NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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I think the whole ISO blather is pure town sounding lies.
I like the Geist push but imagine Nacho may want to say something about it to me, and he's being a lurksack right now. And he was supposed to be the posting head here, so...yeah.
As a random note - I refuse to sign anything, if you can't tell the difference between Nacho and me I don't care, read us as a single entity anyway, that's how a hydra works last I checked.
I have FF, Stuffed, and Generic as town.
Reads may adjust as we combine them, or maybe Nacho will sheep me - you'll have to wait and see.
Here's my application to the town block also:
You're allowed to sheep me.
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I accept!In post 10, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, can we make a truce until day 3? Best friends: neither of us suspects the other until day 3, we don't kill each other until day 3 if scum (or at least fight hard for an alternate kill if they really want to kill our slots that badly), we don't play dirty with power roles until day 3. I think it will be most to our benefit if we are both town, but if one of us is scum, I think it will work to the townie's benefit. Do you agree?-
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Casso and I agree that your push here was pretty sad. It saddens me because your reaction to it is the complete opposite to my reaction, and it saddens my lovely bearded partner because you didn't drop your RVS push for something better when you found it.In post 11, Brian Skies wrote:F-0 is scum too.-
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How is it antitown? The plan essentially gives him three days freedom as scum. This freedom is also time that I'm left alive to rampage all over the scumteam in typical Nacho fashion when he could instead just dodge me for a day and kill me in a night. He has also demonstrated the capacity to read me pretty fucking well based on the past few times we've played together, so it makes sense he would want to buy extra time to figure me out (considering he tends to be a kill priority for scum-Nacho).In post 13, Brian Skies wrote:You're scum doing this with only your best intentions in mind. It's anti-town. You need rope, but I'm already voting my other scum-read.-
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I was hoping you drew scumIn post 29, BROseidon wrote:Just to let everyone know this game is a town win.-
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Why geists and Brian town at this point?In post 39, Cephrir wrote:Brian Skies is town.
geists is town.
F16 is town.
Generic is town.
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He was probably looking forward to seeing your emotional breakdown in the scum QT when I nailed the hell out of you, then had his hopes dashed when he saw you rolled town. I told him to give you scum regardless of what the numbers said but empires a better man than I am I guessIn post 55, Tammy wrote:So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secrettm prize.
I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!
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You've never been even mildly aggravated with me!In post 73, Tammy wrote:
How many times do I have to tell you I don't hate you.
I've gotten aggravated with you, but if you can find one person on this site I haven't gotten aggravated with, I'll bake you cookies. ( that kinda makes me feel like a bitch saying that actually when I'm just really a fucking sweetheart who has a tendency to get a tad emotional)-
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This is also my shtickIn post 145, Cephrir wrote:
Maybe I can do that. We'll see.In post 140, BROseidon wrote:pedit3: Ceph, don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you.
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This felt town.In post 220, Cephrir wrote:
If I ever obvtown this early, I'm probably scum.In post 218, MC Maraca wrote:
Maybe, if you learned how to make yourself Obv town, I wouldn't be voting you!In post 215, Cephrir wrote:Oh boy, Ms Marangal has arrived.
How long will it take her to stop voting me this time?
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What about it?In post 347, geists wrote:
Your focus on Brian.In post 346, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Where are my off notes?-
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I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.-
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I don't think Brian has a tendency to look weak early game. I thought there was clear motivation in F-16s opening to stay alive to sort out Nacho-scum, and I thought that it was strange Brian immediately attacked that, especially considering the mentor mentee game that recently ended which proves F-16 can read me pretty competently.In post 350, geists wrote:Specifically I'm seeing parallels with how in Buzzword you jumped on the weakness in orcinus' entrance and encouraged/supported others' reads. At least with orcinus it was a genuinely off entrance. Brian's initial posts almost always look strained and uncomfortable.-
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Yes? Cabd forming a town block with himself in the center early game doesn't exactly seem like something that's unlikely to be coming from Cabd-scum. Why do you disagree?In post 355, geists wrote:
You actually need mara's posts to read them?In post 353, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I liked Mara's early push on Cephrir. The target in and of itself isn't really that special, but the way she went about it seemed good to me (mostly the whole gearing up for a push and then completely letting it go part, that felt nice). So generic, if you're getting an early townread on Mara based on her initial posting, we're probably in agreement.-
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I asked you about geists because normally ffery paranoia is your thing.In post 359, Cephrir wrote:
I think I've since explained this adequately, but why didn't you ask me why I thought Generic was town? I have not explained that adequately to date, and in fact it was so weak that I no longer feel that way.In post 336, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Why geists and Brian town at this point?In post 39, Cephrir wrote:Brian Skies is town.
geists is town.
F16 is town.
Generic is town.
Discuss.
I asked you about Brian because the read required him not picking up on F-16 town, which seemed strange.
I didn't ask you about Generic town because your answer wouldn't figure into my read on him much/help me out with my read on you at all, but I probably should have. Why generic town and why don't you feel that way anymore?-
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I still think BRO deserves caution, but his "meh I fucking suck at large games" seemed a lot more honest than any BROscum play that I've seen. It's more about what he's not doing than what he is doing!In post 363, geists wrote:
I think Bro reads deserve caution, but I dunno. Maybe I'm seeing stuff you aren't, or vice versa. With town-Nacho, you're usually ahead of me on reads.In post 358, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?-
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Probably. But I'm assuming the people who questioned me were simply bad at gambits; I would expect Brian to see exactly where F-16 was coming from.In post 367, geists wrote:
And didn't you get some questions about the original offer in the hunterxhunterx game?In post 356, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
I don't think Brian has a tendency to look weak early game. I thought there was clear motivation in F-16s opening to stay alive to sort out Nacho-scum, and I thought that it was strange Brian immediately attacked that, especially considering the mentor mentee game that recently ended which proves F-16 can read me pretty competently.In post 350, geists wrote:Specifically I'm seeing parallels with how in Buzzword you jumped on the weakness in orcinus' entrance and encouraged/supported others' reads. At least with orcinus it was a genuinely off entrance. Brian's initial posts almost always look strained and uncomfortable.
I didn't question it in thread, but I damn sure got buldermar's take on it in our hydra discussions.-
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What's odd about them?In post 365, Cephrir wrote:
These deals are just really, really odd.In post 362, Casso the King of Seals wrote:1. Ffery. Let's make the same deal that F-16 and I made, minus the suspecting part.-
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The big push Thor wants is good morning. He thinks that needing to ISO to get reads sucks, especially since it was less than 24 hours from when the thread first opened. The rest of posts were a bunch of nothing. I mostly agree with this read, but found pitoli posting a little more interesting, considering good morning has slow starts and pitoli has been making improvements in her play lately that suggest her town game is getting more obvtown early.-
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Hiatus not needed; that was the part of the deal that didn't apply to us.In post 377, geists wrote:Hiatus good enough?-
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Greetings,
Nacho's desire to get into a hydra with me when I *specifically* discuss about the entire concept of my hopes for a hydra being that someone is the posting head and I just get to spew thoughts into a QT is not really amusing to me at this stage.
He's not even doing a good job expressing my thoughts and outrage, in my opinion. Probably because he's convinced he has to paraphrase from a ruddy Hydra QT - which literally makes no sense, copypasta that gak, Nach!
I see people say they can have trouble reading Nach and then admit I'm in the mix and are wondering about reading me... ::insert noise of a back of throat chuckle mixed with a smirk::
In OTHER news!
Let's hit these strokes which Nacho didn't convey for me due to general suckage;
Seriously, what is this?In the QT Thor sez wrote:You can tell Geist Thor thinks his push is silly.
You mentioned Brian no more or less than Tammy or Ceph during your posting catchup. It's skeevy to isolate one and try to paint it as an attempt to push a weak player when;
1. We're voting elsewhere.
2. We are mentioning multiple other players as much or more.
3. I wasn't even aware Brian was the easy mislynch that everyone is frothing about.
I already think your silly backside is scummy and THIS is your big push on our slot? Color me un-ruddy-impressed.
Get to justifying this gak right now.
I wanna get this one out here too. What was that gak Tammy? WHile we're at it, MC can help further justify it as well since apparently it was a major town read in their mind while looking immensely fake to me.In the QT Thor sez wrote:I don't like how Tammy is getting into a fight with half a hydra's head, and then the other head is like 'I know what Head 1 is doing, I'mma sit back!' and Tammy just keeps punching as though he said nothing...makes it feel fake to me, like she realizes she's supposed to put on a show and is doing what is expected of her.
She's fake playing to her town meta, is what I'm saying.
She even basically calmed down in like thirty seconds. It felt VERY fake.
Justify pl0x!
Links to blow ups that look of similar "Realness" to this one as a counterpoint would be awesome.
I don't recall Tammy ever blowing up like that and then going insta-calm in anything I've seen her in though.
Have...you even offered a read on this slot? Y'know, as long as you're complaining others haven't?In post 666, KoreanBBQ wrote:Your seemingly-blank-looking-null read on Casso doesn't help anyone either ♫
Um...literally the only list we'd made prior to this was one I made.In post 669, pieguyn wrote:it seems really weird considering he hadn't included pitoli in his reads list wall before then.
And it was a town list.
So...whut?
@Goodmorning - I look forward to hearing all your thoughts from your last iso read, and am prepared to wait a few days/weeks for you to catchup and then do an additional iso read, I bet it will be revealing. I'll admit what I expect to be revealed is that you are scum, but I'm a touch the pessimist at heart.
At this stage of the game I'm bored enough to pretty much vote whomever if other players would just ruddy get their act together enough to actually agree on someone to push. I think THIS SLOT might be the biggest unified push to date, and we have like two votes on us. It's pretty obnoxious.
Some people should vote Pitoli or GM or Geist or BBQ or Tammy or something. I'll be there for you, heck, I'd even yell down Nacho on Tammy and push it to L-1 if it just meant an L-1 would happen prior to page 40 of this game.
@Falcon - sheep me.
@Desp - if you don't wanna read, sheep me.
@KoreanBBQ - I think you look scummy, sheep me.
@Domo - SHEEP!
@MafiaSSK - I have cookies, sheep me.
@Tammy - I have Nachos, sheep me.
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Hey, ScumBBQ, whassup?In post 726, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Have...you even offered a read on this slot? Y'know, as long as you're complaining others haven't?In post 666, KoreanBBQ wrote:Your seemingly-blank-looking-null read on Casso doesn't help anyone either ♫-
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@Sakura - I presume you mean the "accusing someone of being agreeable while being agreeable themselves" bit?
I can't tell you Nacho's thoughts because he is generally failing, albeit maybe due to weekend, but he will probably supply them when he shows up again, and if he doesn't remind me and we'll slap him and then he will.
I find the tell...okay. I've mostly given up on hypocrisy as a tell since town are hypocritical all the time. I've seen lurkers make lurk scum cases while being town and lurky...meh. Also, to a certain extent, whether or not you might think someone else being agreeable is scummy doesn't mean you consider being agreeable a scumtell, it might just be in that situation and/or with that player. Looking at what Falcon is calling out, I certainly agree that it felt almost overly affable - certainly more so than anything I'd do during a push. I'll admit I'm not sure what over-affability you're really seeing from Falcon, but if it's there then, yeah, sure, hypocrisy.
In a general sense I've found his slot town-ish. I'd certainly vote him at this stage if he actually garnered some real traction, but I'd consider it akin to a policy lynch and would contentedly abandon it if it slowed or I got bored.
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Actually yeah, that was bigger than I thought, I am pleased.In post 744, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Seven, actually. Having been accustomed to 7 votes d1 lynch, I thought I got quicklynched for a second so I checked the votes.In post 740, Casso the King of Seals wrote:@DOMO - also, you are slowing and examinging a fearsome wagon of...four voters! GAH! Hatred!-
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I never said I loved your opening, I said I liked it.In post 748, Cabd wrote:Hey thor why don't you talk about what you loved about my opening?
I liked that you came in and attacked and prodded multiple players at a stage of the game people were being lazy and slow in getting things moving.
I also said I liked that Falcon attacked you for it, so don't start sending me any candy hearts anytime soon.
I never suggested your reads were good/bad/indifferent so don't get bent out of shape for something I didn't say.In post 749, DOMO wrote:Why would you think this? I might not be right, but I'm getting reads from my interactions with people. My reads are developing all the time and as such I feel like I'm doing the opposite of fail. That's not to say my reads are right, I'm saying I'm happy with my progress. If you're not, tough luck.
I *did* suggest it was uncool to derail as soon as it appeared some actual momentum shift and vote movement, because looking at that vote count this game desperately needs a serious wagon and a serious counter about twenty posts ago.
You have barely managed to present reads on a thirty page game while being snarky at others having the same issue. I can't imagine it should surprise you that people have issues with that.In post 753, KoreanBBQ wrote:I'm not though, because I think I'm actually quite satisfied with my play right now despite the slow starting.-
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@DOMO - I agree if he's town that there are scum on that wagon in general.
I disagree that, if you really wanted a wagon to analyze, you should have removed yourself so quickly. You should have sat there and seen who *else* got on and for what reasons, and also which people from the RVS stage of the wagon chose to stay and which fled, and also could have seen who, if anyone, stepped up to defend him and/or start a counter.
Instead you want to examine a flash that wasn't even done flashing.
To my mind it's like reading half of a book and then wanting to discuss the ending. It doesn't really make sense to me nor do I think intelligent discussion can be had at that stage.
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Allow me to clarify something for you guys.In post 760, Casso the King of Seals wrote:[sarcasm]And this is Nacho.[/sarcasm]
I sorta thought that I'd mocked him for about three straight posts and then kept going on about the same stuff for further posts would have sorta clarified that he hadn't magically shown up and taken over.-
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Why does anyone ever have anyone as 'null'?In post 765, KoreanBBQ wrote:
And there was the "aka" part with the parenthesis, which was me asking why he had you as null.In post 762, Casso the King of Seals wrote:You didn't ask for a read explanation.
You chided them for leaving someone as null and said it was unhelpful.
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I know, right?In post 767, geists wrote:
Hello Thor.In post 760, Casso the King of Seals wrote:And this is Nacho.-
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Pick a player in this game you have a null read on and describe why you have a null read on them.In post 772, KoreanBBQ wrote:Idgi
Then pick a second null read and do the same.
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Interesting things:
I would love to have this dance, Generic.In post 437, Generic wrote:On this, I'm trying to get nacho head to engage with me cos I've had arguements with him when he's been town and scum but he dismissed an interaction in tv our of catching up and then got arguing with geists.
This is good.In post 471, Brian Skies wrote:It's antitown because it works in his favor if he's scum, which you pretty much outlined. You know you're a popular target for a NK. If he's scum, then why wouldn't he bribe you into an early truce so he can get rid of you before he's put into any real danger?
I know I've said this before, but to me, Mafia is a game about distrust and deceit. Treating someone as functionally conftown for X amount of time without actually sorting them just rubs me the wrong way. You also know that I don't like buddying, so I don't know where this is coming from.
So, the original reason why I offered the deal to buldermar and buldermar specifically is because buldermar struck me as the type of player who wouldn't back off from a challenge when it didn't directly conflict with his win condition. One of the markers of having good scumplay is the freedom to kill a variety of threats. When there is a player who has such a meta angle on you that you HAVE to kill them, then this is a giant glaring flaw in your play that needs serious, serious work. When a townie makes this offer to a scum player, it's an attack on ego, not on honor. I appreciated the offer because I am not a significant meta threat to F-16 scum. I can read him, but the rift between his town game and his scum game is large enough where I'm not even close to a person with meta authority on him and he realizes that. But he's been getting closer to figuring me out, just needs time to do it. The offer gives him that time. Do you see where I'm coming from with this?
Explained above!In post 568, BROseidon wrote:If he's scum, why would you expect him to follow through on this?
It wouldn't be a scumwin. The next thing on my mafia bucket list is to break your streak when we are on different sides.In post 568, BROseidon wrote:Why would you want a scumwin?
You're closer to naive than crazy.
What impresses me about your scumplay is that you always manage to find something to do early on and generally don't have slow starts. Large Normal? Nope. Touhou? Nope. Xeno1? Nope. Here, you begin with a strong townread and then go "welp, I have no idea what's what" which seemed genuine because I know you have no problem faking those things as scum.In post 568, BROseidon wrote:I don't like how you're hiding behind a single comment to justify reading me, then throwing out some high-level "What he's not doing indicates he's town" reasoning without substantiating what those markers are. It makes it look like you're setting up for a potential "gotcha" moment on me that people'll trust because of your authority/experience with me.
I found things to be incredibly lacking in the "things happening" department and got bored about 10 pages ago.-
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I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.In post 1005, Generic wrote:Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.
However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...-
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Thor signs his posts or makes it extraordinarily obvious it is him.In post 1015, Generic wrote:
Well how am I supposed to fucking know? You don't sign your posts so therefore you are treated as a single entity.In post 1007, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
I have made essentially two posts this game, Generic.In post 1005, Generic wrote:Nacho, I'm afraid at present that dance is on hold, because I hadn't factored in that a large game will mean more arguements... For me.
However, one thing I would like to pull you up on, you have barely commented on anything I have posted in this game, and that sing like you at all. What gives? Can't imagine the all mighty nachomamma is scared of me...
I have noticed a few times players fluff posting their guesses on who is posting in the hydra, it has been noted as I go.-
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He seems like a good choice for common ground. Does Nati have a read on him yet?In post 1014, geists wrote:How do you feel about SSK?-
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Thor townread you by #305 because he felt you were the only person to do something significant in the game so far because you had a suspect, called him scum, and pushed it. No one else did that by that point in the game.In post 1020, Stuffed Crust wrote:OK HERE GOES THE CATCHUP~~~
Can you explain what you mean here?In post 159, MC Maraca wrote:
IF bro is scum, he's playing nothing like his 165 or xenoblade self. He's also put himself into a position where he's dead meat if he's scum.In post 146, Stuffed Crust wrote:bro is scum guys let's go!
stop pretending like you didn't know it was me, and not varsoon.In post 284, KoreanBBQ wrote:So my brain feels like its half broken so
How many posts of SC was Varsoon?
If there was more than one of his posts, im voting him.
generic is town i think. I'm happy to say that for now. #294 sealed it for me.
@Casso- thor in particular here, why did you townread us early on in 306?
I think it's strange given your #335. whats up with that?In post 358, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?
this is all i can manage because this fucking computer is horrendously slow. like it's being run by fucking hamsters.
this was Mac. have a nice day. x
My #335 was probably expressing concern with how quickly BRO had crept up in a couple of townreads, but I didn't see anything big in BRO ISO until he said he had no idea what he was doing. That seemed unlikely based on NY whatever and touhou.-
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I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be directionless at this point in the game. There has been a lot of town pieces of the game, but not a lot of missteps by scum. Its also taken a while for the town block to actually get formed this game.In post 1025, geists wrote:I'm feeling pretty nervous, myself, for someone who's pretty happy with my townbloc so far.
I don't like the BBQ wagon. I don't like Nacho. We're 40 pages in and he doesn't know who he wants to push instead.-
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I don't know what he was trying to say with that but I'm not exactly optimistic about catching muffin scum based on a scum slip.In post 1076, pieguyn wrote:so how do you all like the chance zmuffin inadvertently scumslipped while trying to troll me?
bc I've still been thinking about this
and how if you think about it long enough it makes no sense at all if zmuffin is really town. if he's town then it'll be easier for me if I townread him regardless of if I'm town or scum. what the hellIn post 1009, zMuffinMan wrote:depends if you're town-
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I didn't actually catch onto the same thing as you did, it seems.In post 1089, BROseidon wrote:
This implies that you picked up on the same thing that I did and think it's fake.In post 1001, Casso the King of Seals wrote:You're closer to naive than crazy.
Why would scum-cabd open the way he did. There's enough of us here that more than one or two of us would catch what he did, so if he's scum faking it would be glaringly obvious later.-
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I had the opposite reaction to this.
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