maraca]

I would be scum if I insta-towned myself.

and we aren't ever gonna be lynched ever so... not worried much about my play

and tammy hasn't done shit so far and, meta aside she hasn't done anything I would expect town to do

and this game isn't that hard to catch up on, so I dunno why everyone is complaining about it

last I recalled, you like to refer to past behavior if you can and that's meta.

[MC Maraca]

oh

and I don't think 7 scum in a 20 player game is all that bad, if town is stacked with enough power

[MC Maraca]

but I would love to hear why Maraca-geists and Maraca-Casso seems like such a viable team to you. Last I checked, if someone looks like they are my teammate as scum, post flip... they probably aren't on my team

[MC Maraca]

-snip-

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later

-snip-

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

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EG: I have a stance, but it isn't as definitive as I would like it to be so, I won't be sharing it until I get a little bit more solid ground on it.

and, I'm paranoid, sure but I havn't seen anything from you that is making me think you're town. so.

I also could have sworn that I started the wagon, and nacho/thor followed suit buuuttttt

Arthur's jump looks opportunistic, Nacho/Thor even more so

and mine is just a paranoia push?

when there are others in this game I can be far more paranoid about, yet I choose you?

yeah, I can be a paranoid fucktard but considering that I'm town-reading others that I am normally paranoid about, there is obviously something else to the vote.

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pedit: I don't agree with him town-reading you

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When did I link you to casso? Last time I checked, you did that yourself.

you placed him, me, geists and some other people as scum. seems plausible to think that, you think they are possibly buddies.

I know I'm town, I'm super certain in Casso town, and geists town so I want to know why you think the people you listed as scum, are scum.

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yeah, I can be a paranoid fucktard but considering that I'm town-reading others that I am normally paranoid about, there is obviously something else to the vote.

well yeah that's why I figured there was probably smth else to it

I'm not too worried about you cause I'm relatively sure of my townread on you, but still wanna know the reason

why?

I'm super certain in Casso town

explain plz

Not interested considering they aren't likely to get lynched, so it'll be a waste of my time.

[MC Maraca]

So my gambit expired a shitton of pages ago, and F-16 chooses to vote me over it..... now that tammy is voting me and others have expressed some sort of interest? Yawn.

[MC Maraca]

Oh also thank you for towning pie.

UNVOTE:

[MC Maraca]

Oh also thank you for towning pie.

UNVOTE:

wanna lynch Casso with us? or Cephrir?

I'm less sure now that nachoffery sorting dance happened of my scumread there. I could probably sheep you onto cephrir. Mara's kinda AWOL so what the hey.

VOTE: cephri

[MC Maraca]

So my gambit expired a shitton of pages ago, and F-16 chooses to vote me over it..... now that tammy is voting me and others have expressed some sort of interest? Yawn.

Yes, exactly. If nobody else wants to vote you, pushing your lynch would be a waste of effort and best put off for the next day.

Meh. You're not really doing ~awesome~ this game like I expected you might. Like you've yet to invite me to a meta dance, you've done one half asses meta report on anyone, and your "omg cabd is scum here's meta on his gambits and why this is a scum gambit" post seems to have gotten eaten by C:\dev\null so you can repost it.

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What the Balloney? Could you explain how your mind went from:

I want our vote here, the most I think

To:

Oh also thank you for towning pie.

Probably the pie posts between post 1912 and 2138; if I were a guessing man. Also that first post was mara and she sucks at this whole town thing.

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Cabd's has only done one gambit?

Nacho probably wants us to fight because it would serve as a means for him to sort both of us out (or probably just you since he's already has me sorted?)

and because you not following up on something you've said you will do is strange. I've been waiting for it since I've come back.

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I would be scum if I insta-towned myself.

and we aren't ever gonna be lynched ever so... not worried much about my play

and tammy hasn't done shit so far and, meta aside she hasn't done anything I would expect town to do

and this game isn't that hard to catch up on, so I dunno why everyone is complaining about it

last I recalled, you like to refer to past behavior if you can and that's meta.

Pretty sure I told you days ago to stop talking to or about me.

You obviously know shit about me so just shut the fuck up.

Anyone who has a tiny clue about me knows I'm pretty damn busy right now so that's one major thing, and this game is nothing but bloat which I haven't read half of and don't plan to. You all post too much and make too much noise, and I want to scratch my eyes out every time I see a post from you. I would have replaced out days ago except its empires game and he's already having trouble finding a replacement and I'm not going to do that to him. You don't like the results of a situation you caused on purpose? Well then don't be a royal jackass. The only thing I know now is not to sign up for games with you in them. I'll get to this game when I have the time and the motivation to do so,

So you can shut the fuck up about it, or you can get everyone to lynch me so I can be let out of this game. Either one is fine, the latter is probably most preferable.

I know you're busy, but you used that excuse the last time you were scum and blind-sided me. I'd rather not have that happen again, so I want content from you

and all I did was call you boring, and scum. nothing I havn't done before when I try and get people sorted and nothing other people havn't done to you before. You just make it seem 10 times worse than it actually was and I didn't even push you as hard as I could have, or was planning to. in terms of pressure, it was pretty damn light.

[MC Maraca]

If you're seriously letting this game upset you, then perhaps you shouldn't be playing it, tammy. It's a game, for fuck's sake. You're letting shit get personal and that's never gonna end well for anyone.


I'm still waiting to hear "what those chucklefucks are doing" by the way.

[MC Maraca]

Mara started townreading you, for one.

Um you can ISO pie and call him town, too.

[MC Maraca]

Oh and f16-tammy are pushing us as scum.

And fferynati is pushing cephrir now not nacho.

[MC Maraca]

Oh and also this happened but she still hasn't actually given us blind terrible chucklefucks an explaination:

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I hope everyone sees what these chucklefucks are doing.

[MC Maraca]

Do you have a scum read on Brian Skies?

I would but his level of activity is showing patterns similar to giffy's mini and uh... yeah.

[MC Maraca]

I do, actually

My (personal) prediction is

SSK/desp. Tammy/F-16, Brian, Muffin

Pedit: Ohhaicabd

[MC Maraca]

So he's just 2013 scummy?

Do you think Tammy is scummy?

Mara thinks so but I'm leaning more towards f16 from that pairing. As for brian uh, not really? You really need to get over that 2013 shit; because I'm a '13 too, and I seem to remember owning you at least once.

[MC Maraca]

Pissy Wall.

You have fun with that, tammy.

[MC Maraca]

SSK/desp. Tammy/F-16, Brian, Muffin

these are good reads from what I remember. I don't like Cephir.

Well, you're kind of in luck given he's a viable wagon?

[MC Maraca]

and, I had gone through a semi-iso on all of them

and SSK and F-16 are unlikely to be scum with the person right next to them, AND re the ones who are more likely to be scum in their pair.

I feel like a scum-flip on all 4 of those will be most telling, while a scum flip on Brian and muffin won't be as much.

F-16 hasn't really pushed his own wagoned, though and has dogged quite a bit.

his town--> maybe town --> scum read on us is weird and there is no basis behind it other than Tammy being the first to actually attack us

and my "malicious attack" is nothing more than calling tammy boring and voting her... while he voted her before us, and me lightly pushing her as a means to try and discern her alignment.

he also has no reason to think that cabd would be able to read him, so him stating that his attack on him is off and wrong is weird especially since it was made in a way that looked like he expected cabd to read him correctly.

his words now also completely nullify what he has said about us early game. it's the complete opposite, infact.

Pedit: I don't like Veph's wagon :/

[MC Maraca]

Tammy:

I'm voting who I think is scum; not who I think is getting way too hot and bothered because "omfg how dare they read me wrong don't they know I'm innocent child" You can take your burden of proficiency at reading you onto your plane with you. And lose it in the luggage sorting area. In the great words of andrius, "The only innocents are bodies"

I won't pretend to understand exactly what mara did with you; and I personally think it was a bit over the top; but this is a game. Anything and everything that helps me, or my partner, get a read is fair game to me so long as it falls in the game's rules.

[MC Maraca]

and if you were town, you would understand where my paranoia is coming from and the actual reason to why I was pushing in the first place.

I can play the "you should XYZ" game just as well as anyone else but then, it'll turn into nothing but a fallacious war.

I also won't push someone who is V/LA especially when I have other suspects who are just as good and would give just as much answers, and is actually able to defend himself

Pedit: sure

VOTE: muffin

[MC Maraca]

so you think there's a good chance of Cephrir scum and Casso town based on what I said?

That's a false pretense. The nachoffery dance sort makes it unlikely BOTH are scum; and I don't see ffery scumreading-then-townreading nacho out the gate. Therefore for now I'm treating them both as town on a tentative basis.

[MC Maraca]

you make me sad when you scum read me for F all.

It's actually pretty funny when I scumread you and you get sad. I like causing sads.

[MC Maraca]

helped the scum.

This ought to be good. Expand on this.

[MC Maraca]

I think you're on my team, too <3

ohshit

[MC Maraca]

I wanted to call her scum, and not obv-town as I thought she would be as town to get some kind of reaction out of her. Didn't think the reaction would surpass 20~ pages, and I defintely didn't think my attack was that strong to begin with.

the ideal outcome was to get a reaction, not for it to get out of hand. I thought that, I could rile her up, and then get it to diffuse fast enough so that it wouldn't effect the game state and in any case, I didn't think she was obvtown, and I don't think it helped scum because I was scum in empire's last game and I don't think it helped us at all. I think it actually made things harder for fonz to continue on with the game for us

[MC Maraca]

helped the scum.

This ought to be good. Expand on this.

Based off your attacks, Tammy has been running at less than full steam, or at least, not as smoothly as she was in Empire's last game. The fact that you attacked her as a sort of reaction test shows that you know she would likely get upset. You intentionally wanted her to get upset so you could get a read or pretend to get one and move on. The ultimate effect of what you did was scum-sided although I am not fully sure if that was your initial motivation. Perhaps you actually thought as town that you could rile her up, develop a read and move on, with no effect to the gamestate. That brings me to the question: what exactly was your intent at the beginning. What was your ideal outcome?

but this? this isn't what you said in the first place.

[MC Maraca]

Zmuffin is completely non-comittal and his iso yields absolutely no scum-hunting

[MC Maraca]

Could we just get a lynch? I really would rather not have a nolynch on d1.

I can't even push my top scumulative read atm because there is no support and there is now way its gonna be gathered in 3 days

[MC Maraca]

LIKE WE CAN'T EVEN GET A WAGON TO HQVR MORE THAN 4 VOTES

[MC Maraca]

Mafia Xenologue

Careful, you'll induce shuddering fits in several slots here by mentioning that game by name.

[MC Maraca]

You scared?

I GOT CHILLS

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING ~~~

Anyway since GiF evidently

can't

read Varsoon and if geists is anything to go by, the playerlist is about to follow him off the cliff, then I'm going to claim.

Hi. This is your "I think you're a mislynch now and I want you to talk to me" reach out post. You'll only get one, macsoon.

[MC Maraca]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

Mac's been gone for awhile now. D:

I was more concerned about your reads-list as a whole.

-V

News to me. His posting everywhere else on site says otherwise. Try again.

quite a strong statement to make considering in the past day and a half or so, I've made 2 phone posts and 2 drunk posts? where did this false accusation come from?

This is about the only thing I don't like about mac. There's plenty to dislike about varsoon but he and I hate each other on a playstyle level.

[MC Maraca]

It took me mis-repping your activity to get you to post; whereas I had asked or indiacted i'd prefer to talk to you once or twice before that.

[MC Maraca]

It took me mis-repping your activity to get you to post; whereas I had asked or indiacted i'd prefer to talk to you once or twice before that.

no you didn't.

Pretty sure I did but hey, you're here now.

Where are ~your~ reads? And if you don't have an entire reads list, give reads on the players you have a history with.

[MC Maraca]

Are you still SUPERSTRONGTOWN on GM, cus I'm not..

Yes.


And as for fferynats?

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE

Mac how much game experience with F16 do you have?

I see where you're going with this, but i'll stand behind the line for now.

[MC Maraca]

Are you still SUPERSTRONGTOWN on GM, cus I'm not..

Yes.


And as for fferynats?

The thing that bothers me about your GM read is that I can't verify that your reasons for townreading her hold up under inspection.

And? Would you like me to explain what it is I look for, therefore making it unable to be used further this game?

[MC Maraca]

It's funny because I can read her and you can't and I'm gonna feel smug now.

[MC Maraca]

So guys, don't all post at once.

Sigh.

[MC Maraca]

So? Do you want me to out my GM logic, or are you willing to run bldinly with it for a while?

[MC Maraca]

So guys, don't all post at once.

Sigh.

do you have any issues with my reads?

None of them in particular are bad, per say.

I get the feeling that for all the movement we've been doing this game day; we end up lol-lynching a lurker.

[MC Maraca]

MafiaSSK
zMuffinMan
Ser Arthur Dayne
goodmorning
Brian Skies

All have less posts than the mod at this point. SAD has a pass for being a fairly recent replacement. I have a townread on GM. Natiffery townreads ssk still yeah?

[MC Maraca]

why's your vote on muffin?

Ask mara. I had unvoted and left my vote idle last time I checked.

[MC Maraca]

Also if we all think really hard we can wagon F-16 because I know that half probably want it in the depths of their heart. I just have to awaken it for them.

(Some of their most recent posts are fine but the ones before that are )

Yeah I'd do that.

[MC Maraca]

what's up with the falcon?

Look at the way he eased onto voting me; pushing me without a vote, until he could paint the mara-tammy fight as scummy and got a few other players to agree, THEN he votes me.

[MC Maraca]

I do, actually

My (personal) prediction is

SSK/desp. Tammy/F-16, Brian, Muffin

Pedit: Ohhaicabd

Could we just get a lynch? I really would rather not have a nolynch on d1.

I can't even push my top scumulative read atm because there is no support and there is now way its gonna be gathered in 3 days

LIKE WE CAN'T EVEN GET A WAGON TO HQVR MORE THAN 4 VOTES

for whoever asked why I voted muffin

[MC Maraca]

Also if we all think really hard we can wagon F-16 because I know that half probably want it in the depths of their heart. I just have to awaken it for them.

(Some of their most recent posts are fine but the ones before that are )

are you for srs?

because that would actually be awesome.

the only thing that makes me think that this might not be possible is because there are people who are town-reading him for gods knows why and I can't really see more than a handful of people willing to go after him

[MC Maraca]

Somebody who can read bert for shit tell me what the actual fuck he's doing please.

[MC Maraca]

Ffery you and nati missed my question.

[MC Maraca]

aw cabd silly potato <3

i was making random observation comments to get myself into the flow of the game, still not there but closing in dude, then i can skim for realz

very weird that you say this though cuz you have your little notebook

Somebody who can read bert for shit tell me what the actual fuck he's doing please.

My notebook only applied to the bert half of your hydra. The bert's gut head is meta-less.

[MC Maraca]

Ffery you and nati missed my question.

I didn't answer it because Nati and I need to synch I don't think his read of SSK has changed.

Fair enough. So we doing a lurker lynch or what? We got a day or two but in a player list this big and this lurkerish, I doubt we're gonna see much in major movements.

[MC Maraca]

well don't you worry your little mind, dear

ill catch up, but im not sure how effective i can be at home though

The shit where you quote one of my posts and go "oh this is totes genuine" and then vote me three posts later or so has me taking your "don't worry" as a sign to worry more about you, fyi.

[MC Maraca]

I've seen enough.

and I've thought this over.

VOTE: f16

if He does so happen to be town, I'm probably already in alot of trouble

My personal townlist is already big enough so that, I can somewhat start doing PoE. I don't see why you can't do that, either

[MC Maraca]

Do you think F-16 might be scum here trying to get town cred if SC flips town?

No, if he flips town, it means my read was more accurate. AND I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE ACCUSING ME OF WHITEKNIGHTING AND ASSUMING THAT WHENEVER I AM RIGHT, IT COULD BE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PERSON'S AFFILIATION AS OPPOSED TO ME USING MY SCUMHUNTING ABILITY TO FIGURE IT OUT. SO, CUT IT OUT.

I liked this post a lot <3

I'm not to incredibly fond of it.

I can see where you're going, I think but I don't agree with it.

When I ask you if you're going to tunnel Mara, you say that I'm setting you up a 1v1 between you and Mara.
When you are left to your own devices, you call Mara scum pretty fucking quickly.
What?

Yeah, he's town.

Probably

Pedit: take a wild guess

[MC Maraca]

Who is pick for a scumteam?

stuffed crust, maraca, geists, domo, dayne

Because Mara scum doesn't know how to mask partner interactions, and Marascum doesn't know how to make townies look like they are her partner in the event she flips town.

Cabdscum is even worse in regards to that, and doesn't know how to play scum, period.

ohwait...

[MC Maraca]

I'm fucking mara

[MC Maraca]

and you don't know my gambits for shit.

[MC Maraca]

But lets say you did.

If you were town, you obviously thought that my push, on tammy was town-motivated and didn't think of it being scum motivated until tammy freaked out about it. at the point that she did, and started calling me scum, you had decided to change your read on me. no degression on your town-read of us, no sign of you losing faith in your read of us, nothing

and, I had asked cabd if you had a reason to think he was able to read you correctly. There isn't, so you not being impressed by him because he "got your alignment wrong" is absolute shit and reeks of trying to get on his good side.

You don't wanna pick a fight with me, it's pretty damn obvious in the way that you scum read us, but don't call my actions scummy, rather anti-town and using that as an avenue to try and push us to get lynched.

we aren't scum, we are "'

helping

scum.

the fact that you phrase it as such proves that you don't really have a scum-read on us, but you keep pushing it as such

the fact that you keep calling my actions as "helping scum" proves that you think my actions are anti-town. not scummy, anti-town and guess what?

town can, and are far more likely to be anti-town.

Especially taking into consideration of who is in this slot, and taking into the consideration of what we both have pride in RE our scum games.

there is far more evidence of you being scum, than there is of us being scum.

you never explained the scum motivation behind our gambits, at all. Why

I

would make such a push on tammy as scum, in the first place especially since I admitted to being scared of her volatile nature as scum.

[MC Maraca]

F16?

I think it was probably one of the towniest things (along with this maybe) he has done all game, and it can very easily be faked. IMO

[MC Maraca]

Do you think F-16 might be scum here trying to get town cred if SC flips town?

No, if he flips town, it means my read was more accurate. AND I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE ACCUSING ME OF WHITEKNIGHTING AND ASSUMING THAT WHENEVER I AM RIGHT, IT COULD BE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PERSON'S AFFILIATION AS OPPOSED TO ME USING MY SCUMHUNTING ABILITY TO FIGURE IT OUT. SO, CUT IT OUT.

I liked this post a lot <3

what

how can you like that post after big brother?

In mentor mentee when Notscience recruited me, I spent more energy as scum than I've spent as scum in a very very long time in order to call him scum for a correct townread on a townie. I can imagine why he wouldn't want to revisit that dark, dark road.

yeah

why is stuffed town again?

Why is he scum?

like, what of his posts have scum-motivation?

because, we both have a decent town read on them, as well

[MC Maraca]

You, generic.

[MC Maraca]

@Desp:

can you explain maraca scum? mara is weirding me out a bit but she did that last time I played her so I can't tell shit > <

Desp can't read me for shit, either.

meanwhile, every game I play against him (and with him) I get better and better at reading him.

[MC Maraca]

Could you sheep us, Brian?

it would be awesome

[MC Maraca]

I had a huge wall going and then the server decided I don't need to wall.


Desp, why call me scum and then leave GM out of the "partner" discussion when I've spent a shitton of time calling her town to anyone that asks?

[MC Maraca]

Town: Desp, Bert, Muffin, Tammy

Scum: DOMO, Ceph, MC?, geists?, Casso?, SAD?

Why do you have Desp and Muffin in your townpile?

Where is GM? Where is Sakura? Where is SC? Where is BBQ?

I'd also settle with knowing how he went from obvtowning me for my gambit to voting me without even fully catching up merely because desperado thinks I'm scum.

[MC Maraca]

...Really?

[MC Maraca]

Hi!

Guess what. I'm back and about to piss off a few people~

Mara's cool with it so whatever.

I wifomed the mason retract but

I am seriously a mason

. (Yes tammy you get to fucking get over yourself) No, not with broseidon. Who I'm partnered with should be obvious but we're not talking about it in any way shape or form today.

The real main reason I'm claiming is this, though.

We have daychat

This means scum has daychat too, most likely not as a part of a role, but merely granted by the setup mechanics. (I just checked, you don't have to have an encyptor to allow daychat in normal games) I decided my lifespan shortening a day or two is worth the info this grants; because hey, I'm pretty shit for reads this game anyways.

[MC Maraca]

soo....


can everyone move to F16 now?

shheeeetttt

[MC Maraca]

You're welcome cephrir!

Hi yourself.

[MC Maraca]

I have other reasons, don't you worry cephrir baby.

[MC Maraca]

Now knowing my alignment to be town go back and re-read the interactions f16 had with us. That's what mara is getting at. You can hear the skidding of brakes.

[MC Maraca]

Now knowing my alignment to be town go back and re-read the interactions f16 had with us. That's what mara is getting at. You can hear the skidding of brakes.

This one is for you bert.

[MC Maraca]

F-16: If you think i'd fakeclaim mason at this stage in the game as town, you are showing that you have clearly not ACTUALLY meta-checked the kind of gambits I pull; or you're choosing to ignore that for your own agendas. I take risks, but not the kind that might out a real set of masons were I to be VT.

[MC Maraca]

I am not sold you are town. Still null at this point. You could be an actual Mason. You could be a VT fake-claiming Mason. Or you could be scum fake-claiming Mason. Regardless, Mara made a dumb move earlier in the game. If you were competent town, I'd expect you to own up to it and back off. You didn't. You continued acting as if you were in the right and OMGUSing me. That makes you (Mara) either scum or incompetent town. I am not sure which. That's why you are in my annoyance pile. Only incompetent townies tunnel mindlessly. I backed off of voting you several pages ago so if you are actually town and this ends up being TvT, it is not my fault and you better not blame me at endgame, just saying that now.

Dunno what you're going on about but I do know this post rubs me the wrong way.

Guess who is already voting him for the total 180 he did on me after voting me and realizing I wouldn't go through!

[MC Maraca]

I actually want to have the other mason out to believe the claim. No, I don't care about keeping them hidden, you're the main wagon right now and I'm hesitant to believe the claim.

If this is nati, go talk to ffery and come back.

If this is ffery, I'm terribly sorry you drew scum, I can fix that for you.

[MC Maraca]

Oh? Well sorry, I'm leaving that up to my partner to come forward or not, and I'm certainly not doing it myself shy of L-1. So either you run me up, or you deal with it and sort this out another day. Your call.

[MC Maraca]

If that's how you want it, so be it.

[MC Maraca]

Because it makes things make more sense to the rest of the players; and hopefully it allows people to make connections that they might not have made assuming nightchat only. Mara and I fully believe there is one scum in the first three to four slots on our wagon. We agreed our reads aren't great this game, and like it or not, outing as mason is gonna shake this entire game back up and at 'em. We believe that one scum is F-16.

[MC Maraca]

You need to tell me why scumcabd fakeclaims masons at like L-8 or some shit like that with two superstrong players (nacho and ffery) townreading the fuck out him, with a backup townasfuck read from generic.

[MC Maraca]

And I really want/need to know why ffery chose to hide behind you for this talk. Does she now consider herself weak to my gambits or some shit like that?

[MC Maraca]

Oh and while i'm at it; @tammy.

I figured out what pisses me off so much about your play style. Your "I am only elated as town" shit pisses me off because it's essentially discrediting your own scumgame and or saying you as a player refuse to play to the best of your ability by faking that elation as scum as the rules of the game would suggest.

[MC Maraca]

There is at least one scum in the players doubting my claim. Leaning on f16 still, but it could be one of the others.


But pie if you doubt me shut the fuck up and put your vote where your mouth is, because i'm not claiming my partner short of L-1.

[MC Maraca]

And I really want/need to know why ffery chose to hide behind you for this talk. Does she now consider herself weak to my gambits or some shit like that?

Note like I said I didn't believe it, she said she's reading and I said I'm going to engage.

You'd better go find some sheep then, because i'm still not claiming my partner till L-1; or them stepping forward on their own.

[MC Maraca]

MC Maraca (3) - Tammy, BROseidon, Desperado

Plus F16'
Plus Stuffed Crust

At least one scum in that list of five. If it's not F16 who is it?

[MC Maraca]

And I really want/need to know why ffery chose to hide behind you for this talk. Does she now consider herself weak to my gambits or some shit like that?

I was off in another game thread.

Now, we've been talking, and I've explained to Nati why I think this is Town-Cabd. I'm deeply hurt and upset that you're taking pot shots at me while I'm going to all that effort for your sorry ass.

Can you blame me? Hiding behind the other head is a scum-morph tell and we both know it.

[MC Maraca]

And I'm hardly a sorry ass tyvm. More of a sorry crab, donkeys aren't my thing.

[MC Maraca]

MC Maraca (3) - Tammy, BROseidon, Desperado

Plus F16'
Plus Stuffed Crust

At least one scum in that list of five. If it's not F16 who is it?

False dichotomy. Your wagon could be all-town because of your anti-town play. If you are town, why are you not thinking this through? I doubt you are a shallow enough scumhunter that your scumhunting is based on OMGUS.

You can keep discrediting me and or my play all you like but that doesnt change the fact that i'm confirmed town and you have to dealwithit.jpg. If you don't trust it, find enough people to sheep you and get me to L-1 and you can get confirmation from my partner.

[MC Maraca]

just because one of my fabricated town reads claims mason.

uh

Uh what? She does that a ton as both alignments, her coming out that she fabircated a town read on me to gage reactions would hardly be suprising.

[MC Maraca]

No ffery, but I think scum-you would be afraid that your response to me would sound some off notes; or that it was a test of some sort.

(it's not either of those things btw, it's an actual claim)

[MC Maraca]

No ffery, but I think scum-you would be afraid that your response to me would sound some off notes; or that it was a test of some sort.

(it's not either of those things btw, it's an actual claim)

Remind me how many times I hesitated over potential off notes in 1436.

I'd rather remind you of how many times you worried of potential off notes in Xenologue, 167, mismatching flavor, and achievement. You know, all those times where you were like "is this a test oh god i hope it's not a test oh god what do" One game as a counter-example is hardly convinving when you didn't have a stacked player list to worry about; since the town in 1436 was already extremely off base.

[MC Maraca]

Cabd, you sure ffery is town?? Ugh. After our last game?? Ahhhhh

I quote andy:

"The only innocents are bodies" and add my own continuation "oh and also masons and innocent children outside bastard games"

[MC Maraca]

What about me Cabd?

Nati, at the current moment, I don't really care about you. Sorry. It's nothing personal but you've had your part in this dance, it's her turn.

[MC Maraca]

No ffery, but I think scum-you would be afraid that your response to me would sound some off notes; or that it was a test of some sort.

(it's not either of those things btw, it's an actual claim)

Remind me how many times I hesitated over potential off notes in 1436.

I'd rather remind you of how many times you worried of potential off notes in Xenologue, 167, mismatching flavor, and achievement. You know, all those times where you were like "is this a test oh god i hope it's not a test oh god what do" One game as a counter-example is hardly convinving when you didn't have a stacked player list to worry about; since the town in 1436 was already extremely off base.

How scum-me interacts with town-you is never going to follow the early morph-game maps. It would be suicidal.

But, we can debate whether this game has in any way followed my scum trajectory all you like, if you think that's a productive use of the remaining game day.

It can wait. I highly doubt you or I is going to die tonight. Maybe they'll shoot me but i dunno.

[MC Maraca]

Muffintown.

Vote: MC Maraca

Quite happy to lynch this hydra today.

^Also willing to wagon the fuck out of this today in lieu of something better, that hop-in, take-a-shot, hop-out was bad.

[MC Maraca]

Also sooo many panic posts after the mason claim

Delicious isn''t it? Watching tammy's reaction when she gets back ought to be popcorn worthy too.

[MC Maraca]

I doubt Maraca are a viable wagon today after the claim.

In case anyone had doubts in f16 scum. If you actually didn't believe my claim you'd be rallying people to get me to L-1.

[MC Maraca]

I doubt Maraca are a viable wagon today after the claim.

I find it unlikely that MCM is actually a mason.
"The scum have daytalk because the masons do" is an invalid deduction.
No urgent purpose for sharing such "knowledge" exists anyway.
And it is obvious that claiming mason at L - 6 reduces town's odds of winning.

Sorry to disappoint you, then!

[MC Maraca]

So I skipped the last 5 pages because i can't muster the energy to read through all that, can someone just give me a wagon to sheep?

They're kind of important.

[MC Maraca]

I think I've also played in a game with BROseidon but he is null in this one to me.

We were in Red Wedding together but I replaced out and Cabd took over my slot.

No I didn't. I replaced killa apple.

[MC Maraca]

Hi!

Guess what. I'm back and about to piss off a few people~

Mara's cool with it so whatever.

I wifomed the mason retract but

I am seriously a mason

. (Yes tammy you get to fucking get over yourself) No, not with broseidon. Who I'm partnered with should be obvious but we're not talking about it in any way shape or form today.

The real main reason I'm claiming is this, though.

We have daychat

This means scum has daychat too, most likely not as a part of a role, but merely granted by the setup mechanics. (I just checked, you don't have to have an encyptor to allow daychat in normal games) I decided my lifespan shortening a day or two is worth the info this grants; because hey, I'm pretty shit for reads this game anyways.

k

UNVOTE: MC

...insert copy paste of tammy twitching here.

[MC Maraca]

Would like Tammy's input on that

She'll probably spend the rest of the day ranting at me and mara about how horrible of players we are, so you might be better off bolding that and super sizing it.

[MC Maraca]

F-16: If you think i'd fakeclaim mason at this stage in the game as town, you are showing that you have clearly not ACTUALLY meta-checked the kind of gambits I pull; or you're choosing to ignore that for your own agendas. I take risks, but not the kind that might out a real set of masons were I to be VT.

I think the lack off cc to your original fake-claim would tell you that there aren't real masons which makes it an amazing fake-claim as scum or VT. Out your partner.

You've been on site for more than twice as long as I have.

So why don't you understand a simple textbook play?

He's maintaining that he thinks I'm a fakeclaim.

[MC Maraca]

Bro

vote

F16

[MC Maraca]

because, he is literally the only one, who has had people suspecting who hasn't had a wagon grown on him.

all game, he's done shit, and he's been treating me like scum without actually calling me scum, inflating my push, making everything I've done seem trivial (even when it wasn't) and something newbish

and degraded every single thing Cabd and I have done.

[MC Maraca]

The scumteam is:
Goodmorning
Bert
Cephrir
Tammy
Casso

I was going to make a scumteam A and a scumteam B, but these 5 are all together.
VOTE: Bert

you think our mason claim is fake, but don't think we're scum?

why?

[MC Maraca]

Who is pick for a scumteam?

stuffed crust, maraca, geists, domo, dayne

Because Mara scum doesn't know how to mask partner interactions,

and Marascum doesn't know how to make townies look like they are her partner in the event she flips town.

Cabdscum is even worse in regards to that, and doesn't know how to play scum, period.

ohwait...

what the fuck is this

particularly the bold

sarcastic comments of a woman who was getting her scum-game shat on.

@Desp:

can you explain maraca scum? mara is weirding me out a bit but she did that last time I played her so I can't tell shit > <

their reads are shit and mara's aggressiveness is extremely offputting after hydraing with her recently

@Desp:

can you explain maraca scum? mara is weirding me out a bit but she did that last time I played her so I can't tell shit > <

Desp can't read me for shit, either.

meanwhile, every game I play against him (and with him) I get better and better at reading him.

do we even have another completed game together beyond Wingate?

My aggression shouldn't be off-putting considering the biggest reason I wasn't aggressive in our game was because Our PR made us dying a very, very, very bad thing. I did whatever I could to not draw attention to us

also

Khan

and

Thor and (I think it was) Pitoli

just checked

in always sunny town-you remarks to town-me that we have a terrible track record of reading each other

in walking dead town us read each other correctly

in maniacal town us read each other incorrectly until i was (falsely) conftowned based on bad setup spec

sounds like you just made some shit up, mara. why would you do that?

Sunny was our second game together, so yeah I stated that.

Walking dead, I'm pretty sure you were calling our slot town based on Neroposts. I am also pretty sure that you had stated that I wasn't that easy of a person to read.

Maniacal, Mala was reading you as scum, I was ambivalent (I think).

all those games just prove that you really can't read me.

also, Walking dead, I had correctly pinged you as town.

@F16: You liar tell when stating that you're town but then don't liar tell that you don't know who scum are.

@Desp: What's the MC case? I've been townreading them all game and I get back to a bunch of "MC is scum" posts.

VOTE: MC

bad gambit, bad reads, weird mara blatantly lying about our meta to discredit me. really her whole reaction to me putting them in my scum team was off base:

Who is pick for a scumteam?

stuffed crust, maraca, geists, domo, dayne

Because Mara scum doesn't know how to mask partner interactions, and Marascum doesn't know how to make townies look like they are her partner in the event she flips town.

Cabdscum is even worse in regards to that, and doesn't know how to play scum, period.

ohwait...

@Desp:

can you explain maraca scum? mara is weirding me out a bit but she did that last time I played her so I can't tell shit > <

Desp can't read me for shit, either.

meanwhile, every game I play against him (and with him) I get better and better at reading him.

This isn't a case, love.

I had a huge wall going and then the server decided I don't need to wall.


Desp, why call me scum and then leave GM out of the "partner" discussion when I've spent a shitton of time calling her town to anyone that asks?

lol what

1) didn't you just get done telling me how sooper awsum you are at leaving fake partner tells?
2) why do you think my scumteam has anything to do with your interactions with the other people in it?

Unvote
Vote: MC Maraca

Cabd asked you that, I made the earlier remarks at making those fake tells.

[MC Maraca]

Spoiler: Merry Christmas!

I won't want alot for Christmas
there is just one thing I neeeeedd
I don't care about the presents
underneath the christmas treeee
I just want you for my owwwn
more than you could ever knowwww
make my wish come trueee oh~
all I want for christmaaasss is youuuu

~~~

I won't make a list and send it
to the north pole to Ol' saint Nick~
I won't even stay awake
to hear those magic reindeer cliccckk
'cause I just want you here toniiiight~
holding onto me so tiiight~
what more can I dooo?~
OH, baby all I want for Christmassss
is youuuuuu

We've Been on F-16 all day, he's scum and I don't know why you're reading him as town. you shouldn't be, Bro is voting him because I asked him to. Arthur is voting him because he also voiced suspicion on him, but he had held off on voting because he didn't think there was enough gravity to push that lynch forward.

[MC Maraca]

Pedit: iv'e stated it all game...

my reasons for f-16 scum are found in my Iso

[MC Maraca]

and Tammy hasn't seen our claim yet

[MC Maraca]

So my gambit expired a shitton of pages ago, and F-16 chooses to vote me over it..... now that tammy is voting me and others have expressed some sort of interest? Yawn.

and, I had gone through a semi-iso on all of them

and SSK and F-16 are unlikely to be scum with the person right next to them, AND re the ones who are more likely to be scum in their pair.

I feel like a scum-flip on all 4 of those will be most telling, while a scum flip on Brian and muffin won't be as much.

F-16 hasn't really pushed his own wagoned, though and has dogged quite a bit.

his town--> maybe town --> scum read on us is weird and there is no basis behind it other than Tammy being the first to actually attack us

and my "malicious attack" is nothing more than calling tammy boring and voting her... while he voted her before us, and me lightly pushing her as a means to try and discern her alignment.

he also has no reason to think that cabd would be able to read him, so him stating that his attack on him is off and wrong is weird especially since it was made in a way that looked like he expected cabd to read him correctly.

his words now also completely nullify what he has said about us early game. it's the complete opposite, infact.

Pedit: I don't like Veph's wagon :/

helped the scum.

This ought to be good. Expand on this.

Based off your attacks, Tammy has been running at less than full steam, or at least, not as smoothly as she was in Empire's last game. The fact that you attacked her as a sort of reaction test shows that you know she would likely get upset. You intentionally wanted her to get upset so you could get a read or pretend to get one and move on. The ultimate effect of what you did was scum-sided although I am not fully sure if that was your initial motivation. Perhaps you actually thought as town that you could rile her up, develop a read and move on, with no effect to the gamestate. That brings me to the question: what exactly was your intent at the beginning. What was your ideal outcome?

but this? this isn't what you said in the first place.

But lets say you did.

If you were town, you obviously thought that my push, on tammy was town-motivated and didn't think of it being scum motivated until tammy freaked out about it. at the point that she did, and started calling me scum, you had decided to change your read on me. no degression on your town-read of us, no sign of you losing faith in your read of us, nothing

and, I had asked cabd if you had a reason to think he was able to read you correctly. There isn't, so you not being impressed by him because he "got your alignment wrong" is absolute shit and reeks of trying to get on his good side.

You don't wanna pick a fight with me, it's pretty damn obvious in the way that you scum read us, but don't call my actions scummy, rather anti-town and using that as an avenue to try and push us to get lynched.

we aren't scum, we are "'

helping

scum.

the fact that you phrase it as such proves that you don't really have a scum-read on us, but you keep pushing it as such

the fact that you keep calling my actions as "helping scum" proves that you think my actions are anti-town. not scummy, anti-town and guess what?

town can, and are far more likely to be anti-town.

Especially taking into consideration of who is in this slot, and taking into the consideration of what we both have pride in RE our scum games.

there is far more evidence of you being scum, than there is of us being scum.

you never explained the scum motivation behind our gambits, at all. Why

I

would make such a push on tammy as scum, in the first place especially since I admitted to being scared of her volatile nature as scum.

[MC Maraca]

my "dumb move" being, me calling Tammy scum and pushing it which isn't something people havn't done before.

that's all I did.

and no, snap-answers are not a town-tell. I've done it in my last game a few times, I think (with nacho, it just finished) and more times than not, I quickly answer anything regardless of my alignment.

[MC Maraca]

I don't like the F-16 wagon.

I'm weighing Nacho's points about Mac, though I do not have the warm fuzzy he does about Mac's posts.

There's a pretty good chance I'll move our vote to Sakura after I mull a while.

why not?

[MC Maraca]

the first two points are Meh IMO

HxH style proposal to Nacho doesn't really mean anything to me. I picked up on it, sure but why can't scum do that?

and I pushback strongly on reads that I "Disagree with" as scum too, I did that in the recently completed open, and in Ceph's game. I don't see why doing it would make him town, or others as scum can't do it.

third, ok... I guess

but the forth is more scum-esque I think. especially when he's melding it to his views, I know for a fact that I tend to be more attentive to details as scum than I am as scum.

[MC Maraca]

goddammit Thor

[MC Maraca]

Can you not be a sarcastic mofo for once?

[MC Maraca]

the first two points are Meh IMO

HxH style proposal to Nacho doesn't really mean anything to me. I picked up on it, sure but why can't scum do that?

The more important question is why

would

scum do that.

and I pushback strongly on reads that I "Disagree with" as scum too, I did that in the recently completed open, and in Ceph's game. I don't see why doing it would make him town, or others as scum can't do it.

You're you. What you do as scum is not necessarily a good measure of what someone else does, particularly someone who plays such an intensively meta-based game.

third, ok... I guess

That's the sort of timing thing that scum players have trouble making look natural.

but the forth is more scum-esque I think. especially when he's melding it to his views, I know for a fact that I tend to be more attentive to details as scum than I am as scum.

It's the kind of detail that jumps out when you're scum vs town, though. And this one could be me projecting my own scum game, but I know that it's extremely difficult to read a game and see it with town eyes when I'm not town. Surprisingly difficult given how easy it is to just

be

town.

:/

VOTE: Sakura

[MC Maraca]

VOTE: giests

Gif or Nero?

[MC Maraca]

Sarcasm isn't going to help with anything, though

VOTE: F16

Ffery had me rethink that read, but I still like it more than I like your wagon and SC wagon. A hell of alot more.

Cabd is second guessing you guys, but I have personally never, ever seen you this town and looking at how nacho is sorting everyone out is making me cry happy tears so... yeah

[MC Maraca]

@Nacho/Thor: I have never played against Scum Nacho, but i dont remember Nacho ever handing out easy townreads like that, and i'd also expect him to be harsher on the lukers. Thor I was once a partner of his in a scumgame but i replaced in and my predecessor was obvtown so i don't really know whether he'd do that as scum, but I'm not ruling it out.

HAHAHAHAHA

[MC Maraca]

I personally don't think Sakura is town, but

three days :/

Nacho handing out easy town-reads isn't a cause for alarm

Nacho not being harsh on lurkers isn't one, either

[MC Maraca]

GIF, can you come on f16?

Pedit: why don't you all lynch F-16

[MC Maraca]

WHy not?

like, I'm pretty sure Varsoon is town and I dunno what you're seeing

[MC Maraca]

BERT MAKE A FREAKING VOTE

LIKE, RIGHT NOW

[MC Maraca]

this isn't cabd, cabd is at work but yes

Vote Falcon

[MC Maraca]

Bus, Sakura

pedit:

[MC Maraca]

and I think SC is town