NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

is it just me or did my paranoia level just go up by 9000%

[Casso the King of Seals]

Interesting things:

On this, I'm trying to get nacho head to engage with me cos I've had arguements with him when he's been town and scum but he dismissed an interaction in tv our of catching up and then got arguing with geists.

I would love to have this dance, Generic.

It's antitown because it works in his favor if he's scum, which you pretty much outlined. You know you're a popular target for a NK. If he's scum, then why wouldn't he bribe you into an early truce so he can get rid of you before he's put into any real danger?

I know I've said this before, but to me, Mafia is a game about distrust and deceit. Treating someone as functionally conftown for X amount of time without actually sorting them just rubs me the wrong way. You also know that I don't like buddying, so I don't know where this is coming from.

This is good.
So, the original reason why I offered the deal to buldermar and buldermar specifically is because buldermar struck me as the type of player who wouldn't back off from a challenge when it didn't directly conflict with his win condition. One of the markers of having good scumplay is the freedom to kill a variety of threats. When there is a player who has such a meta angle on you that you HAVE to kill them, then this is a giant glaring flaw in your play that needs serious, serious work. When a townie makes this offer to a scum player, it's an attack on ego, not on honor. I appreciated the offer because I am not a significant meta threat to F-16 scum. I can read him, but the rift between his town game and his scum game is large enough where I'm not even close to a person with meta authority on him and he realizes that. But he's been getting closer to figuring me out, just needs time to do it. The offer gives him that time. Do you see where I'm coming from with this?

If he's scum, why would you expect him to follow through on this?

Explained above!

Why would you want a scumwin?

It wouldn't be a scumwin. The next thing on my mafia bucket list is to break your streak when we are on different sides.

1) You're scum.
2) I'm crazy.
3) Both

You're closer to naive than crazy.

I don't like how you're hiding behind a single comment to justify reading me, then throwing out some high-level "What he's not doing indicates he's town" reasoning without substantiating what those markers are. It makes it look like you're setting up for a potential "gotcha" moment on me that people'll trust because of your authority/experience with me.

What impresses me about your scumplay is that you always manage to find something to do early on and generally don't have slow starts. Large Normal? Nope. Touhou? Nope. Xeno1? Nope. Here, you begin with a strong townread and then go "welp, I have no idea what's what" which seemed genuine because I know you have no problem faking those things as scum.

I found things to be incredibly lacking in the "things happening" department and got bored about 10 pages ago.

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE

Because I'm not caught up, I'm tired of reading, and my RVS scum-read is getting wagoned and I don't know why.

[Empire]

Day 1, Votecount 20

KoreanBBQ (6)

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Tammy, MafiaSSK, Casso the King of Seals, pieguyn, Generic, roflcopter

MafiaSSK (3)

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KoreanBBQ, Sakura Hana, Cephrir

MC Maraca (1)

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pitoli

Casso the King of Seals (1)

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BROseidon

BROseidon (1)

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Stuffed Crust

Tammy (1)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Generic (1)

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goodmorning

Not Voting (6)

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Desperado, geists, DOMO, zMuffinMan, MC Maraca, Brian Skies

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 20th at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-20 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Ms Marangal head of MC Maraca is V/LA for a week (hydra V/LA through tomorrow). goodmorning is V/LA until Wednesday.

[zMuffinMan]

is it just me or did my paranoia level just go up by 9000%

this game will be much easier if you just read me as town from the get-go

[Generic]

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

[Generic]

*isnt like you at all

[Casso the King of Seals]

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

[pieguyn]

is it just me or did my paranoia level just go up by 9000%

this game will be much easier if you just read me as town from the get-go

for you or for me?

[zMuffinMan]

depends if you're town

[pieguyn]

I don't think it even does actually

if you're town that is

[Empire]

pitoli has requested replacement. Searching for one now.

[geists]

Nacho are you happy with your vote on KoreanBBQ?

[Casso the King of Seals]

No. It will change when Thor and I find a little more common ground.

[geists]

How do you feel about SSK?

[Generic]

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

Well how am I supposed to fucking know? You don't sign your posts so therefore you are treated as a single entity.

I have noticed a few times players fluff posting their guesses on who is posting in the hydra, it has been noted as I go.

[Generic]

And that's various hydras, not just casso

[Casso the King of Seals]

Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.

However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...

I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.

Well how am I supposed to fucking know? You don't sign your posts so therefore you are treated as a single entity.

I have noticed a few times players fluff posting their guesses on who is posting in the hydra, it has been noted as I go.

Thor signs his posts or makes it extraordinarily obvious it is him.

[Casso the King of Seals]

How do you feel about SSK?

He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?

[geists]

We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.

[Stuffed Crust]

OK HERE GOES THE CATCHUP~~~

bro is scum guys let's go!

IF bro is scum, he's playing nothing like his 165 or xenoblade self. He's also put himself into a position where he's dead meat if he's scum.

Can you explain what you mean here?

So my brain feels like its half broken so
How many posts of SC was Varsoon?
If there was more than one of his posts, im voting him.

stop pretending like you didn't know it was me, and not varsoon.

generic is town i think. I'm happy to say that for now. #294 sealed it for me.

@Casso

- thor in particular here, why did you townread us early on in 306?

I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?

I think it's strange given your #335. whats up with that?

this is all i can manage because this fucking computer is horrendously slow. like it's being run by fucking hamsters.

this was Mac. have a nice day. x

[Stuffed Crust]

oh yeah.

unvote

[DOMO]

I think the way I see it is there should be some sort of intent or goal behind your actions. ex. if you're town, trying to find scum

Intent or goal? There's more reason to post than just scumhunting. For example, I'm currently replying to someone I think is town, thus I'm defending. Some of my posts might be reaction tests, or simply an attempt to maintain conversation and as such interest. I guess the ultimate goal of finding and lynching scum remains the same, but on d1, the idea of town trying to find scum is a pretty vague idea. That's why you'll get more fluff on d1.

the problem I'm having is I'm not finding a lot of your answers useful in determining your alignment, thx to above

Well at the risk of being blunt, that's your problem, not mine.

so what made you change your mind on this idea to the point of making a joke about it?

Change my mind? I didn't. I simply pointed out that it *could* be scummy, and then later point out that it might not be. My mind isn't fixed, I am felxible with my ideas, and that should be comforting, not alarming. It's scum who tend to be less flexible.

[geists]

We haven't had a chance to talk about the game since SSK started to worry me.

Now we have.

Nati's opinion is that SSK is going to be hard as fuck to read. My level of concern shoots up significantly as of now.

[DOMO]

ffery for some reason you're making me nervous.