Because she hates me.
NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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Full names if you don't mind mr goodmorning, we aren't that familiar yet sweet cheeks
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In post 24, goodmorning wrote:If you think I'd give a shit you'd be disappointed.
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I've only played with GIF, and I would hope he doesn't hate me after I dragged his sorry ass over the finish line when we were scum together and he got everyone to mislynch me in the next one.
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How's who?In post 36, KoreanBBQ wrote:
How is she?In post 34, Generic wrote:And besides, tammy hates me like an ex girlfriend hates you... You can never reach that level of hate.
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In post 60, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Cephrir, agreed on Giests although the post that seemed genuinely at ease to me was the post after you townread them. Not sure about Generic yet. I read the Cash Cabd game before and I agree, both with his reaction sounding like he was trying too hard and it not fitting in with his scum-meta. We can discuss specifics later on.
Tammy seems disappointed in drawing scum. Let's lynch Tammy.
VOTE: Tammy
You still mad at me over big brother?
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We are kindred spirits then dearIn post 73, Tammy wrote:
How many times do I have to tell you I don't hate you.
I've gotten aggravated with you, but if you can find one person on this site I haven't gotten aggravated with, I'll bake you cookies. ( that kinda makes me feel like a bitch saying that actually whenI'm just really a fucking sweetheart who has a tendency to get a tad emotional)
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In post 86, MC Maraca wrote:Official town block application form v1
I,the generic oneam applying to MC Maraca's AwesomeSauce Town Block. My townreads are:
tammy, geists
I think I am a good fit for the townblock becausemara knows me better than anyone on mafiascum
Attached is my payment,keeping maras dark secrets from before mafia scum quietmade payable to MC Maraca.-
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The Tammy read relates to a reaction test I gave and her genuine frustration over it rather than to try and go with the flow gave me the initial town read I have.In post 202, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:ffery, what are your reads on Cabd, Brian, and Pitoli?
Tammy, Brian is not a new player. How did you get that impression?
Generic, can you explain your townread on Geists and Tammy?
Heists is a gut read based on a smart opening which when lightly challenged he has been calm and consistent on tone. And there are glimpses of behind the scenes work being done for the game. Intriguing slot, so I townread them.
In post 190, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am not done reading Xenoblade or 165.
Why are you feelng good about these three f16?In post 188, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am feeling pretty good about Cabd being town, and to a lesser extent Geists, Tammy, and Cephrir.
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Btw f16, this post has given me a pause on my geists read. I don't like this post at all.In post 219, geists wrote:
Who is this?In post 217, KoreanBBQ wrote:How long do you usually take to read me?
If Nero's doing his usual things I can read him pretty quickly. I've never played with scum-Nero, though, so when I feel like his game doesn't seem quite the usual, I default to null or null/scum until the read finally firms up. It will be interesting to finally play a game where he's scum one of these days.
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In post 280, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:In post 269, Generic wrote:The Tammy read relates to a reaction test I gave and her genuine frustration over it rather than to try and go with the flow gave me the initial town read I have.
Heists is a gut read based on a smart opening which when lightly challenged he has been calm and consistent on tone. And there are glimpses of behind the scenes work being done for the game. Intriguing slot, so I townread them.
Why are you feeling good about these three f16?In post 188, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am feeling pretty good about Cabd being town, and to a lesser extent Geists, Tammy, and Cephrir. Fair warning, I am going to gatecrash all the in-thread Mason parties and Tammy is going to be my best buddy that I bring along.
All of them are mostly based on gut.
MC Maraca: Cabd's posts just felt like town. Marangal's latest posts are helping to firm up my read more.
Geists: I liked Nat's reaction to Cephrir's townread on him. I also thought that ffery waffling on her read on me was townish, and I like that we are on the same page regarding Cabd.
Cephrir: I felt in sync with Cephrir for the most part. His initial scumread on Brian followed shortly with a realization that this was dissimilar to his scumgame in Cash Cabd seemed genuine.
Tammy: Tammy's posts felt natural and unforced. Her demeanor reminded me of Mini 1472 but not to the same extent. I will probably go more in-depth once we generate more information in this game.
What didn't you like about Geists's 219?
Glad you asked, and for a reason I will not go into right now you are also now in my town block.
What i dislike about that post is that he completely negates BOTH reads on the two heads.
Starts with a comment that he can read nero quickly - then negates that with a comment that he has never seen nero as scum, then that he sits him in the null waiting room until he gets a proper read on him. So neither a quick read then nor a read that can be held up to great scrutiny since he has never seen neros scum game.
Then moves on to GIF who again he apparently reads quickly - then COMPLETELY negates that by pointing out he often townreads him when he is scum.
That post is literally nothing. You cant make a claim to be able to read two people and then immediately caveat that with a list of contradictions.
And the follow up to my comment about not liking it is horrible, basically boils down to 'im playing to my town meta, ask those currently townreading me'.
Geists has gone from a decent town read to my opening suspicion. And all through a few questions being posed to them and a bit of scrutiny.
Mara, im here but im guessing you may not be. Don't panic, you and i will get to do our day 1 dance soon enough :p-
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I don't get what you are talking about here.In post 286, geists wrote:For the record, Generic, I think youre attributing my bravado to fferyllt's analysis. I've been pretty much AWOL at this point this game.
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Which moment? the scum win or the mislynch? :pIn post 287, KoreanBBQ wrote:
I enjoyed every second of that moment!In post 33, Generic wrote:I've only played with GIF, and I would hope he doesn't hate me after I dragged his sorry ass over the finish line when we were scum together and he got everyone to mislynch me in the next one.
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When did i separate you guys out again?In post 292, geists wrote:Yeah and I'm saying that I think you're appointing my(Natirasha) worldview to her(fferyllt) posting. We've not spoken at all about this game at this juncture.
Your hydra posted a nothing post about the reading of the heads of koreanBBQ. That post was fluff. I expressed concerns on it and your hydra posted that i need an intro into ffery-posting...
You guys don't sign your posts so i take the comments as they are. One of you fluff posted a nothing comment on reading koreanBBQ then qualified my concerns with my lack of reading ffery posts without ever asking what i had issues with.
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I can relate on the large game thing, I am trying to look at people in patches because otherwise there are too many pockets if conversations on the go.In post 312, BROseidon wrote:Also I'm lost right now beyond masoning* with MC and townreading generic.
I'm bad at larges :/
*we're not actually masons.
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I don't know how it works in your head geists, but when I present a concern, explain that concern and vote i don't expect it to be me to continue engaging.In post 320, geists wrote:Hey generic, I'm a little pissed that you called me out last night, I acknowledged and was ready to engage, and your next post in the game does not address your concerns with me.
You teammate handwaved me away with a 'wasn't me posting' comment, and didn't even try to offer a defence, and when you (assume this is ffery) do pop in you simply drop a 'hi' expecting me to be the one doing all the comments?
My issues are there to read, make your comments on that, then i will happily come back to you. Im looking for scum here, not waiting for people to come up with a good enough excuse to explain away behaviour that doesn't sit right with me. And given the issues ive had elsewhere i am trying me best to actually keep a focus on analysing players and forming opinions rather than random ranting (and RL has improved which helps).-
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In post 322, geists wrote:You invoked me, and I'm here. I assumed you wanted back and forth, not a wall.
1. The early pages of a game make me think of a pack of dogs checking each other out, sniffing butts, etc. They hold still for a moment, and then either they bare teeth and growl, or the ears go back and they're friends. This game, for whatever reason, I feel like I'm first in line to be checked out and I'm putting up with it in fairly good humor so far. I stress "so far" because overall my mood this weekend is pretty stormy, and that's going to bleed into most if not all of my games.
2. I''m not sure if it was Nero or GiF who asked the question about how quickly I read him. I kinda think Nero. The stuff of reads comes under my personal heading of "arms race". Unless I am actually making a case for someone being town or scum, I don't get very specific about exactly how easy players are to read or specifically what I"m looking for in players I am familiar with.
3. Also, both players know me and know how accurate my reads have been historically. GiF knows me quite well, given the number of games we've played, including our hydra games. I'm not giving him anything more than I must in terms of how to go about getting townreads from me. He's already too good at it. There are a couple of recent games where I townread him when he was scum. Though in one, he was hydraing with Nacho, and the townread had a pretty high nacho component. :/
4. Anyway. Any player who asks me in the early game how easy they are to read is going to get handwaving and bullshit when I'm town. When I'm scum, I might actually make something plausible up because it's the easier, less attention-attracting path.
1. You are preaching to the choir on that one, I am mr emotional play, ask natirasha on that front. So if you feel like getting snarky with me go ahead, just be prepared for me to bring similar back if im on a dark cloud day :p
2. OK, that sort of explains the vagueness of the response. I would point out I agree at such an early stage in the game full reads on people are pointless and you can only get gut reads or leanings at best (even worse that most of the day so far has been RVS)... It was however only a question of how quickly you read them rather than what your read currently was so you could have just left it at 'fairly quickly, will tell you when I have something of note on you'.
3. Again this is good to know and seems from the heart, but completely irrelevant to the situation you were answering at the time. These guys who know how accurate you have been in the past have asked you how quickly you read them and you didn't just answer that but create a series of get outs that covers you in case you are put on the spot over it later.
4. THIS is closer to an actual explanation, and does begin to explain the comments of others pointing to my lack of play time with yourself... Why bother with 2 and 3 when 1 and 4 would have covered a starting point to our discussion?
Laughably I actually am starting to think you ffery and I have similar mindsets with regards to mafia games and how we approach them/post in them... I wonder if that will translate into a better understanding of eachothers mindset as we move forwards.
Answer me this as best as you can. If I had posted the following would you have raised an eyebrow:
"I think I can get a good read on Mara because I have played many games with her and generally can tell her alignment withing the first day or so... but then again I usually misread her scum games as town."
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Why do you think my grammar 90% of the time is shocking? Im playing the majority of the time off the iphone.
Anyway, since this is the 27 game in a row we have both signed up for you whats your opening feelings on our Mara? You and I fell out over the reading of her in a previous game so im wondering if we are heading for something similar here... I will get my kickboxing gear on if necessary-
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Oh you lot make me chuckle.In post 415, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Tammy, glad you are here. I thought you left me hanging after you said we could be best buddies
I want to talk about Generic. I had a townread on him based on his push of Geists but ffery's point about him being too agreeable resonated with me quite a bit. I went back through BB:HoH to see if he was too agreeable there and I noticed that he was during the last day. I am not sure if you followed it after you got nk'ed. Generic as scum was agreeing with everything Toogeloo and I said, saying we had good points, and consistently going back and forth on us although he stayed with Toog-town, me-scum for the most part except the end. I also read the VisCon:Wingate Mansion which you played where he was town. His initial attack on Marangal followed by his defense when Nacho made a case on him looked a lot different from his backing off here which has me concerned.
Do you have a read on Generic yet? If so, what?
Generic, I'd like to know your current read on Geists and your read on MC Maraca.
Someone I'm voting for plants a seed of suspicion about me to discredit my issue with them and you run with it.
For an answer to how 'agreeable' with ffery I am, look where my vote STILL sits. Just because I thought they had competently answered my concern doesn't mean they negate the other head washing their hands of the issue and ffery stalling for time with me.
And the point I made about similar mindsets wasn't agreeability (is that a compound word?) but a marker that I'm not gonna have any of you guys hand wave me away with a "you just aren't used to the way ffery posts".
Do don't start bullshitting me please with that cos I make my own reads and am not gonna have any of you dismiss others on meta.
Oh and it didn't go unnoticed that ffery claimed ignorance of her meta even though she initially tried to use it as an excuse at me. I just don't volunteer EVERYTHING I'm using in my analysi.
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On this, I'm trying to get nacho head to engage with me cos I've had arguements with him when he's been town and scum but he dismissed an interaction in tv our of catching up and then got arguing with geists.In post 418, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ Generic, read on Casso would be cool as well.
He's null to me until I can properly get involved with him but the opening seemed typically nacho. I can't comment on Thor but as an opening analysis of the hydra they haven't shied away from opinion nor responding to anyone.
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Well I'm here now, feel free to discuss with me.In post 436, MC Maraca wrote:
as silly as it sounds, this kinda bothered meIn post 92, Generic wrote:When does mara take over? Cos I'm left cold by cabd...
Cos that day 1 onslaught has begun I see :p I got geists, f16, koreanbbq, and you all wanting a piece, lets do this before I start ranting
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Remember wingate?
I had your posts to work off for an early read. I immediately got bullied off the point cos you are mafiascums darling.
Here I only had cabd posting, and I wanted to draw you out as I want to read you as someone you know I can get a good read on as I proved. Cabd I haven't got my head around so it's a waste to me (he we the comment leaving me cold). Tactically you wanted me to reach out to you when you were scum there and so I thought I would try a new tact to engage with you and avoid being ganged up on.
Full fucking rant time but is it any wonder I just have fuck about day 1st here? When I try little tactics and game plans to draw people out or put people in positions several of you jump all over it and fucking force me to explain what I'm doing, completely fucking negating the point!
You all seem far more interested in going 'that's so player x from game y'than actually getting dialogue going.
And without content we just have the fucking about which several of you dismiss as 'oh that's just player A, you haven't hit used to them yet'... Pathetic.
No wonder I have found winning as scum around here easier than town, you guys are amazing sometimes.
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Fuck off mara. I hung around for 40 minutes or so and then had kids to feed and get ready, so don't give me the bullshit of running away when the moment I even start interactin with you on more than pleasantries you impose a half hour break...In post 459, MC Maraca wrote:But, I can't read you, Generic, if all you do is run away when I try to put even the slightest amount of pressure on you to try and firm up my reads when they aren't as strong as I want them to be.
Does it take that long to properly compose and edit a response I'm not gonna see through easily?
See we can all twist things, difference is I respect the fact you might actually be busy. So we are done today after you just pulled that shit before I say something you regret.-
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My thoughts on the interaction between Mara and tammy.
Tammy is still town, her arogant 'I'm obvtown' aside I love her anger. Mara I am not a fan of cabd popping in at a convenient point to start excusing what you were doing and the resolution to the conflict felt very odd.
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I liked the attack because it put casso on the spot. What I didn't like was the speed at which it broke down and they backed off.
I don't know an awful lot about Thor, but I do know people like nacho need to be kept cornered if you have a suspicion to ensure they don't climb back into the ascendency. But since you like geists play so far I'm interested to know what you thought about how they handled it.-
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I think a strong read would have warranted a held vote. But I'm not penalising them for pulling out, just think they should hold strong when they have a strong suspicion. My vote isn't likely to move until I am satisfied I have got them wrong or someone more suspicious pings my interest. As I said before I didn't like their stoking the fire in the mara and tammy spat.-
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I never requested your response Geist, I agree that the best thing to do is to read you fluidly as we go.In post 545, geists wrote:
That's fine. But don't expect me to jump and address it every time you make a snide comment about what you don't like about my play. I know my motivations. I am confident that my motivations and in-thread behaviors will be aligned. And I am also confident that my alignment will become obvious as the data I put into the thread mounts up. It's my responsibility to provide data for other players to analyse as much as it is to meet my wincon.In post 544, Generic wrote:I think a strong read would have warranted a held vote. But I'm not penalising them for pulling out, just think they should hold strong when they have a strong suspicion. My vote isn't likely to move until I am satisfied I have got them wrong or someone more suspicious pings my interest. As I said before I didn't like their stoking the fire in the mara and tammy spat.
If you're town, your responsibility to read me accurately based on that data.
But I don't see it as snide when mod arguement between two people you drop a little gasoline on Tammys fire. Had you actually expanded on it or engaged her yourself I wouldn't have felt it to be off but you didn't.
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Have I misinterpreted the point to this post?
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My only experience of scum nacho is newbie 1391 (I think that's the number). In that he was under pressure early in day 1, having pushed on both his teammate and me before moving on to lower hanging fruit.
But the biggest tell was how disinterested he became as we closed in on him. He would disappear for long stretches pushin every decision to deadline.
So this is why I'm very interested in the points being raised, cos it's not quite what I had experienced.
It's why I haven't commented negatively on f16s proposal to nacho of the truce cos for me he's one of those players that becomes apparent scum as time goes on.
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In post 596, DOMO wrote:
Did it take 16 minutes for you to read the thread and develop reads? Are you Number Jonny Five? It took me an hour to scan to page ten before I got bored and went to bed. I still haven't read between 10 and last page.In post 593, MafiaSSK wrote:WHAT IS UPPPP? SSK HERE REPLACING ROFLWAFFLE.
Geists=Town
Generic=Town
F-16=Town
Tammy=Uber Town
Bro=Maybe Scum
MC=Maybe Scum
Pitoli=maybe scum
BBQ=scum
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Lol, you beat me to it.
I'm always wary of someone who town reads me so readily day 1, but townreads me in 16 minutes? That's some record.
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Im only disappointed that you felt the need to give a read at all.
Good find on that post though, made me chuckle as I don't even remember doing it. I'm borderline autistic do at times just vomit information into a post. I'm actually proud of myself that after a couple of god awful runs elsewhere I have gone full mental in this yet.
But that's by the by. I was generally reaffirming a point you already started, but you took me at my word and went for it anyway :p
If you want a serious project I would love for you to get your teeth into a mara/cabd read.-
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