NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay

I'll go look at that again.

Anyway while you're here does the muffin scumread on casso look natural to you or not. I mean the way he just votes casso first with weak reasoning then strengths it after casso attack them. (Okay I'm probably not getting my point across but does it look like they're trying to make a camping vote look better by putting forth reasons after they're attacked so it looks like they're initial vote was stronger or not? <-- probably still confusing but w/e )

Zmuffin voted Casso, and when asked for reasons, he pointed to a post which came after his vote. So, either his reasoning strengthened since then, or he voted to engage, or he he just came up with reasoning after the fact. I am not yet sure and he is hard to read. What is the scum motivation in "camping" a vote. I figured zMuffin is a good enough player as scum that her could contrive reasoning for a vote.

[Bert]

F16, I can't do POE because I can't read most players here well anyways, so my PoEing would lead to really bad accuraacy

But I do know that I find Cabd's hydra and Nacho's hydra to be very scummy, as in probably scum.

And the rest of the scum I think are in the people I Can't read well or are just lurking anyways, or people I haven't really looked at enough since the site has been down

like I applaud people who can do PoE in this large a game, I only do that when I'm in like 5p lylo. lol

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@F16: You liar tell when stating that you're town but then don't liar tell that you don't know who scum are.

What's a liar tell?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Bert, I considered scum in the lurkers especially Desp but his recent posts are giving me a strong town vibe.

[geists]

I haven't finished analyzing him but the notable thing I found in Touhou in his initial posts was that he displayed a specific kind of opportunism. When Pie and Varsoon went through a TvT back and forth, he supported Varsoon and pushed against Pie's arguments. This despite the fact that Pie had better arguments (or at least so I thought). I believe his motivation was that he figured Varsoon was a better player to buddy to because Varsoon was more hard headed and unlikely to turn on him as long he continued to support him in his arguments against Pie. Muffin went against the flow and didn't hop onto Varsoon and as such avoided the common pitfall of bandwagoning scum. The main difference I found with his towngame was that Cash Cabd, it seemed like he was legitimately scumhunting. His push on Humble Poirot and continued questioning and desire to get to the depth of the matter presented a very different feel than the opportunism in Touhou. I am not done yet so those are my initial thoughts. His play here is nothing like his town or scum play so I have no idea what is going on yet.

I played in both of those games and I agree with what you're saying here. Death's diner could also be a baseline for scum-zmuffin replacing onto a game that was already long and fast-moving. He came into the game with a healthy wagon on him and a bunch of players pushing him. His reaction to pressure here is "meh". There he argued his wagon to a standstill and was never under serious scrutiny again during the game.

This game isn't like either of those games.

[Bert]

the way you all are talking about how he/she is nothing like him/her as town or scum in past games

leads me to believe that he/she is intentionally playing differently to meta-dodge

i mean, that's my first inclination in my head when you say that

it's like how one time I went all serious just because I wanted to give them a different look in one of my past scum games. Change it up, you know?

I mean, muffin could just play up his town meta if he/she wanted to, probably, right? Plus, all the attention being given after he/she won a scum game lately and got nommed?

just my thoughts, as I have no past experience with him/her

[Bert]

EBWOP i think im inclined to think that especially with ffery/falcon in this game who do meta as town, and also read past games to boot

[Desperado]

@F16: You liar tell when stating that you're town but then don't liar tell that you don't know who scum are.

@Desp: What's the MC case? I've been townreading them all game and I get back to a bunch of "MC is scum" posts.

VOTE: MC

bad gambit, bad reads, weird mara blatantly lying about our meta to discredit me. really her whole reaction to me putting them in my scum team was off base:

Who is pick for a scumteam?

stuffed crust, maraca, geists, domo, dayne

Because Mara scum doesn't know how to mask partner interactions, and Marascum doesn't know how to make townies look like they are her partner in the event she flips town.

Cabdscum is even worse in regards to that, and doesn't know how to play scum, period.

ohwait...

@Desp:

can you explain maraca scum? mara is weirding me out a bit but she did that last time I played her so I can't tell shit > <

Desp can't read me for shit, either.

meanwhile, every game I play against him (and with him) I get better and better at reading him.

[geists]

This must be lady ffery

"lady ffery" always makes me laugh.

Yeah, it's me. Nati and I still need to synch. Our free time has coincided too much with site downtime the last couple days. Hopefully today.

[geists]

I'm mad that now you are engaged, we haven't had a chance to talk.

Disappointed I could see, but "Mad?" Heh, seems like overdoing it a bit there.

No, mad is closer. I was disappointed about his lack of engagement. I'm mad at myself/the server/life because that's changed and I haven't had a chance to take advantage of it

[Empire]

Day 1, Votecount 51

Casso the King of Seals (5)

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zMuffinMan, goodmorning, pieguyn, Generic, Bert

Stuffed Crust (4)

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Sakura Hana, DOMO, Desperado, Cephrir

zMuffinMan (3)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, Brian Skies, KoreanBBQ

MC Maraca (2)

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Tammy, BROseidon

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1)

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MC Maraca

Desperado (1)

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Stuffed Crust

Not Voting (4)

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MafiaSSK, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, geists, Casso the King of Seals

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 23nd at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-23 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Casso the King of Seals is V/LA until the 22nd. Varsoon head of Stuffed Crust V/LA until January 25th. Cephrir is V/LA until the 22nd. Tammy is V/LA until the 23rd.

1. zmuffinman
2. Casso
3. SC

Original Roll String: 1d3 (STATIC)

1 3-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Please do not use any form of provable randomness again (General Rule 6).

[geists]

@ geists: what is the full lurker list and who do you think is scum from it?

I thought it was odd that all your scumreads are active players. I disagree with some of them, but I'll think about your reads as I mull over my own reads list.

Current lurkers: SSK, BRO, GM, Sakura, Brian, and until the last day or so, you. BRO lurking as town is not unusual. SSK is pro at lurking whatever his alignment. I want to know what Nati's currently thinking about him.

Of those 6, the two I most worry about are Sakura and Brian right now.

[Desperado]

Current lurkers: SSK, BRO, GM, Sakura, Brian, and until the last day or so, you.

yeah there's probably scum there

why brian and sakura? your iso makes that comment difficult to reconcile

[geists]

Current lurkers: SSK, BRO, GM, Sakura, Brian, and until the last day or so, you.

yeah there's probably scum there

why brian and sakura? your iso makes that comment difficult to reconcile

Mostly based on Brian's proxy-vote comment and the complete lack of Sakura with the exception of one post as I did my catch-up.

SSK was also completely missing, but...SSK. On my own I'd probably put him in that group despite how often I've tried to mislynch him when we were both town.

[geists]

I am not sure what to make of the way my reads have softened as other reads are firming up in this game.

[BROseidon]

@F16: You liar tell when stating that you're town but then don't liar tell that you don't know who scum are.

What's a liar tell?

Language use that's indicative of lying.

[BROseidon]

Current lurkers: SSK, BRO, GM, Sakura, Brian, and until the last day or so, you. BRO lurking as town is not unusual. SSK is pro at lurking whatever his alignment. I want to know what Nati's currently thinking about him.

Of those 6, the two I most worry about are Sakura and Brian right now.

Interesting lack of GM in your analysis of the lurkgroup.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

BRO, what is your readslist looking like?

[BROseidon]

Town: Desp, Bert, Muffin, Tammy

Scum: DOMO, Ceph, MC?, geists?, Casso?, SAD?

[BROseidon]

I'm having a hard time putting the pieces together this game.

The fact that the game is moving super fast and is a lot of inane back and forth isn't helping.

[MC Maraca]

I had a huge wall going and then the server decided I don't need to wall.


Desp, why call me scum and then leave GM out of the "partner" discussion when I've spent a shitton of time calling her town to anyone that asks?

[geists]

Town: Desp, Bert, Muffin, Tammy

Scum: DOMO, Ceph, MC?, geists?, Casso?, SAD?

Why do you have Desp and Muffin in your townpile?

Where is GM? Where is Sakura? Where is SC? Where is BBQ?

[MC Maraca]

Town: Desp, Bert, Muffin, Tammy

Scum: DOMO, Ceph, MC?, geists?, Casso?, SAD?

Why do you have Desp and Muffin in your townpile?

Where is GM? Where is Sakura? Where is SC? Where is BBQ?

I'd also settle with knowing how he went from obvtowning me for my gambit to voting me without even fully catching up merely because desperado thinks I'm scum.

[BROseidon]

Town: Desp, Bert, Muffin, Tammy

Scum: DOMO, Ceph, MC?, geists?, Casso?, SAD?

Why do you have Desp and Muffin in your townpile?

Where is GM? Where is Sakura? Where is SC? Where is BBQ?

I'm like 50% gutreading 50% sheeping Desp right now.

SC I'm still torn about b/c last time I saw Vars-scum I misread it horribly.

BBQ I haven't read the vast majority of their posts b/c those posts are in the like 45 pages that I've skipped.

[BROseidon]

I'd also settle with knowing how he went from obvtowning me for my gambit to voting me without even fully catching up merely because desperado thinks I'm scum.

Vote on DOMO wasn't doing anything, something needs to happen b/c this game is going nowhere fast.

So I sheeped a townread that I know gets good scumreads faster than I do.